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  • Sagar Malik
    KARNAL: In a landmark judgement in a Haryana honour killing case, a court here on Tuesday awarded capital punishment to five persons and life sentence to one
    Message 1 of 20 , Apr 12, 2010
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      KARNAL: In a landmark judgement in a Haryana honour killing case, a court here on Tuesday awarded capital punishment to five persons and life sentence to one for murdering a couple on the diktats of a self-styled community panchayat for marrying against societal norms. 

      Additional District and Sessions Judge Vani Gopal Sharma pronounced the sentence after reserving the judgement in the case on Monday. The prosecution had termed the case as the "rarest of the rare" and pleaded for capital punishment to the six convicts for killing Manoj (23) and Babli (19), who hailed from Karora village in Kaithal district and had got married on May 18, 2007. 

      Last Thursday, the court had convicted them for murdering the couple of the same 'gotra' (sub-caste) in 2007. Another person was held guilty of abduction and the quantum of punishment in his case was also reserved. It is the first case in which the boy's family had moved court against the honour killing after the 'khap' panchayat (caste-based council) had ruled against the couple's marriage. 

      Those sentenced to death are the girl's brother Suresh, uncles Rajender and Baru Ram and her cousins Gurdev and Satish besides leader of the panchayat Ganga Raj who was given life imprisonment. A driver Mandeep Singh was convicted of kidnapping and awarded a seven year prison term. 

      Public prosecutor Sunil Rana described the court verdict as landmark judgement as khap panchayats "are acting against the law. They are taking law into their own hands and despite protection of the courts, innocent couples are being murdered".



      Thanks & Regards
      Sagar Malik
    • adam raman
      In some cases Arya samaj mandirs are playing negative role. Such boys & girls take shelters in Arya samaj mandirs where they get married. You see such Arya
      Message 2 of 20 , Apr 13, 2010
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        In some cases Arya samaj mandirs are playing negative role.
        Such boys & girls take shelters in Arya samaj mandirs where they get married.
        You see such Arya samaj organisations are controlled by non-jats, Jats are
        only followers.


        --- On Mon, 12/4/10, Sagar Malik <sagarmalik@...> wrote:

        > From: Sagar Malik <sagarmalik@...>
        > Subject: [JatHistory] Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing
        > To: "JH grp" <JatHistory@yahoogroups.com>
        > Date: Monday, 12 April, 2010, 6:35 PM
        >

        > KARNAL: In a landmark judgement in a Haryana honour
        > killing case, a court here on Tuesday awarded capital
        > punishment to five persons and life sentence to one for
        > murdering a couple on the diktats of a self-styled community
        > panchayat for marrying against societal norms. 
        >
        >
        >
        > Additional District and Sessions Judge Vani Gopal Sharma
        > pronounced the sentence after reserving the judgement in the
        > case on Monday. The prosecution had termed the case as the
        > "rarest of the rare" and pleaded for capital
        > punishment to the six convicts for killing Manoj (23) and
        > Babli (19), who hailed from Karora village in Kaithal
        > district and had got married on May 18, 2007. 
        >
        >
        >
        > Last Thursday, the court had convicted them for murdering
        > the couple of the same 'gotra' (sub-caste) in 2007.
        > Another person was held guilty of abduction and the quantum
        > of punishment in his case was also reserved. It is the first
        > case in which the boy's family had moved court against
        > the honour killing after the 'khap' panchayat
        > (caste-based council) had ruled against the couple's
        > marriage. 
        >
        >
        >
        > Those sentenced to death are the girl's brother Suresh,
        > uncles Rajender and Baru Ram and her cousins Gurdev and
        > Satish besides leader of the panchayat Ganga Raj who was
        > given life imprisonment. A driver Mandeep Singh was
        > convicted of kidnapping and awarded a seven year prison
        > term. 
        >
        >
        >
        > Public prosecutor Sunil Rana described the court verdict as
        > landmark judgement as khap panchayats "are acting
        > against the law. They are taking law into their own hands
        > and despite protection of the courts, innocent couples are
        > being murdered".
        >
        >
        >
        > http://timesofindia
        > .indiatimes. com/india/ Khap-Panchyat- Death-sentence-
        > for-5-in- Haryana-honour- killing/articles how/5743038.
        > cms
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        > Thanks & Regards
        > Sagar Malik
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      • Vinay Aggarwal
        Hi All, I truely support Jat Khap ruling that from Mother & Father s gotra marriages are not allowed. This should be respected by society including court & if
        Message 3 of 20 , Apr 13, 2010
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          Hi All,

          I truely support Jat Khap ruling that from Mother & Father's gotra marriages are not allowed. This should be respected by society including court & if required then constitutional amendment should be done......

          Brother/ Sister marriage is a sin & only Muslim can allow that.

          Rgds, Vinay

          --- On Tue, 4/13/10, adam raman <adamraman@...> wrote:

          From: adam raman <adamraman@...>
          Subject: Re: [JatHistory] Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing
          To: JatHistory@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 4:57 PM

          In some cases Arya samaj mandirs are playing negative role.
          Such boys & girls take shelters in Arya samaj mandirs where they get married.
          You see such Arya samaj organisations are controlled by non-jats, Jats are
          only followers.


          --- On Mon, 12/4/10, Sagar Malik <sagarmalik@...> wrote:

          > From: Sagar Malik <sagarmalik@...>
          > Subject: [JatHistory] Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing
          > To: "JH grp" <JatHistory@yahoogroups.com>
          > Date: Monday, 12 April, 2010, 6:35 PM
          >
               
          >       KARNAL: In a landmark judgement in a Haryana honour
          > killing case, a court here on Tuesday awarded capital
          > punishment to five persons and life sentence to one for
          > murdering a couple on the diktats of a self-styled community
          > panchayat for marrying against societal norms. 
          >
          >
          >
          > Additional District and Sessions Judge Vani Gopal Sharma
          > pronounced the sentence after reserving the judgement in the
          > case on Monday. The prosecution had termed the case as the
          > "rarest of the rare" and pleaded for capital
          > punishment to the six convicts for killing Manoj (23) and
          > Babli (19), who hailed from Karora village in Kaithal
          > district and had got married on May 18, 2007. 
          >
          >
          >
          > Last Thursday, the court had convicted them for murdering
          > the couple of the same 'gotra' (sub-caste) in 2007.
          > Another person was held guilty of abduction and the quantum
          > of punishment in his case was also reserved. It is the first
          > case in which the boy's family had moved court against
          > the honour killing after the 'khap' panchayat
          > (caste-based council) had ruled against the couple's
          > marriage. 
          >
          >
          >
          > Those sentenced to death are the girl's brother Suresh,
          > uncles Rajender and Baru Ram and her cousins Gurdev and
          > Satish besides leader of the panchayat Ganga Raj who was
          > given life imprisonment. A driver Mandeep Singh was
          > convicted of kidnapping and awarded a seven year prison
          > term. 
          >
          >
          >
          > Public prosecutor Sunil Rana described the court verdict as
          > landmark judgement as khap panchayats "are acting
          > against the law. They are taking law into their own hands
          > and despite protection of the courts, innocent couples are
          > being murdered".
          >
          >
          >
          > http://timesofindia
          > .indiatimes. com/india/ Khap-Panchyat- Death-sentence-
          > for-5-in- Haryana-honour- killing/articles how/5743038.
          > cms
          >
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          > Thanks & Regards
          > Sagar Malik
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        • Singh - Jat
          Fellow Jats, Is this statement true that Arya Samaji mandirs are controlled by non-Jats? ________________________________ From: adam raman
          Message 4 of 20 , Apr 13, 2010
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            Fellow Jats,

            Is  this statement true that Arya Samaji mandirs are controlled by non-Jats?



            From: adam raman <adamraman@...>
            To: JatHistory@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Tue, April 13, 2010 7:27:37 AM
            Subject: Re: [JatHistory] Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing

             

            In some cases Arya samaj mandirs are playing negative role.
            Such boys & girls take shelters in Arya samaj mandirs where they get married.
            You see such Arya samaj organisations are controlled by non-jats, Jats are
            only followers.

            --- On Mon, 12/4/10, Sagar Malik <sagarmalik@gmail. com> wrote:

            > From: Sagar Malik <sagarmalik@gmail. com>
            > Subject: [JatHistory] Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing
            > To: "JH grp" <JatHistory@yahoogro ups.com>
            > Date: Monday, 12 April, 2010, 6:35 PM
            >

            > KARNAL: In a landmark judgement in a Haryana honour
            > killing case, a court here on Tuesday awarded capital
            > punishment to five persons and life sentence to one for
            > murdering a couple on the diktats of a self-styled community
            > panchayat for marrying against societal norms. 
            >
            >
            >
            > Additional District and Sessions Judge Vani Gopal Sharma
            > pronounced the sentence after reserving the judgement in the
            > case on Monday. The prosecution had termed the case as the
            > "rarest of the rare" and pleaded for capital
            > punishment to the six convicts for killing Manoj (23) and
            > Babli (19), who hailed from Karora village in Kaithal
            > district and had got married on May 18, 2007. 
            >
            >
            >
            > Last Thursday, the court had convicted them for murdering
            > the couple of the same 'gotra' (sub-caste) in 2007.
            > Another person was held guilty of abduction and the quantum
            > of punishment in his case was also reserved. It is the first
            > case in which the boy's family had moved court against
            > the honour killing after the 'khap' panchayat
            > (caste-based council) had ruled against the couple's
            > marriage. 
            >
            >
            >
            > Those sentenced to death are the girl's brother Suresh,
            > uncles Rajender and Baru Ram and her cousins Gurdev and
            > Satish besides leader of the panchayat Ganga Raj who was
            > given life imprisonment. A driver Mandeep Singh was
            > convicted of kidnapping and awarded a seven year prison
            > term. 
            >
            >
            >
            > Public prosecutor Sunil Rana described the court verdict as
            > landmark judgement as khap panchayats "are acting
            > against the law. They are taking law into their own hands
            > and despite protection of the courts, innocent couples are
            > being murdered".
            >
            >
            >
            > http://timesofindia
            > .indiatimes. com/india/ Khap-Panchyat- Death-sentence-
            > for-5-in- Haryana-honour- killing/articles how/5743038.
            > cms
            >
            >
            > Thanks & Regards
            > Sagar Malik
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          • Vinay Aggarwal
            Mandirs are controlled by Pujari or max by trust. Trust could be of any one... Jat and non-Jats. I think Law is the only answer where this type of marriages
            Message 5 of 20 , Apr 13, 2010
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              Mandirs are controlled by Pujari or max by trust. Trust could be of any one... Jat and non-Jats.

              I think Law is the only answer where this type of marriages should be declared non-legal.



              --- On Tue, 4/13/10, Singh - Jat <jatrajput@...> wrote:

              From: Singh - Jat <jatrajput@...>
              Subject: Re: [JatHistory] Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing
              To: JatHistory@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 10:09 PM



              Fellow Jats,

              Is  this statement true that Arya Samaji mandirs are controlled by non-Jats?



              From: adam raman <adamraman@...>
              To: JatHistory@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Tue, April 13, 2010 7:27:37 AM
              Subject: Re: [JatHistory] Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing

               

              In some cases Arya samaj mandirs are playing negative role.
              Such boys & girls take shelters in Arya samaj mandirs where they get married.
              You see such Arya samaj organisations are controlled by non-jats, Jats are
              only followers.

              --- On Mon, 12/4/10, Sagar Malik <sagarmalik@gmail. com> wrote:

              > From: Sagar Malik <sagarmalik@gmail. com>
              > Subject: [JatHistory] Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing
              > To: "JH grp" <JatHistory@yahoogro ups.com>
              > Date: Monday, 12 April, 2010, 6:35 PM
              >

              > KARNAL: In a landmark judgement in a Haryana honour
              > killing case, a court here on Tuesday awarded capital
              > punishment to five persons and life sentence to one for
              > murdering a couple on the diktats of a self-styled community
              > panchayat for marrying against societal norms. 
              >
              >
              >
              > Additional District and Sessions Judge Vani Gopal Sharma
              > pronounced the sentence after reserving the judgement in the
              > case on Monday. The prosecution had termed the case as the
              > "rarest of the rare" and pleaded for capital
              > punishment to the six convicts for killing Manoj (23) and
              > Babli (19), who hailed from Karora village in Kaithal
              > district and had got married on May 18, 2007. 
              >
              >
              >
              > Last Thursday, the court had convicted them for murdering
              > the couple of the same 'gotra' (sub-caste) in 2007.
              > Another person was held guilty of abduction and the quantum
              > of punishment in his case was also reserved. It is the first
              > case in which the boy's family had moved court against
              > the honour killing after the 'khap' panchayat
              > (caste-based council) had ruled against the couple's
              > marriage. 
              >
              >
              >
              > Those sentenced to death are the girl's brother Suresh,
              > uncles Rajender and Baru Ram and her cousins Gurdev and
              > Satish besides leader of the panchayat Ganga Raj who was
              > given life imprisonment. A driver Mandeep Singh was
              > convicted of kidnapping and awarded a seven year prison
              > term. 
              >
              >
              >
              > Public prosecutor Sunil Rana described the court verdict as
              > landmark judgement as khap panchayats "are acting
              > against the law. They are taking law into their own hands
              > and despite protection of the courts, innocent couples are
              > being murdered".
              >
              >
              >
              > http://timesofindia
              > .indiatimes. com/india/ Khap-Panchyat- Death-sentence-
              > for-5-in- Haryana-honour- killing/articles how/5743038.
              > cms
              >
              >
              > Thanks & Regards
              > Sagar Malik
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            • adam raman
              For example see the biggest Arya samajist institution DAV....its management, institutions, temples all dominated by Punjabi khatris & Baniyaas. ... Your Mail
              Message 6 of 20 , Apr 14, 2010
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                For example see the biggest Arya samajist institution DAV....its management, institutions, temples all dominated by Punjabi khatris & Baniyaas.

                --- On Tue, 13/4/10, Singh - Jat <jatrajput@...> wrote:

                > From: Singh - Jat <jatrajput@...>
                > Subject: Re: [JatHistory] Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing
                > To: JatHistory@yahoogroups.com
                > Date: Tuesday, 13 April, 2010, 10:09 PM
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                > Fellow Jats,
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                > Is  this statement true that Arya Samaji mandirs are
                > controlled by non-Jats?
                >
                >
                > From:
                > adam raman <adamraman@yahoo. com>
                > To:
                > JatHistory@yahoogro ups.com
                > Sent: Tue,
                > April 13, 2010 7:27:37 AM
                > Subject: Re:
                > [JatHistory] Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana
                > honour
                > killing
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                > In some cases Arya samaj mandirs are playing
                > negative role.
                >
                > Such boys & girls take shelters in Arya samaj mandirs
                > where they get married.
                >
                > You see such Arya samaj organisations are controlled by
                > non-jats, Jats are
                >
                > only followers.
                >
                >
                >
                > --- On Mon, 12/4/10, Sagar Malik <sagarmalik@gmail.
                > com> wrote:
                >
                >
                >
                > > From: Sagar Malik <sagarmalik@gmail.
                > com>
                >
                > > Subject: [JatHistory] Khap Panchyat: Death sentence
                > for 5 in Haryana honour killing
                >
                > > To: "JH grp" <JatHistory@yahoogro
                > ups.com>
                >
                > > Date: Monday, 12 April, 2010, 6:35 PM
                >
                > >
                >
                >
                >
                > > KARNAL: In a landmark judgement in a Haryana
                > honour
                >
                > > killing case, a court here on Tuesday awarded capital
                >
                > > punishment to five persons and life sentence to one
                > for
                >
                > > murdering a couple on the diktats of a self-styled
                > community
                >
                > > panchayat for marrying against societal norms. 
                >
                > >
                >
                > >
                >
                > >
                >
                > > Additional District and Sessions Judge Vani Gopal
                > Sharma
                >
                > > pronounced the sentence after reserving the judgement
                > in the
                >
                > > case on Monday. The prosecution had termed the case as
                > the
                >
                > > "rarest of the rare" and pleaded for
                > capital
                >
                > > punishment to the six convicts for killing Manoj (23)
                > and
                >
                > > Babli (19), who hailed from Karora village in Kaithal
                >
                > > district and had got married on May 18, 2007. 
                >
                > >
                >
                > >
                >
                > >
                >
                > > Last Thursday, the court had convicted them for
                > murdering
                >
                > > the couple of the same 'gotra' (sub-caste) in
                > 2007.
                >
                > > Another person was held guilty of abduction and the
                > quantum
                >
                > > of punishment in his case was also reserved. It is the
                > first
                >
                > > case in which the boy's family had moved court
                > against
                >
                > > the honour killing after the 'khap' panchayat
                >
                > > (caste-based council) had ruled against the
                > couple's
                >
                > > marriage. 
                >
                > >
                >
                > >
                >
                > >
                >
                > > Those sentenced to death are the girl's brother
                > Suresh,
                >
                > > uncles Rajender and Baru Ram and her cousins Gurdev
                > and
                >
                > > Satish besides leader of the panchayat Ganga Raj who
                > was
                >
                > > given life imprisonment. A driver Mandeep Singh was
                >
                > > convicted of kidnapping and awarded a seven year
                > prison
                >
                > > term. 
                >
                > >
                >
                > >
                >
                > >
                >
                > > Public prosecutor Sunil Rana described the court
                > verdict as
                >
                > > landmark judgement as khap panchayats "are
                > acting
                >
                > > against the law. They are taking law into their own
                > hands
                >
                > > and despite protection of the courts, innocent couples
                > are
                >
                > > being murdered".
                >
                > >
                >
                > >
                >
                > >
                >
                > > http://timesofindia
                >
                > > .indiatimes. com/india/ Khap-Panchyat-
                > Death-sentence-
                >
                > > for-5-in- Haryana-honour- killing/articles
                > how/5743038.
                >
                > > cms
                >
                > >
                >
                > >
                >
                > > Thanks & Regards
                >
                > > Sagar Malik
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              • vivek
                swami dayanand in satyarth prakash had suggested to avoid marriage in 4 gotras. the vision behind the thought was clear i.e. genetic science. few fools have
                Message 7 of 20 , Apr 17, 2010
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                  swami dayanand in satyarth prakash had suggested to avoid marriage in 4 gotras.

                  the vision behind the thought was clear i.e. genetic science.


                  few fools have made aryasamaj in their homws to earn money on name of vedic marriage.

                  it must be banned immediately as aryasamaj is not marriage homes.

                  dr vivek arya

                  dr vivek



                  --- In JatHistory@yahoogroups.com, Vinay Aggarwal <vinaydsl@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Hi All,
                  > I truely support Jat Khap ruling that from Mother & Father's gotra marriages are not allowed. This should be respected by society including court & if required then constitutional amendment should be done......
                  > Brother/ Sister marriage is a sin & only Muslim can allow that.
                  > Rgds, Vinay
                  >
                  > --- On Tue, 4/13/10, adam raman <adamraman@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > From: adam raman <adamraman@...>
                  > Subject: Re: [JatHistory] Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing
                  > To: JatHistory@yahoogroups.com
                  > Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 4:57 PM
                  >
                  > In some cases Arya samaj mandirs are playing negative role.
                  > Such boys & girls take shelters in Arya samaj mandirs where they get married.
                  > You see such Arya samaj organisations are controlled by non-jats, Jats are
                  > only followers.
                  >
                  >
                  > --- On Mon, 12/4/10, Sagar Malik <sagarmalik@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > > From: Sagar Malik <sagarmalik@...>
                  > > Subject: [JatHistory] Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing
                  > > To: "JH grp" <JatHistory@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > Date: Monday, 12 April, 2010, 6:35 PM
                  > >
                  >      
                  > >       KARNAL: In a landmark judgement in a Haryana honour
                  > > killing case, a court here on Tuesday awarded capital
                  > > punishment to five persons and life sentence to one for
                  > > murdering a couple on the diktats of a self-styled community
                  > > panchayat for marrying against societal norms. 
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Additional District and Sessions Judge Vani Gopal Sharma
                  > > pronounced the sentence after reserving the judgement in the
                  > > case on Monday. The prosecution had termed the case as the
                  > > "rarest of the rare" and pleaded for capital
                  > > punishment to the six convicts for killing Manoj (23) and
                  > > Babli (19), who hailed from Karora village in Kaithal
                  > > district and had got married on May 18, 2007. 
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                  > > Last Thursday, the court had convicted them for murdering
                  > > the couple of the same 'gotra' (sub-caste) in 2007.
                  > > Another person was held guilty of abduction and the quantum
                  > > of punishment in his case was also reserved. It is the first
                  > > case in which the boy's family had moved court against
                  > > the honour killing after the 'khap' panchayat
                  > > (caste-based council) had ruled against the couple's
                  > > marriage. 
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                  > > Those sentenced to death are the girl's brother Suresh,
                  > > uncles Rajender and Baru Ram and her cousins Gurdev and
                  > > Satish besides leader of the panchayat Ganga Raj who was
                  > > given life imprisonment. A driver Mandeep Singh was
                  > > convicted of kidnapping and awarded a seven year prison
                  > > term. 
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                  > > Public prosecutor Sunil Rana described the court verdict as
                  > > landmark judgement as khap panchayats "are acting
                  > > against the law. They are taking law into their own hands
                  > > and despite protection of the courts, innocent couples are
                  > > being murdered".
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                  > > http://timesofindia
                  > > .indiatimes. com/india/ Khap-Panchyat- Death-sentence-
                  > > for-5-in- Haryana-honour- killing/articles how/5743038.
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                • Sagar Malik
                  Khap mahapanchyat protests verdict in Haryana honour killing KURUKSHETRA (HARYANA): The apex body of khaps or traditional caste councils in Haryana and
                  Message 8 of 20 , Apr 19, 2010
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                    Khap mahapanchyat protests verdict in Haryana honour killing


                    KURUKSHETRA (HARYANA): The apex body of 'khaps' or traditional caste councils in Haryana and adjoining states on Tuesday decided to extend its support to six people convicted in an honour killing case last month.

                    The khap mahapanchyat here even sought an amendment in the Hindu Marriage Act seeking a ban on marriages within the same 'gotra' or subcaste. The khap leaders decided to proceed to National Highway No. 1 linking Delhi with important north Indian cities like Chandigarh and Ambala to block the road to protest the verdict.

                    A Karnal court last month sentenced five people to death and one to life imprisonment for killing Manoj and Babli who had married despite belonging to the same gotra.

                    Defiant khap leaders are headed for a confrontation with the state government and recent rulings of the Punjab and Haryana High Court over illegal decisions announced by various khaps, specially in cases of couples from the same sub-caste who get married.

                    The Khap members have also decided to collect money to help the killers of Manoj and Babli.

                    The Khap members have said that unless the Haryana government writes a letter to the Prime Minister on their demands, they won't move from the city road.

                    Bhalle Ram, Khap Pradhan, Bainiwal, Haryana said, "We will appeal the government to amend the Hindu Marriage Act. We are giving the Indian govt an ultimatum to effect these changes. Else, we won't shy away from Parkash Singh Badal once did. We will be compelled to tear the Constitution in the same fashion."

                    Abhay Ram, Khap President, Korada, Haryana added, "We refuse to acknowledge the courts, the Constitution which encourages ruining our society."



                    Thanks & Regards
                    Sagar Malik



                    On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 7:33 PM, vivek <drvivekarya@...> wrote:
                     


                    swami dayanand in satyarth prakash had suggested to avoid marriage in 4 gotras.

                    the vision behind the thought was clear i.e. genetic science.

                    few fools have made aryasamaj in their homws to earn money on name of vedic marriage.

                    it must be banned immediately as aryasamaj is not marriage homes.

                    dr vivek arya

                    dr vivek



                    --- In JatHistory@yahoogroups.com, Vinay Aggarwal <vinaydsl@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Hi All,
                    > I truely support Jat Khap ruling that from Mother & Father's gotra marriages are not allowed. This should be respected by society including court & if required then constitutional amendment should be done......
                    > Brother/ Sister marriage is a sin & only Muslim can allow that.
                    > Rgds, Vinay
                    >
                    > --- On Tue, 4/13/10, adam raman <adamraman@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > From: adam raman <adamraman@...>

                    > Subject: Re: [JatHistory] Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing
                    > To: JatHistory@yahoogroups.com
                    > Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 4:57 PM
                    >
                    > In some cases Arya samaj mandirs are playing negative role.
                    > Such boys & girls take shelters in Arya samaj mandirs where they get married.
                    > You see such Arya samaj organisations are controlled by non-jats, Jats are
                    > only followers.
                    >
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                    > --- On Mon, 12/4/10, Sagar Malik <sagarmalik@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > > From: Sagar Malik <sagarmalik@...>

                    > > Subject: [JatHistory] Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing
                    > > To: "JH grp" <JatHistory@yahoogroups.com>
                    > > Date: Monday, 12 April, 2010, 6:35 PM
                    > >
                    >      
                    > >       KARNAL: In a landmark judgement in a Haryana honour
                    > > killing case, a court here on Tuesday awarded capital
                    > > punishment to five persons and life sentence to one for
                    > > murdering a couple on the diktats of a self-styled community
                    > > panchayat for marrying against societal norms. 
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Additional District and Sessions Judge Vani Gopal Sharma
                    > > pronounced the sentence after reserving the judgement in the
                    > > case on Monday. The prosecution had termed the case as the
                    > > "rarest of the rare" and pleaded for capital
                    > > punishment to the six convicts for killing Manoj (23) and
                    > > Babli (19), who hailed from Karora village in Kaithal
                    > > district and had got married on May 18, 2007. 
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Last Thursday, the court had convicted them for murdering
                    > > the couple of the same 'gotra' (sub-caste) in 2007.
                    > > Another person was held guilty of abduction and the quantum
                    > > of punishment in his case was also reserved. It is the first
                    > > case in which the boy's family had moved court against
                    > > the honour killing after the 'khap' panchayat
                    > > (caste-based council) had ruled against the couple's
                    > > marriage. 
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Those sentenced to death are the girl's brother Suresh,
                    > > uncles Rajender and Baru Ram and her cousins Gurdev and
                    > > Satish besides leader of the panchayat Ganga Raj who was
                    > > given life imprisonment. A driver Mandeep Singh was
                    > > convicted of kidnapping and awarded a seven year prison
                    > > term. 
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Public prosecutor Sunil Rana described the court verdict as
                    > > landmark judgement as khap panchayats "are acting
                    > > against the law. They are taking law into their own hands
                    > > and despite protection of the courts, innocent couples are
                    > > being murdered".
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > http://timesofindia
                    > > .indiatimes. com/india/ Khap-Panchyat- Death-sentence-
                    > > for-5-in- Haryana-honour- killing/articles how/5743038.
                    > > cms
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                    > > Sagar Malik
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                  • sanjay mann
                    http://navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/5832257.cms खतरनाक मोड़ पर खाप पंचायत 20 Apr 2010, 0056 hrs
                    Message 9 of 20 , Apr 20, 2010
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                      खतरनाक मोड़ पर खाप पंचायत
                      20 Apr 2010, 0056 hrs IST,नवभारत टाइम्स  
                       प्रिन्ट ईमेल Discuss शेयर सेव कमेन्टटेक्स्ट:
                      अजय गौतम 
                      पिछले कुछ समय से खाप पंचायतें सिर्फ दो वजहों से चर्चा में आई हैं। या तो किसी मुद्दे पर धरना या रास्ता जाम करने
                       के लिए या फिर किसी प्रेमी जोड़े को सजा सुनाने के लिए। इधर वे फिर ऐसे ही कुछ कारणों से चर्चा में हैं। कुरुक्षेत्र में विभिन्न जातीय खापों ने एक स्वर में मनोज-बबली हत्याकांड के दोषियों से हमदर्दी जताते हुए अदालती फैसले की न केवल निंदा की है, बल्कि फांसी की सजा पाए लोगों का केस लड़ने के लिए हर घर से 10-10 रुपये जुटाकर हाई कोर्ट जाने का फैसला किया है। 

                      इसके अलावा उन्होंने एक ही गोत्र में शादी पर पाबंदी लगाने के लिए हिंदू मैरेज एक्ट 1955 में संशोधन करने की भी मांग की है। सरकार पर दबाव बनाने के लिए हरियाणा की सभी खापें राज्य में प्रस्तावित पंचायत चुनावों के बहिष्कार का मन भी बना रही हैं। खुद को सामाजिक-सांस्कृतिक परंपराओं का प्रहरी मानने वाली ये खाप पंचायतें समानांतर न्यायिक प्रक्रिया चलाने की कोशिश में हैं। ये अनेक कानूनों, कोर्ट के फैसलों और नए रिवाजों को अपनी संस्कृति पर एक बड़ा संकट मानते हुए उनके खिलाफ लामबंद होने लगी हैं। 

                      ऋग्वेद में उल्लेख 

                      सबसे पहले खापों का उल्लेख ऋग्वेद में मिलता है। उस समय एक विशेष गोत्र के लोग मिलकर अपना एक चौधरी चुन लिया करते थे। एक खाप कई गांवों को मिलाकर बनती है और विभिन्न खापों को मिलाकर सर्वखाप बनती है। अब खाप के मुखिया का चयन चुनाव की बजाय वंशानुगत आधार पर होता है। यानी कि एक ही परिवार के लोग पीढ़ी दर पीढ़ी खाप के मुखिया बनते हैं। जातीय खापों का उद्भव भी बहुत पुराना है। मुगलों के शासन में खापों का प्रभाव इसलिए बढ़ा क्योंकि अर्थाभाव, आवागमन के साधनों की कमी और जागरूकता के अभाव के कारण गांव-समाज का हर व्यक्ति न्याय के लिए राजा के दरवाजे तक दौड़ नहीं लगा सकता था। अपने ही झगड़ों में व्यस्त उस समय के राजे-महाराजों ने गांव-गांव से आने वाले नित्य प्रति के विवादों को निपटाने का अधिकार जातीय खापों को सौंप दिया। दिल्ली के तख्त पर बैठे शहंशाहों ने इस पर अपनी स्वीकृति की मुहर लगाई। यदि आज की परिभाषा में कहा जाए तो खाप-पंचायतों को 'न्याय आपके द्वार' के रूप में लिया जा सकता है। 

                      अंग्रेजों से सहयोग 

                      अंग्रेजी शासनकाल में भी यही व्यवस्था रही। अंग्रेजों ने भारत पर शासन करने की नीति के तहत खाप मुखियाओं की पीठ पर अपना हाथ रखा। प्रथम तथा द्वितीय महायुद्ध में दिल्ली, हरियाणा, पंजाब, राजस्थान तथा पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश के गांवों से फौज में भतीर् के मामलों में अधिकांश खाप मुखियाओं ने सक्रिय योगदान दिया। गांवों से अनाज तथा दूसरी वस्तुएं सौगात के रूप में अंग्रेज शासकों को मिलीं। प्रत्युत्तर में उन शासकों ने खाप और उसके मुखियाओं को जमीन-जागीरों से नवाजा। जिलों के डिप्टी कमिश्नरों के यहां और तहसीलों में अधिकांश खापों के मुखियाओं की खास खातिर होने लगी। इन संपर्कों के जरिए गांवों से स्वतंत्रता सेनानियों की गतिविधियों की सूचनाएं भी विदेशी शासन तक आसानी से पहुंचने लगीं। इस तरह ज्यादातर खाप अंग्रेजों की दास ही बनी रहीं। हालांकि कुछ ने स्वाधीनता आंदोलन में शामिल नेताओं को भी सहयोग दिया। 

                      उस समय तक पेशावर से लेकर दिल्ली तक पंजाब था। पंजाब के क्षेत्र में मिसलों और आज के हरियाणा क्षेत्र में स्थित जातीय खापों विशेष रूप से जाट खापों ने सामाजिक क्षेत्र में उल्लेखनीय कार्य किए। यही स्थिति पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश और राजस्थान में रही। यहीं से खापों ने अपने सामाजिक दायित्व के साथ अपनी राजनीतिक शक्ति को भी पहचाना। 1967 के बाद जब भारतीय चुनावों पर जातीय रंग चढ़ने लगा, राजनीतिज्ञों ने खापों की ताकत को पहचाना और पाया कि खापों के चबूतरे पर हुक्का गुड़गुड़ाते मुखिया जो फैसला करते हैं उस पर एक नहीं बल्कि उनके अधीन 12 से लेकर 36 गांव तक अमल करते हैं। लोटे में नमक डाल कर कसम खाना बहुत बड़ी बात मानी जाने लगी। राजनेताओं ने जमकर इसका लाभ उठाना शुरू कर दिया। यहीं से खापें अपना सामाजिक दायित्व भूल कर सियासी भूमिका निभाने लगीं। राजनेताओं ने भी खाप मुखियाओं को पुरस्कृत करने में कोई कसर नहीं छोड़ी। जब उन्होंने हाथ काट दो, गला रेत दो, गांव से निकाल दो, पत्नी को बहन मान लो जैसे मध्ययुगीन फैसले दिए, राजनीतिक नेतृत्व ने मौन रहना बेहतर समझा। इससे खापों का हौसला बढ़ा। इन दिनों खापों में जो हो रहा है, यह उसी का परिणाम है। 

                      वोट की राजनीति 

                      वोट की राजनीति के तहत खापों का खूब दोहन किया गया है। हरियाणा में सोनीपत, रोहतक, हिसार, भिवानी और जींद ऐसे जिले हैं, जहां खापों का सबसे अधिक प्रभाव है। इसी तरह पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश में मेरठ, मुजफ्फरनगर, बागपत आदि में खापों का बहुत अधिक प्रभाव है। वेस्टर्न यूपी में जाटों की प्राचीन खाप इस इक्कीसवीं सदी में भी सामाजिक-राजनीतिक सत्ता का केंद्र बनी हुई है। इसकी मिसाल 84 गावों वाली बालियान खाप के प्रमुख महेंद्र सिंह टिकैत के रूप में देखी जा सकती है, जिन्होंने एक समय बहुत बड़ा किसान आंदोलन चलाकर सत्ता को हिलाकर रख दिया था। 

                      हरियाणा में महम चौबीसी भी इसी तरह की प्रभावशाली खाप है। यूं तो विभिन्न जातियों की खापें हैं लेकिन मौजूदा दौर में अगर किसी ने खाप के जरिए अपनी ताकत और हैसियत का अहसास करवाने की कोशिश की है तो वह है जाट समाज। इस इलाके के सियासी स्वरूप पर नजर डालें तो पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश और हरियाणा की राजनीति में भी जाटों का ही वर्चस्व रहा है। यानी खाप और उसके पीछे खड़ा जनमानस वोट में तब्दील होकर सत्ताओं में भागीदारी करता आया है। 

                      लेकिन इन खापों की समानांतर अदालतें और उनके मध्ययुगीन फैसले आज इंटरनेट और सूचना प्रौद्योगिकी के बल पर आगे बढ़ती दुनिया को मंजूर नहीं हैं। साफ बात है कि अगर राजनेता इन जातीय खापों को अपने वोटों की पेटी मानना छोड़ दें तो मामला पटरी पर आ सकता है। पानी सिर से निकलने को है। तत्काल कोई गंभीर कदम उठाने की जरूरत है
                       


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                      Pawan Jangra, Hisar का कहना है :सरकार को वोट की राजनीति छोड़ कर इन खाप पंचायत पर तुरंत प्रभाव से रोक लगानी चाहिए
                      [20 Apr, 2010 | 1138 hrs IST]

                      sunny, Delhi का कहना है :इन खापो को ना तो मुगलों ने और ना ही ब्रिटिश ने कभी छेड़ने की हिमाकत की तो अब ये देखने वाली बात होगी, कि क्या इस देश की सरकार में इतनी हिम्मत हैं के ये इन जट्ट खाप पंचायतो को छू सके
                      [20 Apr, 2010 | 1133 hrs IST]

                      surendra , delhi का कहना है :अमर जी. आप ये ना कहे की हरयाणा ही सबसे उत्तम राज्य है. आज भी सबसे जाहिल लोग आपके राज्य में हैं. सबसे ज़्यादा भ्रूण हत्या इसी राज्या में होती है. रेप के मामले मे भी ये राज्या सबसे आगे है. कबूतरबाज़ी भी सबसे ज़्यादा इसी राज्य से होती है. अब आपको ओलंपिक का रेकॉर्ड बता दे ध्यान चन्द नाम सुना होगा हरयाणा से नहीं थे. कर्णम मल्लेश्वरी, लिएंडर पेस ये भी ओलंपिक जीत चुके हैं और स्टार रहे हैं. सचिन नाम सुना होगा. इतना बड़ा कोई नाम नहीं होगा हरयाणा में. किसी खाप पंचायत के बल पे नहीं अपने बल पे बड़ा हुआ है. खाप पंचायतो का रेकॉर्ड देखो अंग्रेज़ों की गुलाम रही है और अब नेताओं की गुलाम है. इससे ज़्यादा कुछ नही. और बात करते हो नशे की हरयाणा का ही एक शहर है गुड़गाव जूस की शॉप से ज्यादा शराब की दुकानें हैं. हरयाणा की संस्कृति बयान करती ये दुकाने कभी आ के देख जाना.
                      [20 Apr, 2010 | 1058 hrs IST]

                      amit bahuguna, uttarakhand का कहना है :इन खापो ओर अनपड़ (निकम्मे डिग्री धारियो की नज़र में) लोगो के कारण ही आज हिन्दुस्तान जिंदा है कोई आदमी माना 1500 रुपए की साइकल (निर्जीव वास्तु) चुरा लेता है ओर पकड़ा जाता है तो हवालात की हवा ख़ाता है लेकिन किसी की पाली जिंदा लड़की को बहला फुसला लेता है भगा देता है तो वह चोरी मक्कारी असामाजिकता नहीं है क़ानून की नज़र में बल्कि कोर्ट इनाम के रूप में उसे लड़की र्भी उपलब्ध करवाता है क्या कोर्ट ने लड़की पाली थी? अब कोर्ट कहता है की लड़की की मर्ज़ी को जांच कर फ़ैसला करती हूं भले ही एक लड़की की मूर्खता से समाज की ओर लड़कियो को भी प्रेरणा मिले की भाग जाओ कुछ नही होता जो मां बाप पाल रहे थे वो तो नोकर थे लड़कियां फुसलाने वालों के? इन भगोड़ी शादी को मान्यता कोर्ट से तभी मिलनी चाहिए जब लड़की के मां बाप तय्यार हो साथ ही बिना मां बाप के कोर्ट मेरीज करने की उमर 30 वर्स होनी चाहिए जब 32 दांत आ जाए यानी अकल आ जाए जिससे लड़की फुसलाने वालो को क़ानून की की आड़ न मिले
                      [20 Apr, 2010 | 1021 hrs IST]

                      raj, hyd. का कहना है :पिता के गोत्र व माता की 6 पीढ़ी में विवाह नहीं करना चाहिए, ऐसा प्राचीन काल से नियम इस देश में था, यह एक गुणवाचक "दृष्टिकोण " है, इस लिए खाप पंचायतें इस नियम को मानती है| इसमें ग़लत क्या है? इन गोत्र समर्थको को बतलाना चाहिए?
                      [20 Apr, 2010 | 0955 hrs IST]

                      Bhartiya, Delhi का कहना है :विश्वास नहीं होता कि यह मध्यकालीन व्यवस्था आज भी भारत में चल रही है. हरियाणा भारत में होते हुए भी पाकिस्तान का स्वात रीजन ज़्यादा लगता है जहां से तालिबानी फरमान आते रहते है. खाप पंचायतों को फ़ौरन बंद करवा देना चाहिए आज के युग में इनकी कोई ज़रूरत नहीं है. ये भारत पर लगे काले धब्बे के समान हैं अमानवीय फ़ैसला देने वाली खाप पंचायतों के खिलाफ सरकार को कड़ी कार्यवाही करनी चाहिए और बड़ा आर्थिक जुर्माना भी इन पर लगाना ज़रूरी है. हमारे समाज में ऐसी न्याय व्यवस्था एक कलंक है.
                      [20 Apr, 2010 | 0834 hrs IST]

                      Amar, San Jose, Calif. का कहना है :ओये पढ़े लिखे "अनपढ़", इसीलिए कहते है की आधा सच झूठ से भी ज़्यादा ख़तरनाक होता है, ये समाजवाद की बीमारी ने सारे देश को ख़त्म करने की ठानी है, आवागमन के साधन वग़ैरह वग़ैरह सारे देश में नहीं थे , वहाँ तो कोई खाप नहीं थी, जैसे बिहार या मध्य प्रदेश, और ये एकता ही थी जिसके कारण वो अपने समाज को विदेशी हमलावरों से बचा पाए, और यही कारण है की इस राज्य में नशा नहीं है, खेलों की संस्कृति है, इस ओल्यंपिक में जीतने भी खिलाड़ी चमके "सबका" संबंध हरियाणा से रहा है, जिस परंपरा की इतनी खूबियाँ हों वो ग़लत कैसे हो सकती है, और ग़लत होती तो करोड़ों लोग स्वेच्छा से नियमों का पालन नहीं करते,
                      [20 Apr, 2010 | 0504 hrs IST]

                    • ravichaudhary2000
                      The Arya Samaj is not a Jat only Institution. Ravi Chaudhary
                      Message 10 of 20 , Apr 22, 2010
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                        The Arya Samaj is not a Jat only Institution.

                        Ravi Chaudhary

                        --- In JatHistory@yahoogroups.com, Singh - Jat <jatrajput@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Fellow Jats,
                        >
                        > Is this statement true that Arya Samaji mandirs are controlled by non-Jats?
                        >
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                      • ravichaudhary2000
                        The practice of avoiding 4 goths in marriage, pre dates Swami Dayanand. Swami Dayanand, incorporated this practice in his writings. He di not originate it Ravi
                        Message 11 of 20 , Apr 22, 2010
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                          The practice of avoiding 4 goths in marriage, pre dates Swami Dayanand.

                          Swami Dayanand, incorporated this practice in his writings.

                          He di not originate it

                          Ravi Chaudhary
                          --- In JatHistory@yahoogroups.com, "vivek" <drvivekarya@...> wrote:
                          >
                          >
                          > swami dayanand in satyarth prakash had suggested to avoid marriage in 4 gotras.
                          >
                          > the vision behind the thought was clear i.e. genetic science.
                          >
                          >
                          > few fools have made aryasamaj in their homws to earn money on name of vedic marriage.
                          >
                          > it must be banned immediately as aryasamaj is not marriage homes.
                          >
                          > dr vivek arya
                          >
                          > dr vivek
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > --- In JatHistory@yahoogroups.com, Vinay Aggarwal <vinaydsl@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Hi All,
                          > > I truely support Jat Khap ruling that from Mother & Father's gotra marriages are not allowed. This should be respected by society including court & if required then constitutional amendment should be done......
                          > > Brother/ Sister marriage is a sin & only Muslim can allow that.
                          > > Rgds, Vinay
                          > >
                          > > --- On Tue, 4/13/10, adam raman <adamraman@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > From: adam raman <adamraman@>
                          > > Subject: Re: [JatHistory] Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing
                          > > To: JatHistory@yahoogroups.com
                          > > Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 4:57 PM
                          > >
                          > > In some cases Arya samaj mandirs are playing negative role.
                          > > Such boys & girls take shelters in Arya samaj mandirs where they get married.
                          > > You see such Arya samaj organisations are controlled by non-jats, Jats are
                          > > only followers.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > --- On Mon, 12/4/10, Sagar Malik <sagarmalik@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > > From: Sagar Malik <sagarmalik@>
                          > > > Subject: [JatHistory] Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing
                          > > > To: "JH grp" <JatHistory@yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > Date: Monday, 12 April, 2010, 6:35 PM
                          > > >
                          > >      
                          > > >       KARNAL: In a landmark judgement in a Haryana honour
                          > > > killing case, a court here on Tuesday awarded capital
                          > > > punishment to five persons and life sentence to one for
                          > > > murdering a couple on the diktats of a self-styled community
                          > > > panchayat for marrying against societal norms. 
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Additional District and Sessions Judge Vani Gopal Sharma
                          > > > pronounced the sentence after reserving the judgement in the
                          > > > case on Monday. The prosecution had termed the case as the
                          > > > "rarest of the rare" and pleaded for capital
                          > > > punishment to the six convicts for killing Manoj (23) and
                          > > > Babli (19), who hailed from Karora village in Kaithal
                          > > > district and had got married on May 18, 2007. 
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Last Thursday, the court had convicted them for murdering
                          > > > the couple of the same 'gotra' (sub-caste) in 2007.
                          > > > Another person was held guilty of abduction and the quantum
                          > > > of punishment in his case was also reserved. It is the first
                          > > > case in which the boy's family had moved court against
                          > > > the honour killing after the 'khap' panchayat
                          > > > (caste-based council) had ruled against the couple's
                          > > > marriage. 
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Those sentenced to death are the girl's brother Suresh,
                          > > > uncles Rajender and Baru Ram and her cousins Gurdev and
                          > > > Satish besides leader of the panchayat Ganga Raj who was
                          > > > given life imprisonment. A driver Mandeep Singh was
                          > > > convicted of kidnapping and awarded a seven year prison
                          > > > term. 
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Public prosecutor Sunil Rana described the court verdict as
                          > > > landmark judgement as khap panchayats "are acting
                          > > > against the law. They are taking law into their own hands
                          > > > and despite protection of the courts, innocent couples are
                          > > > being murdered".
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > http://timesofindia
                          > > > .indiatimes. com/india/ Khap-Panchyat- Death-sentence-
                          > > > for-5-in- Haryana-honour- killing/articles how/5743038.
                          > > > cms
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Thanks & Regards
                          > > > Sagar Malik
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                        • ravichaudhary2000
                          Killing people over such practices is wrong. What is also wrong is that the Hindu marriage act permits same gothra marriage, ( i.e cousin marriage) which was
                          Message 12 of 20 , Apr 22, 2010
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                            Killing people over such practices is wrong.

                            What is also wrong is that the Hindu marriage act permits same gothra marriage, ( i.e cousin marriage) which was forbidden before.

                            How is this to be reconciled?

                            Ravi Chaudhary



                            --- In JatHistory@yahoogroups.com, Sagar Malik <sagarmalik@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > KARNAL: In a landmark judgement in a Haryana honour killing case, a court
                            > here on Tuesday awarded capital punishment to five persons and life sentence
                            > to one for murdering a couple on the diktats of a self-styled community
                            > panchayat for marrying against societal norms.
                            >
                            > Additional District and Sessions Judge Vani Gopal Sharma pronounced the
                            > sentence after reserving the judgement in the case on Monday. The
                            > prosecution had termed the case as the "rarest of the rare" and pleaded for
                            > capital punishment to the six convicts for killing Manoj (23) and Babli
                            > (19), who hailed from Karora village in Kaithal district and had got married
                            > on May 18, 2007.
                            >
                            > Last Thursday, the court had convicted them for murdering the couple of the
                            > same 'gotra' (sub-caste) in 2007. Another person was held guilty of
                            > abduction and the quantum of punishment in his case was also reserved. It is
                            > the first case in which the boy's family had moved court against the honour
                            > killing after the 'khap' panchayat (caste-based council) had ruled against
                            > the couple's marriage.
                            >
                            > Those sentenced to death are the girl's brother Suresh, uncles Rajender and
                            > Baru Ram and her cousins Gurdev and Satish besides leader of the panchayat
                            > Ganga Raj who was given life imprisonment. A driver Mandeep Singh was
                            > convicted of kidnapping and awarded a seven year prison term.
                            >
                            > Public prosecutor Sunil Rana described the court verdict as landmark
                            > judgement as khap panchayats "are acting against the law. They are taking
                            > law into their own hands and despite protection of the courts, innocent
                            > couples are being murdered".
                            >
                            > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Khap-Panchyat-Death-sentence-for-5-in-Haryana-honour-killing/articleshow/5743038.cms
                            >
                            > Thanks & Regards
                            > Sagar Malik
                            >
                          • A. Singh
                            ONE SHOULDN T FORGET THAT HINDU IS A GENERIC TERM AND ENCOMPASSES A WIDE VARIETY OF PEOPLE FROM DIVERSE SOCIO-ETHNIC AND CULTURAL BACKGROUNDS... COUSIN
                            Message 13 of 20 , Apr 22, 2010
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                              ONE SHOULDN'T FORGET THAT "HINDU" IS A GENERIC TERM AND ENCOMPASSES A WIDE VARIETY OF PEOPLE FROM DIVERSE SOCIO-ETHNIC AND CULTURAL BACKGROUNDS... COUSIN MARRIAGES ARE COMMONLY PRACTISED BY VARIOUS "HINDU" CASTES AND COMMUNITIES, MORE SO IN SOUTH AND CENTRAL INDIA... SO, TO SUGGEST THAT "HINDUISM" PROHIBITS COUSIN OR SAGOTRA MARRIAGES WOULD BE PRESUMPTUOUS...

                              HOWEVER, IN OUR COMMUNITY, SAGOTRA MARRIAGES ARE AKIN TO INCEST. BUT THE INDIAN LAWS DO NOT HAVE ANY SPECIAL PROVISION IN THIS REGARD. SO, LET THE KHAP PANCHAYATS PETITION THE GOVT TO SEEK CHANGES TO THIS EFFECT, AND DESIST FROM TAKING THE LAW IN THEIR OWN HANDS. IF THEY PRESENT A SOUND ARGUMENT, WILL NOT THEIR EFFORTS BEAR FRUIT?

                              --- On Thu, 22/4/10, ravichaudhary2000 <ravichaudhary2000@...> wrote:

                              From: ravichaudhary2000 <ravichaudhary2000@...>
                              Subject: [JatHistory] Re: Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing
                              To: JatHistory@yahoogroups.com
                              Date: Thursday, 22 April, 2010, 3:24 PM

                               


                              Killing people over such practices is wrong.

                              What is also wrong is that the Hindu marriage act permits same gothra marriage, ( i.e cousin marriage) which was forbidden before.

                              How is this to be reconciled?

                              Ravi Chaudhary

                              --- In JatHistory@yahoogro ups.com, Sagar Malik <sagarmalik@ ...> wrote:
                              >
                              > KARNAL: In a landmark judgement in a Haryana honour killing case, a court
                              > here on Tuesday awarded capital punishment to five persons and life sentence
                              > to one for murdering a couple on the diktats of a self-styled community
                              > panchayat for marrying against societal norms.
                              >
                              > Additional District and Sessions Judge Vani Gopal Sharma pronounced the
                              > sentence after reserving the judgement in the case on Monday. The
                              > prosecution had termed the case as the "rarest of the rare" and pleaded for
                              > capital punishment to the six convicts for killing Manoj (23) and Babli
                              > (19), who hailed from Karora village in Kaithal district and had got married
                              > on May 18, 2007.
                              >
                              > Last Thursday, the court had convicted them for murdering the couple of the
                              > same 'gotra' (sub-caste) in 2007. Another person was held guilty of
                              > abduction and the quantum of punishment in his case was also reserved. It is
                              > the first case in which the boy's family had moved court against the honour
                              > killing after the 'khap' panchayat (caste-based council) had ruled against
                              > the couple's marriage.
                              >
                              > Those sentenced to death are the girl's brother Suresh, uncles Rajender and
                              > Baru Ram and her cousins Gurdev and Satish besides leader of the panchayat
                              > Ganga Raj who was given life imprisonment. A driver Mandeep Singh was
                              > convicted of kidnapping and awarded a seven year prison term.
                              >
                              > Public prosecutor Sunil Rana described the court verdict as landmark
                              > judgement as khap panchayats "are acting against the law. They are taking
                              > law into their own hands and despite protection of the courts, innocent
                              > couples are being murdered".
                              >
                              > http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/india/ Khap-Panchyat- Death-sentence- for-5-in- Haryana-honour- killing/articles how/5743038. cms
                              >
                              > Thanks & Regards
                              > Sagar Malik
                              >


                            • sanjay mann
                              http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?265078 SOCIETY: KHAP PANCHAYATSHardcore Courts It’s selective barbarity. The rich are spared; local politics, land
                              Message 14 of 20 , Apr 23, 2010
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                                 SOCIETY: KHAP PANCHAYATS
                                Hardcore Courts
                                It’s selective barbarity. The rich are spared; local politics, land influence most cases.

                                Drawing Lines

                                • Khap panchayats are community councils
                                • In north India, they are largely a Jat institution
                                • ‘Gotra’ implies lines of descent within a caste
                                • Marriage within a gotra is taboo
                                • Khap panchayats often punish such marriages with barbaric orders

                                ***

                                Last February, when Ravinder Gehlawat of Dharana village, near Jhajjar in Haryana, married Shilpi Kadian of Sonepat, the khap panchayat (a caste council of the Jats), dominated by the Kadians (a Jat clan), violently objected to the match. It alleged that the marriage violated ages-old gotra norms and that the Gehlawats and Kadians, being from the same gotra, could be considered siblings.

                                Flashback to some 40 years ago, when two sisters of the very same village, Savitri and Prem Kadian, had married two brothers, Sardara and Attar Gehlawat, of nearby Talao. In an exchange of sorts, the sister of the Gehlawat brothers was married into the Kadians. “The khaps these days are not upholding but breaking our traditions, and for ulterior motives, making it difficult to find matches in rural Haryana,” says Dr Satish Gehlawat, son of Prem, who’s now in her seventies.

                                In Bhaini Badshapur, near Hissar, Balwant Sihag, a prosperous farmer, married Rajbala Godara of the same village in 1997, defying the strict norm of not marrying a girl of the same village. “I was able to resist the khap’s disapproval because I am socially and economically better-off,” says Sihag. “The initial murmurs against our marriage died down because I have political connections, know the law, and can give as good as I get.”

                                Poonam, Bhiwani district 
                                This brave Jat girl married a Dalit. Despite the atrocities the couple faced, they are together.

                                Similar is the case with Shruti Chaudhary, the Lok Sabha MP from Bhiwani and grand-daughter of former Haryana chief minister Bansi Lal. When she married an Assamese boy, no one objected. Other grandchildren of Bansi Lal, too, have married outside their Jat community without trouble. But when Surender, a Dalit from Kharkadi village, not far from Bansi Lal’s ancestral village, married Poonam, a Jat girl, all hell broke loose. The khap panchayat forcibly separated them and married off Poonam elsewhere. She escaped, reunited with Surender, and the couple lived underground for many months. “When we asked the elders why they didn’t object to Shruti’s marriage, they said, ‘Oh, they are big people!’” says Poonam. “Are social norms different for us and for them?”

                                Recently, a Karnal court handed down the death sentence to five and life imprisonment to one for murdering a young couple—Manoj and Babli—on the diktat of a khap panchayat. The judgement was hailed as a landmark, one that would chasten the khaps, which often punish people through public humiliation, ostracisation or by taking away land. But most khaps have reacted belligerently, raising funds (every family is to contribute Rs 10) to defend the convicts. And the khap mahapanchayat held in Kurukshetra on April 13 has, ominously, demanded an amendment to the Hindu Marriage Act to ban so-called “same gotra” marriages. The khaps have decided to block highways to Delhi unless the Haryana government writes to the prime minister about their demands.

                                That vehemence notwithstanding, the actions of khaps are arbitrary and there isn’t a hard and fast observance of the social norms they swear by. Investigations by Outlook in three of the worst affected districts—Bhiwani, Jhajjar and Rohtak—have revealed that most cases raised in recent times by khap panchayats have roots in personal feuds or attempts to grab land. Otherwise, they are related to the politics of panchayat elections. “It’s common knowledge that these kangaroo courts attack poor and helpless families and almost never target influential ones,” says Dr D.R. Chaudhary, member of the Haryana Administrative Reforms Commission and a campaigner against the atrocities of khap panchayats. “Issues are raised selectively. In most recent cases, factors other than preservation of so-called societal norms are at play.”

                                Randhir Singh, Bhiwani
                                A khap panchayat opposed his son’s ‘sagotra’ marriage. He says it was political vendetta.

                                Take the case of Samaspur village, near Bhiwani, which has been in the news for over a month now after Sri Bhagwan, of the Legah gotra and working for the Rajasthan police, married Anita Juthra, who’s from a neighbouring village. The khap panchayat objected on the grounds that even though the two are from different gotras, since they belong to a group of 12 villages that observe bhaichara, marriages between people of these villages is forbidden. Sri Bhagwan’s father Randhir Singh was ordered to either have his son’s marriage annulled or hand over his 8.5 acres of farmland to the khap panchayat and leave the village. When the couple refused, goons attacked the family’s fields and destroyed two tubewells, forcing the family to seek police protection. “There is not much substance in the khap’s stance because the couple are from far-off gotras,” says Chaudhary. “It also had no business to order seizure of the family’s land.”

                                Randhir Singh says he is the victim of the sarpanch’s vendetta because, during the panchayat elections, his family members supported a woman candidate who eventually lost. “They told me I’d be thrown out of this village. The sarpanch mobilised the khap panchayat against me and I was forced to file cases against them,” he says. Today, some 30 policemen guard his fields and family on court orders. The sarpanch was suspended for his role in the attack. Seeing that Randhir Singh had the administration’s support, it did a U-turn. It is now lobbying for a compromise. The caste matter has been conveniently forgotten.

                                Dharana, near Jhajjar, is a classic example of the double standards and dubious motives of khap panchayats. The village has families of some 12 different gotras; though inter-marriage is taboo, this has been breached several times. A ruckus was raised only in one particular marriage, that between one Ravinder and Shilpi. “Ours was a model village of peace and harmony,” says Jaivir Singh Sheoran, the sarpanch. “The matter was raked up to polarise votes ahead of the panchayat elections so that a Kadian could become the sarpanch. The village is now defamed and there’s tension between sub-castes that was never there earlier.” Capt Dilbagh Singh, who spoke for the Kadians, could give little justification for the khap panchayat’s actions. “If bhaichara norms have been broken in the past, it means nothing to us. Two wrongs do not make a right.”

                                The likes of Dilbagh Singh, powerful though they happen to be, are few in number. It’s an oft-heard refrain across rural Haryana that khaps do not really enjoy the support of the majority as their motives are quite suspect. “Just a handful of mischievous elements get together to stir passions over caste identities,” says Saroj Beniwal, a school teacher. “When the matter snowballs, the saner voices usually die out.” With falling support in the villages, the myth of a khap’s votebank is also fast collapsing. This has prompted senior politicians like Shamsher Singh Surjewala to speak out against the khap’s tyranny. Mounting pressure from the courts and the administration, coupled with the growing disillusionment of the people at the selective “protection of society norms”, has indeed put these grizzled elders on the defensive.

                                Jagmati Sangwan, president of the state unit of the Janwadi Mahila Samiti, wonders why the khaps don’t object to the recent practice of Jats marrying girls from the impoverished tribal belts of Assam, Chhattisgarh and Andhra Pradesh. “There aren’t enough girls here, so these girls, who serve the purpose of producing heirs, are kept like animals,” she says. “No khap has objected to such matches or such practices.”

                                Voices like hers are growing in rural Haryana. Most feel that with the Jat community facing serious problems in the marriage of young men because there simply aren’t enough women, it’s just a matter of time before the khap panchayats, infamous for their barbaric orders, are forced to back down. The infiltration of personal feuds and politics into the “society protection” agenda will only hasten their downfall.

                                 
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                                APR 23, 2010 01:28 AM
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                                Marriage within a tight clan leads to inbreeding and a high risk of deformed & imbecile children. This is a medical fact. The author seems to be ignorant of the science behind the traditonal taboo against marrying cousins.
                                GAURAV G
                                SILIVALLEY, UNITED STATES
                                APR 18, 2010 08:43 PM
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                                "It is ridiculous that in our country Husbands are convicted for ‘Marital Rape’, but families are lauded for ‘Honour Killing’."
                                RAJNEESH BATRA
                                NEW DELHI, INDIA
                                APR 18, 2010 02:47 PM
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                                Poor analysis.If you look at the anthropoligical history,every society and culture have the traditions of taboos and proceedures to enforce them.Most of our social and personal behaviour are governed by these uncodified social laws irrespective of caste and communities.Khaps are static and not the democratic institutios and remnants of archaic social system.Khap judgement does not reflect the whole cast/group opinion.It is sad that we take one side view of the happenings.It is the need of hour that we should condemn and check such barbaric act of killings but also devise some ways for proper social education which can change the perception of masses.
                                SUDHIR PANWAR
                                LUCKNOW, INDIA
                                APR 18, 2010 02:44 AM
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                                sagotra marriages might be correct 1000 years ago but now it is completely irrelevnt. sagotra meant marrying to cousins. this might be allowed in islam but it is not accepteble in hinduism and in christians. gotra represents family line. over the years families have increased thousand times and this is the reason gotra becomes irrlevent. 

                                the shankaracharyas sould come out against this and allow sagotra marriages. end of the day hinduism moves with time as against islam which is mired in lost time.
                                NAMO4
                                LONDON, UNITED KINGDOM





                                From: A. Singh <pratyuttar13@...>
                                To: JatHistory@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Fri, 23 April, 2010 1:07:49 AM
                                Subject: Re: [JatHistory] Re: Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing

                                 

                                ONE SHOULDN'T FORGET THAT "HINDU" IS A GENERIC TERM AND ENCOMPASSES A WIDE VARIETY OF PEOPLE FROM DIVERSE SOCIO-ETHNIC AND CULTURAL BACKGROUNDS. .. COUSIN MARRIAGES ARE COMMONLY PRACTISED BY VARIOUS "HINDU" CASTES AND COMMUNITIES, MORE SO IN SOUTH AND CENTRAL INDIA... SO, TO SUGGEST THAT "HINDUISM" PROHIBITS COUSIN OR SAGOTRA MARRIAGES WOULD BE PRESUMPTUOUS. ..

                                HOWEVER, IN OUR COMMUNITY, SAGOTRA MARRIAGES ARE AKIN TO INCEST. BUT THE INDIAN LAWS DO NOT HAVE ANY SPECIAL PROVISION IN THIS REGARD. SO, LET THE KHAP PANCHAYATS PETITION THE GOVT TO SEEK CHANGES TO THIS EFFECT, AND DESIST FROM TAKING THE LAW IN THEIR OWN HANDS. IF THEY PRESENT A SOUND ARGUMENT, WILL NOT THEIR EFFORTS BEAR FRUIT?

                                --- On Thu, 22/4/10, ravichaudhary2000 <ravichaudhary2000@ yahoo.com> wrote:

                                From: ravichaudhary2000 <ravichaudhary2000@ yahoo.com>
                                Subject: [JatHistory] Re: Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing
                                To: JatHistory@yahoogro ups.com
                                Date: Thursday, 22 April, 2010, 3:24 PM

                                 


                                Killing people over such practices is wrong.

                                What is also wrong is that the Hindu marriage act permits same gothra marriage, ( i.e cousin marriage) which was forbidden before.

                                How is this to be reconciled?

                                Ravi Chaudhary

                                --- In JatHistory@yahoogro ups.com, Sagar Malik <sagarmalik@ ...> wrote:
                                >
                                > KARNAL: In a landmark judgement in a Haryana honour killing case, a court
                                > here on Tuesday awarded capital punishment to five persons and life sentence
                                > to one for murdering a couple on the diktats of a self-styled community
                                > panchayat for marrying against societal norms.
                                >
                                > Additional District and Sessions Judge Vani Gopal Sharma pronounced the
                                > sentence after reserving the judgement in the case on Monday. The
                                > prosecution had termed the case as the "rarest of the rare" and pleaded for
                                > capital punishment to the six convicts for killing Manoj (23) and Babli
                                > (19), who hailed from Karora village in Kaithal district and had got married
                                > on May 18, 2007.
                                >
                                > Last Thursday, the court had convicted them for murdering the couple of the
                                > same 'gotra' (sub-caste) in 2007. Another person was held guilty of
                                > abduction and the quantum of punishment in his case was also reserved. It is
                                > the first case in which the boy's family had moved court against the honour
                                > killing after the 'khap' panchayat (caste-based council) had ruled against
                                > the couple's marriage.
                                >
                                > Those sentenced to death are the girl's brother Suresh, uncles Rajender and
                                > Baru Ram and her cousins Gurdev and Satish besides leader of the panchayat
                                > Ganga Raj who was given life imprisonment. A driver Mandeep Singh was
                                > convicted of kidnapping and awarded a seven year prison term.
                                >
                                > Public prosecutor Sunil Rana described the court verdict as landmark
                                > judgement as khap panchayats "are acting against the law. They are taking
                                > law into their own hands and despite protection of the courts, innocent
                                > couples are being murdered".
                                >
                                > http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/india/ Khap-Panchyat- Death-sentence- for-5-in- Haryana-honour- killing/articles how/5743038. cms
                                >
                                > Thanks & Regards
                                > Sagar Malik
                                >



                              • sanjay mann
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                                  Haryana’s killer khaps

                                  Anuradha Dutt

                                  Shameful barbarism in the guise of caste system

                                  Haryana’s khap panchayats, whose writ rules over Jats, are up in arms against the forces of modernity. On Tuesday, 20 khap leaders conferred at a mahapanchayat at Kurukshetra to work out a common strategy for safeguarding their social customs and insulating them against reforms. Village elders resolved to press for an amendment to the Hindu Marriage Act, which would safeguard their right to contract marriages as enjoined by tradition, and presumably punish those who dared flout convention. It was a clear reaction to the growing demand for the Government to clamp down on these bodies, which freely exercise their powers to strike terror in runaway couples that dare to defy their rules. 

                                  One khap or cluster of villages, sharing the same gotra or genetic marker, is governed by a common panchayat in social matters. Marriage within the same gotra (genetic marker) or khap is prohibited on the grounds of ‘bhaichara’ or brotherly relations. Violation of the rule usually invites death for the offending couple, while family members are ostracised. To what extent such prejudice hinges on the science of eugenics is not known. But it has served to terminate many young lives, either through murder or forced suicide. A Karnal Sessions Court passed a landmark judgement last month, condemning five people to death for killing Manoj and Babli, who married within the same gotraand village, at the behest of the khap panchayat. Another accused was sentenced to seven years in jail on charges of kidnapping and conspiracy. 

                                  The mahapanchayat was hastily convened in order to help the culprits as well as send a message to the Government and courts that the khap panchayats were independent of the laws of the land. These medieval village-level panchayats function as parallel courts, quite likeSharia’h courts in rigid Islamic milieus. They govern social norms and pronounce verdicts, which are in contravention of the modern, equitable laws that post-independence India adopted as a democracy. Though on the development fast-track, Haryana remains completely feudal and patriarchal in terms of attitudes to marriage, inheritance, caste and gender relations. The predominant Jats, as a wealthy farming community, zealously guard their land, females and customs. Exercising control is the key to their social formulations, and khap panchayats serve as instruments towards this end. They are also found in other States, harbouring Jats. 

                                  The courts and Government needs to speedily curtail their powers. India cannot afford to have a parallel justice system, which undoes all the good that was ushered in by our founding fathers. Sadly, consistent genuflection by political parties before people, whose concerns may be contrary to the Indian Constitution, laws and democratic ideal of equality, is to blame for this situation. To cite an instance, the Rajiv Gandhi-headed Government in 1986 stymied an attempt at initiating progressive reforms among Muslims by repealing a Supreme Court verdict, awarding maintenance to Shah Bano, a 70-year-old woman, divorced by her husband. It thus tried to quell their anger over unlocking of the Babri Masjid at Ayodhya on the direction of a Faizabad judge in February 1986. Poor Shah Bano was deprived of maintenance on the grounds that it was unIslamic. 

                                  This policy of appeasement has resulted in the colossal failure to implement a uniform civil code, as per the constitutional directive. While Indian Muslims have the freedom to be governed by their personal laws, these do not always conform to the Sharia’h. For instance, the men can freely marry four times and pronounce divorce simply by uttering talaq thrice, or stating it in a letter or telegram. Yet, under theSharia’h, to marry again, a man has to take formal consent from earlier spouses or spouse. And divorce, in its correct application, is obtained after two periods of reconciliation. None of these rules are observed here, with Muslims implementing their laws according to their own convenience. And, most political parties, through fear of losing their support, do not dare take them on.

                                  But there are limits to appeasement, and the khap panchayats must be expeditiously cut down to size. The gotra system, devised by them, derives from names of villages and landowners. Ancient Hindu gotras derived from the names of the maharishis, considered the original progenitors. Hindu law books worked out an intricate system of marriages. Same gotra alliances were taboo. However, the tyranny unleashed by khap panchayats on the pretext of safeguarding tradition needs to be quelled under threat of severe punishment.
                                   

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                                  Bullet Existance of Serv Khap Panchayat System
                                  By Sunny Maan on 4/23/2010 7:13:04 PM

                                  Ms Ayesha : "Khap panchayats have existed since 600 AD in India and have managed their affairs independent of the law of the land. Historically, they have had standing armies protecting the individual Khaps. A Khap is a unit of territory – traditionally, 84 villages from the same caste. The Sarv Khap Panchayat has 300 subordinate Khaps, controlling roughly 25,000 villages in Haryana, Punjab, Western Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh and Rajasthan."

                                  Bullet Barbarism in the name of upholding 'honor'
                                  By A.Sathyamurthy on 4/21/2010 8:34:39 PM

                                  Though I hate what the villages are trying to do, they have a valid point--a way of avoiding inbreeding that doesn't take place even among wild animals. Is the so called civil code applicable only to Hindus. If a minority community can have its own communal practices that are out of reach of the country's civil laws, why should the same right be denied to the Majority? It will be interesting to see how the 'secular parties and govt' react to the villagers' move.

                                  Bullet gotra syste is scientific not talibanic
                                  By dr vivek arya on 4/18/2010 8:24:24 PM

                                  its a misconception among western media that gotra system is of mediveal times. a stody by scientists from bardford uk had shown that those pakistani muslims who had married within their familes had higher incidence of autosomal recssive diseases than those who made married out of family. the gotra system prevents same family members from marrying thus preventing diseases.

                                  Bullet how can one even think of justifying ppl supporting honor killings
                                  By Ayesha on 4/16/2010 7:58:54 PM

                                  I am surprised to see mr. Ankit's commets. According to what ur calling duties then we should also say Talibanis are doing there duties well and as well as Naxalites killings of 76 soldiers are justified ? And for God sake! there was no Khap 3000 years ago. I feel ashamed of commenting on site where people are justifying barbaric acts. Get well soon u ppl.

                                  Bullet @Gotra system prevents inbreeding and helps avoid genetic diseases
                                  By KK on 4/16/2010 7:49:37 PM

                                  I am a MTech(Genetic Engineering) and what ur supporting through science is complete insensible. The reasons goes here: 
                                  Genetics imposes threat of recessive disorders in cousin marriages. The highest risk is within first cousin. Now if you see pedigree analysis of recessive disorders in which both parents who are cousions are carriers of diseased gene, then the child have ¼ probability of acquiring the disease coz parents have probability that they share upto 50% genes. 



                                  Bullet S-Gotra Marriages.
                                  By P. Joshipura on 4/16/2010 7:17:46 PM

                                  Absolutely, nobody should have any problem if people volunteerily observed the 'wisdom' of not getting mrried in same Gotra, but murdering those who violeted that 'wisdom', can not be tolerated in a civil society.

                                  Bullet Khap Panchayat
                                  By ankit on 4/16/2010 12:36:54 PM

                                  1>gotra of a khap is derived from name of their common ancestor and they respect 
                                  their ancestors more than any kind of rishis or maharishis.
                                  2>if these same gotra marriages are encouraged then anybody cant imagine what
                                  law n order situation actully will be.there would be violence in every street of a
                                  village.
                                  3>khaps were formulated for common interest and they are taking care their duties
                                  very well since 3000 years and back.

                                  Bullet Thank you almighty, In India we are reserved - not casted
                                  By MrGotra on 4/16/2010 11:19:53 AM

                                  Howrah station was unkempt, disorganized and wild when I went there last. I must agree with Ms. Dutt. India is barbaric. Again, a compelling article by Pioneer's ablest - Shah Bano, UCC, Rajiv Gandhi, Women's Reservation, facile antiquated caste leanings, Women's rights, etc. I agree with Ms Dutt that honour killings are bad, but as a divorced spouse of an intra Gotra marriage, being unaware of such intricacies I have to side with the Jats .

                                  Bullet Gotra system prevents inbreeding and helps avoid genetic diseases
                                  By Aam Admi on 4/16/2010 2:44:48 AM

                                  The gotra system developed by great Rishis is highly scientific as it prevents inbreeding resulting in minimizing genetic diseases. The jews and muslims where there is no such code of conduct have lot of genetic diseases due to inbreeding. The wisdom of Khap panchayats must be respected as this stands test of modern science. Consistent with this wisdom, genetic counselling has now become popular in the West to avoid inbreeding.



                                  From: A. Singh <pratyuttar13@...>
                                  To: JatHistory@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Fri, 23 April, 2010 1:07:49 AM
                                  Subject: Re: [JatHistory] Re: Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing

                                   

                                  ONE SHOULDN'T FORGET THAT "HINDU" IS A GENERIC TERM AND ENCOMPASSES A WIDE VARIETY OF PEOPLE FROM DIVERSE SOCIO-ETHNIC AND CULTURAL BACKGROUNDS. .. COUSIN MARRIAGES ARE COMMONLY PRACTISED BY VARIOUS "HINDU" CASTES AND COMMUNITIES, MORE SO IN SOUTH AND CENTRAL INDIA... SO, TO SUGGEST THAT "HINDUISM" PROHIBITS COUSIN OR SAGOTRA MARRIAGES WOULD BE PRESUMPTUOUS. ..

                                  HOWEVER, IN OUR COMMUNITY, SAGOTRA MARRIAGES ARE AKIN TO INCEST. BUT THE INDIAN LAWS DO NOT HAVE ANY SPECIAL PROVISION IN THIS REGARD. SO, LET THE KHAP PANCHAYATS PETITION THE GOVT TO SEEK CHANGES TO THIS EFFECT, AND DESIST FROM TAKING THE LAW IN THEIR OWN HANDS. IF THEY PRESENT A SOUND ARGUMENT, WILL NOT THEIR EFFORTS BEAR FRUIT?

                                  --- On Thu, 22/4/10, ravichaudhary2000 <ravichaudhary2000@ yahoo.com> wrote:

                                  From: ravichaudhary2000 <ravichaudhary2000@ yahoo.com>
                                  Subject: [JatHistory] Re: Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing
                                  To: JatHistory@yahoogro ups.com
                                  Date: Thursday, 22 April, 2010, 3:24 PM

                                   


                                  Killing people over such practices is wrong.

                                  What is also wrong is that the Hindu marriage act permits same gothra marriage, ( i.e cousin marriage) which was forbidden before.

                                  How is this to be reconciled?

                                  Ravi Chaudhary

                                  --- In JatHistory@yahoogro ups.com, Sagar Malik <sagarmalik@ ...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > KARNAL: In a landmark judgement in a Haryana honour killing case, a court
                                  > here on Tuesday awarded capital punishment to five persons and life sentence
                                  > to one for murdering a couple on the diktats of a self-styled community
                                  > panchayat for marrying against societal norms.
                                  >
                                  > Additional District and Sessions Judge Vani Gopal Sharma pronounced the
                                  > sentence after reserving the judgement in the case on Monday. The
                                  > prosecution had termed the case as the "rarest of the rare" and pleaded for
                                  > capital punishment to the six convicts for killing Manoj (23) and Babli
                                  > (19), who hailed from Karora village in Kaithal district and had got married
                                  > on May 18, 2007.
                                  >
                                  > Last Thursday, the court had convicted them for murdering the couple of the
                                  > same 'gotra' (sub-caste) in 2007. Another person was held guilty of
                                  > abduction and the quantum of punishment in his case was also reserved. It is
                                  > the first case in which the boy's family had moved court against the honour
                                  > killing after the 'khap' panchayat (caste-based council) had ruled against
                                  > the couple's marriage.
                                  >
                                  > Those sentenced to death are the girl's brother Suresh, uncles Rajender and
                                  > Baru Ram and her cousins Gurdev and Satish besides leader of the panchayat
                                  > Ganga Raj who was given life imprisonment. A driver Mandeep Singh was
                                  > convicted of kidnapping and awarded a seven year prison term.
                                  >
                                  > Public prosecutor Sunil Rana described the court verdict as landmark
                                  > judgement as khap panchayats "are acting against the law. They are taking
                                  > law into their own hands and despite protection of the courts, innocent
                                  > couples are being murdered".
                                  >
                                  > http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/india/ Khap-Panchyat- Death-sentence- for-5-in- Haryana-honour- killing/articles how/5743038. cms
                                  >
                                  > Thanks & Regards
                                  > Sagar Malik
                                  >



                                • vivek
                                  i answered the author immediately as i read the above article dr vivek gotra syste is scientific not talibanic By dr vivek arya on 4/18/2010 8:24:24 PM its a
                                  Message 16 of 20 , Apr 23, 2010
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                                    i answered the author immediately as i read the above article

                                    dr vivek




                                    gotra syste is scientific not talibanic
                                    By dr vivek arya on 4/18/2010 8:24:24 PM

                                    its a misconception among western media that gotra system is of mediveal times. a stody by scientists from bardford uk had shown that those pakistani muslims who had married within their familes had higher incidence of autosomal recssive diseases than those who made married out of family. the gotra system prevents same family members from marrying thus preventing diseases.





                                    > http://www.dailypioneer.com/DisplayContent.aspx?ContentID=249474&URLName=Haryana%25u2019s-killer-khaps
                                    >
                                    > Haryana’s killer khaps
                                    >
                                    > Anuradha Dutt
                                    >
                                    > Shameful barbarism in the guise of caste system
                                    >
                                    > Haryana’s khap panchayats, whose writ rules over Jats, are up in arms against the forces of modernity. On Tuesday, 20 khap leaders conferred at a mahapanchayat at Kurukshetra to work out a common strategy for safeguarding their social customs and insulating them against reforms. Village elders resolved to press for an amendment to the Hindu Marriage Act, which would safeguard their right to contract marriages as enjoined by tradition, and presumably punish those who dared flout convention. It was a clear reaction to the growing demand for the Government to clamp down on these bodies, which freely exercise their powers to strike terror in runaway couples that dare to defy their rules.
                                    >
                                    > One khap or cluster of villages, sharing the same gotra or genetic marker, is governed by a common panchayat in social matters. Marriage within the same gotra (genetic marker) or khap is prohibited on the grounds of ‘bhaichara’ or brotherly relations. Violation of the rule usually invites death for the offending couple, while family members are ostracised. To what extent such prejudice hinges on the science of eugenics is not known. But it has served to terminate many young lives, either through murder or forced suicide. A Karnal Sessions Court passed a landmark judgement last month, condemning five people to death for killing Manoj and Babli, who married within the same gotraand village, at the behest of the khap panchayat. Another accused was sentenced to seven years in jail on charges of kidnapping and conspiracy.
                                    >
                                    > The mahapanchayat was hastily convened in order to help the culprits as well as send a message to the Government and courts that the khap panchayats were independent of the laws of the land. These medieval village-level panchayats function as parallel courts, quite likeSharia’h courts in rigid Islamic milieus. They govern social norms and pronounce verdicts, which are in contravention of the modern, equitable laws that post-independence India adopted as a democracy. Though on the development fast-track, Haryana remains completely feudal and patriarchal in terms of attitudes to marriage, inheritance, caste and gender relations. The predominant Jats, as a wealthy farming community, zealously guard their land, females and customs. Exercising control is the key to their social formulations, and khap panchayats serve as instruments towards this end. They are also found in other States, harbouring Jats.
                                    >
                                    > The courts and Government needs to speedily curtail their powers. India cannot afford to have a parallel justice system, which undoes all the good that was ushered in by our founding fathers. Sadly, consistent genuflection by political parties before people, whose concerns may be contrary to the Indian Constitution, laws and democratic ideal of equality, is to blame for this situation. To cite an instance, the Rajiv Gandhi-headed Government in 1986 stymied an attempt at initiating progressive reforms among Muslims by repealing a Supreme Court verdict, awarding maintenance to Shah Bano, a 70-year-old woman, divorced by her husband. It thus tried to quell their anger over unlocking of the Babri Masjid at Ayodhya on the direction of a Faizabad judge in February 1986. Poor Shah Bano was deprived of maintenance on the grounds that it was unIslamic.
                                    >
                                    > This policy of appeasement has resulted in the colossal failure to implement a uniform civil code, as per the constitutional directive. While Indian Muslims have the freedom to be governed by their personal laws, these do not always conform to the Sharia’h. For instance, the men can freely marry four times and pronounce divorce simply by uttering talaq thrice, or stating it in a letter or telegram. Yet, under theSharia’h, to marry again, a man has to take formal consent from earlier spouses or spouse. And divorce, in its correct application, is obtained after two periods of reconciliation. None of these rules are observed here, with Muslims implementing their laws according to their own convenience. And, most political parties, through fear of losing their support, do not dare take them on.
                                    >
                                    > But there are limits to appeasement, and the khap panchayats must be expeditiously cut down to size. The gotra system, devised by them, derives from names of villages and landowners. Ancient Hindu gotras derived from the names of the maharishis, considered the original progenitors. Hindu law books worked out an intricate system of marriages. Same gotra alliances were taboo. However, the tyranny unleashed by khap panchayats on the pretext of safeguarding tradition needs to be quelled under threat of severe punishment.
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                                    > Existance of Serv Khap Panchayat System
                                    > By Sunny Maan on 4/23/2010 7:13:04 PM
                                    >
                                    > Ms Ayesha : "Khap panchayats have existed since 600 AD in India and have managed their affairs independent of the law of the land. Historically, they have had standing armies protecting the individual Khaps. A Khap is a unit of territory â€" traditionally, 84 villages from the same caste. The Sarv Khap Panchayat has 300 subordinate Khaps, controlling roughly 25,000 villages in Haryana, Punjab, Western Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh and Rajasthan."
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Barbarism in the name of upholding 'honor'
                                    > By A.Sathyamurthy on 4/21/2010 8:34:39 PM
                                    >
                                    > Though I hate what the villages are trying to do, they have a valid point--a way of avoiding inbreeding that doesn't take place even among wild animals. Is the so called civil code applicable only to Hindus. If a minority community can have its own communal practices that are out of reach of the country's civil laws, why should the same right be denied to the Majority? It will be interesting to see how the 'secular parties and govt' react to the villagers' move.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > gotra syste is scientific not talibanic
                                    > By dr vivek arya on 4/18/2010 8:24:24 PM
                                    >
                                    > its a misconception among western media that gotra system is of mediveal times. a stody by scientists from bardford uk had shown that those pakistani muslims who had married within their familes had higher incidence of autosomal recssive diseases than those who made married out of family. the gotra system prevents same family members from marrying thus preventing diseases.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > how can one even think of justifying ppl supporting honor killings
                                    > By Ayesha on 4/16/2010 7:58:54 PM
                                    >
                                    > I am surprised to see mr. Ankit's commets. According to what ur calling duties then we should also say Talibanis are doing there duties well and as well as Naxalites killings of 76 soldiers are justified ? And for God sake! there was no Khap 3000 years ago. I feel ashamed of commenting on site where people are justifying barbaric acts. Get well soon u ppl.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > @Gotra system prevents inbreeding and helps avoid genetic diseases
                                    > By KK on 4/16/2010 7:49:37 PM
                                    >
                                    > I am a MTech(Genetic Engineering) and what ur supporting through science is complete insensible. The reasons goes here:
                                    > Genetics imposes threat of recessive disorders in cousin marriages. The highest risk is within first cousin. Now if you see pedigree analysis of recessive disorders in which both parents who are cousions are carriers of diseased gene, then the child have ¼ probability of acquiring the disease coz parents have probability that they share upto 50% genes.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > S-Gotra Marriages.
                                    > By P. Joshipura on 4/16/2010 7:17:46 PM
                                    >
                                    > Absolutely, nobody should have any problem if people volunteerily observed the 'wisdom' of not getting mrried in same Gotra, but murdering those who violeted that 'wisdom', can not be tolerated in a civil society.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Khap Panchayat
                                    > By ankit on 4/16/2010 12:36:54 PM
                                    >
                                    > 1>gotra of a khap is derived from name of their common ancestor and they respect
                                    > their ancestors more than any kind of rishis or maharishis.
                                    > 2>if these same gotra marriages are encouraged then anybody cant imagine what
                                    > law n order situation actully will be.there would be violence in every street of a
                                    > village.
                                    > 3>khaps were formulated for common interest and they are taking care their duties
                                    > very well since 3000 years and back.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Thank you almighty, In India we are reserved - not casted
                                    > By MrGotra on 4/16/2010 11:19:53 AM
                                    >
                                    > Howrah station was unkempt, disorganized and wild when I went there last. I must agree with Ms. Dutt. India is barbaric. Again, a compelling article by Pioneer's ablest - Shah Bano, UCC, Rajiv Gandhi, Women's Reservation, facile antiquated caste leanings, Women's rights, etc. I agree with Ms Dutt that honour killings are bad, but as a divorced spouse of an intra Gotra marriage, being unaware of such intricacies I have to side with the Jats .
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Gotra system prevents inbreeding and helps avoid genetic diseases
                                    > By Aam Admi on 4/16/2010 2:44:48 AM
                                    >
                                    > The gotra system developed by great Rishis is highly scientific as it prevents inbreeding resulting in minimizing genetic diseases. The jews and muslims where there is no such code of conduct have lot of genetic diseases due to inbreeding. The wisdom of Khap panchayats must be respected as this stands test of modern science. Consistent with this wisdom, genetic counselling has now become popular in the West to avoid inbreeding.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > ________________________________
                                    > From: A. Singh <pratyuttar13@...>
                                    > To: JatHistory@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Sent: Fri, 23 April, 2010 1:07:49 AM
                                    > Subject: Re: [JatHistory] Re: Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > ONE SHOULDN'T FORGET THAT "HINDU" IS A GENERIC TERM AND ENCOMPASSES A WIDE VARIETY OF PEOPLE FROM DIVERSE SOCIO-ETHNIC AND CULTURAL BACKGROUNDS. .. COUSIN MARRIAGES ARE COMMONLY PRACTISED BY VARIOUS "HINDU" CASTES AND COMMUNITIES, MORE SO IN SOUTH AND CENTRAL INDIA... SO, TO SUGGEST THAT "HINDUISM" PROHIBITS COUSIN OR SAGOTRA MARRIAGES WOULD BE PRESUMPTUOUS. ..
                                    >
                                    > HOWEVER, IN OUR COMMUNITY, SAGOTRA MARRIAGES ARE AKIN TO INCEST. BUT THE INDIAN LAWS DO NOT HAVE ANY SPECIAL PROVISION IN THIS REGARD. SO, LET THE KHAP PANCHAYATS PETITION THE GOVT TO SEEK CHANGES TO THIS EFFECT, AND DESIST FROM TAKING THE LAW IN THEIR OWN HANDS. IF THEY PRESENT A SOUND ARGUMENT, WILL NOT THEIR EFFORTS BEAR FRUIT?
                                    >
                                    > --- On Thu, 22/4/10, ravichaudhary2000 <ravichaudhary2000@ yahoo.com> wrote:
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > >From: ravichaudhary2000 <ravichaudhary2000@ yahoo.com>
                                    > >Subject: [JatHistory] Re: Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing
                                    > >To: JatHistory@yahoogro ups.com
                                    > >Date: Thursday, 22 April, 2010, 3:24 PM
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >>
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
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                                    > >
                                    > >
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                                    > > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >>
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >>Killing people over such practices is wrong.
                                    > >
                                    > >>What is also wrong is that the Hindu marriage act permits same gothra marriage, ( i.e cousin marriage) which was forbidden before.
                                    > >
                                    > >>How is this to be reconciled?
                                    > >
                                    > >>Ravi Chaudhary
                                    > >
                                    > >>--- In JatHistory@yahoogro ups.com, Sagar Malik <sagarmalik@ ...> wrote:
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>> KARNAL: In a landmark judgement in a Haryana honour killing case, a court
                                    > >>> here on Tuesday awarded capital punishment to five persons and life sentence
                                    > >>> to one for murdering a couple on the diktats of a self-styled community
                                    > >>> panchayat for marrying against societal norms.
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>> Additional District and Sessions Judge Vani Gopal Sharma pronounced the
                                    > >>> sentence after reserving the judgement in the case on Monday. The
                                    > >>> prosecution had termed the case as the "rarest of the rare" and pleaded for
                                    > >>> capital punishment to the six convicts for killing Manoj (23) and Babli
                                    > >>> (19), who hailed from Karora village in Kaithal district and had got married
                                    > >>> on May 18, 2007.
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>> Last Thursday, the court had convicted them for murdering the couple of the
                                    > >>> same 'gotra' (sub-caste) in 2007. Another person was held guilty of
                                    > >>> abduction and the quantum of punishment in his case was also reserved. It is
                                    > >>> the first case in which the boy's family had moved court against the honour
                                    > >>> killing after the 'khap' panchayat (caste-based council) had ruled against
                                    > >>> the couple's marriage.
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>> Those sentenced to death are the girl's brother Suresh, uncles Rajender and
                                    > >>> Baru Ram and her cousins Gurdev and Satish besides leader of the panchayat
                                    > >>> Ganga Raj who was given life imprisonment. A driver Mandeep Singh was
                                    > >>> convicted of kidnapping and awarded a seven year prison term.
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>> Public prosecutor Sunil Rana described the court verdict as landmark
                                    > >>> judgement as khap panchayats "are acting against the law. They are taking
                                    > >>> law into their own hands and despite protection of the courts, innocent
                                    > >>> couples are being murdered".
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>> http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/india/ Khap-Panchyat- Death-sentence- for-5-in- Haryana-honour- killing/articles how/5743038. cms
                                    > >>>
                                    > >>> Thanks & Regards
                                    > >>> Sagar Malik
                                    > >>>
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                  • Ajay Singh
                                    WHOLE IDEA OF THESE NEWS IS TO MALIGN JAT ASA COMMUNITY AND NOTHING ELSE. ALL THE REPORTS KNOWS AND UNDERSTAND WHAT JATS ARE TRYING TO JUSTIFY AND THAT S WHAT
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                                      WHOLE IDEA OF THESE NEWS IS TO MALIGN JAT ASA COMMUNITY AND NOTHING ELSE. ALL THE REPORTS KNOWS AND UNDERSTAND WHAT JATS ARE TRYING TO JUSTIFY AND THAT"S WHAT THEY ARE TRY TO HIT THROUGH A POWERFUL MEDIA OWNED BY THEM. PICK UP ANY MATROMIAL COLUMN MAJORITY CASTES KEEP WRITING AVOID THIS GOTRA AVOID THAT GOTRA.

                                      On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 9:00 PM, vivek <drvivekarya@...> wrote:
                                       


                                      i answered the author immediately as i read the above article

                                      dr vivek

                                      gotra syste is scientific not talibanic
                                      By dr vivek arya on 4/18/2010 8:24:24 PM

                                      its a misconception among western media that gotra system is of mediveal times. a stody by scientists from bardford uk had shown that those pakistani muslims who had married within their familes had higher incidence of autosomal recssive diseases than those who made married out of family. the gotra system prevents same family members from marrying thus preventing diseases.

                                      > http://www.dailypioneer.com/DisplayContent.aspx?ContentID=249474&URLName=Haryana%25u2019s-killer-khaps
                                      >
                                      > Haryana’s killer khaps
                                      >
                                      > Anuradha Dutt
                                      >
                                      > Shameful barbarism in the guise of caste system
                                      >
                                      > Haryana’s khap panchayats, whose writ rules over Jats, are up in arms against the forces of modernity. On Tuesday, 20 khap leaders conferred at a mahapanchayat at Kurukshetra to work out a common strategy for safeguarding their social customs and insulating them against reforms. Village elders resolved to press for an amendment to the Hindu Marriage Act, which would safeguard their right to contract marriages as enjoined by tradition, and presumably punish those who dared flout convention. It was a clear reaction to the growing demand for the Government to clamp down on these bodies, which freely exercise their powers to strike terror in runaway couples that dare to defy their rules.
                                      >
                                      > One khap or cluster of villages, sharing the same gotra or genetic marker, is governed by a common panchayat in social matters. Marriage within the same gotra (genetic marker) or khap is prohibited on the grounds of ‘bhaichara’ or brotherly relations. Violation of the rule usually invites death for the offending couple, while family members are ostracised. To what extent such prejudice hinges on the science of eugenics is not known. But it has served to terminate many young lives, either through murder or forced suicide. A Karnal Sessions Court passed a landmark judgement last month, condemning five people to death for killing Manoj and Babli, who married within the same gotraand village, at the behest of the khap panchayat. Another accused was sentenced to seven years in jail on charges of kidnapping and conspiracy.
                                      >
                                      > The mahapanchayat was hastily convened in order to help the culprits as well as send a message to the Government and courts that the khap panchayats were independent of the laws of the land. These medieval village-level panchayats function as parallel courts, quite likeSharia’h courts in rigid Islamic milieus. They govern social norms and pronounce verdicts, which are in contravention of the modern, equitable laws that post-independence India adopted as a democracy. Though on the development fast-track, Haryana remains completely feudal and patriarchal in terms of attitudes to marriage, inheritance, caste and gender relations. The predominant Jats, as a wealthy farming community, zealously guard their land, females and customs. Exercising control is the key to their social formulations, and khap panchayats serve as instruments towards this end. They are also found in other States, harbouring Jats.
                                      >
                                      > The courts and Government needs to speedily curtail their powers. India cannot afford to have a parallel justice system, which undoes all the good that was ushered in by our founding fathers. Sadly, consistent genuflection by political parties before people, whose concerns may be contrary to the Indian Constitution, laws and democratic ideal of equality, is to blame for this situation. To cite an instance, the Rajiv Gandhi-headed Government in 1986 stymied an attempt at initiating progressive reforms among Muslims by repealing a Supreme Court verdict, awarding maintenance to Shah Bano, a 70-year-old woman, divorced by her husband. It thus tried to quell their anger over unlocking of the Babri Masjid at Ayodhya on the direction of a Faizabad judge in February 1986. Poor Shah Bano was deprived of maintenance on the grounds that it was unIslamic.
                                      >
                                      > This policy of appeasement has resulted in the colossal failure to implement a uniform civil code, as per the constitutional directive. While Indian Muslims have the freedom to be governed by their personal laws, these do not always conform to the Sharia’h. For instance, the men can freely marry four times and pronounce divorce simply by uttering talaq thrice, or stating it in a letter or telegram. Yet, under theSharia’h, to marry again, a man has to take formal consent from earlier spouses or spouse. And divorce, in its correct application, is obtained after two periods of reconciliation. None of these rules are observed here, with Muslims implementing their laws according to their own convenience. And, most political parties, through fear of losing their support, do not dare take them on.
                                      >
                                      > But there are limits to appeasement, and the khap panchayats must be expeditiously cut down to size. The gotra system, devised by them, derives from names of villages and landowners. Ancient Hindu gotras derived from the names of the maharishis, considered the original progenitors. Hindu law books worked out an intricate system of marriages. Same gotra alliances were taboo. However, the tyranny unleashed by khap panchayats on the pretext of safeguarding tradition needs to be quelled under threat of severe punishment.
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                                      > Existance of Serv Khap Panchayat System
                                      > By Sunny Maan on 4/23/2010 7:13:04 PM
                                      >
                                      > Ms Ayesha : "Khap panchayats have existed since 600 AD in India and have managed their affairs independent of the law of the land. Historically, they have had standing armies protecting the individual Khaps. A Khap is a unit of territory â€" traditionally, 84 villages from the same caste. The Sarv Khap Panchayat has 300 subordinate Khaps, controlling roughly 25,000 villages in Haryana, Punjab, Western Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh and Rajasthan."
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Barbarism in the name of upholding 'honor'
                                      > By A.Sathyamurthy on 4/21/2010 8:34:39 PM
                                      >
                                      > Though I hate what the villages are trying to do, they have a valid point--a way of avoiding inbreeding that doesn't take place even among wild animals. Is the so called civil code applicable only to Hindus. If a minority community can have its own communal practices that are out of reach of the country's civil laws, why should the same right be denied to the Majority? It will be interesting to see how the 'secular parties and govt' react to the villagers' move.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > gotra syste is scientific not talibanic
                                      > By dr vivek arya on 4/18/2010 8:24:24 PM
                                      >
                                      > its a misconception among western media that gotra system is of mediveal times. a stody by scientists from bardford uk had shown that those pakistani muslims who had married within their familes had higher incidence of autosomal recssive diseases than those who made married out of family. the gotra system prevents same family members from marrying thus preventing diseases.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > how can one even think of justifying ppl supporting honor killings
                                      > By Ayesha on 4/16/2010 7:58:54 PM
                                      >
                                      > I am surprised to see mr. Ankit's commets. According to what ur calling duties then we should also say Talibanis are doing there duties well and as well as Naxalites killings of 76 soldiers are justified ? And for God sake! there was no Khap 3000 years ago. I feel ashamed of commenting on site where people are justifying barbaric acts. Get well soon u ppl.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > @Gotra system prevents inbreeding and helps avoid genetic diseases
                                      > By KK on 4/16/2010 7:49:37 PM
                                      >
                                      > I am a MTech(Genetic Engineering) and what ur supporting through science is complete insensible. The reasons goes here:
                                      > Genetics imposes threat of recessive disorders in cousin marriages. The highest risk is within first cousin. Now if you see pedigree analysis of recessive disorders in which both parents who are cousions are carriers of diseased gene, then the child have ¼ probability of acquiring the disease coz parents have probability that they share upto 50% genes.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > S-Gotra Marriages.
                                      > By P. Joshipura on 4/16/2010 7:17:46 PM
                                      >
                                      > Absolutely, nobody should have any problem if people volunteerily observed the 'wisdom' of not getting mrried in same Gotra, but murdering those who violeted that 'wisdom', can not be tolerated in a civil society.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Khap Panchayat
                                      > By ankit on 4/16/2010 12:36:54 PM
                                      >
                                      > 1>gotra of a khap is derived from name of their common ancestor and they respect
                                      > their ancestors more than any kind of rishis or maharishis.
                                      > 2>if these same gotra marriages are encouraged then anybody cant imagine what
                                      > law n order situation actully will be.there would be violence in every street of a
                                      > village.
                                      > 3>khaps were formulated for common interest and they are taking care their duties
                                      > very well since 3000 years and back.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Thank you almighty, In India we are reserved - not casted
                                      > By MrGotra on 4/16/2010 11:19:53 AM
                                      >
                                      > Howrah station was unkempt, disorganized and wild when I went there last. I must agree with Ms. Dutt. India is barbaric. Again, a compelling article by Pioneer's ablest - Shah Bano, UCC, Rajiv Gandhi, Women's Reservation, facile antiquated caste leanings, Women's rights, etc. I agree with Ms Dutt that honour killings are bad, but as a divorced spouse of an intra Gotra marriage, being unaware of such intricacies I have to side with the Jats .
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Gotra system prevents inbreeding and helps avoid genetic diseases
                                      > By Aam Admi on 4/16/2010 2:44:48 AM
                                      >
                                      > The gotra system developed by great Rishis is highly scientific as it prevents inbreeding resulting in minimizing genetic diseases. The jews and muslims where there is no such code of conduct have lot of genetic diseases due to inbreeding. The wisdom of Khap panchayats must be respected as this stands test of modern science. Consistent with this wisdom, genetic counselling has now become popular in the West to avoid inbreeding.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > ________________________________
                                      > From: A. Singh <pratyuttar13@...>
                                      > To: JatHistory@yahoogroups.com
                                      > Sent: Fri, 23 April, 2010 1:07:49 AM
                                      > Subject: Re: [JatHistory] Re: Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > ONE SHOULDN'T FORGET THAT "HINDU" IS A GENERIC TERM AND ENCOMPASSES A WIDE VARIETY OF PEOPLE FROM DIVERSE SOCIO-ETHNIC AND CULTURAL BACKGROUNDS. .. COUSIN MARRIAGES ARE COMMONLY PRACTISED BY VARIOUS "HINDU" CASTES AND COMMUNITIES, MORE SO IN SOUTH AND CENTRAL INDIA... SO, TO SUGGEST THAT "HINDUISM" PROHIBITS COUSIN OR SAGOTRA MARRIAGES WOULD BE PRESUMPTUOUS. ..
                                      >
                                      > HOWEVER, IN OUR COMMUNITY, SAGOTRA MARRIAGES ARE AKIN TO INCEST. BUT THE INDIAN LAWS DO NOT HAVE ANY SPECIAL PROVISION IN THIS REGARD. SO, LET THE KHAP PANCHAYATS PETITION THE GOVT TO SEEK CHANGES TO THIS EFFECT, AND DESIST FROM TAKING THE LAW IN THEIR OWN HANDS. IF THEY PRESENT A SOUND ARGUMENT, WILL NOT THEIR EFFORTS BEAR FRUIT?
                                      >
                                      > --- On Thu, 22/4/10, ravichaudhary2000 <ravichaudhary2000@ yahoo.com> wrote:
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > >From: ravichaudhary2000 <ravichaudhary2000@ yahoo.com>
                                      > >Subject: [JatHistory] Re: Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing
                                      > >To: JatHistory@yahoogro ups.com
                                      > >Date: Thursday, 22 April, 2010, 3:24 PM
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >>
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >>
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >>Killing people over such practices is wrong.
                                      > >
                                      > >>What is also wrong is that the Hindu marriage act permits same gothra marriage, ( i.e cousin marriage) which was forbidden before.
                                      > >
                                      > >>How is this to be reconciled?
                                      > >
                                      > >>Ravi Chaudhary
                                      > >
                                      > >>--- In JatHistory@yahoogro ups.com, Sagar Malik <sagarmalik@ ...> wrote:
                                      > >>>
                                      > >>> KARNAL: In a landmark judgement in a Haryana honour killing case, a court
                                      > >>> here on Tuesday awarded capital punishment to five persons and life sentence
                                      > >>> to one for murdering a couple on the diktats of a self-styled community
                                      > >>> panchayat for marrying against societal norms.
                                      > >>>
                                      > >>> Additional District and Sessions Judge Vani Gopal Sharma pronounced the
                                      > >>> sentence after reserving the judgement in the case on Monday. The
                                      > >>> prosecution had termed the case as the "rarest of the rare" and pleaded for
                                      > >>> capital punishment to the six convicts for killing Manoj (23) and Babli
                                      > >>> (19), who hailed from Karora village in Kaithal district and had got married
                                      > >>> on May 18, 2007.
                                      > >>>
                                      > >>> Last Thursday, the court had convicted them for murdering the couple of the
                                      > >>> same 'gotra' (sub-caste) in 2007. Another person was held guilty of
                                      > >>> abduction and the quantum of punishment in his case was also reserved. It is
                                      > >>> the first case in which the boy's family had moved court against the honour
                                      > >>> killing after the 'khap' panchayat (caste-based council) had ruled against
                                      > >>> the couple's marriage.
                                      > >>>
                                      > >>> Those sentenced to death are the girl's brother Suresh, uncles Rajender and
                                      > >>> Baru Ram and her cousins Gurdev and Satish besides leader of the panchayat
                                      > >>> Ganga Raj who was given life imprisonment. A driver Mandeep Singh was
                                      > >>> convicted of kidnapping and awarded a seven year prison term.
                                      > >>>
                                      > >>> Public prosecutor Sunil Rana described the court verdict as landmark
                                      > >>> judgement as khap panchayats "are acting against the law. They are taking
                                      > >>> law into their own hands and despite protection of the courts, innocent
                                      > >>> couples are being murdered".
                                      > >>>
                                      > >>> http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/india/ Khap-Panchyat- Death-sentence- for-5-in- Haryana-honour- killing/articles how/5743038. cms
                                      > >>>
                                      > >>> Thanks & Regards
                                      > >>> Sagar Malik
                                      > >>>
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      >


                                    • Ajay Singh
                                      This is a bogus story creatd to support their own point. No fact finding. Cretade by journalist Chander Suta Dogra. It has no fundmentals. Story created. ...
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                                        This is a bogus story creatd to support their own point. No fact finding. Cretade by journalist Chander Suta Dogra. It has no fundmentals. Story created.

                                        On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 12:31 PM, sanjay mann <sanjay_mann3@...> wrote:
                                         


                                         SOCIETY: KHAP PANCHAYATS
                                        Hardcore Courts
                                        It’s selective barbarity. The rich are spared; local politics, land influence most cases.

                                        Drawing Lines

                                        • Khap panchayats are community councils
                                        • In north India, they are largely a Jat institution
                                        • ‘Gotra’ implies lines of descent within a caste
                                        • Marriage within a gotra is taboo
                                        • Khap panchayats often punish such marriages with barbaric orders

                                        ***

                                        Last February, when Ravinder Gehlawat of Dharana village, near Jhajjar in Haryana, married Shilpi Kadian of Sonepat, the khap panchayat (a caste council of the Jats), dominated by the Kadians (a Jat clan), violently objected to the match. It alleged that the marriage violated ages-old gotra norms and that the Gehlawats and Kadians, being from the same gotra, could be considered siblings.

                                        Flashback to some 40 years ago, when two sisters of the very same village, Savitri and Prem Kadian, had married two brothers, Sardara and Attar Gehlawat, of nearby Talao. In an exchange of sorts, the sister of the Gehlawat brothers was married into the Kadians. “The khaps these days are not upholding but breaking our traditions, and for ulterior motives, making it difficult to find matches in rural Haryana,” says Dr Satish Gehlawat, son of Prem, who’s now in her seventies.

                                        In Bhaini Badshapur, near Hissar, Balwant Sihag, a prosperous farmer, married Rajbala Godara of the same village in 1997, defying the strict norm of not marrying a girl of the same village. “I was able to resist the khap’s disapproval because I am socially and economically better-off,” says Sihag. “The initial murmurs against our marriage died down because I have political connections, know the law, and can give as good as I get.”

                                        Poonam, Bhiwani district 
                                        This brave Jat girl married a Dalit. Despite the atrocities the couple faced, they are together.

                                        Similar is the case with Shruti Chaudhary, the Lok Sabha MP from Bhiwani and grand-daughter of former Haryana chief minister Bansi Lal. When she married an Assamese boy, no one objected. Other grandchildren of Bansi Lal, too, have married outside their Jat community without trouble. But when Surender, a Dalit from Kharkadi village, not far from Bansi Lal’s ancestral village, married Poonam, a Jat girl, all hell broke loose. The khap panchayat forcibly separated them and married off Poonam elsewhere. She escaped, reunited with Surender, and the couple lived underground for many months. “When we asked the elders why they didn’t object to Shruti’s marriage, they said, ‘Oh, they are big people!’” says Poonam. “Are social norms different for us and for them?”

                                        Recently, a Karnal court handed down the death sentence to five and life imprisonment to one for murdering a young couple—Manoj and Babli—on the diktat of a khap panchayat. The judgement was hailed as a landmark, one that would chasten the khaps, which often punish people through public humiliation, ostracisation or by taking away land. But most khaps have reacted belligerently, raising funds (every family is to contribute Rs 10) to defend the convicts. And the khap mahapanchayat held in Kurukshetra on April 13 has, ominously, demanded an amendment to the Hindu Marriage Act to ban so-called “same gotra” marriages. The khaps have decided to block highways to Delhi unless the Haryana government writes to the prime minister about their demands.

                                        That vehemence notwithstanding, the actions of khaps are arbitrary and there isn’t a hard and fast observance of the social norms they swear by. Investigations by Outlook in three of the worst affected districts—Bhiwani, Jhajjar and Rohtak—have revealed that most cases raised in recent times by khap panchayats have roots in personal feuds or attempts to grab land. Otherwise, they are related to the politics of panchayat elections. “It’s common knowledge that these kangaroo courts attack poor and helpless families and almost never target influential ones,” says Dr D.R. Chaudhary, member of the Haryana Administrative Reforms Commission and a campaigner against the atrocities of khap panchayats. “Issues are raised selectively. In most recent cases, factors other than preservation of so-called societal norms are at play.”

                                        Randhir Singh, Bhiwani
                                        A khap panchayat opposed his son’s ‘sagotra’ marriage. He says it was political vendetta.

                                        Take the case of Samaspur village, near Bhiwani, which has been in the news for over a month now after Sri Bhagwan, of the Legah gotra and working for the Rajasthan police, married Anita Juthra, who’s from a neighbouring village. The khap panchayat objected on the grounds that even though the two are from different gotras, since they belong to a group of 12 villages that observe bhaichara, marriages between people of these villages is forbidden. Sri Bhagwan’s father Randhir Singh was ordered to either have his son’s marriage annulled or hand over his 8.5 acres of farmland to the khap panchayat and leave the village. When the couple refused, goons attacked the family’s fields and destroyed two tubewells, forcing the family to seek police protection. “There is not much substance in the khap’s stance because the couple are from far-off gotras,” says Chaudhary. “It also had no business to order seizure of the family’s land.”

                                        Randhir Singh says he is the victim of the sarpanch’s vendetta because, during the panchayat elections, his family members supported a woman candidate who eventually lost. “They told me I’d be thrown out of this village. The sarpanch mobilised the khap panchayat against me and I was forced to file cases against them,” he says. Today, some 30 policemen guard his fields and family on court orders. The sarpanch was suspended for his role in the attack. Seeing that Randhir Singh had the administration’s support, it did a U-turn. It is now lobbying for a compromise. The caste matter has been conveniently forgotten.

                                        Dharana, near Jhajjar, is a classic example of the double standards and dubious motives of khap panchayats. The village has families of some 12 different gotras; though inter-marriage is taboo, this has been breached several times. A ruckus was raised only in one particular marriage, that between one Ravinder and Shilpi. “Ours was a model village of peace and harmony,” says Jaivir Singh Sheoran, the sarpanch. “The matter was raked up to polarise votes ahead of the panchayat elections so that a Kadian could become the sarpanch. The village is now defamed and there’s tension between sub-castes that was never there earlier.” Capt Dilbagh Singh, who spoke for the Kadians, could give little justification for the khap panchayat’s actions. “If bhaichara norms have been broken in the past, it means nothing to us. Two wrongs do not make a right.”

                                        The likes of Dilbagh Singh, powerful though they happen to be, are few in number. It’s an oft-heard refrain across rural Haryana that khaps do not really enjoy the support of the majority as their motives are quite suspect. “Just a handful of mischievous elements get together to stir passions over caste identities,” says Saroj Beniwal, a school teacher. “When the matter snowballs, the saner voices usually die out.” With falling support in the villages, the myth of a khap’s votebank is also fast collapsing. This has prompted senior politicians like Shamsher Singh Surjewala to speak out against the khap’s tyranny. Mounting pressure from the courts and the administration, coupled with the growing disillusionment of the people at the selective “protection of society norms”, has indeed put these grizzled elders on the defensive.

                                        Jagmati Sangwan, president of the state unit of the Janwadi Mahila Samiti, wonders why the khaps don’t object to the recent practice of Jats marrying girls from the impoverished tribal belts of Assam, Chhattisgarh and Andhra Pradesh. “There aren’t enough girls here, so these girls, who serve the purpose of producing heirs, are kept like animals,” she says. “No khap has objected to such matches or such practices.”

                                        Voices like hers are growing in rural Haryana. Most feel that with the Jat community facing serious problems in the marriage of young men because there simply aren’t enough women, it’s just a matter of time before the khap panchayats, infamous for their barbaric orders, are forced to back down. The infiltration of personal feuds and politics into the “society protection” agenda will only hasten their downfall.

                                         
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                                        APR 23, 2010 01:28 AM
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                                        Marriage within a tight clan leads to inbreeding and a high risk of deformed & imbecile children. This is a medical fact. The author seems to be ignorant of the science behind the traditonal taboo against marrying cousins.
                                        GAURAV G
                                        SILIVALLEY, UNITED STATES
                                        APR 18, 2010 08:43 PM
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                                        "It is ridiculous that in our country Husbands are convicted for ‘Marital Rape’, but families are lauded for ‘Honour Killing’."
                                        RAJNEESH BATRA
                                        NEW DELHI, INDIA
                                        APR 18, 2010 02:47 PM
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                                        Poor analysis.If you look at the anthropoligical history,every society and culture have the traditions of taboos and proceedures to enforce them.Most of our social and personal behaviour are governed by these uncodified social laws irrespective of caste and communities.Khaps are static and not the democratic institutios and remnants of archaic social system.Khap judgement does not reflect the whole cast/group opinion.It is sad that we take one side view of the happenings.It is the need of hour that we should condemn and check such barbaric act of killings but also devise some ways for proper social education which can change the perception of masses.
                                        SUDHIR PANWAR
                                        LUCKNOW, INDIA
                                        APR 18, 2010 02:44 AM
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                                        sagotra marriages might be correct 1000 years ago but now it is completely irrelevnt. sagotra meant marrying to cousins. this might be allowed in islam but it is not accepteble in hinduism and in christians. gotra represents family line. over the years families have increased thousand times and this is the reason gotra becomes irrlevent. 

                                        the shankaracharyas sould come out against this and allow sagotra marriages. end of the day hinduism moves with time as against islam which is mired in lost time.
                                        NAMO4
                                        LONDON, UNITED KINGDOM





                                        From: A. Singh <pratyuttar13@...>
                                        To: JatHistory@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Fri, 23 April, 2010 1:07:49 AM
                                        Subject: Re: [JatHistory] Re: Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing

                                         

                                        ONE SHOULDN'T FORGET THAT "HINDU" IS A GENERIC TERM AND ENCOMPASSES A WIDE VARIETY OF PEOPLE FROM DIVERSE SOCIO-ETHNIC AND CULTURAL BACKGROUNDS. .. COUSIN MARRIAGES ARE COMMONLY PRACTISED BY VARIOUS "HINDU" CASTES AND COMMUNITIES, MORE SO IN SOUTH AND CENTRAL INDIA... SO, TO SUGGEST THAT "HINDUISM" PROHIBITS COUSIN OR SAGOTRA MARRIAGES WOULD BE PRESUMPTUOUS. ..

                                        HOWEVER, IN OUR COMMUNITY, SAGOTRA MARRIAGES ARE AKIN TO INCEST. BUT THE INDIAN LAWS DO NOT HAVE ANY SPECIAL PROVISION IN THIS REGARD. SO, LET THE KHAP PANCHAYATS PETITION THE GOVT TO SEEK CHANGES TO THIS EFFECT, AND DESIST FROM TAKING THE LAW IN THEIR OWN HANDS. IF THEY PRESENT A SOUND ARGUMENT, WILL NOT THEIR EFFORTS BEAR FRUIT?

                                        --- On Thu, 22/4/10, ravichaudhary2000 <ravichaudhary2000@ yahoo.com> wrote:

                                        From: ravichaudhary2000 <ravichaudhary2000@ yahoo.com>
                                        Subject: [JatHistory] Re: Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing
                                        To: JatHistory@yahoogro ups.com
                                        Date: Thursday, 22 April, 2010, 3:24 PM

                                         


                                        Killing people over such practices is wrong.

                                        What is also wrong is that the Hindu marriage act permits same gothra marriage, ( i.e cousin marriage) which was forbidden before.

                                        How is this to be reconciled?

                                        Ravi Chaudhary

                                        --- In JatHistory@yahoogro ups.com, Sagar Malik <sagarmalik@ ...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > KARNAL: In a landmark judgement in a Haryana honour killing case, a court
                                        > here on Tuesday awarded capital punishment to five persons and life sentence
                                        > to one for murdering a couple on the diktats of a self-styled community
                                        > panchayat for marrying against societal norms.
                                        >
                                        > Additional District and Sessions Judge Vani Gopal Sharma pronounced the
                                        > sentence after reserving the judgement in the case on Monday. The
                                        > prosecution had termed the case as the "rarest of the rare" and pleaded for
                                        > capital punishment to the six convicts for killing Manoj (23) and Babli
                                        > (19), who hailed from Karora village in Kaithal district and had got married
                                        > on May 18, 2007.
                                        >
                                        > Last Thursday, the court had convicted them for murdering the couple of the
                                        > same 'gotra' (sub-caste) in 2007. Another person was held guilty of
                                        > abduction and the quantum of punishment in his case was also reserved. It is
                                        > the first case in which the boy's family had moved court against the honour
                                        > killing after the 'khap' panchayat (caste-based council) had ruled against
                                        > the couple's marriage.
                                        >
                                        > Those sentenced to death are the girl's brother Suresh, uncles Rajender and
                                        > Baru Ram and her cousins Gurdev and Satish besides leader of the panchayat
                                        > Ganga Raj who was given life imprisonment. A driver Mandeep Singh was
                                        > convicted of kidnapping and awarded a seven year prison term.
                                        >
                                        > Public prosecutor Sunil Rana described the court verdict as landmark
                                        > judgement as khap panchayats "are acting against the law. They are taking
                                        > law into their own hands and despite protection of the courts, innocent
                                        > couples are being murdered".
                                        >
                                        > http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/india/ Khap-Panchyat- Death-sentence- for-5-in- Haryana-honour- killing/articles how/5743038. cms
                                        >
                                        > Thanks & Regards
                                        > Sagar Malik
                                        >




                                      • Ajay Singh
                                        That s what Jats are. I still don t know why we are trying to justify our system to these idiot journalists. Do Mulsims have to justify why they marry with
                                        Message 19 of 20 , Apr 24, 2010
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                                          That's what Jats are. I still don't know why we are trying to justify our system to these idiot journalists. Do Mulsims have to justify why they marry with their close cousins or Khatris do or Iyer Brahmins do. Media will keep doing it to reduce Jat sterngth and power. Whole idea is to create bad name on Jats. jats shouldn't explain it but continue with their customs. If we folow their things we will be genetically and physically weak like them and Jat word meaning for centuries will be broken. We should follow our customs even if courts talk bullshit.

                                          On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 12:32 PM, sanjay mann <sanjay_mann3@...> wrote:
                                           



                                          Haryana’s killer khaps

                                          Anuradha Dutt

                                          Shameful barbarism in the guise of caste system

                                          Haryana’s khap panchayats, whose writ rules over Jats, are up in arms against the forces of modernity. On Tuesday, 20 khap leaders conferred at a mahapanchayat at Kurukshetra to work out a common strategy for safeguarding their social customs and insulating them against reforms. Village elders resolved to press for an amendment to the Hindu Marriage Act, which would safeguard their right to contract marriages as enjoined by tradition, and presumably punish those who dared flout convention. It was a clear reaction to the growing demand for the Government to clamp down on these bodies, which freely exercise their powers to strike terror in runaway couples that dare to defy their rules. 

                                          One khap or cluster of villages, sharing the same gotra or genetic marker, is governed by a common panchayat in social matters. Marriage within the same gotra (genetic marker) or khap is prohibited on the grounds of ‘bhaichara’ or brotherly relations. Violation of the rule usually invites death for the offending couple, while family members are ostracised. To what extent such prejudice hinges on the science of eugenics is not known. But it has served to terminate many young lives, either through murder or forced suicide. A Karnal Sessions Court passed a landmark judgement last month, condemning five people to death for killing Manoj and Babli, who married within the same gotraand village, at the behest of the khap panchayat. Another accused was sentenced to seven years in jail on charges of kidnapping and conspiracy. 

                                          The mahapanchayat was hastily convened in order to help the culprits as well as send a message to the Government and courts that the khap panchayats were independent of the laws of the land. These medieval village-level panchayats function as parallel courts, quite likeSharia’h courts in rigid Islamic milieus. They govern social norms and pronounce verdicts, which are in contravention of the modern, equitable laws that post-independence India adopted as a democracy. Though on the development fast-track, Haryana remains completely feudal and patriarchal in terms of attitudes to marriage, inheritance, caste and gender relations. The predominant Jats, as a wealthy farming community, zealously guard their land, females and customs. Exercising control is the key to their social formulations, and khap panchayats serve as instruments towards this end. They are also found in other States, harbouring Jats. 

                                          The courts and Government needs to speedily curtail their powers. India cannot afford to have a parallel justice system, which undoes all the good that was ushered in by our founding fathers. Sadly, consistent genuflection by political parties before people, whose concerns may be contrary to the Indian Constitution, laws and democratic ideal of equality, is to blame for this situation. To cite an instance, the Rajiv Gandhi-headed Government in 1986 stymied an attempt at initiating progressive reforms among Muslims by repealing a Supreme Court verdict, awarding maintenance to Shah Bano, a 70-year-old woman, divorced by her husband. It thus tried to quell their anger over unlocking of the Babri Masjid at Ayodhya on the direction of a Faizabad judge in February 1986. Poor Shah Bano was deprived of maintenance on the grounds that it was unIslamic. 

                                          This policy of appeasement has resulted in the colossal failure to implement a uniform civil code, as per the constitutional directive. While Indian Muslims have the freedom to be governed by their personal laws, these do not always conform to the Sharia’h. For instance, the men can freely marry four times and pronounce divorce simply by uttering talaq thrice, or stating it in a letter or telegram. Yet, under theSharia’h, to marry again, a man has to take formal consent from earlier spouses or spouse. And divorce, in its correct application, is obtained after two periods of reconciliation. None of these rules are observed here, with Muslims implementing their laws according to their own convenience. And, most political parties, through fear of losing their support, do not dare take them on.

                                          But there are limits to appeasement, and the khap panchayats must be expeditiously cut down to size. The gotra system, devised by them, derives from names of villages and landowners. Ancient Hindu gotras derived from the names of the maharishis, considered the original progenitors. Hindu law books worked out an intricate system of marriages. Same gotra alliances were taboo. However, the tyranny unleashed by khap panchayats on the pretext of safeguarding tradition needs to be quelled under threat of severe punishment.
                                           

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                                          Bullet Existance of Serv Khap Panchayat System
                                          By Sunny Maan on 4/23/2010 7:13:04 PM

                                          Ms Ayesha : "Khap panchayats have existed since 600 AD in India and have managed their affairs independent of the law of the land. Historically, they have had standing armies protecting the individual Khaps. A Khap is a unit of territory – traditionally, 84 villages from the same caste. The Sarv Khap Panchayat has 300 subordinate Khaps, controlling roughly 25,000 villages in Haryana, Punjab, Western Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh and Rajasthan."

                                          Bullet Barbarism in the name of upholding 'honor'
                                          By A.Sathyamurthy on 4/21/2010 8:34:39 PM

                                          Though I hate what the villages are trying to do, they have a valid point--a way of avoiding inbreeding that doesn't take place even among wild animals. Is the so called civil code applicable only to Hindus. If a minority community can have its own communal practices that are out of reach of the country's civil laws, why should the same right be denied to the Majority? It will be interesting to see how the 'secular parties and govt' react to the villagers' move.

                                          Bullet gotra syste is scientific not talibanic
                                          By dr vivek arya on 4/18/2010 8:24:24 PM

                                          its a misconception among western media that gotra system is of mediveal times. a stody by scientists from bardford uk had shown that those pakistani muslims who had married within their familes had higher incidence of autosomal recssive diseases than those who made married out of family. the gotra system prevents same family members from marrying thus preventing diseases.

                                          Bullet how can one even think of justifying ppl supporting honor killings
                                          By Ayesha on 4/16/2010 7:58:54 PM

                                          I am surprised to see mr. Ankit's commets. According to what ur calling duties then we should also say Talibanis are doing there duties well and as well as Naxalites killings of 76 soldiers are justified ? And for God sake! there was no Khap 3000 years ago. I feel ashamed of commenting on site where people are justifying barbaric acts. Get well soon u ppl.

                                          Bullet @Gotra system prevents inbreeding and helps avoid genetic diseases
                                          By KK on 4/16/2010 7:49:37 PM

                                          I am a MTech(Genetic Engineering) and what ur supporting through science is complete insensible. The reasons goes here: 
                                          Genetics imposes threat of recessive disorders in cousin marriages. The highest risk is within first cousin. Now if you see pedigree analysis of recessive disorders in which both parents who are cousions are carriers of diseased gene, then the child have ¼ probability of acquiring the disease coz parents have probability that they share upto 50% genes. 



                                          Bullet S-Gotra Marriages.
                                          By P. Joshipura on 4/16/2010 7:17:46 PM

                                          Absolutely, nobody should have any problem if people volunteerily observed the 'wisdom' of not getting mrried in same Gotra, but murdering those who violeted that 'wisdom', can not be tolerated in a civil society.

                                          Bullet Khap Panchayat
                                          By ankit on 4/16/2010 12:36:54 PM

                                          1>gotra of a khap is derived from name of their common ancestor and they respect 
                                          their ancestors more than any kind of rishis or maharishis.
                                          2>if these same gotra marriages are encouraged then anybody cant imagine what
                                          law n order situation actully will be.there would be violence in every street of a
                                          village.
                                          3>khaps were formulated for common interest and they are taking care their duties
                                          very well since 3000 years and back.

                                          Bullet Thank you almighty, In India we are reserved - not casted
                                          By MrGotra on 4/16/2010 11:19:53 AM

                                          Howrah station was unkempt, disorganized and wild when I went there last. I must agree with Ms. Dutt. India is barbaric. Again, a compelling article by Pioneer's ablest - Shah Bano, UCC, Rajiv Gandhi, Women's Reservation, facile antiquated caste leanings, Women's rights, etc. I agree with Ms Dutt that honour killings are bad, but as a divorced spouse of an intra Gotra marriage, being unaware of such intricacies I have to side with the Jats .

                                          Bullet Gotra system prevents inbreeding and helps avoid genetic diseases
                                          By Aam Admi on 4/16/2010 2:44:48 AM

                                          The gotra system developed by great Rishis is highly scientific as it prevents inbreeding resulting in minimizing genetic diseases. The jews and muslims where there is no such code of conduct have lot of genetic diseases due to inbreeding. The wisdom of Khap panchayats must be respected as this stands test of modern science. Consistent with this wisdom, genetic counselling has now become popular in the West to avoid inbreeding.



                                          From: A. Singh <pratyuttar13@...>
                                          To: JatHistory@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Fri, 23 April, 2010 1:07:49 AM
                                          Subject: Re: [JatHistory] Re: Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing

                                           

                                          ONE SHOULDN'T FORGET THAT "HINDU" IS A GENERIC TERM AND ENCOMPASSES A WIDE VARIETY OF PEOPLE FROM DIVERSE SOCIO-ETHNIC AND CULTURAL BACKGROUNDS. .. COUSIN MARRIAGES ARE COMMONLY PRACTISED BY VARIOUS "HINDU" CASTES AND COMMUNITIES, MORE SO IN SOUTH AND CENTRAL INDIA... SO, TO SUGGEST THAT "HINDUISM" PROHIBITS COUSIN OR SAGOTRA MARRIAGES WOULD BE PRESUMPTUOUS. ..

                                          HOWEVER, IN OUR COMMUNITY, SAGOTRA MARRIAGES ARE AKIN TO INCEST. BUT THE INDIAN LAWS DO NOT HAVE ANY SPECIAL PROVISION IN THIS REGARD. SO, LET THE KHAP PANCHAYATS PETITION THE GOVT TO SEEK CHANGES TO THIS EFFECT, AND DESIST FROM TAKING THE LAW IN THEIR OWN HANDS. IF THEY PRESENT A SOUND ARGUMENT, WILL NOT THEIR EFFORTS BEAR FRUIT?

                                          --- On Thu, 22/4/10, ravichaudhary2000 <ravichaudhary2000@ yahoo.com> wrote:

                                          From: ravichaudhary2000 <ravichaudhary2000@ yahoo.com>
                                          Subject: [JatHistory] Re: Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing
                                          To: JatHistory@yahoogro ups.com
                                          Date: Thursday, 22 April, 2010, 3:24 PM

                                           


                                          Killing people over such practices is wrong.

                                          What is also wrong is that the Hindu marriage act permits same gothra marriage, ( i.e cousin marriage) which was forbidden before.

                                          How is this to be reconciled?

                                          Ravi Chaudhary

                                          --- In JatHistory@yahoogro ups.com, Sagar Malik <sagarmalik@ ...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > KARNAL: In a landmark judgement in a Haryana honour killing case, a court
                                          > here on Tuesday awarded capital punishment to five persons and life sentence
                                          > to one for murdering a couple on the diktats of a self-styled community
                                          > panchayat for marrying against societal norms.
                                          >
                                          > Additional District and Sessions Judge Vani Gopal Sharma pronounced the
                                          > sentence after reserving the judgement in the case on Monday. The
                                          > prosecution had termed the case as the "rarest of the rare" and pleaded for
                                          > capital punishment to the six convicts for killing Manoj (23) and Babli
                                          > (19), who hailed from Karora village in Kaithal district and had got married
                                          > on May 18, 2007.
                                          >
                                          > Last Thursday, the court had convicted them for murdering the couple of the
                                          > same 'gotra' (sub-caste) in 2007. Another person was held guilty of
                                          > abduction and the quantum of punishment in his case was also reserved. It is
                                          > the first case in which the boy's family had moved court against the honour
                                          > killing after the 'khap' panchayat (caste-based council) had ruled against
                                          > the couple's marriage.
                                          >
                                          > Those sentenced to death are the girl's brother Suresh, uncles Rajender and
                                          > Baru Ram and her cousins Gurdev and Satish besides leader of the panchayat
                                          > Ganga Raj who was given life imprisonment. A driver Mandeep Singh was
                                          > convicted of kidnapping and awarded a seven year prison term.
                                          >
                                          > Public prosecutor Sunil Rana described the court verdict as landmark
                                          > judgement as khap panchayats "are acting against the law. They are taking
                                          > law into their own hands and despite protection of the courts, innocent
                                          > couples are being murdered".
                                          >
                                          > http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/india/ Khap-Panchyat- Death-sentence- for-5-in- Haryana-honour- killing/articles how/5743038. cms
                                          >
                                          > Thanks & Regards
                                          > Sagar Malik
                                          >




                                        • ymalaiya
                                          Let me share some thoughts on the Having exogamous divisions (termed gotras, baink, kula, khap etc. in India) is a social structure, which has evolved to
                                          Message 20 of 20 , Apr 27, 2010
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                                            Let me share some thoughts on the

                                            Having exogamous divisions (termed gotras, baink, kula, khap etc. in India) is a social structure, which has evolved to discourage inbreeding, which has both genetic and social consequences.

                                            Prohibition of marriage within the same gotra to all practically all Hindu communities all over India. Marriage within the same gotra is regarded to be a from of incest. It is actually found in many regions the world, for example the Chinese clans have been traditionally exogamous (see Marriage and inequality in Chinese society By Rubie Sharon Watson, Patricia Buckley Ebrey). It is found in Africa (Totemism and Exogamy: Totemism,Sir James George Frazer). Even in the western societies, marriage among closely related individuals is considered incest. It is actually a natural instinct, studies have shown that individuals who have lived very closely to each other during childhood, tend to not have sexual attraction to each other.

                                            There is an academic counterpart. Most well established American universities do not hire their own graduates, doing so is termed "academic incest".

                                            Some communities in India have a more complex system. In some those belonging to both father's and mother's gotra are excluded. In a few eight branches are excluded. Among the Brahmins of Mithila (and Bengal), it has been a tradition to consult genealogical records (panji http://cc.1asphost.com/mithila/genealogies.asp) to ensure that marriage within close relatives does not occur.

                                            Exceptions:

                                            The restriction against the same-gotra marriage is self enforced, and thus a non-issue in practically all (perhaps 99.9%) cases.

                                            I have heard of a few situations when exceptions to gotra exogamy occurs. In some communities, the "gotra" is only nominal, the real exogamous divisions are known by a different name.

                                            I have heard that in some cases, groom is symbolically adapted by some other family. By tradition, the gotra transmitted is that of the adaptive father. However in my view, this is improper if done only to avoid the exogamy.

                                            There was a scandal in a major royal family a few years when a princess married someone belonging to the same branch of the same Rajput clan. It was reported in the press that opposition was because the boy was a driver of the family. However I watched video of an interview in which the princess, apparently unaware of the significance of the exogamy, argued that the boy was actually from a respectable family, in fact the same clan. She apparently thought clan is same as the community (caste, an endogamous unit).

                                            Apparently when the girl could not be persuaded, he parents consented to the wedding. The son-less Maharaja eventually adapted one of their daughter's son.

                                            In some cases, the gotra is forgotten when a few family have migrated and have lived in a distant place for a few generations. In such cases, new gotras emerge.

                                            Yashwant

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                                            > i answered the author immediately as i read the above article
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                                            > gotra syste is scientific not talibanic
                                            > By dr vivek arya on 4/18/2010 8:24:24 PM
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                                            > its a misconception among western media that gotra system is of mediveal times. a stody by scientists from bardford uk had shown that those pakistani muslims who had married within their familes had higher incidence of autosomal recssive diseases than those who made married out of family. the gotra system prevents same family members from marrying thus preventing diseases.
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                                            > > http://www.dailypioneer.com/DisplayContent.aspx?ContentID=249474&URLName=Haryana%25u2019s-killer-khaps
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                                            > > Haryana’s killer khaps
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                                            > > Anuradha Dutt
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                                            > > Shameful barbarism in the guise of caste system
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                                            > > Haryana’s khap panchayats, whose writ rules over Jats, are up in arms against the forces of modernity. On Tuesday, 20 khap leaders conferred at a mahapanchayat at Kurukshetra to work out a common strategy for safeguarding their social customs and insulating them against reforms. Village elders resolved to press for an amendment to the Hindu Marriage Act, which would safeguard their right to contract marriages as enjoined by tradition, and presumably punish those who dared flout convention. It was a clear reaction to the growing demand for the Government to clamp down on these bodies, which freely exercise their powers to strike terror in runaway couples that dare to defy their rules.
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                                            > > One khap or cluster of villages, sharing the same gotra or genetic marker, is governed by a common panchayat in social matters. Marriage within the same gotra (genetic marker) or khap is prohibited on the grounds of ‘bhaichara’ or brotherly relations. Violation of the rule usually invites death for the offending couple, while family members are ostracised. To what extent such prejudice hinges on the science of eugenics is not known. But it has served to terminate many young lives, either through murder or forced suicide. A Karnal Sessions Court passed a landmark judgement last month, condemning five people to death for killing Manoj and Babli, who married within the same gotraand village, at the behest of the khap panchayat. Another accused was sentenced to seven years in jail on charges of kidnapping and conspiracy.
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                                            > > The mahapanchayat was hastily convened in order to help the culprits as well as send a message to the Government and courts that the khap panchayats were independent of the laws of the land. These medieval village-level panchayats function as parallel courts, quite likeSharia’h courts in rigid Islamic milieus. They govern social norms and pronounce verdicts, which are in contravention of the modern, equitable laws that post-independence India adopted as a democracy. Though on the development fast-track, Haryana remains completely feudal and patriarchal in terms of attitudes to marriage, inheritance, caste and gender relations. The predominant Jats, as a wealthy farming community, zealously guard their land, females and customs. Exercising control is the key to their social formulations, and khap panchayats serve as instruments towards this end. They are also found in other States, harbouring Jats.
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                                            > > The courts and Government needs to speedily curtail their powers. India cannot afford to have a parallel justice system, which undoes all the good that was ushered in by our founding fathers. Sadly, consistent genuflection by political parties before people, whose concerns may be contrary to the Indian Constitution, laws and democratic ideal of equality, is to blame for this situation. To cite an instance, the Rajiv Gandhi-headed Government in 1986 stymied an attempt at initiating progressive reforms among Muslims by repealing a Supreme Court verdict, awarding maintenance to Shah Bano, a 70-year-old woman, divorced by her husband. It thus tried to quell their anger over unlocking of the Babri Masjid at Ayodhya on the direction of a Faizabad judge in February 1986. Poor Shah Bano was deprived of maintenance on the grounds that it was unIslamic.
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                                            > > This policy of appeasement has resulted in the colossal failure to implement a uniform civil code, as per the constitutional directive. While Indian Muslims have the freedom to be governed by their personal laws, these do not always conform to the Sharia’h. For instance, the men can freely marry four times and pronounce divorce simply by uttering talaq thrice, or stating it in a letter or telegram. Yet, under theSharia’h, to marry again, a man has to take formal consent from earlier spouses or spouse. And divorce, in its correct application, is obtained after two periods of reconciliation. None of these rules are observed here, with Muslims implementing their laws according to their own convenience. And, most political parties, through fear of losing their support, do not dare take them on.
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                                            > > But there are limits to appeasement, and the khap panchayats must be expeditiously cut down to size. The gotra system, devised by them, derives from names of villages and landowners. Ancient Hindu gotras derived from the names of the maharishis, considered the original progenitors. Hindu law books worked out an intricate system of marriages. Same gotra alliances were taboo. However, the tyranny unleashed by khap panchayats on the pretext of safeguarding tradition needs to be quelled under threat of severe punishment.
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                                            > > Existance of Serv Khap Panchayat System
                                            > > By Sunny Maan on 4/23/2010 7:13:04 PM
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                                            > > Ms Ayesha : "Khap panchayats have existed since 600 AD in India and have managed their affairs independent of the law of the land. Historically, they have had standing armies protecting the individual Khaps. A Khap is a unit of territory â€" traditionally, 84 villages from the same caste. The Sarv Khap Panchayat has 300 subordinate Khaps, controlling roughly 25,000 villages in Haryana, Punjab, Western Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh and Rajasthan."
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                                            > > Barbarism in the name of upholding 'honor'
                                            > > By A.Sathyamurthy on 4/21/2010 8:34:39 PM
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                                            > > Though I hate what the villages are trying to do, they have a valid point--a way of avoiding inbreeding that doesn't take place even among wild animals. Is the so called civil code applicable only to Hindus. If a minority community can have its own communal practices that are out of reach of the country's civil laws, why should the same right be denied to the Majority? It will be interesting to see how the 'secular parties and govt' react to the villagers' move.
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                                            > > gotra syste is scientific not talibanic
                                            > > By dr vivek arya on 4/18/2010 8:24:24 PM
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                                            > > its a misconception among western media that gotra system is of mediveal times. a stody by scientists from bardford uk had shown that those pakistani muslims who had married within their familes had higher incidence of autosomal recssive diseases than those who made married out of family. the gotra system prevents same family members from marrying thus preventing diseases.
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                                            > > how can one even think of justifying ppl supporting honor killings
                                            > > By Ayesha on 4/16/2010 7:58:54 PM
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                                            > > I am surprised to see mr. Ankit's commets. According to what ur calling duties then we should also say Talibanis are doing there duties well and as well as Naxalites killings of 76 soldiers are justified ? And for God sake! there was no Khap 3000 years ago. I feel ashamed of commenting on site where people are justifying barbaric acts. Get well soon u ppl.
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                                            > > @Gotra system prevents inbreeding and helps avoid genetic diseases
                                            > > By KK on 4/16/2010 7:49:37 PM
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                                            > > I am a MTech(Genetic Engineering) and what ur supporting through science is complete insensible. The reasons goes here:
                                            > > Genetics imposes threat of recessive disorders in cousin marriages. The highest risk is within first cousin. Now if you see pedigree analysis of recessive disorders in which both parents who are cousions are carriers of diseased gene, then the child have ¼ probability of acquiring the disease coz parents have probability that they share upto 50% genes.
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                                            > > S-Gotra Marriages.
                                            > > By P. Joshipura on 4/16/2010 7:17:46 PM
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                                            > > Absolutely, nobody should have any problem if people volunteerily observed the 'wisdom' of not getting mrried in same Gotra, but murdering those who violeted that 'wisdom', can not be tolerated in a civil society.
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                                            > > Khap Panchayat
                                            > > By ankit on 4/16/2010 12:36:54 PM
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                                            > > 1>gotra of a khap is derived from name of their common ancestor and they respect
                                            > > their ancestors more than any kind of rishis or maharishis.
                                            > > 2>if these same gotra marriages are encouraged then anybody cant imagine what
                                            > > law n order situation actully will be.there would be violence in every street of a
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                                            > > 3>khaps were formulated for common interest and they are taking care their duties
                                            > > very well since 3000 years and back.
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                                            > > Thank you almighty, In India we are reserved - not casted
                                            > > By MrGotra on 4/16/2010 11:19:53 AM
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                                            > > Howrah station was unkempt, disorganized and wild when I went there last. I must agree with Ms. Dutt. India is barbaric. Again, a compelling article by Pioneer's ablest - Shah Bano, UCC, Rajiv Gandhi, Women's Reservation, facile antiquated caste leanings, Women's rights, etc. I agree with Ms Dutt that honour killings are bad, but as a divorced spouse of an intra Gotra marriage, being unaware of such intricacies I have to side with the Jats .
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                                            > > Gotra system prevents inbreeding and helps avoid genetic diseases
                                            > > By Aam Admi on 4/16/2010 2:44:48 AM
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                                            > > The gotra system developed by great Rishis is highly scientific as it prevents inbreeding resulting in minimizing genetic diseases. The jews and muslims where there is no such code of conduct have lot of genetic diseases due to inbreeding. The wisdom of Khap panchayats must be respected as this stands test of modern science. Consistent with this wisdom, genetic counselling has now become popular in the West to avoid inbreeding.
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                                            > > Subject: Re: [JatHistory] Re: Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing
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                                            > > ONE SHOULDN'T FORGET THAT "HINDU" IS A GENERIC TERM AND ENCOMPASSES A WIDE VARIETY OF PEOPLE FROM DIVERSE SOCIO-ETHNIC AND CULTURAL BACKGROUNDS. .. COUSIN MARRIAGES ARE COMMONLY PRACTISED BY VARIOUS "HINDU" CASTES AND COMMUNITIES, MORE SO IN SOUTH AND CENTRAL INDIA... SO, TO SUGGEST THAT "HINDUISM" PROHIBITS COUSIN OR SAGOTRA MARRIAGES WOULD BE PRESUMPTUOUS. ..
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                                            > > HOWEVER, IN OUR COMMUNITY, SAGOTRA MARRIAGES ARE AKIN TO INCEST. BUT THE INDIAN LAWS DO NOT HAVE ANY SPECIAL PROVISION IN THIS REGARD. SO, LET THE KHAP PANCHAYATS PETITION THE GOVT TO SEEK CHANGES TO THIS EFFECT, AND DESIST FROM TAKING THE LAW IN THEIR OWN HANDS. IF THEY PRESENT A SOUND ARGUMENT, WILL NOT THEIR EFFORTS BEAR FRUIT?
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                                            > > --- On Thu, 22/4/10, ravichaudhary2000 <ravichaudhary2000@ yahoo.com> wrote:
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                                            > > >Subject: [JatHistory] Re: Khap Panchyat: Death sentence for 5 in Haryana honour killing
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                                            > > >>Killing people over such practices is wrong.
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                                            > > >>What is also wrong is that the Hindu marriage act permits same gothra marriage, ( i.e cousin marriage) which was forbidden before.
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                                            > > >>How is this to be reconciled?
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                                            > > >>--- In JatHistory@yahoogro ups.com, Sagar Malik <sagarmalik@ ...> wrote:
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                                            > > >>> KARNAL: In a landmark judgement in a Haryana honour killing case, a court
                                            > > >>> here on Tuesday awarded capital punishment to five persons and life sentence
                                            > > >>> to one for murdering a couple on the diktats of a self-styled community
                                            > > >>> panchayat for marrying against societal norms.
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                                            > > >>> Additional District and Sessions Judge Vani Gopal Sharma pronounced the
                                            > > >>> sentence after reserving the judgement in the case on Monday. The
                                            > > >>> prosecution had termed the case as the "rarest of the rare" and pleaded for
                                            > > >>> capital punishment to the six convicts for killing Manoj (23) and Babli
                                            > > >>> (19), who hailed from Karora village in Kaithal district and had got married
                                            > > >>> on May 18, 2007.
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                                            > > >>> Last Thursday, the court had convicted them for murdering the couple of the
                                            > > >>> same 'gotra' (sub-caste) in 2007. Another person was held guilty of
                                            > > >>> abduction and the quantum of punishment in his case was also reserved. It is
                                            > > >>> the first case in which the boy's family had moved court against the honour
                                            > > >>> killing after the 'khap' panchayat (caste-based council) had ruled against
                                            > > >>> the couple's marriage.
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                                            > > >>> Those sentenced to death are the girl's brother Suresh, uncles Rajender and
                                            > > >>> Baru Ram and her cousins Gurdev and Satish besides leader of the panchayat
                                            > > >>> Ganga Raj who was given life imprisonment. A driver Mandeep Singh was
                                            > > >>> convicted of kidnapping and awarded a seven year prison term.
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                                            > > >>> Public prosecutor Sunil Rana described the court verdict as landmark
                                            > > >>> judgement as khap panchayats "are acting against the law. They are taking
                                            > > >>> law into their own hands and despite protection of the courts, innocent
                                            > > >>> couples are being murdered".
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                                            > > >>> http://timesofindia .indiatimes. com/india/ Khap-Panchyat- Death-sentence- for-5-in- Haryana-honour- killing/articles how/5743038. cms
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                                            > > >>> Thanks & Regards
                                            > > >>> Sagar Malik
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