Strategies for updating Wikipedia etc
- -- In JatHistory@yahoogroups.com, "JD Singh (Rathi)" <jais_99@...> wrote:
This is a great idea!
May I suggest we also look at having a strategy for
updating Wikipedia (open encyclopedia) items relating
to Jats, Rajputs, vedic civlization etc. Wikipedia can
be modified by anyone and rapidly gaining recognition
as a source of information for casual surfers of the net.
>This is another good idea, which needs following up on, in a
Luxman Burdakji has (almost single-handedly) been writing up articles,
and engaging with other posters on Wikipedia, who have been trying to
enforce their own versions.
The other problem with Wikipedia is , that any one updates it.
This is a problem and an opportunity.
A problem, because a lot of baseless junk gets written up, and usually
a revert war ensues.
At present the Jat page, is a good example.
We now have one John Hill, for example reverting the information, and
substituting his own-, which is based on Colonial 18th century
perceptions, and his views are unsupported by data from the Indians
or the Jats in particular.
In his case, 18th century opinions of missionaries, are preferable, to
hard data from the Jat records
The Jats one may suggest, would know a little more about their
History, than some colonial missionary or bureaucrat.
Here is an immediate case, where one needs to deal with posters with
their own agenda.
The strategy t o deal with this is necessary. It comes later though,
and separately, or rather simultaneously.
We still need to our foundations in solid order too.
Without solid foundations there is no point in making posts, and
writing up articles that will not stand the glare of critical analysis.
We need more than just a few contributors carrying the flag.
Help is needed
- Ravi ji
Is this man John Hill, who is writing this all bullshit about Jat
Sahasi ruler as Rajput... and brahman as some one better than Jats in
social structure in that period ,the facts were just reverse and well
Is their some ambiguity ?????
If so let us clear his or any body's confusion regarding that once
and for all.
From wiki Jat page...
The line of rulership before Islam runs: Siharus, Raja Sahasi II,
Chach, Raja Dahir. The first two were Buddhist Rajputs and the last
two Hindu Brahmins.There is a difference of opinion among historians
concerning the social dynamic between the Jatts and the Brahmins.Some
historians suggest that the relationship was an adversarial one, with
Brahmins using their high caste status to exploit and oppress the
Jatts, Meds and Buddhists, who formed the bulk of the peasantry .
According to a quote by historian U.T Thakkur, "When Chach, the
Brahmim chamberlain who usurped the throne of Rajput King Sahasi II
went to Brahmanabad, he enjoined upon the Jats and Lohanas not to
carry swords, avoid velvet or silken cloth, ride horses without
saddles and walk about bare-headed and bare-footed" .
--- In JatHistory@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chaudhary"
> At present the Jat page, is a good example.and
> We now have one John Hill, for example reverting the information,
> substituting his own-, which is based on Colonial 18th century
> Help is needed
> Ravi Chaudhary.
- --- In JatHistory@yahoogroups.com, "kharbnarender" <kharbnarender@...>
> Ravi ji
> Is this man John Hill,
NO its not John hill who s doing this w\writing.
Wikipedia is being edited by myriads of persons.
To track down who did a particular edit, you would have to go into the
`History' section of the article, which tells you the date of change,
and the author, and allows you to compare the earlier and later versions.
John Hill is basically a good scholar. He has translated a Chinese
The Western Regions according to the Hou Hanshu
The Xiyu juan
"Chapter on the Western Regions"
from Hou Hanshu 88
Unfortunately he has got so enamored with those manuscripts that he
has started to believe them to be the gospel truth.
There is a difference between making a translation, and then
reinterpreting the \translation
I have invited him to this group to present his arguments.
He will be a welcome and useful member
Hopefully he will join.