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  • ask34amin@aol.com
    In a message dated 12/1/2007 1:13:27 AM Central Standard Time, ... Dear Prof R. K. Gupta: One has to accept that under 60 years of ignorant Mafia rule, noting
    Message 1 of 4 , Dec 1, 2007
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      In a message dated 12/1/2007 1:13:27 AM Central Standard Time, cityju@... writes:

      have been writing and demanding tripling of judges across the
      board in all courts from lower courts to Supreme court for next 10
      years so that time for trial to final appeal is reduced like USA
      to 6 months to 12 months for criminal and 1 year to 2 years for
      civil cases


      Dear Prof R. K. Gupta:

      One has to accept that under 60 years of ignorant Mafia rule, noting good has been achieved by them.  If you want to see a better India and a good capable court system, the only one n our nation can deliver your dream is Moral India Mission.

      One has to accept that a rotten, evil governance can only deliver germs that has rotted our Mother India, and is on a death bed.




      Arvind Amin
      ask34amin@...




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    • Ajit M. Patel
      MY RECENT EXPERIENCE HAS PROVED THAT THE JUDICIARY SYSTEM IN INDIA IS HIGHLY CORRUPT. BEFORE ONLY POLICE OFFICERS AND SOME GOVT. EMPLOYEES WERE TAKING BRIBES.
      Message 2 of 4 , Dec 8, 2007
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        MY RECENT EXPERIENCE HAS PROVED THAT THE JUDICIARY SYSTEM IN INDIA IS HIGHLY CORRUPT. BEFORE ONLY POLICE OFFICERS AND SOME GOVT. EMPLOYEES WERE TAKING BRIBES. BUT NOT JUDGES ARE FORCING COMMONT PEOPLE TO PAY OTHERWISE THEIR WILL BE PURSPOSELY DELAYED AND MAY NOT EVEN GET DONE EVENTHOUGH YOU HAVE NOT ASKED FOR ANY FAVOR AND MAKING SOME ILLEGITIMATE CHANGES TO JUDGE!  
         
        THIS RULING UPA GOVT. IS ONLY WORRIED ABOUT TO STAY IN POWER. THEY JUDICIARY SYSTEM IS COMPLETELY COLLPASED IN INDIA.
         


         
        ----- Original Message ----
        From: Prof R K Gupta-India <cityju@...>
        To: india-force@yahoogroups.com; branded_indian@yahoogroups.com; issuesonline_worldwide@yahoogroups.com; indianjustice@yahoogroups.com; voiceofindiagroup@...; jodhpurclub@yahoogroups.com; loksatta_initiative@yahoogroups.com; cyberfriendsgroup@yahoogroups.com; mumbaihangout@yahoogroups.com; maitri@...; rkgupta-mailer@yahoogroups.com; Dil-Maange-More@yahoogroups.com; saksham@yahoogroups.com; indiathinkersnet@yahoogroups.com; future-of-india@yahoogroups.com; powerupindiagroup@yahoogroups.com
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        Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2007 12:20:21 AM
        Subject: [India-Force] Indian Administrative & Judicial system and rhetoric !

        I have been writing and demanding tripling of judges across the
        board in all courts from lower courts to Supreme court for next 10
        years so that time for trial to final appeal is reduced like USA
        to 6 months to 12 months for criminal and 1 year to 2 years for
        civil cases.
        I have also been suggesting putting a judicial cess on citizens to
        fund the process and to increase court fee from silly Rs 5 to Rs
        50 at least.

        On the other hand the courts charge huge fees recovery suits thus
        actually punishing the aggrieved litigant rather than helping him
        or her. This must be reduced to 0.1% of recovery amount to the
        maximum.

        Courts are not to earn money. There is no logic or justification
        in doing that.

        Then comes the question of judges postponing the dates repeatedly
        despite amendment of CPC. Such bad judges who break law should be
        kicked out immediately from judiciary. The judicial
        unaccountability and corruption has reached a new peak.

        Then even if a decree is issue for recovery or for execution of
        some order neither private citizens nor babus care. If decree
        having a time for obeying it in order itself is not honored the
        person should be arrested and put behind bars and his or her
        property confiscated immediately. The person can come out of jail
        only after execution of court order.

        In India in present form Indian judiciary is totally fraudulent
        and source of indignation and harassment to law abiding citizens
        and tool of encouragement to corrupt and criminals.

        Now CJI himself has come out with a figure of 180 Crores required
        to beef up judiciary and clear backlog.
        But salary he has kept Rs 15000 is too low and absurd for
        competent judges.

        Let us make it double. Rs 350 crores. This is peanuts and can be
        financed by union govt and state government 50-50. CJI must pass
        order to union of India and state governments to comply with
        orders in 6 months time.

        Action is required and not talks.

        The lawyers are most unprofessional and mafia networked persons in
        India who are main source of exploitation and harassment & delays.
        As they themselves supervise no action is taken against lawyers.
        Their fees must be fixed and every 3 years their license should be
        renewed after merit test and going through complaints of citizens
        against them.
        This free for all must stop. Huge penalties should be levied on
        lawyers to stop their cheating ,exploitation and delaying cases
        and spooling cases.

        In other words entire integrated judicial reforms are required
        immediately.

        Policemen must be brought under law of torts and made responsible
        for each case registered and their promotions and continuing inn
        service must be based on complaints against them and their
        performance.
        Their rights must be severely curtailed.

        It is time IAS,IPS type officers, judges and lawyers start
        behaving. They have had enough fun on British Raj model for 60
        years exploiting and harassing and making fun of citizens of
        India.

        People must write to CJI ,PM and President to demand above
        suggested actions and in time frame.

        There has to be strong law and order in country for success of
        democracy .Today it is fraudocracy or mobocracy.

        It is high time President of India, PM,CJI ,governors and CMs type
        guys understand that they are mere public servants and not masters
        .British have gone 60 years back and they must fall in democratic
        mould or get ready for severe consequences in form of dignity loss
        of their offices and civil war in country in coming times.

        Hiding behind commandos and khaki clad policemen is not a
        solution. How long they will do like this. Have they ever
        analysed. It is their administrative fauilure, lax judiciary and
        rampant corruption that has created bad situation. Merely blaming
        terrorists is not solution.
        The government should feel ashamed on not able to control its
        working and working of police and lawyers etc to have fair and
        cheap justice in country and development environment. Every body
        is out on corruption. Naked display is going on. If the
        politicians, babus and judges don't listen and start behaving
        ,they will face serious problems in coming times as internet and
        information technology will completely change situation.
        It is also high time to withdraw palatial houses of collectors and
        commissioners etc and put them in2BHK and 3 BHK houses and provide
        car loands.I ndia cant afford British luxury even after 60 years
        of freedom ,And why should we? It is illogical and absurd.

        Each state must have a citizens council with branches in all
        divisional headquarters to listen to complaints against all
        ministers and babus of all ranks from class II up to CM and take
        saturn action including dismissal ,huge penalties, jail term and
        demotion or freezing promotions and salaries. This penal must have
        60% private eminent citizens,20% judges or very senior advocates
        and rest senior babus having flawless record.

        The time limit for all complain ts processing should be 3 months
        maximum.

        It is time The IAS,IPS and state cadres officials are given
        marching order out of office and in jail where found necessary.

        Just go and visit any IAS or IPS officer and see the sheer luxury
        ad waste of men and money and British opulence and sheer
        arrogance of these guys as if by passing some stupid examination
        they have obliged the nation and now have right to bleed society
        for 40 years without anyone questioning them. They must learn
        humility and realise they are just servants appointed on salaries
        and can be kicked out or jailed
        They are welcome to quit if they find jobs unttractive. We cant
        afford to spend Rs 1 lac on a collector or IG every month.

        Each government official must demonstrate output and meet
        stringent targets. Government jobs are not for pensions and
        resting for 40 years at public cost and enjoy corruption bribes
        facilities as if the nation owes them .

        How long shall we wait.

        Reforms must start now and quick.

        Prof R K GUpta
        indiaforce.org




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      • Panna Lal Nawalkha
        BASED ON MY EXPERIENCES,I DO AGREE WITH YOU DR.P.L.NAWALKHA ... From: Ajit M. Patel To: India-Force@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, 9
        Message 3 of 4 , Dec 10, 2007
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          BASED ON MY EXPERIENCES,I DO AGREE WITH YOU
           
          DR.P.L.NAWALKHA


          ----- Original Message ----
          From: Ajit M. Patel <amp7292002@...>
          To: India-Force@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Sunday, 9 December, 2007 2:32:14 AM
          Subject: Re: [India-Force] Indian Administrative & Judicial system and rhetoric !

          MY RECENT EXPERIENCE HAS PROVED THAT THE JUDICIARY SYSTEM IN INDIA IS HIGHLY CORRUPT. BEFORE ONLY POLICE OFFICERS AND SOME GOVT. EMPLOYEES WERE TAKING BRIBES. BUT NOT JUDGES ARE FORCING COMMONT PEOPLE TO PAY OTHERWISE THEIR WILL BE PURSPOSELY DELAYED AND MAY NOT EVEN GET DONE EVENTHOUGH YOU HAVE NOT ASKED FOR ANY FAVOR AND MAKING SOME ILLEGITIMATE CHANGES TO JUDGE!  
           
          THIS RULING UPA GOVT. IS ONLY WORRIED ABOUT TO STAY IN POWER. THEY JUDICIARY SYSTEM IS COMPLETELY COLLPASED IN INDIA.
           


           
          ----- Original Message ----
          From: Prof R K Gupta-India <cityju@rediffmail. com>
          To: india-force@ yahoogroups. com; branded_indian@ yahoogroups. com; issuesonline_ worldwide@ yahoogroups. com; indianjustice@ yahoogroups. com; voiceofindiagroup@ yahoogroups. co.in; jodhpurclub@ yahoogroups. com; loksatta_initiative @yahoogroups. com; cyberfriendsgroup@ yahoogroups. com; mumbaihangout@ yahoogroups. com; maitri@yahoogroups. co..in; rkgupta-mailer@ yahoogroups. com; Dil-Maange-More@ yahoogroups. com; saksham@yahoogroups .com; indiathinkersnet@ yahoogroups. com; future-of-india@ yahoogroups. com; powerupindiagroup@ yahoogroups. com
          Cc: teachers-guild@ yahoogroups. com
          Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2007 12:20:21 AM
          Subject: [India-Force] Indian Administrative & Judicial system and rhetoric !

          I have been writing and demanding tripling of judges across the
          board in all courts from lower courts to Supreme court for next 10
          years so that time for trial to final appeal is reduced like USA
          to 6 months to 12 months for criminal and 1 year to 2 years for
          civil cases.
          I have also been suggesting putting a judicial cess on citizens to
          fund the process and to increase court fee from silly Rs 5 to Rs
          50 at least.

          On the other hand the courts charge huge fees recovery suits thus
          actually punishing the aggrieved litigant rather than helping him
          or her. This must be reduced to 0.1% of recovery amount to the
          maximum.

          Courts are not to earn money. There is no logic or justification
          in doing that.

          Then comes the question of judges postponing the dates repeatedly
          despite amendment of CPC. Such bad judges who break law should be
          kicked out immediately from judiciary. The judicial
          unaccountability and corruption has reached a new peak.

          Then even if a decree is issue for recovery or for execution of
          some order neither private citizens nor babus care. If decree
          having a time for obeying it in order itself is not honored the
          person should be arrested and put behind bars and his or her
          property confiscated immediately. The person can come out of jail
          only after execution of court order.

          In India in present form Indian judiciary is totally fraudulent
          and source of indignation and harassment to law abiding citizens
          and tool of encouragement to corrupt and criminals.

          Now CJI himself has come out with a figure of 180 Crores required
          to beef up judiciary and clear backlog.
          But salary he has kept Rs 15000 is too low and absurd for
          competent judges.

          Let us make it double. Rs 350 crores. This is peanuts and can be
          financed by union govt and state government 50-50. CJI must pass
          order to union of India and state governments to comply with
          orders in 6 months time.

          Action is required and not talks.

          The lawyers are most unprofessional and mafia networked persons in
          India who are main source of exploitation and harassment & delays.
          As they themselves supervise no action is taken against lawyers.
          Their fees must be fixed and every 3 years their license should be
          renewed after merit test and going through complaints of citizens
          against them.
          This free for all must stop. Huge penalties should be levied on
          lawyers to stop their cheating ,exploitation and delaying cases
          and spooling cases.

          In other words entire integrated judicial reforms are required
          immediately.

          Policemen must be brought under law of torts and made responsible
          for each case registered and their promotions and continuing inn
          service must be based on complaints against them and their
          performance.
          Their rights must be severely curtailed.

          It is time IAS,IPS type officers, judges and lawyers start
          behaving. They have had enough fun on British Raj model for 60
          years exploiting and harassing and making fun of citizens of
          India.

          People must write to CJI ,PM and President to demand above
          suggested actions and in time frame.

          There has to be strong law and order in country for success of
          democracy .Today it is fraudocracy or mobocracy.

          It is high time President of India, PM,CJI ,governors and CMs type
          guys understand that they are mere public servants and not masters
          .British have gone 60 years back and they must fall in democratic
          mould or get ready for severe consequences in form of dignity loss
          of their offices and civil war in country in coming times.

          Hiding behind commandos and khaki clad policemen is not a
          solution. How long they will do like this. Have they ever
          analysed. It is their administrative fauilure, lax judiciary and
          rampant corruption that has created bad situation. Merely blaming
          terrorists is not solution.
          The government should feel ashamed on not able to control its
          working and working of police and lawyers etc to have fair and
          cheap justice in country and development environment. Every body
          is out on corruption. Naked display is going on. If the
          politicians, babus and judges don't listen and start behaving
          ,they will face serious problems in coming times as internet and
          information technology will completely change situation.
          It is also high time to withdraw palatial houses of collectors and
          commissioners etc and put them in2BHK and 3 BHK houses and provide
          car loands.I ndia cant afford British luxury even after 60 years
          of freedom ,And why should we? It is illogical and absurd.

          Each state must have a citizens council with branches in all
          divisional headquarters to listen to complaints against all
          ministers and babus of all ranks from class II up to CM and take
          saturn action including dismissal ,huge penalties, jail term and
          demotion or freezing promotions and salaries. This penal must have
          60% private eminent citizens,20% judges or very senior advocates
          and rest senior babus having flawless record.

          The time limit for all complain ts processing should be 3 months
          maximum.

          It is time The IAS,IPS and state cadres officials are given
          marching order out of office and in jail where found necessary.

          Just go and visit any IAS or IPS officer and see the sheer luxury
          ad waste of men and money and British opulence and sheer
          arrogance of these guys as if by passing some stupid examination
          they have obliged the nation and now have right to bleed society
          for 40 years without anyone questioning them. They must learn
          humility and realise they are just servants appointed on salaries
          and can be kicked out or jailed
          They are welcome to quit if they find jobs unttractive. We cant
          afford to spend Rs 1 lac on a collector or IG every month.

          Each government official must demonstrate output and meet
          stringent targets. Government jobs are not for pensions and
          resting for 40 years at public cost and enjoy corruption bribes
          facilities as if the nation owes them .

          How long shall we wait.

          Reforms must start now and quick.

          Prof R K GUpta
          indiaforce.org




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