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  • Rabinder Koul
    Jan 21, 2014
      Devinder Ji; 
      It is a shame that while there is enough documentation about the English rule in India, in particular some of it coming from the correspondence between British officials, you are speculating based on some hear say. In articular if the elders are saying in comparison to the loot Congi has spread, since taking over power from British. Is it so difficult to study a little and then write a more cogent note or response based on evidence? I understand your psychological compulsion of glorifying our ears while masters, beaus elf the inferiority complex that is introduced by the British education among Indian student. But at learn tom your masters to do study on the topic of you discourse. Or may be you are confusing English literacy with subject knowledge. A common malady of all English educated Indians>
       
      Ravindra Koul
      अस्मद्रूपसमाविष्ठ: स्वात्मनात्मानिवारणे 
      शिव: करोतु निजया नम: शक्त्या ततात्मने 





      On Jan 21, 2014, at 11:42 AM, devinder.thakur@... wrote:

      Whether they have a right to rule or not, the fact is that they have ruled us (the noble and enlightened Indians) for almost two hundred years. One can dare say that they were fair, in their treatment and management and ensured the rule of law and order . Those of our elders who are still alive remember their rule with some nostalgia.  Devinder
      From: vasant sardesai <vasant_sardesai@...
      To: Janshakti@yahoogroups.com
      Cc: Rabinder Koul <RavindraKKoul@...>
      Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2014, 15:02
      Subject: Re: [Janshakti] On Teesta and herLies in courts...
       
      You are right;it appears that these sycophants feel that white European race has inherentright to rule over India irrspective of they being cultured and educated or not.
       
      V. S. Sardesai

      From: Rabinder Koul <ravindrakkoul@...>
      To: Janshakti@yahoogroups.com
      Cc: Rabinder Koul <RavindraKKoul@...>; "Janshakti@yahoogroups.com" <Janshakti@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Monday, 20 January 2014 8:38 PM
      Subject: Re: [Janshakti] On Teesta and herLies in courts...

       
      I think one should be fair to Coconut Mani. His comment regarding humber origin of Indian Tea Vendor is not about humble Origins, it is about Skin Color. After all he is quite comfortable with the humble origins of barmaid in his own party, But she is white and has inherited right to rule India.
      Ravindra Koul
      अस्मद्रूपसमाविष्ठ: स्वात्मनात्मानिवारणे 
      शिव: करोतु निजया नम: शक्त्या ततात्मने 


      On Jan 20, 2014, at 9:33 AM, vasant sardesai <vasant_sardesai@...> wrote:
      What should apply to all politicians across the board? Is this not a destortion of the issues? Thank God you said it in respect of tea vending only and did not extend it to bars  to be opened  and selling hard drinks there as your boss is an ex barmaid.
       
      V.S.Sardesai 

      From: "devinder.thakur@..." <devinder.thakur@...>
      To: "Janshakti@yahoogroups.com" <Janshakti@yahoogroups.com>
      Cc: Rabinder Koul <RavindraKKoul@...>
      Sent: Monday, 20 January 2014 3:37 PM
      Subject: Re: [Janshakti] On Teesta and herLies in courts...

       
      This should apply to all politician across the board whether it is a looting barmaid of Italian origin or her rapist son or an ex indigenous tea vendor . By the way, tea vending is now the most coveted and respected profession in India and there will be tea stalls in every nook and cornet of the country displaying an insignia "By appointment by the President of India".  Devinder
      From: vasant sardesai <vasant_sardesai@...>
      To: Janshakti@yahoogroups.com
      Cc: Rabinder Koul <RavindraKKoul@...>
      Sent: Sunday, 19 January 2014, 17:54
      Subject: Re: [Janshakti] On Teesta and herLies in courts...
       
      Were you really discussing politicians in general? Then why did you refer to the prime ministerial candidate  nominated by the second  biggest political party and attributed to him derogatary attributes? Were you in your senses when you attributed to him such attributes, if, as you say, you were dicussing politicians in general? And then call my reply as too childish?It appears that you have become too desparate and mad to know what you are writing. It is you who is giving childish and irrelevant answers, may be because it is inconvenient to you to answer.
       
      V.S.Sardesai .   

      From: "devinder.thakur@..." <devinder.thakur@...>
      To: Janshakti@yahoogroups.com
      Cc: Rabinder Koul <RavindraKKoul@...>
      Sent: Saturday, 18 January 2014 10:23 PM
      Subject: Re: [Janshakti] On Teesta and herLies in courts...

       
      There is need to talk of specifics backed by data for a serious debate.

      Conferring adjectives on others that may look derogatory to be avoided if one does not want to be awarded similar adjectives and that will add anarchy in debate.
       
      Moderator
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      We were discussing our politicians in general term and out attitude towards them. Your reply is too childish or non serious for any kind of response/  Devinder
      From: vasant sardesai
      To: Janshakti@yahoogroups.com
      Cc: Rabinder Koul
      Sent: Friday, 17 January 2014, 15:04
      Subject: Re: [Janshakti] On Teesta and herLies in courts...
       
      The real question is whether the person who has been projected by a party as its prime ministerial candidate really carry a considerable bagage of anamolies arisingout of his day to day running of the state, ot is contraversial, divisive and authoritarian or his knowledge of world affairs is suspect,or ishe being projected like this by the enemies of the nation and by sycophants of the dynasty like you out of prejudice and malice and biasis and to ensure that the looters of the nation to loot the country further by spreading such canards about him? It appears that it is out of desperation that  you are charging his supporters for lack of maturity and good political sense and the electorate for not raising such irrelevant and unfounded questions.
      By the way, if you are really objecting to any one abusing him or mocking his humble background as a tea vendor, then why are you raising it yourself in almost all your writings?
       
      V.S.Sardesai 

      From: "devinder.thakur@..."
      To: Janshakti@yahoogroups.com
      Cc: Rabinder Koul
      Sent: Friday, 17 January 2014 2:58 PM
      Subject: Re: [Janshakti] On Teesta and herLies in courts...

       
      I do not think it is a question of being prejudice against one state or its government. or being silent and vocal about its failings and achievements or just turn the face in another direction when any question is raised about its methods of operation, .right or wrong.

      Let us face it the country's second biggest political party is projecting a person as its prime ministerial candidate who carries a considerable baggage of anomalies arising out of his day to day running of the state who is controversial, divisive and authoritarian whose knowledge of history and the world affairs is suspect. Do you think the electorate has the right to know who they choose for the next five years to run the country. So if any one dares raise any question, it is better to ponder over the question rather than shut h/her up as being disrespectful towards your most beloved political icon. I think it is sheer lack of maturity and good political sense on the part of the supporters, but more importantly on the part of the electorate not to raise these questions.

      What I would most certainly object to is any one abusing him or using insulting language or mocking his humble background as a tea vendor as we have been doing to the barmaid of the Italian origin or the character assassination of her son as the rapist of the year.. Regards .   Devinder
      From: vasant sardesai
      To: Janshakti@yahoogroups.com
      Cc: Rabinder Koul
      Sent: Friday, 17 January 2014, 6:03
      Subject: Re: [Janshakti] On Teesta and herLies in courts...
       
      The Moderator is right. And the question is why should one pass unnecessary and uncalled for comments against the Magistrate and the Gujarat government without any basis only because one is prejudiced against someone?
       
      V. S.Sardesai  

      From: "devinder.thakur@..."
      To: Janshakti@yahoogroups.com
      Cc: Rabinder Koul
      Sent: Thursday, 16 January 2014 10:47 PM
      Subject: Re: [Janshakti] On Teesta and herLies in courts...

       
      Now same arguments are being repeated again and again with speculations and twisting judicial rulings.

      When court gives judgement, one can go to higher court for review of  the judgement of lower court.

      Until higher court changes the order of lower court the judgement of lower court prevails.

      Why speculate with out seeing actual order?  


      Moderator
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      It is not my view but what is the law of the land. Let the law take its course. There is an appeals procedure. Zakia Jaffri was unsuccessful to even register a case in Gujarat until she moved the SC. All this is happening under the very eyes of the Supreme Court. So let not try and foreclose the issue. By the way, the Ishrat Jehan case went through the same fate. For four years the police just would not register a case until the family went to the Supreme Court. Now the CBI is putting together a case under the supervision of the Gujarat High Court and direction of the Supreme Court.  Devinder
      From: a d
      To: Janshakti@yahoogroups.com
      Cc: Rabinder Koul
      Sent: Thursday, 16 January 2014, 15:21
      Subject: Re: [Janshakti] On Teesta and herLies in courts...
       
      First issue is that until unless court agree with me,I will not accept yr. verdict.That is the view
      of Mr.devinder and Madam.why waste energy,space,let us wait for the final verdict.
      s.asim

      From: "devinder.thakur@..."
      To: Janshakti@yahoogroups.com
      Cc: Rabinder Koul
      Sent: Thursday, 16 January 2014 5:39 PM
      Subject: Re: [Janshakti] On Teesta and herLies in courts...

       
      Now the court of Ahmedabad Metropolitan Magistrate , after going thru all documents and hearing all, had adjugated and given his verdict on Zaffari's appeal, the verdict must be respected..

      Same had been posted and in this forum. Let us not go on repeating it again and again.

      Moderator
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      The SIT has said that there was no enough prosecutable evidence again N Modi to achieve a conviction. It can not be called a clean chit by any stretch of the imagination.The amicus Curiae sharply disagreed with the SIT's finding and told the SC that enough evidence exists against N Modi for a successful prosecution. Teesta is a just an NGO helping the riot victims who believe that they have not received justice for their suffering and the loss of their near and dear ones.

      I remember a case in which police drop the charges against some accused for lack of evidence. I took out a private prosecution and won the case and obtained conviction. It I well nigh impossible for a magistrate sitting in Gujarat giving an anti Modi verdict. So one has to wait until the next step, if there is indeed a next step. The problem is that that ten years is a long enough period within which a head of the state can systematically and successfully destroy vital evidence against himself Devinder
      From: Bhalchandra Thattey
      To: Janshakti@yahoogroups.com
      Cc: Rabinder Koul
      Sent: Thursday, 16 January 2014, 9:10
      Subject: Re: [Janshakti] On Teesta and herLies in courts...
       
      From this article one can surmise that objective Teesta and her male companion Javed Anand is to collect as much money from Saudi Arabia and Congress (which is living the mortal fear of Narendra Modi.)  
      Bhalchandra G. Thattey
      Shubham Bhavatu
       
      Maitri, Karuna, Mudita, Upeksha
      Chitta_Prasadanam
      On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Rabinder Koul <ravindrakkoul@...> wrote:
       
      Here is an article by Madhu Keshwar on topics related to different issues related to Godhara Riots and the Congi-Secular-Left Mafia activities, particularly relevant is what she says about Teesta…



      2. As for Teesta and the interim SIT report, I learnt from very reliable sources that SIT members admitted that they went to Gujarat deeply influenced by the propaganda against Modi and were convinced he was guilty and their job was to nail him. As the enquiry proceeded, they realized they were acting on wrong assumptions. They also resented the fact that Teesta put enormous pressure on the SIT as well as on courts to influence the course of investigation. They have presented enough evidence to the Supreme Court of her using foul means to implicate Modi.  

      The SIT team has officers whose integrity is believed to be above board. A Modi hostile Supreme Court bench, watchdogs of the Congress party including Teesta Setalvad were keeping a hawk like watch on the SIT while they were carrying on their investigations. Do you think with an openly anti Modi judge like Justice Aftab Alam who gave many biased orders against Modi; the SIT could have played foul to exonerate Modi?

      None of you have called Teesta to account when she has been indicted by courts or used hate speech in criticizing Modi. It is precisely because she went overboard in unleashing a national and international hate campaign solely targeting Modi that people like me became sceptical of her mission and motives. There is growing evidence that she misused funds collected in the name of riot victims. None of you speak out against it.

      I’m surprised it hasn’t bothered human rights activists, including you that Teesta has acted at the behest of the Congress Party whose own track record of instigating riots and promoting divisive politics is decidedly far worse than any other party. From day one, Teesta has been openly funded by the Congress Party to go after the BJP. I became sceptical of her politics much before the Modi saga began. Way back in 1999, she misused Manushi’s name in a mischievous advertisement campaign to attack BJP just before the general election that year. I had protested against the draft of the ad text in the meeting of NGOs called by Teesta to become co-signatories to the anti BJP ad campaign. And yet Manushi’s name was added to the list of signatories.

      I had no love lost for BJP then or nor do I have any dealings with the BJP now. In fact, I have written many more articles critiquing BJP brand of politics than that of Congress. And yet I could not subscribe to the patent distortion of facts Teesta put in the anti-BJP ad which was released to all major newspapers of the country. I became even more sceptical of her actions when I realized that the Congress Party had funded the entire ad campaign. The least she owed us all was an open disclosure of her political alliance.

      Among numerous other acts of commission and omission of the Congress Party, including humungous financial frauds and scams, the following communal riots have taken place during Congress regimes post 2002. Why has Teesta never gone after those chief ministers with the same maniacal zeal as she does after Modi? The 4 lakh victims of Assam riots have got neither justice nor due compensation. Why has Teesta never demanded arrest of Assam CM or Home Minister? Why does she not want Supreme Court to enquire into the role of Congress government in Assam riots of 2012?

      She has adopted extremely unethical means to run the Hate and Destroy Modi campaign. Thankfully for India, it has now begun to produce a massive wave of anger and outrage all over the country. I am not the only one who felt compelled to check the facts for myself and found that the country has been fed with humungous lies.

      If all these wilful acts of cheating the nation do not deserve anger, what does? How can one build bridges of communication with someone who knowingly commits dangerous frauds on the people of India?

      Someone like you should use your influence to give Teesta, Shabnam Hashmi and others of their persuasion a sense of balance and integrity in conducting their politics.


      Ravindra Koul
      अस्मद्रूपसमाविष्ठ: स्वात्मनात्मानिवारणे 
      शिव: करोतु निजया नम: शक्त्या ततात्मने 



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