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  • wymanfrank
    My newly acquired J28, hull #8, arrives in Charleston tonight! I ve got a bit of work before refloating. Survey says fixed 2 blade prop is shot and needs
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      My newly acquired J28, hull #8, arrives in Charleston tonight! I've got a bit of work before refloating. Survey says fixed 2 blade prop is shot and needs replacing. I'd really like a nice folding (probably 3 blade max Prop) but my boat kitty is now really low and I'm pretty certain this is where I can cut a grand or more. I've decided to put off the purchase of a nice folding prop for a year or so and go with a inexpensive fixed prop for now. Any advice on makes/models that are inexpensive (relative to folding)? 2 or 3 blade?

      Thanks!
      Frank
    • thistle4002
      I HAVE A MARTEC ON MY BOAT NOW, I WISH I HAD SAVED A LITTLE LONGER AND BOUGHT A VARIFOLD, MAX PROP OR GORI... THE MARTEC VIBRATES A BIT BUT OTHEWISE ITS
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        I HAVE A MARTEC ON MY BOAT NOW,  I WISH I HAD SAVED A LITTLE LONGER AND BOUGHT A VARIFOLD, MAX PROP OR GORI... THE MARTEC VIBRATES A BIT BUT OTHEWISE ITS PRETTY GOOD.

        I ORIGINALLY TRIED TO SAVE A FEW BUCKS AND BOUGHT A MARTEC 16X14 OFF OF EBAY.  THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PROP THAT JBOAT/TPI PUT ON THE BOAT AND ITS A BIT OVERPROPED BUT STILL GOOD.
        THE REASON WHY I WENT NEW IS THAT THIS PROP NEEDS TO BE BALANCED.

        I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME OF MY MONEY BACK AND WOULD SELL IT FAIRLY CHEAP IF YOU JUST WANTED A PROP TO GET YOU BY FOR A SEASON OR TWO. I COULD HAVE MY MARINA GET IT BALANCED AND SHIP IT OUT IN AWEEK IF YOU ARE INTERSTED.  I ALSO HAVE AN OLDER 3 BLADE PROP THAT CAME WITH MY BOAT (FIXED) ITS A BIT MUCH, BUT AGAIN YOU COULD GET BY WITH IT IN A PINCH. I WILL GIVE YOU THE THREE BLADE IF YOU WANT TO BUY MY MARTEC.

        YOU CAN EMAIL ME DIRECTLY AT SAILINGMASTER@...

        GLAD TO HEAR YOU HAVE A 28, WELCOME TO THE CULT!  YOU WILL LOVE THE BOAT!

        JP

        On Jul 14, 2013, at 3:08 PM, wymanfrank wrote:

         

        My newly acquired J28, hull #8, arrives in Charleston tonight! I've got a bit of work before refloating. Survey says fixed 2 blade prop is shot and needs replacing. I'd really like a nice folding (probably 3 blade max Prop) but my boat kitty is now really low and I'm pretty certain this is where I can cut a grand or more. I've decided to put off the purchase of a nice folding prop for a year or so and go with a inexpensive fixed prop for now. Any advice on makes/models that are inexpensive (relative to folding)? 2 or 3 blade?

        Thanks!
        Frank


      • thistle4002
        OH BTW I BOUGHT MY MARTEC LAST SUMMER FOR ABOUT 800 PLUS SHIPPING NEW. IF YOU DECIDE TO GO THAT ROUTE, THE FOLKS THERE ARE AWESOME AND WILL MAKE SURE THEY GET
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          OH BTW

          I BOUGHT MY MARTEC LAST SUMMER FOR ABOUT 800 PLUS SHIPPING NEW. IF YOU DECIDE TO GO THAT ROUTE, THE FOLKS THERE ARE AWESOME AND WILL MAKE SURE THEY GET YOU WHAT YOU NEED QUICKY

          JP
          On Jul 14, 2013, at 3:08 PM, wymanfrank wrote:

           

          My newly acquired J28, hull #8, arrives in Charleston tonight! I've got a bit of work before refloating. Survey says fixed 2 blade prop is shot and needs replacing. I'd really like a nice folding (probably 3 blade max Prop) but my boat kitty is now really low and I'm pretty certain this is where I can cut a grand or more. I've decided to put off the purchase of a nice folding prop for a year or so and go with a inexpensive fixed prop for now. Any advice on makes/models that are inexpensive (relative to folding)? 2 or 3 blade?

          Thanks!
          Frank


        • David Hastings
          Frank, You don t need three blades but you do need a folding or feathering prop. Sent from my iPad David L. Hastings 5608 W. Woodside Dr. Crystal River, FL
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            Frank,

            You don't need three blades but you do need a folding or feathering prop. 

            Sent from my iPad

            David L. Hastings
            5608 W. Woodside Dr.
            Crystal River, FL 34429
            Home: 352-794-6440
            Cell: 315-345-2078

            On Jul 14, 2013, at 3:08 PM, "wymanfrank" <wymanfrank@...> wrote:

             

            My newly acquired J28, hull #8, arrives in Charleston tonight! I've got a bit of work before refloating. Survey says fixed 2 blade prop is shot and needs replacing. I'd really like a nice folding (probably 3 blade max Prop) but my boat kitty is now really low and I'm pretty certain this is where I can cut a grand or more. I've decided to put off the purchase of a nice folding prop for a year or so and go with a inexpensive fixed prop for now. Any advice on makes/models that are inexpensive (relative to folding)? 2 or 3 blade?

            Thanks!
            Frank



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          • thistle4002
            Yes definatley. I picked up nearly a knot of boat speed with a folding prop (after i ditched my nastey fixed THREE blade) and point a bit higher. New genoa in
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              Yes definatley.  I picked up nearly a knot of boat speed with a folding prop (after i ditched my nastey fixed THREE blade) and point a bit higher.
              New genoa in two weeks!  The plan is coming together!

              J
              On Jul 14, 2013, at 5:35 PM, David Hastings wrote:

               

              Frank,

              You don't need three blades but you do need a folding or feathering prop. 

              Sent from my iPad

              David L. Hastings
              5608 W. Woodside Dr.
              Crystal River, FL 34429
              Home: 352-794-6440
              Cell: 315-345-2078

              On Jul 14, 2013, at 3:08 PM, "wymanfrank" <wymanfrank@...> wrote:

               

              My newly acquired J28, hull #8, arrives in Charleston tonight! I've got a bit of work before refloating. Survey says fixed 2 blade prop is shot and needs replacing. I'd really like a nice folding (probably 3 blade max Prop) but my boat kitty is now really low and I'm pretty certain this is where I can cut a grand or more. I've decided to put off the purchase of a nice folding prop for a year or so and go with a inexpensive fixed prop for now. Any advice on makes/models that are inexpensive (relative to folding)? 2 or 3 blade?

              Thanks!
              Frank



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            • John
              Frank, I just replaced my martec with a flexofold 2 blade folder and I really like the new prop. My martec needs a rebuild but does have a few years of service
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                Frank, I just replaced my martec with a flexofold 2 blade folder and I really like the new prop. My martec needs a rebuild but does have a few years of service left. It's yours for the shipping cost. email me if interested. jfws88@....

                John

                --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, sailingmaster@... wrote:
                >
                > Yes definatley. I picked up nearly a knot of boat speed with a
                > folding prop (after i ditched my nastey fixed THREE blade) and point a
                > bit higher.
                > New genoa in two weeks! The plan is coming together!
                >
                > J
                > On Jul 14, 2013, at 5:35 PM, David Hastings wrote:
                >
                > >
                > > Frank,
                > >
                > > You don't need three blades but you do need a folding or feathering
                > > prop.
                > >
                > > Sent from my iPad
                > >
                > > David L. Hastings
                > > 5608 W. Woodside Dr.
                > > Crystal River, FL 34429
                > > Home: 352-794-6440
                > > Cell: 315-345-2078
                > >
                > > On Jul 14, 2013, at 3:08 PM, "wymanfrank" <wymanfrank@...>
                > > wrote:
                > >
                > >>
                > >> My newly acquired J28, hull #8, arrives in Charleston tonight! I've
                > >> got a bit of work before refloating. Survey says fixed 2 blade prop
                > >> is shot and needs replacing. I'd really like a nice folding
                > >> (probably 3 blade max Prop) but my boat kitty is now really low and
                > >> I'm pretty certain this is where I can cut a grand or more. I've
                > >> decided to put off the purchase of a nice folding prop for a year
                > >> or so and go with a inexpensive fixed prop for now. Any advice on
                > >> makes/models that are inexpensive (relative to folding)? 2 or 3
                > >> blade?
                > >>
                > >> Thanks!
                > >> Frank
                > >>
                > >>
                > >>
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              • mcclurejsteven
                I would like to get a quote on some of the props you mentioned. I looked in the ownwer s manual on this site, but where can you find the gear ratio, shaft
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                  I would like to get a quote on some of the props you mentioned. I looked in the ownwer's manual on this site, but where can you find the gear ratio, shaft size and rotation info requested on the quote form?
                  Thanks,
                  Steve

                  --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, sailingmaster@... wrote:
                  >
                  > I HAVE A MARTEC ON MY BOAT NOW, I WISH I HAD SAVED A LITTLE LONGER
                  > AND BOUGHT A VARIFOLD, MAX PROP OR GORI... THE MARTEC VIBRATES A BIT
                  > BUT OTHEWISE ITS PRETTY GOOD.
                  >
                  > I ORIGINALLY TRIED TO SAVE A FEW BUCKS AND BOUGHT A MARTEC 16X14 OFF
                  > OF EBAY. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PROP THAT JBOAT/TPI PUT ON THE BOAT AND
                  > ITS A BIT OVERPROPED BUT STILL GOOD.
                  > THE REASON WHY I WENT NEW IS THAT THIS PROP NEEDS TO BE BALANCED.
                  >
                  > I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME OF MY MONEY BACK AND WOULD SELL IT FAIRLY
                  > CHEAP IF YOU JUST WANTED A PROP TO GET YOU BY FOR A SEASON OR TWO. I
                  > COULD HAVE MY MARINA GET IT BALANCED AND SHIP IT OUT IN AWEEK IF YOU
                  > ARE INTERSTED. I ALSO HAVE AN OLDER 3 BLADE PROP THAT CAME WITH MY
                  > BOAT (FIXED) ITS A BIT MUCH, BUT AGAIN YOU COULD GET BY WITH IT IN A
                  > PINCH. I WILL GIVE YOU THE THREE BLADE IF YOU WANT TO BUY MY MARTEC.
                  >
                  > YOU CAN EMAIL ME DIRECTLY AT SAILINGMASTER@...
                  >
                  > GLAD TO HEAR YOU HAVE A 28, WELCOME TO THE CULT! YOU WILL LOVE THE
                  > BOAT!
                  >
                  > JP
                  >
                  > On Jul 14, 2013, at 3:08 PM, wymanfrank wrote:
                  >
                  > > My newly acquired J28, hull #8, arrives in Charleston tonight! I've
                  > > got a bit of work before refloating. Survey says fixed 2 blade prop
                  > > is shot and needs replacing. I'd really like a nice folding
                  > > (probably 3 blade max Prop) but my boat kitty is now really low and
                  > > I'm pretty certain this is where I can cut a grand or more. I've
                  > > decided to put off the purchase of a nice folding prop for a year or
                  > > so and go with a inexpensive fixed prop for now. Any advice on makes/
                  > > models that are inexpensive (relative to folding)? 2 or 3 blade?
                  > >
                  > > Thanks!
                  > > Frank
                  > >
                  > >
                  >
                • thistle4002
                  I originally got the specs for the prop shaft etc from the old J28 front page website. It seems that jboats has changed that page and the info is missing. The
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                    I originally got the specs for the prop shaft etc from the old J28 front page website.  It seems that jboats has changed that page and the info is missing. 

                    The prop is a RH, on a one inch shaft.  I have forgotten the reduction ratio for the transmission but I believe you can find it on the transmission itself.
                    Martec also can provide that as they originally supplied the props for the boat.

                    The original prop was a martec 16x14, i have now a 16x12 that is a better fit.
                    I have an old 16x14 that needs minor balancing if ur interested. I bought on ebay and would like to get back some of the cost.

                    there was some discussion here a few months back.  I am inclined to believe the boat will be smoother with one of the more expensive props like a gori or a max prop
                    they are much more expensive  The Martec was about 800 plus shipping.  I had a quote on a gori and its was 1600?  i think.  Max prop and vari fold are more I think.
                    I went with the Martec as I am in the worst harbor in the world for barnacles.  I still have a diver once per month as they infest my prop!  I think they would jam a geared prop
                    if the boat were to sit for more than a week or so without use.

                    Im pretty happy with the martec. It does get push the boat at 6 kts, a bit more if I really max the rpm.  It also will stop the boat in about one boat lenght if needed, just as they claim.
                    Reverse is very good. and there is just  bit of prop walk to port, which is nice if you have to turn the boat in a tight space,(burst of reverse to kick stern to port, then hard right rudder and forward, and u can spin in  a
                    boat length if no strong crosswind or current)
                    There is some vibration, but now that I have been on a few other boats of the same age, its seems about normal.
                    Not sure you ever get 100% free of vibration with the little diesels.

                    Hope this helps

                    JP
                    On Sep 14, 2013, at 11:42 AM, mcclurejsteven wrote:

                     

                    I would like to get a quote on some of the props you mentioned. I looked in the ownwer's manual on this site, but where can you find the gear ratio, shaft size and rotation info requested on the quote form?
                    Thanks,
                    Steve

                    --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, sailingmaster@... wrote:
                    >
                    > I HAVE A MARTEC ON MY BOAT NOW, I WISH I HAD SAVED A LITTLE LONGER
                    > AND BOUGHT A VARIFOLD, MAX PROP OR GORI... THE MARTEC VIBRATES A BIT
                    > BUT OTHEWISE ITS PRETTY GOOD.
                    >
                    > I ORIGINALLY TRIED TO SAVE A FEW BUCKS AND BOUGHT A MARTEC 16X14 OFF
                    > OF EBAY. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PROP THAT JBOAT/TPI PUT ON THE BOAT AND
                    > ITS A BIT OVERPROPED BUT STILL GOOD.
                    > THE REASON WHY I WENT NEW IS THAT THIS PROP NEEDS TO BE BALANCED.
                    >
                    > I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME OF MY MONEY BACK AND WOULD SELL IT FAIRLY
                    > CHEAP IF YOU JUST WANTED A PROP TO GET YOU BY FOR A SEASON OR TWO. I
                    > COULD HAVE MY MARINA GET IT BALANCED AND SHIP IT OUT IN AWEEK IF YOU
                    > ARE INTERSTED. I ALSO HAVE AN OLDER 3 BLADE PROP THAT CAME WITH MY
                    > BOAT (FIXED) ITS A BIT MUCH, BUT AGAIN YOU COULD GET BY WITH IT IN A
                    > PINCH. I WILL GIVE YOU THE THREE BLADE IF YOU WANT TO BUY MY MARTEC.
                    >
                    > YOU CAN EMAIL ME DIRECTLY AT SAILINGMASTER@...
                    >
                    > GLAD TO HEAR YOU HAVE A 28, WELCOME TO THE CULT! YOU WILL LOVE THE
                    > BOAT!
                    >
                    > JP
                    >
                    > On Jul 14, 2013, at 3:08 PM, wymanfrank wrote:
                    >
                    > > My newly acquired J28, hull #8, arrives in Charleston tonight! I've
                    > > got a bit of work before refloating. Survey says fixed 2 blade prop
                    > > is shot and needs replacing. I'd really like a nice folding
                    > > (probably 3 blade max Prop) but my boat kitty is now really low and
                    > > I'm pretty certain this is where I can cut a grand or more. I've
                    > > decided to put off the purchase of a nice folding prop for a year or
                    > > so and go with a inexpensive fixed prop for now. Any advice on makes/
                    > > models that are inexpensive (relative to folding)? 2 or 3 blade?
                    > >
                    > > Thanks!
                    > > Frank
                    > >
                    > >
                    >


                  • Jeff Keen
                    I can second JP s response that the prop is RH rotation on a 1.00 inch shaft. I have an original Kanzaki transmission with a 2.62 to 1 reduction ratio. On my
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                      I can second JP's response that the prop is RH rotation on a 1.00 inch shaft.  I have an original Kanzaki transmission with a 2.62 to 1 reduction ratio.  On my boat, this information is posted on the transmission unit.  I also have an old Martec and am looking to make a change.  Will be interested to hear about your experience.

                      Jeff Keen


                      On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 2:02 PM, <sailingmaster@...> wrote:
                       

                      I originally got the specs for the prop shaft etc from the old J28 front page website.  It seems that jboats has changed that page and the info is missing. 


                      The prop is a RH, on a one inch shaft.  I have forgotten the reduction ratio for the transmission but I believe you can find it on the transmission itself.
                      Martec also can provide that as they originally supplied the props for the boat.

                      The original prop was a martec 16x14, i have now a 16x12 that is a better fit.
                      I have an old 16x14 that needs minor balancing if ur interested. I bought on ebay and would like to get back some of the cost.

                      there was some discussion here a few months back.  I am inclined to believe the boat will be smoother with one of the more expensive props like a gori or a max prop
                      they are much more expensive  The Martec was about 800 plus shipping.  I had a quote on a gori and its was 1600?  i think.  Max prop and vari fold are more I think.
                      I went with the Martec as I am in the worst harbor in the world for barnacles.  I still have a diver once per month as they infest my prop!  I think they would jam a geared prop
                      if the boat were to sit for more than a week or so without use.

                      Im pretty happy with the martec. It does get push the boat at 6 kts, a bit more if I really max the rpm.  It also will stop the boat in about one boat lenght if needed, just as they claim.
                      Reverse is very good. and there is just  bit of prop walk to port, which is nice if you have to turn the boat in a tight space,(burst of reverse to kick stern to port, then hard right rudder and forward, and u can spin in  a
                      boat length if no strong crosswind or current)
                      There is some vibration, but now that I have been on a few other boats of the same age, its seems about normal.
                      Not sure you ever get 100% free of vibration with the little diesels.

                      Hope this helps

                      JP
                      On Sep 14, 2013, at 11:42 AM, mcclurejsteven wrote:

                       

                      I would like to get a quote on some of the props you mentioned. I looked in the ownwer's manual on this site, but where can you find the gear ratio, shaft size and rotation info requested on the quote form?
                      Thanks,
                      Steve

                      --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, sailingmaster@... wrote:
                      >
                      > I HAVE A MARTEC ON MY BOAT NOW, I WISH I HAD SAVED A LITTLE LONGER
                      > AND BOUGHT A VARIFOLD, MAX PROP OR GORI... THE MARTEC VIBRATES A BIT
                      > BUT OTHEWISE ITS PRETTY GOOD.
                      >
                      > I ORIGINALLY TRIED TO SAVE A FEW BUCKS AND BOUGHT A MARTEC 16X14 OFF
                      > OF EBAY. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PROP THAT JBOAT/TPI PUT ON THE BOAT AND
                      > ITS A BIT OVERPROPED BUT STILL GOOD.
                      > THE REASON WHY I WENT NEW IS THAT THIS PROP NEEDS TO BE BALANCED.
                      >
                      > I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME OF MY MONEY BACK AND WOULD SELL IT FAIRLY
                      > CHEAP IF YOU JUST WANTED A PROP TO GET YOU BY FOR A SEASON OR TWO. I
                      > COULD HAVE MY MARINA GET IT BALANCED AND SHIP IT OUT IN AWEEK IF YOU
                      > ARE INTERSTED. I ALSO HAVE AN OLDER 3 BLADE PROP THAT CAME WITH MY
                      > BOAT (FIXED) ITS A BIT MUCH, BUT AGAIN YOU COULD GET BY WITH IT IN A
                      > PINCH. I WILL GIVE YOU THE THREE BLADE IF YOU WANT TO BUY MY MARTEC.
                      >
                      > YOU CAN EMAIL ME DIRECTLY AT SAILINGMASTER@...
                      >
                      > GLAD TO HEAR YOU HAVE A 28, WELCOME TO THE CULT! YOU WILL LOVE THE
                      > BOAT!
                      >
                      > JP
                      >
                      > On Jul 14, 2013, at 3:08 PM, wymanfrank wrote:
                      >
                      > > My newly acquired J28, hull #8, arrives in Charleston tonight! I've
                      > > got a bit of work before refloating. Survey says fixed 2 blade prop
                      > > is shot and needs replacing. I'd really like a nice folding
                      > > (probably 3 blade max Prop) but my boat kitty is now really low and
                      > > I'm pretty certain this is where I can cut a grand or more. I've
                      > > decided to put off the purchase of a nice folding prop for a year or
                      > > so and go with a inexpensive fixed prop for now. Any advice on makes/
                      > > models that are inexpensive (relative to folding)? 2 or 3 blade?
                      > >
                      > > Thanks!
                      > > Frank
                      > >
                      > >
                      >



                    • thistle4002
                      2.62 :1 sounds familiar There is a huge difference between the martec 16x14 and 16x12 id have to see a HUGE differnece to spend 2k on a folding prop just m 2
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                        2.62 :1  sounds familiar

                        There is a huge difference between the martec 16x14 and 16x12  id have to see a HUGE differnece to spend 2k on a folding prop
                        just m 2 cents, then again, as I have mentioned before, i have always been a dinghy sailor...a j24 used to seem huge, so what do i know lol

                        J
                        On Sep 15, 2013, at 11:43 PM, Jeff Keen wrote:

                         

                        I can second JP's response that the prop is RH rotation on a 1.00 inch shaft.  I have an original Kanzaki transmission with a 2.62 to 1 reduction ratio.  On my boat, this information is posted on the transmission unit.  I also have an old Martec and am looking to make a change.  Will be interested to hear about your experience.

                        Jeff Keen


                        On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 2:02 PM, <sailingmaster@...> wrote:
                         

                        I originally got the specs for the prop shaft etc from the old J28 front page website.  It seems that jboats has changed that page and the info is missing. 


                        The prop is a RH, on a one inch shaft.  I have forgotten the reduction ratio for the transmission but I believe you can find it on the transmission itself.
                        Martec also can provide that as they originally supplied the props for the boat.

                        The original prop was a martec 16x14, i have now a 16x12 that is a better fit.
                        I have an old 16x14 that needs minor balancing if ur interested. I bought on ebay and would like to get back some of the cost.

                        there was some discussion here a few months back.  I am inclined to believe the boat will be smoother with one of the more expensive props like a gori or a max prop
                        they are much more expensive  The Martec was about 800 plus shipping.  I had a quote on a gori and its was 1600?  i think.  Max prop and vari fold are more I think.
                        I went with the Martec as I am in the worst harbor in the world for barnacles.  I still have a diver once per month as they infest my prop!  I think they would jam a geared prop
                        if the boat were to sit for more than a week or so without use.

                        Im pretty happy with the martec. It does get push the boat at 6 kts, a bit more if I really max the rpm.  It also will stop the boat in about one boat lenght if needed, just as they claim.
                        Reverse is very good. and there is just  bit of prop walk to port, which is nice if you have to turn the boat in a tight space,(burst of reverse to kick stern to port, then hard right rudder and forward, and u can spin in  a
                        boat length if no strong crosswind or current)
                        There is some vibration, but now that I have been on a few other boats of the same age, its seems about normal.
                        Not sure you ever get 100% free of vibration with the little diesels.

                        Hope this helps

                        JP
                        On Sep 14, 2013, at 11:42 AM, mcclurejsteven wrote:

                         

                        I would like to get a quote on some of the props you mentioned. I looked in the ownwer's manual on this site, but where can you find the gear ratio, shaft size and rotation info requested on the quote form?
                        Thanks,
                        Steve

                        --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, sailingmaster@... wrote:
                        >
                        > I HAVE A MARTEC ON MY BOAT NOW, I WISH I HAD SAVED A LITTLE LONGER
                        > AND BOUGHT A VARIFOLD, MAX PROP OR GORI... THE MARTEC VIBRATES A BIT
                        > BUT OTHEWISE ITS PRETTY GOOD.
                        >
                        > I ORIGINALLY TRIED TO SAVE A FEW BUCKS AND BOUGHT A MARTEC 16X14 OFF
                        > OF EBAY. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PROP THAT JBOAT/TPI PUT ON THE BOAT AND
                        > ITS A BIT OVERPROPED BUT STILL GOOD.
                        > THE REASON WHY I WENT NEW IS THAT THIS PROP NEEDS TO BE BALANCED.
                        >
                        > I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME OF MY MONEY BACK AND WOULD SELL IT FAIRLY
                        > CHEAP IF YOU JUST WANTED A PROP TO GET YOU BY FOR A SEASON OR TWO. I
                        > COULD HAVE MY MARINA GET IT BALANCED AND SHIP IT OUT IN AWEEK IF YOU
                        > ARE INTERSTED. I ALSO HAVE AN OLDER 3 BLADE PROP THAT CAME WITH MY
                        > BOAT (FIXED) ITS A BIT MUCH, BUT AGAIN YOU COULD GET BY WITH IT IN A
                        > PINCH. I WILL GIVE YOU THE THREE BLADE IF YOU WANT TO BUY MY MARTEC.
                        >
                        > YOU CAN EMAIL ME DIRECTLY AT SAILINGMASTER@...
                        >
                        > GLAD TO HEAR YOU HAVE A 28, WELCOME TO THE CULT! YOU WILL LOVE THE
                        > BOAT!
                        >
                        > JP
                        >
                        > On Jul 14, 2013, at 3:08 PM, wymanfrank wrote:
                        >
                        > > My newly acquired J28, hull #8, arrives in Charleston tonight! I've
                        > > got a bit of work before refloating. Survey says fixed 2 blade prop
                        > > is shot and needs replacing. I'd really like a nice folding
                        > > (probably 3 blade max Prop) but my boat kitty is now really low and
                        > > I'm pretty certain this is where I can cut a grand or more. I've
                        > > decided to put off the purchase of a nice folding prop for a year or
                        > > so and go with a inexpensive fixed prop for now. Any advice on makes/
                        > > models that are inexpensive (relative to folding)? 2 or 3 blade?
                        > >
                        > > Thanks!
                        > > Frank
                        > >
                        > >
                        >






                      • David Hastings
                        Hi Steve. Welcome aboard. I had the Martec and then the Gori in my J29. The Gori was vastly superior to the Martec. Now I have a J28 with a Max Prop. In my
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                          Hi Steve. Welcome aboard.   I had the Martec and then the Gori in my J29. The Gori was vastly superior to the Martec. Now I have a J28 with a Max Prop. In my book the Max Prop is superior to the others. Offers more punch, stops better, backs better and is vibration free.

                          Sent from my iPad

                          David L. Hastings
                          5608 W. Woodside Dr.
                          Crystal River, FL 34429
                          Home: 352-794-6440
                          Cell: 315-345-2078

                          On Sep 14, 2013, at 11:42 AM, "mcclurejsteven" <mcclurejsteven@...> wrote:

                           

                          I would like to get a quote on some of the props you mentioned. I looked in the ownwer's manual on this site, but where can you find the gear ratio, shaft size and rotation info requested on the quote form?
                          Thanks,
                          Steve

                          --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, sailingmaster@... wrote:
                          >
                          > I HAVE A MARTEC ON MY BOAT NOW, I WISH I HAD SAVED A LITTLE LONGER
                          > AND BOUGHT A VARIFOLD, MAX PROP OR GORI... THE MARTEC VIBRATES A BIT
                          > BUT OTHEWISE ITS PRETTY GOOD.
                          >
                          > I ORIGINALLY TRIED TO SAVE A FEW BUCKS AND BOUGHT A MARTEC 16X14 OFF
                          > OF EBAY. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PROP THAT JBOAT/TPI PUT ON THE BOAT AND
                          > ITS A BIT OVERPROPED BUT STILL GOOD.
                          > THE REASON WHY I WENT NEW IS THAT THIS PROP NEEDS TO BE BALANCED.
                          >
                          > I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME OF MY MONEY BACK AND WOULD SELL IT FAIRLY
                          > CHEAP IF YOU JUST WANTED A PROP TO GET YOU BY FOR A SEASON OR TWO. I
                          > COULD HAVE MY MARINA GET IT BALANCED AND SHIP IT OUT IN AWEEK IF YOU
                          > ARE INTERSTED. I ALSO HAVE AN OLDER 3 BLADE PROP THAT CAME WITH MY
                          > BOAT (FIXED) ITS A BIT MUCH, BUT AGAIN YOU COULD GET BY WITH IT IN A
                          > PINCH. I WILL GIVE YOU THE THREE BLADE IF YOU WANT TO BUY MY MARTEC.
                          >
                          > YOU CAN EMAIL ME DIRECTLY AT SAILINGMASTER@...
                          >
                          > GLAD TO HEAR YOU HAVE A 28, WELCOME TO THE CULT! YOU WILL LOVE THE
                          > BOAT!
                          >
                          > JP
                          >
                          > On Jul 14, 2013, at 3:08 PM, wymanfrank wrote:
                          >
                          > > My newly acquired J28, hull #8, arrives in Charleston tonight! I've
                          > > got a bit of work before refloating. Survey says fixed 2 blade prop
                          > > is shot and needs replacing. I'd really like a nice folding
                          > > (probably 3 blade max Prop) but my boat kitty is now really low and
                          > > I'm pretty certain this is where I can cut a grand or more. I've
                          > > decided to put off the purchase of a nice folding prop for a year or
                          > > so and go with a inexpensive fixed prop for now. Any advice on makes/
                          > > models that are inexpensive (relative to folding)? 2 or 3 blade?
                          > >
                          > > Thanks!
                          > > Frank
                          > >
                          > >
                          >



                          ____________________________________________________________
                        • John Power
                          I m getting a max prop as soon as I can afford the price! Then again why use an engine when u have perfectly good sails! Nice to see u have resurfaced David!
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                            I'm getting a max prop as soon as I can afford the price!

                            Then again why use an engine when u have perfectly good sails!

                            Nice to see u have resurfaced David!   

                            JP

                            Sent from my iPhone

                            On Sep 16, 2013, at 10:06 AM, David Hastings <david.hastings@...> wrote:

                             

                            Hi Steve. Welcome aboard.   I had the Martec and then the Gori in my J29. The Gori was vastly superior to the Martec. Now I have a J28 with a Max Prop. In my book the Max Prop is superior to the others. Offers more punch, stops better, backs better and is vibration free.

                            Sent from my iPad

                            David L. Hastings
                            5608 W. Woodside Dr.
                            Crystal River, FL 34429
                            Home: 352-794-6440
                            Cell: 315-345-2078

                            On Sep 14, 2013, at 11:42 AM, "mcclurejsteven" <mcclurejsteven@...> wrote:

                             

                            I would like to get a quote on some of the props you mentioned. I looked in the ownwer's manual on this site, but where can you find the gear ratio, shaft size and rotation info requested on the quote form?
                            Thanks,
                            Steve

                            --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, sailingmaster@... wrote:
                            >
                            > I HAVE A MARTEC ON MY BOAT NOW, I WISH I HAD SAVED A LITTLE LONGER
                            > AND BOUGHT A VARIFOLD, MAX PROP OR GORI... THE MARTEC VIBRATES A BIT
                            > BUT OTHEWISE ITS PRETTY GOOD.
                            >
                            > I ORIGINALLY TRIED TO SAVE A FEW BUCKS AND BOUGHT A MARTEC 16X14 OFF
                            > OF EBAY. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PROP THAT JBOAT/TPI PUT ON THE BOAT AND
                            > ITS A BIT OVERPROPED BUT STILL GOOD.
                            > THE REASON WHY I WENT NEW IS THAT THIS PROP NEEDS TO BE BALANCED.
                            >
                            > I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME OF MY MONEY BACK AND WOULD SELL IT FAIRLY
                            > CHEAP IF YOU JUST WANTED A PROP TO GET YOU BY FOR A SEASON OR TWO. I
                            > COULD HAVE MY MARINA GET IT BALANCED AND SHIP IT OUT IN AWEEK IF YOU
                            > ARE INTERSTED. I ALSO HAVE AN OLDER 3 BLADE PROP THAT CAME WITH MY
                            > BOAT (FIXED) ITS A BIT MUCH, BUT AGAIN YOU COULD GET BY WITH IT IN A
                            > PINCH. I WILL GIVE YOU THE THREE BLADE IF YOU WANT TO BUY MY MARTEC.
                            >
                            > YOU CAN EMAIL ME DIRECTLY AT SAILINGMASTER@...
                            >
                            > GLAD TO HEAR YOU HAVE A 28, WELCOME TO THE CULT! YOU WILL LOVE THE
                            > BOAT!
                            >
                            > JP
                            >
                            > On Jul 14, 2013, at 3:08 PM, wymanfrank wrote:
                            >
                            > > My newly acquired J28, hull #8, arrives in Charleston tonight! I've
                            > > got a bit of work before refloating. Survey says fixed 2 blade prop
                            > > is shot and needs replacing. I'd really like a nice folding
                            > > (probably 3 blade max Prop) but my boat kitty is now really low and
                            > > I'm pretty certain this is where I can cut a grand or more. I've
                            > > decided to put off the purchase of a nice folding prop for a year or
                            > > so and go with a inexpensive fixed prop for now. Any advice on makes/
                            > > models that are inexpensive (relative to folding)? 2 or 3 blade?
                            > >
                            > > Thanks!
                            > > Frank
                            > >
                            > >
                            >



                            ____________________________________________________________

                          • David Hastings
                            Hello All, Yes, I am back and thanks, John, for the welcome. There has been a lot of discussion this year about whether or not one can survive for extended
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                              Hello All,

                              Yes, I am back and thanks, John, for the welcome. There has been a lot of discussion this year about whether or not one can survive for extended periods of time on a J28 and also on the merits of shoal draft vs fin keel. So, I am reporting on my experience living on and racing my shoal draft J28 this past summer.

                              I lived on my boat up on Lake ontario from mid June until the middle of August (spending only one night not on the boat) and found it perfectly satisfactory. Very comfortable and accommodating. During regattas I had crew also living on the boat and that worked fine as well. Most evenings i was moored or anchored. So, I am now testament to the fact that one can live comfortably for extended periods of time on a J28.

                              I am also pleased to report that the shoal draft model performs just as well as the fin keel version. 
                              I raced against a fin keel J28 at the EYC regatta in Canada and we beat him handily in the long distance race (25 miles) coming in 3rd in our division of 11 boats ranging from 22' to 38' but only the one other J28. In the course racing (5 races over two days) the fin keel J28 edged us out and got a 2nd while we got a 3rd - an Abbot 36 took 1st. We were pretty much dead even with the fin keel J28 upwind but he was a little faster off the wind. He had a new 155 genoa and whisker pole while we had a 149 nearly new genoa and no pole. Bottom line, the shoal draft is totally competitive with the fin keel. I am pleased.

                              I crossed the lake (Ontario) one day in steady 25 knots gusting to 35 and a couple of times higher, 8 foot seas and occasional thunder squalls and the boat handled beautifully. I put a single reef in the main and used the 149% Kevlar genoa.

                              Finally, I placed first in a Hospice regatta which also had 11 boats but no J's. I raced in white sail division, by the way. So, the boat goes and all that talk on our web site about the shoal draft version not being up to snuff, I say phooey! My PHRF rating, by the way turned out to be only 3 seconds behind the fin keel j28. I felt there should have been more separation when I was given that rating, but after racing, I think it is more than fair.

                              I am already planning to sail the boat from Lake Ontario to St Pete, Florida next season where I hope to keep her year 'round in the future. I have attached a picture taken by a friend in another boat as I was passing by this past summer.


                              Nice looking sails, don't you think?

                              Dave Hastings, "Headroom"



                              On Sep 16, 2013, at 10:38 AM, John Power <sailingmaster@...> wrote:

                               

                              I'm getting a max prop as soon as I can afford the price!

                              Then again why use an engine when u have perfectly good sails!

                              Nice to see u have resurfaced David!   

                              JP

                              Sent from my iPhone

                              On Sep 16, 2013, at 10:06 AM, David Hastings <david.hastings@...> wrote:

                               

                              Hi Steve. Welcome aboard.   I had the Martec and then the Gori in my J29. The Gori was vastly superior to the Martec. Now I have a J28 with a Max Prop. In my book the Max Prop is superior to the others. Offers more punch, stops better, backs better and is vibration free.

                              Sent from my iPad

                              David L. Hastings
                              5608 W. Woodside Dr.
                              Crystal River, FL 34429
                              Home: 352-794-6440
                              Cell: 315-345-2078

                              On Sep 14, 2013, at 11:42 AM, "mcclurejsteven" <mcclurejsteven@...> wrote:

                               

                              I would like to get a quote on some of the props you mentioned. I looked in the ownwer's manual on this site, but where can you find the gear ratio, shaft size and rotation info requested on the quote form?
                              Thanks,
                              Steve

                              --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, sailingmaster@... wrote:
                              >
                              > I HAVE A MARTEC ON MY BOAT NOW, I WISH I HAD SAVED A LITTLE LONGER
                              > AND BOUGHT A VARIFOLD, MAX PROP OR GORI... THE MARTEC VIBRATES A BIT
                              > BUT OTHEWISE ITS PRETTY GOOD.
                              >
                              > I ORIGINALLY TRIED TO SAVE A FEW BUCKS AND BOUGHT A MARTEC 16X14 OFF
                              > OF EBAY. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PROP THAT JBOAT/TPI PUT ON THE BOAT AND
                              > ITS A BIT OVERPROPED BUT STILL GOOD.
                              > THE REASON WHY I WENT NEW IS THAT THIS PROP NEEDS TO BE BALANCED.
                              >
                              > I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME OF MY MONEY BACK AND WOULD SELL IT FAIRLY
                              > CHEAP IF YOU JUST WANTED A PROP TO GET YOU BY FOR A SEASON OR TWO. I
                              > COULD HAVE MY MARINA GET IT BALANCED AND SHIP IT OUT IN AWEEK IF YOU
                              > ARE INTERSTED. I ALSO HAVE AN OLDER 3 BLADE PROP THAT CAME WITH MY
                              > BOAT (FIXED) ITS A BIT MUCH, BUT AGAIN YOU COULD GET BY WITH IT IN A
                              > PINCH. I WILL GIVE YOU THE THREE BLADE IF YOU WANT TO BUY MY MARTEC.
                              >
                              > YOU CAN EMAIL ME DIRECTLY AT SAILINGMASTER@...
                              >
                              > GLAD TO HEAR YOU HAVE A 28, WELCOME TO THE CULT! YOU WILL LOVE THE
                              > BOAT!
                              >
                              > JP
                              >
                              > On Jul 14, 2013, at 3:08 PM, wymanfrank wrote:
                              >
                              > > My newly acquired J28, hull #8, arrives in Charleston tonight! I've
                              > > got a bit of work before refloating. Survey says fixed 2 blade prop
                              > > is shot and needs replacing. I'd really like a nice folding
                              > > (probably 3 blade max Prop) but my boat kitty is now really low and
                              > > I'm pretty certain this is where I can cut a grand or more. I've
                              > > decided to put off the purchase of a nice folding prop for a year or
                              > > so and go with a inexpensive fixed prop for now. Any advice on makes/
                              > > models that are inexpensive (relative to folding)? 2 or 3 blade?
                              > >
                              > > Thanks!
                              > > Frank
                              > >
                              > >
                              >



                              ____________________________________________________________



                              ____________________________________________________________
                            • wmluoma
                              I lived aboard my J/28 in 2001 during Summer delivery from Maine to the Chesapeake which included a month’s stay in Newport, and then again during delivery
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                                I lived aboard my J/28 in 2001 during Summer delivery from Maine to the Chesapeake which included a month’s stay in Newport, and then again during delivery from Annapolis to Key West in Spring-Summer 2003. that trip took 30 days (22 on the water) and I spent an additional two months living aboard in the Navy marina at Boca Chica. I had a max crew of 3 during the deliveries but was solo in port. fortunately, I had installed AC (Mermaid 6500 BTU unit under the V-berth - fits nicely, cools (and heats) the boat quickly and the extra weight up forward helps downwind performance) for the trip down south and was able to withstand the insects and tropical heat pretty comfortably (also had a tarp that covered most of the boat). without AC, it would have been a little bit hard to take although there were other live-aboards in Key West who were able to do it without AC but not my preference.
                                 
                                best,
                                marc
                                 
                                Sent from Windows Mail
                                 
                                From: David Hastings
                                Sent: ‎September‎ ‎17‎, ‎2013 ‎5‎:‎32‎ ‎PM
                                To: J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: [J28Sailors] Summer Report
                                 
                                Hello All,

                                Yes, I am back and thanks, John, for the welcome. There has been a lot of discussion this year about whether or not one can survive for extended periods of time on a J28 and also on the merits of shoal draft vs fin keel. So, I am reporting on my experience living on and racing my shoal draft J28 this past summer.

                                I lived on my boat up on Lake ontario from mid June until the middle of August (spending only one night not on the boat) and found it perfectly satisfactory. Very comfortable and accommodating. During regattas I had crew also living on the boat and that worked fine as well. Most evenings i was moored or anchored. So, I am now testament to the fact that one can live comfortably for extended periods of time on a J28.

                                I am also pleased to report that the shoal draft model performs just as well as the fin keel version. 
                                I raced against a fin keel J28 at the EYC regatta in Canada and we beat him handily in the long distance race (25 miles) coming in 3rd in our division of 11 boats ranging from 22' to 38' but only the one other J28. In the course racing (5 races over two days) the fin keel J28 edged us out and got a 2nd while we got a 3rd - an Abbot 36 took 1st. We were pretty much dead even with the fin keel J28 upwind but he was a little faster off the wind. He had a new 155 genoa and whisker pole while we had a 149 nearly new genoa and no pole. Bottom line, the shoal draft is totally competitive with the fin keel. I am pleased.

                                I crossed the lake (Ontario) one day in steady 25 knots gusting to 35 and a couple of times higher, 8 foot seas and occasional thunder squalls and the boat handled beautifully. I put a single reef in the main and used the 149% Kevlar genoa.

                                Finally, I placed first in a Hospice regatta which also had 11 boats but no J's. I raced in white sail division, by the way. So, the boat goes and all that talk on our web site about the shoal draft version not being up to snuff, I say phooey! My PHRF rating, by the way turned out to be only 3 seconds behind the fin keel j28. I felt there should have been more separation when I was given that rating, but after racing, I think it is more than fair.

                                I am already planning to sail the boat from Lake Ontario to St Pete, Florida next season where I hope to keep her year 'round in the future. I have attached a picture taken by a friend in another boat as I was passing by this past summer.


                                Nice looking sails, don't you think?

                                Dave Hastings, "Headroom"



                                On Sep 16, 2013, at 10:38 AM, John Power <sailingmaster@...> wrote:

                                 

                                 

                                I'm getting a max prop as soon as I can afford the price!

                                Then again why use an engine when u have perfectly good sails!

                                Nice to see u have resurfaced David!   

                                JP

                                Sent from my iPhone

                                On Sep 16, 2013, at 10:06 AM, David Hastings <david.hastings@...> wrote:

                                 

                                 

                                Hi Steve. Welcome aboard.   I had the Martec and then the Gori in my J29. The Gori was vastly superior to the Martec. Now I have a J28 with a Max Prop. In my book the Max Prop is superior to the others. Offers more punch, stops better, backs better and is vibration free.

                                Sent from my iPad

                                David L. Hastings
                                5608 W. Woodside Dr.
                                Crystal River, FL 34429
                                Home: 352-794-6440
                                Cell: 315-345-2078

                                On Sep 14, 2013, at 11:42 AM, "mcclurejsteven" <mcclurejsteven@...> wrote:

                                 

                                I would like to get a quote on some of the props you mentioned. I looked in the ownwer's manual on this site, but where can you find the gear ratio, shaft size and rotation info requested on the quote form?
                                Thanks,
                                Steve

                                --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, sailingmaster@... wrote:
                                >
                                > I HAVE A MARTEC ON MY BOAT NOW, I WISH I HAD SAVED A LITTLE LONGER
                                > AND BOUGHT A VARIFOLD, MAX PROP OR GORI... THE MARTEC VIBRATES A BIT
                                > BUT OTHEWISE ITS PRETTY GOOD.
                                >
                                > I ORIGINALLY TRIED TO SAVE A FEW BUCKS AND BOUGHT A MARTEC 16X14 OFF
                                > OF EBAY. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PROP THAT JBOAT/TPI PUT ON THE BOAT AND
                                > ITS A BIT OVERPROPED BUT STILL GOOD.
                                > THE REASON WHY I WENT NEW IS THAT THIS PROP NEEDS TO BE BALANCED.
                                >
                                > I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME OF MY MONEY BACK AND WOULD SELL IT FAIRLY
                                > CHEAP IF YOU JUST WANTED A PROP TO GET YOU BY FOR A SEASON OR TWO. I
                                > COULD HAVE MY MARINA GET IT BALANCED AND SHIP IT OUT IN AWEEK IF YOU
                                > ARE INTERSTED. I ALSO HAVE AN OLDER 3 BLADE PROP THAT CAME WITH MY
                                > BOAT (FIXED) ITS A BIT MUCH, BUT AGAIN YOU COULD GET BY WITH IT IN A
                                > PINCH. I WILL GIVE YOU THE THREE BLADE IF YOU WANT TO BUY MY MARTEC.
                                >
                                > YOU CAN EMAIL ME DIRECTLY AT SAILINGMASTER@...
                                >
                                > GLAD TO HEAR YOU HAVE A 28, WELCOME TO THE CULT! YOU WILL LOVE THE
                                > BOAT!
                                >
                                > JP
                                >
                                > On Jul 14, 2013, at 3:08 PM, wymanfrank wrote:
                                >
                                > > My newly acquired J28, hull #8, arrives in Charleston tonight! I've
                                > > got a bit of work before refloating. Survey says fixed 2 blade prop
                                > > is shot and needs replacing. I'd really like a nice folding
                                > > (probably 3 blade max Prop) but my boat kitty is now really low and
                                > > I'm pretty certain this is where I can cut a grand or more. I've
                                > > decided to put off the purchase of a nice folding prop for a year or
                                > > so and go with a inexpensive fixed prop for now. Any advice on makes/
                                > > models that are inexpensive (relative to folding)? 2 or 3 blade?
                                > >
                                > > Thanks!
                                > > Frank
                                > >
                                > >
                                >



                                ____________________________________________________________

                                 

                                 



                                ____________________________________________________________
                              • David Hastings
                                Thanks, Mark, for the tip on the Merdaid 6500 BTU. I will be wanting to do something like that in my boat I m sure. Did you install it yourself? Does it have
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                                  Thanks, Mark, for the tip on the Merdaid 6500 BTU. I will be wanting to do something like that in my boat I'm sure. Did you install it yourself? Does it have any duct work?

                                  Sent from my iPad

                                  David L. Hastings
                                  5608 W. Woodside Dr.
                                  Crystal River, FL 34429
                                  Home: 352-794-6440
                                  Cell: 315-345-2078

                                  On Sep 17, 2013, at 8:07 PM, <wmluoma@...> wrote:

                                   

                                  I lived aboard my J/28 in 2001 during Summer delivery from Maine to the Chesapeake which included a month’s stay in Newport, and then again during delivery from Annapolis to Key West in Spring-Summer 2003. that trip took 30 days (22 on the water) and I spent an additional two months living aboard in the Navy marina at Boca Chica. I had a max crew of 3 during the deliveries but was solo in port. fortunately, I had installed AC (Mermaid 6500 BTU unit under the V-berth - fits nicely, cools (and heats) the boat quickly and the extra weight up forward helps downwind performance) for the trip down south and was able to withstand the insects and tropical heat pretty comfortably (also had a tarp that covered most of the boat). without AC, it would have been a little bit hard to take although there were other live-aboards in Key West who were able to do it without AC but not my preference.
                                   
                                  best,
                                  marc
                                   
                                  Sent from Windows Mail
                                   
                                  From: David Hastings
                                  Sent: ‎September‎ ‎17‎, ‎2013 ‎5‎:‎32‎ ‎PM
                                  To: J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: [J28Sailors] Summer Report
                                   
                                  Hello All,

                                  Yes, I am back and thanks, John, for the welcome. There has been a lot of discussion this year about whether or not one can survive for extended periods of time on a J28 and also on the merits of shoal draft vs fin keel. So, I am reporting on my experience living on and racing my shoal draft J28 this past summer.

                                  I lived on my boat up on Lake ontario from mid June until the middle of August (spending only one night not on the boat) and found it perfectly satisfactory. Very comfortable and accommodating. During regattas I had crew also living on the boat and that worked fine as well. Most evenings i was moored or anchored. So, I am now testament to the fact that one can live comfortably for extended periods of time on a J28.

                                  I am also pleased to report that the shoal draft model performs just as well as the fin keel version. 
                                  I raced against a fin keel J28 at the EYC regatta in Canada and we beat him handily in the long distance race (25 miles) coming in 3rd in our division of 11 boats ranging from 22' to 38' but only the one other J28. In the course racing (5 races over two days) the fin keel J28 edged us out and got a 2nd while we got a 3rd - an Abbot 36 took 1st. We were pretty much dead even with the fin keel J28 upwind but he was a little faster off the wind. He had a new 155 genoa and whisker pole while we had a 149 nearly new genoa and no pole. Bottom line, the shoal draft is totally competitive with the fin keel. I am pleased.

                                  I crossed the lake (Ontario) one day in steady 25 knots gusting to 35 and a couple of times higher, 8 foot seas and occasional thunder squalls and the boat handled beautifully. I put a single reef in the main and used the 149% Kevlar genoa.

                                  Finally, I placed first in a Hospice regatta which also had 11 boats but no J's. I raced in white sail division, by the way. So, the boat goes and all that talk on our web site about the shoal draft version not being up to snuff, I say phooey! My PHRF rating, by the way turned out to be only 3 seconds behind the fin keel j28. I felt there should have been more separation when I was given that rating, but after racing, I think it is more than fair.

                                  I am already planning to sail the boat from Lake Ontario to St Pete, Florida next season where I hope to keep her year 'round in the future. I have attached a picture taken by a friend in another boat as I was passing by this past summer.

                                  <image.jpeg>
                                  Nice looking sails, don't you think?

                                  Dave Hastings, "Headroom"



                                  On Sep 16, 2013, at 10:38 AM, John Power <sailingmaster@...> wrote:

                                   

                                   

                                  I'm getting a max prop as soon as I can afford the price!

                                  Then again why use an engine when u have perfectly good sails!

                                  Nice to see u have resurfaced David!   

                                  JP

                                  Sent from my iPhone

                                  On Sep 16, 2013, at 10:06 AM, David Hastings <david.hastings@...> wrote:

                                   

                                   

                                  Hi Steve. Welcome aboard.   I had the Martec and then the Gori in my J29. The Gori was vastly superior to the Martec. Now I have a J28 with a Max Prop. In my book the Max Prop is superior to the others. Offers more punch, stops better, backs better and is vibration free.

                                  Sent from my iPad

                                  David L. Hastings
                                  5608 W. Woodside Dr.
                                  Crystal River, FL 34429
                                  Home: 352-794-6440
                                  Cell: 315-345-2078

                                  On Sep 14, 2013, at 11:42 AM, "mcclurejsteven" <mcclurejsteven@...> wrote:

                                   

                                  I would like to get a quote on some of the props you mentioned. I looked in the ownwer's manual on this site, but where can you find the gear ratio, shaft size and rotation info requested on the quote form?
                                  Thanks,
                                  Steve

                                  --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, sailingmaster@... wrote:
                                  >
                                  > I HAVE A MARTEC ON MY BOAT NOW, I WISH I HAD SAVED A LITTLE LONGER
                                  > AND BOUGHT A VARIFOLD, MAX PROP OR GORI... THE MARTEC VIBRATES A BIT
                                  > BUT OTHEWISE ITS PRETTY GOOD.
                                  >
                                  > I ORIGINALLY TRIED TO SAVE A FEW BUCKS AND BOUGHT A MARTEC 16X14 OFF
                                  > OF EBAY. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PROP THAT JBOAT/TPI PUT ON THE BOAT AND
                                  > ITS A BIT OVERPROPED BUT STILL GOOD.
                                  > THE REASON WHY I WENT NEW IS THAT THIS PROP NEEDS TO BE BALANCED.
                                  >
                                  > I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME OF MY MONEY BACK AND WOULD SELL IT FAIRLY
                                  > CHEAP IF YOU JUST WANTED A PROP TO GET YOU BY FOR A SEASON OR TWO. I
                                  > COULD HAVE MY MARINA GET IT BALANCED AND SHIP IT OUT IN AWEEK IF YOU
                                  > ARE INTERSTED. I ALSO HAVE AN OLDER 3 BLADE PROP THAT CAME WITH MY
                                  > BOAT (FIXED) ITS A BIT MUCH, BUT AGAIN YOU COULD GET BY WITH IT IN A
                                  > PINCH. I WILL GIVE YOU THE THREE BLADE IF YOU WANT TO BUY MY MARTEC.
                                  >
                                  > YOU CAN EMAIL ME DIRECTLY AT SAILINGMASTER@...
                                  >
                                  > GLAD TO HEAR YOU HAVE A 28, WELCOME TO THE CULT! YOU WILL LOVE THE
                                  > BOAT!
                                  >
                                  > JP
                                  >
                                  > On Jul 14, 2013, at 3:08 PM, wymanfrank wrote:
                                  >
                                  > > My newly acquired J28, hull #8, arrives in Charleston tonight! I've
                                  > > got a bit of work before refloating. Survey says fixed 2 blade prop
                                  > > is shot and needs replacing. I'd really like a nice folding
                                  > > (probably 3 blade max Prop) but my boat kitty is now really low and
                                  > > I'm pretty certain this is where I can cut a grand or more. I've
                                  > > decided to put off the purchase of a nice folding prop for a year or
                                  > > so and go with a inexpensive fixed prop for now. Any advice on makes/
                                  > > models that are inexpensive (relative to folding)? 2 or 3 blade?
                                  > >
                                  > > Thanks!
                                  > > Frank
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  >



                                  ____________________________________________________________

                                   

                                   



                                  ____________________________________________________________



                                  ____________________________________________________________
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                                • Frank Wyman
                                  Excellent info!  And great picture.  Would like to know when you re in Charleston SC next year...maybe it coincides with a CORA race or some such fun
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                                    Excellent info!  And great picture.  Would like to know when you're in Charleston SC next year...maybe it coincides with a CORA race or some such fun event...



                                    From: David Hastings <david.hastings@...>
                                    To: "J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com" <J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 5:32 PM
                                    Subject: [J28Sailors] Summer Report

                                    Hello All,

                                    Yes, I am back and thanks, John, for the welcome. There has been a lot of discussion this year about whether or not one can survive for extended periods of time on a J28 and also on the merits of shoal draft vs fin keel. So, I am reporting on my experience living on and racing my shoal draft J28 this past summer.

                                    I lived on my boat up on Lake ontario from mid June until the middle of August (spending only one night not on the boat) and found it perfectly satisfactory. Very comfortable and accommodating. During regattas I had crew also living on the boat and that worked fine as well. Most evenings i was moored or anchored. So, I am now testament to the fact that one can live comfortably for extended periods of time on a J28.

                                    I am also pleased to report that the shoal draft model performs just as well as the fin keel version. 
                                    I raced against a fin keel J28 at the EYC regatta in Canada and we beat him handily in the long distance race (25 miles) coming in 3rd in our division of 11 boats ranging from 22' to 38' but only the one other J28. In the course racing (5 races over two days) the fin keel J28 edged us out and got a 2nd while we got a 3rd - an Abbot 36 took 1st. We were pretty much dead even with the fin keel J28 upwind but he was a little faster off the wind. He had a new 155 genoa and whisker pole while we had a 149 nearly new genoa and no pole. Bottom line, the shoal draft is totally competitive with the fin keel. I am pleased.

                                    I crossed the lake (Ontario) one day in steady 25 knots gusting to 35 and a couple of times higher, 8 foot seas and occasional thunder squalls and the boat handled beautifully. I put a single reef in the main and used the 149% Kevlar genoa.

                                    Finally, I placed first in a Hospice regatta which also had 11 boats but no J's. I raced in white sail division, by the way. So, the boat goes and all that talk on our web site about the shoal draft version not being up to snuff, I say phooey! My PHRF rating, by the way turned out to be only 3 seconds behind the fin keel j28. I felt there should have been more separation when I was given that rating, but after racing, I think it is more than fair.

                                    I am already planning to sail the boat from Lake Ontario to St Pete, Florida next season where I hope to keep her year 'round in the future. I have attached a picture taken by a friend in another boat as I was passing by this past summer.


                                    Nice looking sails, don't you think?

                                    Dave Hastings, "Headroom"



                                    On Sep 16, 2013, at 10:38 AM, John Power <sailingmaster@...> wrote:

                                     
                                    I'm getting a max prop as soon as I can afford the price!

                                    Then again why use an engine when u have perfectly good sails!

                                    Nice to see u have resurfaced David!   

                                    JP

                                    Sent from my iPhone

                                    On Sep 16, 2013, at 10:06 AM, David Hastings <david.hastings@...> wrote:

                                     
                                    Hi Steve. Welcome aboard.   I had the Martec and then the Gori in my J29. The Gori was vastly superior to the Martec. Now I have a J28 with a Max Prop. In my book the Max Prop is superior to the others. Offers more punch, stops better, backs better and is vibration free.

                                    Sent from my iPad

                                    David L. Hastings
                                    5608 W. Woodside Dr.
                                    Crystal River, FL 34429
                                    Home: 352-794-6440
                                    Cell: 315-345-2078

                                    On Sep 14, 2013, at 11:42 AM, "mcclurejsteven" <mcclurejsteven@...> wrote:

                                     
                                    I would like to get a quote on some of the props you mentioned. I looked in the ownwer's manual on this site, but where can you find the gear ratio, shaft size and rotation info requested on the quote form?
                                    Thanks,
                                    Steve

                                    --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, sailingmaster@... wrote:
                                    >
                                    > I HAVE A MARTEC ON MY BOAT NOW, I WISH I HAD SAVED A LITTLE LONGER
                                    > AND BOUGHT A VARIFOLD, MAX PROP OR GORI... THE MARTEC VIBRATES A BIT
                                    > BUT OTHEWISE ITS PRETTY GOOD.
                                    >
                                    > I ORIGINALLY TRIED TO SAVE A FEW BUCKS AND BOUGHT A MARTEC 16X14 OFF
                                    > OF EBAY. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PROP THAT JBOAT/TPI PUT ON THE BOAT AND
                                    > ITS A BIT OVERPROPED BUT STILL GOOD.
                                    > THE REASON WHY I WENT NEW IS THAT THIS PROP NEEDS TO BE BALANCED.
                                    >
                                    > I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME OF MY MONEY BACK AND WOULD SELL IT FAIRLY
                                    > CHEAP IF YOU JUST WANTED A PROP TO GET YOU BY FOR A SEASON OR TWO. I
                                    > COULD HAVE MY MARINA GET IT BALANCED AND SHIP IT OUT IN AWEEK IF YOU
                                    > ARE INTERSTED. I ALSO HAVE AN OLDER 3 BLADE PROP THAT CAME WITH MY
                                    > BOAT (FIXED) ITS A BIT MUCH, BUT AGAIN YOU COULD GET BY WITH IT IN A
                                    > PINCH. I WILL GIVE YOU THE THREE BLADE IF YOU WANT TO BUY MY MARTEC.
                                    >
                                    > YOU CAN EMAIL ME DIRECTLY AT SAILINGMASTER@...
                                    >
                                    > GLAD TO HEAR YOU HAVE A 28, WELCOME TO THE CULT! YOU WILL LOVE THE
                                    > BOAT!
                                    >
                                    > JP
                                    >
                                    > On Jul 14, 2013, at 3:08 PM, wymanfrank wrote:
                                    >
                                    > > My newly acquired J28, hull #8, arrives in Charleston tonight! I've
                                    > > got a bit of work before refloating. Survey says fixed 2 blade prop
                                    > > is shot and needs replacing. I'd really like a nice folding
                                    > > (probably 3 blade max Prop) but my boat kitty is now really low and
                                    > > I'm pretty certain this is where I can cut a grand or more. I've
                                    > > decided to put off the purchase of a nice folding prop for a year or
                                    > > so and go with a inexpensive fixed prop for now. Any advice on makes/
                                    > > models that are inexpensive (relative to folding)? 2 or 3 blade?
                                    > >
                                    > > Thanks!
                                    > > Frank
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    >



                                    ____________________________________________________________


                                    ____________________________________________________________


                                  • David Hastings
                                    Sounds great, Frank. Let me know the schedule when time gets closer. I don t know my schedule yet. Sent from my iPad David L. Hastings 5608 W. Woodside Dr.
                                    Message 17 of 19 , Sep 18, 2013
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                                      Sounds great, Frank. Let me know the schedule when time gets closer. I don't know my schedule yet.

                                      Sent from my iPad

                                      David L. Hastings
                                      5608 W. Woodside Dr.
                                      Crystal River, FL 34429
                                      Home: 352-794-6440
                                      Cell: 315-345-2078

                                      On Sep 18, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Frank Wyman <wymanfrank@...> wrote:

                                       

                                      Excellent info!  And great picture.  Would like to know when you're in Charleston SC next year...maybe it coincides with a CORA race or some such fun event...



                                      From: David Hastings <david.hastings@...>
                                      To: "J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com" <J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 5:32 PM
                                      Subject: [J28Sailors] Summer Report

                                      Hello All,

                                      Yes, I am back and thanks, John, for the welcome. There has been a lot of discussion this year about whether or not one can survive for extended periods of time on a J28 and also on the merits of shoal draft vs fin keel. So, I am reporting on my experience living on and racing my shoal draft J28 this past summer.

                                      I lived on my boat up on Lake ontario from mid June until the middle of August (spending only one night not on the boat) and found it perfectly satisfactory. Very comfortable and accommodating. During regattas I had crew also living on the boat and that worked fine as well. Most evenings i was moored or anchored. So, I am now testament to the fact that one can live comfortably for extended periods of time on a J28.

                                      I am also pleased to report that the shoal draft model performs just as well as the fin keel version. 
                                      I raced against a fin keel J28 at the EYC regatta in Canada and we beat him handily in the long distance race (25 miles) coming in 3rd in our division of 11 boats ranging from 22' to 38' but only the one other J28. In the course racing (5 races over two days) the fin keel J28 edged us out and got a 2nd while we got a 3rd - an Abbot 36 took 1st. We were pretty much dead even with the fin keel J28 upwind but he was a little faster off the wind. He had a new 155 genoa and whisker pole while we had a 149 nearly new genoa and no pole. Bottom line, the shoal draft is totally competitive with the fin keel. I am pleased.

                                      I crossed the lake (Ontario) one day in steady 25 knots gusting to 35 and a couple of times higher, 8 foot seas and occasional thunder squalls and the boat handled beautifully. I put a single reef in the main and used the 149% Kevlar genoa.

                                      Finally, I placed first in a Hospice regatta which also had 11 boats but no J's. I raced in white sail division, by the way. So, the boat goes and all that talk on our web site about the shoal draft version not being up to snuff, I say phooey! My PHRF rating, by the way turned out to be only 3 seconds behind the fin keel j28. I felt there should have been more separation when I was given that rating, but after racing, I think it is more than fair.

                                      I am already planning to sail the boat from Lake Ontario to St Pete, Florida next season where I hope to keep her year 'round in the future. I have attached a picture taken by a friend in another boat as I was passing by this past summer.


                                      Nice looking sails, don't you think?

                                      Dave Hastings, "Headroom"



                                      On Sep 16, 2013, at 10:38 AM, John Power <sailingmaster@...> wrote:

                                       
                                      I'm getting a max prop as soon as I can afford the price!

                                      Then again why use an engine when u have perfectly good sails!

                                      Nice to see u have resurfaced David!   

                                      JP

                                      Sent from my iPhone

                                      On Sep 16, 2013, at 10:06 AM, David Hastings <david.hastings@...> wrote:

                                       
                                      Hi Steve. Welcome aboard.   I had the Martec and then the Gori in my J29. The Gori was vastly superior to the Martec. Now I have a J28 with a Max Prop. In my book the Max Prop is superior to the others. Offers more punch, stops better, backs better and is vibration free.

                                      Sent from my iPad

                                      David L. Hastings
                                      5608 W. Woodside Dr.
                                      Crystal River, FL 34429
                                      Home: 352-794-6440
                                      Cell: 315-345-2078

                                      On Sep 14, 2013, at 11:42 AM, "mcclurejsteven" <mcclurejsteven@...> wrote:

                                       
                                      I would like to get a quote on some of the props you mentioned. I looked in the ownwer's manual on this site, but where can you find the gear ratio, shaft size and rotation info requested on the quote form?
                                      Thanks,
                                      Steve

                                      --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, sailingmaster@... wrote:
                                      >
                                      > I HAVE A MARTEC ON MY BOAT NOW, I WISH I HAD SAVED A LITTLE LONGER
                                      > AND BOUGHT A VARIFOLD, MAX PROP OR GORI... THE MARTEC VIBRATES A BIT
                                      > BUT OTHEWISE ITS PRETTY GOOD.
                                      >
                                      > I ORIGINALLY TRIED TO SAVE A FEW BUCKS AND BOUGHT A MARTEC 16X14 OFF
                                      > OF EBAY. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PROP THAT JBOAT/TPI PUT ON THE BOAT AND
                                      > ITS A BIT OVERPROPED BUT STILL GOOD.
                                      > THE REASON WHY I WENT NEW IS THAT THIS PROP NEEDS TO BE BALANCED.
                                      >
                                      > I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME OF MY MONEY BACK AND WOULD SELL IT FAIRLY
                                      > CHEAP IF YOU JUST WANTED A PROP TO GET YOU BY FOR A SEASON OR TWO. I
                                      > COULD HAVE MY MARINA GET IT BALANCED AND SHIP IT OUT IN AWEEK IF YOU
                                      > ARE INTERSTED. I ALSO HAVE AN OLDER 3 BLADE PROP THAT CAME WITH MY
                                      > BOAT (FIXED) ITS A BIT MUCH, BUT AGAIN YOU COULD GET BY WITH IT IN A
                                      > PINCH. I WILL GIVE YOU THE THREE BLADE IF YOU WANT TO BUY MY MARTEC.
                                      >
                                      > YOU CAN EMAIL ME DIRECTLY AT SAILINGMASTER@...
                                      >
                                      > GLAD TO HEAR YOU HAVE A 28, WELCOME TO THE CULT! YOU WILL LOVE THE
                                      > BOAT!
                                      >
                                      > JP
                                      >
                                      > On Jul 14, 2013, at 3:08 PM, wymanfrank wrote:
                                      >
                                      > > My newly acquired J28, hull #8, arrives in Charleston tonight! I've
                                      > > got a bit of work before refloating. Survey says fixed 2 blade prop
                                      > > is shot and needs replacing. I'd really like a nice folding
                                      > > (probably 3 blade max Prop) but my boat kitty is now really low and
                                      > > I'm pretty certain this is where I can cut a grand or more. I've
                                      > > decided to put off the purchase of a nice folding prop for a year or
                                      > > so and go with a inexpensive fixed prop for now. Any advice on makes/
                                      > > models that are inexpensive (relative to folding)? 2 or 3 blade?
                                      > >
                                      > > Thanks!
                                      > > Frank
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      >



                                      ____________________________________________________________


                                      ____________________________________________________________




                                      ____________________________________________________________
                                    • william luoma
                                      i just got back from a late afternoon-early evening sail aboard my J/28 Windy on the Chesapeake Bay, sailing out of Galesville on the West River in Maryland.
                                      Message 18 of 19 , Sep 20, 2013
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                                        i just got back from a late afternoon-early evening sail aboard my J/28 Windy on the Chesapeake Bay, sailing out of Galesville on the West River in Maryland. we had a steady 10-12kts out of the south and it was phenomenal - we were dialing it in at 6.8kts up wind and cracking off to 60-70 degrees reaching in flat seas. we were  in the 7s.(on GPS) and passing every boat around us with max of 7.5kts on a reach. tell me about another production 28 footer that can match that! that said, i have a little bit of extra roach in the main (about 25 sq ft at the top) and clean bottom - that makes a huge difference in how she sails. loving my J right now as we all should.

                                        From: "wmluoma@..." <wmluoma@...>
                                        To: "J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com" <J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com>; "J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com" <J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:07 PM
                                        Subject: RE: [J28Sailors] Summer Report

                                        I lived aboard my J/28 in 2001 during Summer delivery from Maine to the Chesapeake which included a month’s stay in Newport, and then again during delivery from Annapolis to Key West in Spring-Summer 2003. that trip took 30 days (22 on the water) and I spent an additional two months living aboard in the Navy marina at Boca Chica. I had a max crew of 3 during the deliveries but was solo in port. fortunately, I had installed AC (Mermaid 6500 BTU unit under the V-berth - fits nicely, cools (and heats) the boat quickly and the extra weight up forward helps downwind performance) for the trip down south and was able to withstand the insects and tropical heat pretty comfortably (also had a tarp that covered most of the boat). without AC, it would have been a little bit hard to take although there were other live-aboards in Key West who were able to do it without AC but not my preference.
                                         
                                        best,
                                        marc
                                         
                                        Sent from Windows Mail
                                         
                                        From: David Hastings
                                        Sent: ‎September‎ ‎17‎, ‎2013 ‎5‎:‎32‎ ‎PM
                                        To: J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
                                        Subject: [J28Sailors] Summer Report
                                         
                                        Hello All,

                                        Yes, I am back and thanks, John, for the welcome. There has been a lot of discussion this year about whether or not one can survive for extended periods of time on a J28 and also on the merits of shoal draft vs fin keel. So, I am reporting on my experience living on and racing my shoal draft J28 this past summer.

                                        I lived on my boat up on Lake ontario from mid June until the middle of August (spending only one night not on the boat) and found it perfectly satisfactory. Very comfortable and accommodating. During regattas I had crew also living on the boat and that worked fine as well. Most evenings i was moored or anchored. So, I am now testament to the fact that one can live comfortably for extended periods of time on a J28.

                                        I am also pleased to report that the shoal draft model performs just as well as the fin keel version. 
                                        I raced against a fin keel J28 at the EYC regatta in Canada and we beat him handily in the long distance race (25 miles) coming in 3rd in our division of 11 boats ranging from 22' to 38' but only the one other J28. In the course racing (5 races over two days) the fin keel J28 edged us out and got a 2nd while we got a 3rd - an Abbot 36 took 1st. We were pretty much dead even with the fin keel J28 upwind but he was a little faster off the wind. He had a new 155 genoa and whisker pole while we had a 149 nearly new genoa and no pole. Bottom line, the shoal draft is totally competitive with the fin keel. I am pleased.

                                        I crossed the lake (Ontario) one day in steady 25 knots gusting to 35 and a couple of times higher, 8 foot seas and occasional thunder squalls and the boat handled beautifully. I put a single reef in the main and used the 149% Kevlar genoa.

                                        Finally, I placed first in a Hospice regatta which also had 11 boats but no J's. I raced in white sail division, by the way. So, the boat goes and all that talk on our web site about the shoal draft version not being up to snuff, I say phooey! My PHRF rating, by the way turned out to be only 3 seconds behind the fin keel j28. I felt there should have been more separation when I was given that rating, but after racing, I think it is more than fair.

                                        I am already planning to sail the boat from Lake Ontario to St Pete, Florida next season where I hope to keep her year 'round in the future. I have attached a picture taken by a friend in another boat as I was passing by this past summer.


                                        Nice looking sails, don't you think?

                                        Dave Hastings, "Headroom"



                                        On Sep 16, 2013, at 10:38 AM, John Power <sailingmaster@...> wrote:

                                         
                                         
                                        I'm getting a max prop as soon as I can afford the price!

                                        Then again why use an engine when u have perfectly good sails!

                                        Nice to see u have resurfaced David!   

                                        JP

                                        Sent from my iPhone

                                        On Sep 16, 2013, at 10:06 AM, David Hastings <david.hastings@...> wrote:

                                         
                                         
                                        Hi Steve. Welcome aboard.   I had the Martec and then the Gori in my J29. The Gori was vastly superior to the Martec. Now I have a J28 with a Max Prop. In my book the Max Prop is superior to the others. Offers more punch, stops better, backs better and is vibration free.

                                        Sent from my iPad

                                        David L. Hastings
                                        5608 W. Woodside Dr.
                                        Crystal River, FL 34429
                                        Home: 352-794-6440
                                        Cell: 315-345-2078

                                        On Sep 14, 2013, at 11:42 AM, "mcclurejsteven" <mcclurejsteven@...> wrote:

                                         
                                        I would like to get a quote on some of the props you mentioned. I looked in the ownwer's manual on this site, but where can you find the gear ratio, shaft size and rotation info requested on the quote form?
                                        Thanks,
                                        Steve

                                        --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, sailingmaster@... wrote:
                                        >
                                        > I HAVE A MARTEC ON MY BOAT NOW, I WISH I HAD SAVED A LITTLE LONGER
                                        > AND BOUGHT A VARIFOLD, MAX PROP OR GORI... THE MARTEC VIBRATES A BIT
                                        > BUT OTHEWISE ITS PRETTY GOOD.
                                        >
                                        > I ORIGINALLY TRIED TO SAVE A FEW BUCKS AND BOUGHT A MARTEC 16X14 OFF
                                        > OF EBAY. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PROP THAT JBOAT/TPI PUT ON THE BOAT AND
                                        > ITS A BIT OVERPROPED BUT STILL GOOD.
                                        > THE REASON WHY I WENT NEW IS THAT THIS PROP NEEDS TO BE BALANCED.
                                        >
                                        > I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME OF MY MONEY BACK AND WOULD SELL IT FAIRLY
                                        > CHEAP IF YOU JUST WANTED A PROP TO GET YOU BY FOR A SEASON OR TWO. I
                                        > COULD HAVE MY MARINA GET IT BALANCED AND SHIP IT OUT IN AWEEK IF YOU
                                        > ARE INTERSTED. I ALSO HAVE AN OLDER 3 BLADE PROP THAT CAME WITH MY
                                        > BOAT (FIXED) ITS A BIT MUCH, BUT AGAIN YOU COULD GET BY WITH IT IN A
                                        > PINCH. I WILL GIVE YOU THE THREE BLADE IF YOU WANT TO BUY MY MARTEC.
                                        >
                                        > YOU CAN EMAIL ME DIRECTLY AT SAILINGMASTER@...
                                        >
                                        > GLAD TO HEAR YOU HAVE A 28, WELCOME TO THE CULT! YOU WILL LOVE THE
                                        > BOAT!
                                        >
                                        > JP
                                        >
                                        > On Jul 14, 2013, at 3:08 PM, wymanfrank wrote:
                                        >
                                        > > My newly acquired J28, hull #8, arrives in Charleston tonight! I've
                                        > > got a bit of work before refloating. Survey says fixed 2 blade prop
                                        > > is shot and needs replacing. I'd really like a nice folding
                                        > > (probably 3 blade max Prop) but my boat kitty is now really low and
                                        > > I'm pretty certain this is where I can cut a grand or more. I've
                                        > > decided to put off the purchase of a nice folding prop for a year or
                                        > > so and go with a inexpensive fixed prop for now. Any advice on makes/
                                        > > models that are inexpensive (relative to folding)? 2 or 3 blade?
                                        > >
                                        > > Thanks!
                                        > > Frank
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        >



                                        ____________________________________________________________
                                         
                                         


                                        ____________________________________________________________


                                      • william luoma
                                        i just got back from a late afternoon-early evening sail aboard my J/28 Windy on the Chesapeake Bay, sailing out of Galesville on the West River in Maryland.
                                        Message 19 of 19 , Sep 20, 2013
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                                          i just got back from a late afternoon-early evening sail aboard my J/28 Windy on the Chesapeake Bay, sailing out of Galesville on the West River in Maryland. we had a steady 10-12kts out of the south and it was phenomenal - we were dialing it in at 6.8kts up wind and cracking off to 60-70 degrees reaching in flat seas. we were  in the 7s.(on GPS) and passing every boat around us with max of 7.5kts on a reach. tell me about another production 28 footer that can match that! that said, i have a little bit of extra roach in the main (about 25 sq ft at the top) and clean bottom - that makes a huge difference in how she sails. loving my J right now as we all should.

                                          From: "wmluoma@..." <wmluoma@...>
                                          To: "J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com" <J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com>; "J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com" <J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com>
                                          Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:07 PM
                                          Subject: RE: [J28Sailors] Summer Report

                                          I lived aboard my J/28 in 2001 during Summer delivery from Maine to the Chesapeake which included a month’s stay in Newport, and then again during delivery from Annapolis to Key West in Spring-Summer 2003. that trip took 30 days (22 on the water) and I spent an additional two months living aboard in the Navy marina at Boca Chica. I had a max crew of 3 during the deliveries but was solo in port. fortunately, I had installed AC (Mermaid 6500 BTU unit under the V-berth - fits nicely, cools (and heats) the boat quickly and the extra weight up forward helps downwind performance) for the trip down south and was able to withstand the insects and tropical heat pretty comfortably (also had a tarp that covered most of the boat). without AC, it would have been a little bit hard to take although there were other live-aboards in Key West who were able to do it without AC but not my preference.
                                           
                                          best,
                                          marc
                                           
                                          Sent from Windows Mail
                                           
                                          From: David Hastings
                                          Sent: ‎September‎ ‎17‎, ‎2013 ‎5‎:‎32‎ ‎PM
                                          To: J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: [J28Sailors] Summer Report
                                           
                                          Hello All,

                                          Yes, I am back and thanks, John, for the welcome. There has been a lot of discussion this year about whether or not one can survive for extended periods of time on a J28 and also on the merits of shoal draft vs fin keel. So, I am reporting on my experience living on and racing my shoal draft J28 this past summer.

                                          I lived on my boat up on Lake ontario from mid June until the middle of August (spending only one night not on the boat) and found it perfectly satisfactory. Very comfortable and accommodating. During regattas I had crew also living on the boat and that worked fine as well. Most evenings i was moored or anchored. So, I am now testament to the fact that one can live comfortably for extended periods of time on a J28.

                                          I am also pleased to report that the shoal draft model performs just as well as the fin keel version. 
                                          I raced against a fin keel J28 at the EYC regatta in Canada and we beat him handily in the long distance race (25 miles) coming in 3rd in our division of 11 boats ranging from 22' to 38' but only the one other J28. In the course racing (5 races over two days) the fin keel J28 edged us out and got a 2nd while we got a 3rd - an Abbot 36 took 1st. We were pretty much dead even with the fin keel J28 upwind but he was a little faster off the wind. He had a new 155 genoa and whisker pole while we had a 149 nearly new genoa and no pole. Bottom line, the shoal draft is totally competitive with the fin keel. I am pleased.

                                          I crossed the lake (Ontario) one day in steady 25 knots gusting to 35 and a couple of times higher, 8 foot seas and occasional thunder squalls and the boat handled beautifully. I put a single reef in the main and used the 149% Kevlar genoa.

                                          Finally, I placed first in a Hospice regatta which also had 11 boats but no J's. I raced in white sail division, by the way. So, the boat goes and all that talk on our web site about the shoal draft version not being up to snuff, I say phooey! My PHRF rating, by the way turned out to be only 3 seconds behind the fin keel j28. I felt there should have been more separation when I was given that rating, but after racing, I think it is more than fair.

                                          I am already planning to sail the boat from Lake Ontario to St Pete, Florida next season where I hope to keep her year 'round in the future. I have attached a picture taken by a friend in another boat as I was passing by this past summer.


                                          Nice looking sails, don't you think?

                                          Dave Hastings, "Headroom"



                                          On Sep 16, 2013, at 10:38 AM, John Power <sailingmaster@...> wrote:

                                           
                                           
                                          I'm getting a max prop as soon as I can afford the price!

                                          Then again why use an engine when u have perfectly good sails!

                                          Nice to see u have resurfaced David!   

                                          JP

                                          Sent from my iPhone

                                          On Sep 16, 2013, at 10:06 AM, David Hastings <david.hastings@...> wrote:

                                           
                                           
                                          Hi Steve. Welcome aboard.   I had the Martec and then the Gori in my J29. The Gori was vastly superior to the Martec. Now I have a J28 with a Max Prop. In my book the Max Prop is superior to the others. Offers more punch, stops better, backs better and is vibration free.

                                          Sent from my iPad

                                          David L. Hastings
                                          5608 W. Woodside Dr.
                                          Crystal River, FL 34429
                                          Home: 352-794-6440
                                          Cell: 315-345-2078

                                          On Sep 14, 2013, at 11:42 AM, "mcclurejsteven" <mcclurejsteven@...> wrote:

                                           
                                          I would like to get a quote on some of the props you mentioned. I looked in the ownwer's manual on this site, but where can you find the gear ratio, shaft size and rotation info requested on the quote form?
                                          Thanks,
                                          Steve

                                          --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, sailingmaster@... wrote:
                                          >
                                          > I HAVE A MARTEC ON MY BOAT NOW, I WISH I HAD SAVED A LITTLE LONGER
                                          > AND BOUGHT A VARIFOLD, MAX PROP OR GORI... THE MARTEC VIBRATES A BIT
                                          > BUT OTHEWISE ITS PRETTY GOOD.
                                          >
                                          > I ORIGINALLY TRIED TO SAVE A FEW BUCKS AND BOUGHT A MARTEC 16X14 OFF
                                          > OF EBAY. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PROP THAT JBOAT/TPI PUT ON THE BOAT AND
                                          > ITS A BIT OVERPROPED BUT STILL GOOD.
                                          > THE REASON WHY I WENT NEW IS THAT THIS PROP NEEDS TO BE BALANCED.
                                          >
                                          > I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME OF MY MONEY BACK AND WOULD SELL IT FAIRLY
                                          > CHEAP IF YOU JUST WANTED A PROP TO GET YOU BY FOR A SEASON OR TWO. I
                                          > COULD HAVE MY MARINA GET IT BALANCED AND SHIP IT OUT IN AWEEK IF YOU
                                          > ARE INTERSTED. I ALSO HAVE AN OLDER 3 BLADE PROP THAT CAME WITH MY
                                          > BOAT (FIXED) ITS A BIT MUCH, BUT AGAIN YOU COULD GET BY WITH IT IN A
                                          > PINCH. I WILL GIVE YOU THE THREE BLADE IF YOU WANT TO BUY MY MARTEC.
                                          >
                                          > YOU CAN EMAIL ME DIRECTLY AT SAILINGMASTER@...
                                          >
                                          > GLAD TO HEAR YOU HAVE A 28, WELCOME TO THE CULT! YOU WILL LOVE THE
                                          > BOAT!
                                          >
                                          > JP
                                          >
                                          > On Jul 14, 2013, at 3:08 PM, wymanfrank wrote:
                                          >
                                          > > My newly acquired J28, hull #8, arrives in Charleston tonight! I've
                                          > > got a bit of work before refloating. Survey says fixed 2 blade prop
                                          > > is shot and needs replacing. I'd really like a nice folding
                                          > > (probably 3 blade max Prop) but my boat kitty is now really low and
                                          > > I'm pretty certain this is where I can cut a grand or more. I've
                                          > > decided to put off the purchase of a nice folding prop for a year or
                                          > > so and go with a inexpensive fixed prop for now. Any advice on makes/
                                          > > models that are inexpensive (relative to folding)? 2 or 3 blade?
                                          > >
                                          > > Thanks!
                                          > > Frank
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          >



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