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  • David Hastings
    Hello All, There has been a lot of discussion about leaking around chainplates. I hope you will find the attachment helpful. I m happy to answer any questions
    Message 1 of 11 , Apr 20 12:02 PM
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    Hello All,

    There has been a lot of discussion about leaking around chainplates. I hope you will find the attachment helpful. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have after reading my little essay. I will take some pictures in June of the chainplate islands I built on my boat (Headroom) and publish them at that time. Right now I'm in Florida and my boat is in New York state. I sure enjoy all of your exchanges.

    David Hastings
    5608 W. Woodside Drive
    Crystal River, FL 34429
    Home Phone: 352-794-6440
    Cell: 315.345.2078

    ____________________________________________________________
    How to Sleep Like a Rock
    Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night.
    http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5172e66835fe2666654b4st04duc
  • Jeff Hoagg
    David, I can t seem to open the attachment.  I m on a Mac so that may be why.    Would you mind sending the document directly to my email:    
    Message 2 of 11 , Apr 20 1:53 PM
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      David,
      I can't seem to open the attachment.  I'm on a Mac so that may be why.    Would you mind sending the document directly to my email:      jhoagg@...     Thanks.  

      Also, I paid more for the Harken windward sheeting car than I thought.   They are in the $400 or so price range.   If it fits and you want it, I think $150 would be fair?      Jeff    

          

      From: David Hastings <david.hastings@...>
      To: J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 3:02 PM
      Subject: [J28Sailors] Chainplate Islands [1 Attachment]

       
      Hello All,

      There has been a lot of discussion about leaking around chainplates. I hope you will find the attachment helpful. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have after reading my little essay. I will take some pictures in June of the chainplate islands I built on my boat (Headroom) and publish them at that time. Right now I'm in Florida and my boat is in New York state. I sure enjoy all of your exchanges.

      David Hastings
      5608 W. Woodside Drive
      Crystal River, FL 34429
      Home Phone: 352-794-6440
      Cell: 315.345.2078

      __________________________________________________________
      How to Sleep Like a Rock
      Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night.
      http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5172e66835fe2666654b4st04duc


    • thistle4002
      Thanks for posting the article David. I had the same issue as Jeff and cant open it on my mac. Also thanks for the help with the deck recore. I am almost
      Message 3 of 11 , Apr 21 5:36 AM
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        Thanks for posting the article David.  I had the same issue as Jeff and cant open it on my mac.

        Also thanks for the help with the deck recore.  I am almost done.  Your advice and the article you sent about the repair were excellent.
        Hardest part of the job is getting a a 6'2 250 lb 50 year old into all those corners ( I never did figure out how to remove the port cabinet!!!!!
        Anyhow the job is done and the boat splashes Next weekend....off to do bottom paint!

        JP
        On Apr 20, 2013, at 3:02 PM, David Hastings wrote:

         

        Hello All,

        There has been a lot of discussion about leaking around chainplates. I hope you will find the attachment helpful. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have after reading my little essay. I will take some pictures in June of the chainplate islands I built on my boat (Headroom) and publish them at that time. Right now I'm in Florida and my boat is in New York state. I sure enjoy all of your exchanges.

        David Hastings
        5608 W. Woodside Drive
        Crystal River, FL 34429
        Home Phone: 352-794-6440
        Cell: 315.345.2078

        __________________________________________________________
        How to Sleep Like a Rock
        Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night.
        http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5172e66835fe2666654b4st04duc


      • thistle4002
        Hello all, You may remember me posting and asking about this before. Last fall when my boat was hauled, I notices a small hole in the side of my keep and it
        Message 4 of 11 , Apr 21 4:55 PM
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          Hello all, 

          You may remember me posting and asking about this before. 

          Last fall when my boat was hauled, I notices a small hole in the side of my keep and it looked like water had drained out.  Since no water went into the boat, i Assumed it was some sort of defect in the keel.lead that just finally showed up... 

          Today, as I began to prep the bottom for paint, I went to inspect the hole as I was going to fill it with epoxy...as i cleaned it out with an awl, water immediatley started to drain out. I realized it was coming from the keep sump because it was actually the antifreeze I had put in there last winter.  After lots of wondering and worrying, swearing and cleaining out the entire bilge, I found that there is an actual drain in the side of the keel  It has a brass "bushing" )for lack of 
          a better name) with a tiny hoe thru it. The opening is definately visible in the center of the keep sump on the port side. It was tough to spot, but luckily for me, as the sun went down this afternoon, i coud see light shining thru.

          Anyhow, I am wondering what I should do to seal this up?  I assume at one time there was some sort of screw in the hole but the threads seem to be long gone.  I dont know if epoxy will bond to the lead and brass.
          though about a stainless screw and some 5200 covered with epoxy...I just dont want to find my boat underwater later this spring.....might be time to go back to a thistle...at least they still float ( and sail when filled with water)

          Thanks in advance

          JP
          On Apr 20, 2013, at 3:02 PM, David Hastings wrote:

           

          Hello All,

          There has been a lot of discussion about leaking around chainplates. I hope you will find the attachment helpful. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have after reading my little essay. I will take some pictures in June of the chainplate islands I built on my boat (Headroom) and publish them at that time. Right now I'm in Florida and my boat is in New York state. I sure enjoy all of your exchanges.

          David Hastings
          5608 W. Woodside Drive
          Crystal River, FL 34429
          Home Phone: 352-794-6440
          Cell: 315.345.2078

          __________________________________________________________
          How to Sleep Like a Rock
          Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night.
          http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5172e66835fe2666654b4st04duc


        • David Hastings
          I would insert a SS pan head sheet metal screw along with some 3M 5200. That should do it. You don t need to use epoxy. After all, thru hull fittings are
          Message 5 of 11 , Apr 21 5:39 PM
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            I would insert a SS pan head sheet metal screw along with some 3M 5200. That should do it. You don't need to use epoxy. After all, thru hull fittings are sealed only with 5200, not epoxy. And, 5200 will bond to the SS screw and the brass or copper fitting.

            Sent from my iPad

            David L. Hastings
            5608 W. Woodside Dr.
            Crystal River, FL 34429
            Home: 352-794-6440
            Cell: 315-345-2078

            On Apr 21, 2013, at 7:55 PM, sailingmaster@... wrote:

             

            Hello all, 


            You may remember me posting and asking about this before. 

            Last fall when my boat was hauled, I notices a small hole in the side of my keep and it looked like water had drained out.  Since no water went into the boat, i Assumed it was some sort of defect in the keel.lead that just finally showed up... 

            Today, as I began to prep the bottom for paint, I went to inspect the hole as I was going to fill it with epoxy...as i cleaned it out with an awl, water immediatley started to drain out. I realized it was coming from the keep sump because it was actually the antifreeze I had put in there last winter.  After lots of wondering and worrying, swearing and cleaining out the entire bilge, I found that there is an actual drain in the side of the keel  It has a brass "bushing" )for lack of 
            a better name) with a tiny hoe thru it. The opening is definately visible in the center of the keep sump on the port side. It was tough to spot, but luckily for me, as the sun went down this afternoon, i coud see light shining thru.

            Anyhow, I am wondering what I should do to seal this up?  I assume at one time there was some sort of screw in the hole but the threads seem to be long gone.  I dont know if epoxy will bond to the lead and brass.
            though about a stainless screw and some 5200 covered with epoxy...I just dont want to find my boat underwater later this spring.....might be time to go back to a thistle...at least they still float ( and sail when filled with water)

            Thanks in advance

            JP
            On Apr 20, 2013, at 3:02 PM, David Hastings wrote:

             

            Hello All,

            There has been a lot of discussion about leaking around chainplates. I hope you will find the attachment helpful. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have after reading my little essay. I will take some pictures in June of the chainplate islands I built on my boat (Headroom) and publish them at that time. Right now I'm in Florida and my boat is in New York state. I sure enjoy all of your exchanges.

            David Hastings
            5608 W. Woodside Drive
            Crystal River, FL 34429
            Home Phone: 352-794-6440
            Cell: 315.345.2078

            __________________________________________________________
            How to Sleep Like a Rock
            Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night.
            http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5172e66835fe2666654b4st04duc




            ____________________________________________________________
            New Rule in Mississippi
            If You Pay For Car Insurance You Better Read This Now...
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          • Jason Smith
            I d be very surprised if this was a factory drain. I would proceed with caution
            Message 6 of 11 , Apr 21 6:00 PM
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              I'd be very surprised if this was a factory drain.  I would proceed with caution

              On Sunday, April 21, 2013, David Hastings wrote:
               

              I would insert a SS pan head sheet metal screw along with some 3M 5200. That should do it. You don't need to use epoxy. After all, thru hull fittings are sealed only with 5200, not epoxy. And, 5200 will bond to the SS screw and the brass or copper fitting.

              Sent from my iPad

              David L. Hastings
              5608 W. Woodside Dr.
              Crystal River, FL 34429
              Home: 352-794-6440
              Cell: 315-345-2078

              On Apr 21, 2013, at 7:55 PM, sailingmaster@... wrote:

               

              Hello all, 


              You may remember me posting and asking about this before. 

              Last fall when my boat was hauled, I notices a small hole in the side of my keep and it looked like water had drained out.  Since no water went into the boat, i Assumed it was some sort of defect in the keel.lead that just finally showed up... 

              Today, as I began to prep the bottom for paint, I went to inspect the hole as I was going to fill it with epoxy...as i cleaned it out with an awl, water immediatley started to drain out. I realized it was coming from the keep sump because it was actually the antifreeze I had put in there last winter.  After lots of wondering and worrying, swearing and cleaining out the entire bilge, I found that there is an actual drain in the side of the keel  It has a brass "bushing" )for lack of 
              a better name) with a tiny hoe thru it. The opening is definately visible in the center of the keep sump on the port side. It was tough to spot, but luckily for me, as the sun went down this afternoon, i coud see light shining thru.

              Anyhow, I am wondering what I should do to seal this up?  I assume at one time there was some sort of screw in the hole but the threads seem to be long gone.  I dont know if epoxy will bond to the lead and brass.
              though about a stainless screw and some 5200 covered with epoxy...I just dont want to find my boat underwater later this spring.....might be time to go back to a thistle...at least they still float ( and sail when filled with water)

              Thanks in advance

              JP
              On Apr 20, 2013, at 3:02 PM, David Hastings wrote:

               

              Hello All,

              There has been a lot of discussion about leaking around chainplates. I hope you will find the attachment helpful. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have after reading my little essay. I will take some pictures in June of the chainplate islands I built on my boat (Headroom) and publish them at that time. Right now I'm in Florida and my boat is in New York state. I sure enjoy all of your exchanges.

              David Hastings
              5608 W. Woodside Drive
              Crystal River, FL 34429
              Home Phone: 352-794-6440
              Cell: 315.345.2078

              __________________________________________________________
              How to Sleep Like a Rock
              Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night.
              http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5172e66835fe2666654b4st04duc




              ____________________________________________________________
              New Rule in Mississippi
              If You Pay For Car Insurance You Better Read This Now...
              ConsumerSpending.org

            • thistle4002
              I m still scratching my head, wondering if anyone else has ever seen this. I am email J boats tommorrow. They are good about responding but dont usually have
              Message 7 of 11 , Apr 21 6:12 PM
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                I'm still scratching my head, wondering if anyone else has ever seen this.  I am email J boats tommorrow. They are good about responding but dont usually have much knowledge about the TPI boats.
                I cant see a reason for this drain.  I think my boat was orifinally in FL. so freezing should not have been a concern, and even so there is plenty of room in the sump for expansion of the small amount of water that
                fits in there..

                J
                On Apr 21, 2013, at 9:00 PM, Jason Smith wrote:

                 

                I'd be very surprised if this was a factory drain.  I would proceed with caution

                On Sunday, April 21, 2013, David Hastings wrote:

                 

                I would insert a SS pan head sheet metal screw along with some 3M 5200. That should do it. You don't need to use epoxy. After all, thru hull fittings are sealed only with 5200, not epoxy. And, 5200 will bond to the SS screw and the brass or copper fitting.

                Sent from my iPad

                David L. Hastings
                5608 W. Woodside Dr.
                Crystal River, FL 34429
                Home: 352-794-6440
                Cell: 315-345-2078

                On Apr 21, 2013, at 7:55 PM, sailingmaster@... wrote:

                 

                Hello all, 


                You may remember me posting and asking about this before. 

                Last fall when my boat was hauled, I notices a small hole in the side of my keep and it looked like water had drained out.  Since no water went into the boat, i Assumed it was some sort of defect in the keel.lead that just finally showed up... 

                Today, as I began to prep the bottom for paint, I went to inspect the hole as I was going to fill it with epoxy...as i cleaned it out with an awl, water immediatley started to drain out. I realized it was coming from the keep sump because it was actually the antifreeze I had put in there last winter.  After lots of wondering and worrying, swearing and cleaining out the entire bilge, I found that there is an actual drain in the side of the keel  It has a brass "bushing" )for lack of 
                a better name) with a tiny hoe thru it. The opening is definately visible in the center of the keep sump on the port side. It was tough to spot, but luckily for me, as the sun went down this afternoon, i coud see light shining thru.

                Anyhow, I am wondering what I should do to seal this up?  I assume at one time there was some sort of screw in the hole but the threads seem to be long gone.  I dont know if epoxy will bond to the lead and brass.
                though about a stainless screw and some 5200 covered with epoxy...I just dont want to find my boat underwater later this spring.....might be time to go back to a thistle...at least they still float ( and sail when filled with water)

                Thanks in advance

                JP
                On Apr 20, 2013, at 3:02 PM, David Hastings wrote:

                 

                Hello All,

                There has been a lot of discussion about leaking around chainplates. I hope you will find the attachment helpful. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have after reading my little essay. I will take some pictures in June of the chainplate islands I built on my boat (Headroom) and publish them at that time. Right now I'm in Florida and my boat is in New York state. I sure enjoy all of your exchanges.

                David Hastings
                5608 W. Woodside Drive
                Crystal River, FL 34429
                Home Phone: 352-794-6440
                Cell: 315.345.2078

                __________________________________________________________
                How to Sleep Like a Rock
                Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night.
                http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5172e66835fe2666654b4st04duc





                ____________________________________________________________
                New Rule in Mississippi
                If You Pay For Car Insurance You Better Read This Now...
                ConsumerSpending.org



              • thistle4002
                Close up pics.
                Message 8 of 11 , Apr 21 6:15 PM
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                  Close up pics. 
                  On Apr 21, 2013, at 9:00 PM, Jason Smith wrote:

                   

                  I'd be very surprised if this was a factory drain.  I would proceed with caution

                  On Sunday, April 21, 2013, David Hastings wrote:

                   

                  I would insert a SS pan head sheet metal screw along with some 3M 5200. That should do it. You don't need to use epoxy. After all, thru hull fittings are sealed only with 5200, not epoxy. And, 5200 will bond to the SS screw and the brass or copper fitting.

                  Sent from my iPad

                  David L. Hastings
                  5608 W. Woodside Dr.
                  Crystal River, FL 34429
                  Home: 352-794-6440
                  Cell: 315-345-2078

                  On Apr 21, 2013, at 7:55 PM, sailingmaster@... wrote:

                   

                  Hello all, 


                  You may remember me posting and asking about this before. 

                  Last fall when my boat was hauled, I notices a small hole in the side of my keep and it looked like water had drained out.  Since no water went into the boat, i Assumed it was some sort of defect in the keel.lead that just finally showed up... 

                  Today, as I began to prep the bottom for paint, I went to inspect the hole as I was going to fill it with epoxy...as i cleaned it out with an awl, water immediatley started to drain out. I realized it was coming from the keep sump because it was actually the antifreeze I had put in there last winter.  After lots of wondering and worrying, swearing and cleaining out the entire bilge, I found that there is an actual drain in the side of the keel  It has a brass "bushing" )for lack of 
                  a better name) with a tiny hoe thru it. The opening is definately visible in the center of the keep sump on the port side. It was tough to spot, but luckily for me, as the sun went down this afternoon, i coud see light shining thru.

                  Anyhow, I am wondering what I should do to seal this up?  I assume at one time there was some sort of screw in the hole but the threads seem to be long gone.  I dont know if epoxy will bond to the lead and brass.
                  though about a stainless screw and some 5200 covered with epoxy...I just dont want to find my boat underwater later this spring.....might be time to go back to a thistle...at least they still float ( and sail when filled with water)

                  Thanks in advance

                  JP
                  On Apr 20, 2013, at 3:02 PM, David Hastings wrote:

                   

                  Hello All,

                  There has been a lot of discussion about leaking around chainplates. I hope you will find the attachment helpful. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have after reading my little essay. I will take some pictures in June of the chainplate islands I built on my boat (Headroom) and publish them at that time. Right now I'm in Florida and my boat is in New York state. I sure enjoy all of your exchanges.

                  David Hastings
                  5608 W. Woodside Drive
                  Crystal River, FL 34429
                  Home Phone: 352-794-6440
                  Cell: 315.345.2078

                  __________________________________________________________
                  How to Sleep Like a Rock
                  Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night.
                  http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5172e66835fe2666654b4st04duc





                  ____________________________________________________________
                  New Rule in Mississippi
                  If You Pay For Car Insurance You Better Read This Now...
                  ConsumerSpending.org



                • David Hastings
                  My boat doesn t have one. Leaving the boat uncovered in winter, the bilge can overflow with rain & snow water, flooding over the floorboards. This was the case
                  Message 9 of 11 , Apr 21 6:36 PM
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                    My boat doesn't have one. Leaving the boat uncovered in winter, the bilge can overflow with rain & snow water, flooding over the floorboards. This was the case with my boat, stored in New Jersey, before i purchased it. Bet someone decided to eliminate that possibility on your boat. Up in northern NY where I keep my boat, I know similar drains have been installed on other boats, not on any J's that I know of but other keel boats. I'm sure it's not an original Jboat device.

                    Sent from my iPad

                    David L. Hastings
                    5608 W. Woodside Dr.
                    Crystal River, FL 34429
                    Home: 352-794-6440
                    Cell: 315-345-2078

                    On Apr 21, 2013, at 9:15 PM, sailingmaster@... wrote:

                    Close up pics. 
                    On Apr 21, 2013, <IMG_0371.jpg><IMG_0363.jpg><IMG_0362.jpg>at 9:00 PM, <IMG_0366.jpg>Jason Smith wrote:

                     

                    I'd be very surprised if this was a factory drain.  I would proceed with caution

                    On Sunday, April 21, 2013, David Hastings wrote:

                     

                    I would insert a SS pan head sheet metal screw along with some 3M 5200. That should do it. You don't need to use epoxy. After all, thru hull fittings are sealed only with 5200, not epoxy. And, 5200 will bond to the SS screw and the brass or copper fitting.

                    Sent from my iPad

                    David L. Hastings
                    5608 W. Woodside Dr.
                    Crystal River, FL 34429
                    Home: 352-794-6440
                    Cell: 315-345-2078

                    On Apr 21, 2013, at 7:55 PM, sailingmaster@... wrote:

                     

                    Hello all, 


                    You may remember me posting and asking about this before. 

                    Last fall when my boat was hauled, I notices a small hole in the side of my keep and it looked like water had drained out.  Since no water went into the boat, i Assumed it was some sort of defect in the keel.lead that just finally showed up... 

                    Today, as I began to prep the bottom for paint, I went to inspect the hole as I was going to fill it with epoxy...as i cleaned it out with an awl, water immediatley started to drain out. I realized it was coming from the keep sump because it was actually the antifreeze I had put in there last winter.  After lots of wondering and worrying, swearing and cleaining out the entire bilge, I found that there is an actual drain in the side of the keel  It has a brass "bushing" )for lack of 
                    a better name) with a tiny hoe thru it. The opening is definately visible in the center of the keep sump on the port side. It was tough to spot, but luckily for me, as the sun went down this afternoon, i coud see light shining thru.

                    Anyhow, I am wondering what I should do to seal this up?  I assume at one time there was some sort of screw in the hole but the threads seem to be long gone.  I dont know if epoxy will bond to the lead and brass.
                    though about a stainless screw and some 5200 covered with epoxy...I just dont want to find my boat underwater later this spring.....might be time to go back to a thistle...at least they still float ( and sail when filled with water)

                    Thanks in advance

                    JP
                    On Apr 20, 2013, at 3:02 PM, David Hastings wrote:

                     

                    Hello All,

                    There has been a lot of discussion about leaking around chainplates. I hope you will find the attachment helpful. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have after reading my little essay. I will take some pictures in June of the chainplate islands I built on my boat (Headroom) and publish them at that time. Right now I'm in Florida and my boat is in New York state. I sure enjoy all of your exchanges.

                    David Hastings
                    5608 W. Woodside Drive
                    Crystal River, FL 34429
                    Home Phone: 352-794-6440
                    Cell: 315.345.2078

                    __________________________________________________________
                    How to Sleep Like a Rock
                    Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night.
                    http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5172e66835fe2666654b4st04duc





                    ____________________________________________________________
                    New Rule in Mississippi
                    If You Pay For Car Insurance You Better Read This Now...
                    ConsumerSpending.org





                    ____________________________________________________________
                  • thistle4002
                    Thats a good point. I know a lot of Ensign racers drill a hole in their keels to make sure they can drain and not freeze in winter. I guess m concern at this
                    Message 10 of 11 , Apr 21 6:44 PM
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                      Thats a good point.  I know a lot of Ensign racers drill a hole in their keels to make sure they can drain and not freeze in winter.
                      I guess m concern at this point is the attachment of the brass fitting.  I assume there were threads in there at some point but nothing now.

                      J
                      On Apr 21, 2013, at 9:36 PM, David Hastings wrote:

                       

                      My boat doesn't have one. Leaving the boat uncovered in winter, the bilge can overflow with rain & snow water, flooding over the floorboards. This was the case with my boat, stored in New Jersey, before i purchased it. Bet someone decided to eliminate that possibility on your boat. Up in northern NY where I keep my boat, I know similar drains have been installed on other boats, not on any J's that I know of but other keel boats. I'm sure it's not an original Jboat device.

                      Sent from my iPad

                      David L. Hastings
                      5608 W. Woodside Dr.
                      Crystal River, FL 34429
                      Home: 352-794-6440
                      Cell: 315-345-2078

                      On Apr 21, 2013, at 9:15 PM, sailingmaster@... wrote:

                      Close up pics. 
                      On Apr 21, 2013, <IMG_0371.jpg><IMG_0363.jpg><IMG_0362.jpg>at 9:00 PM, <IMG_0366.jpg>Jason Smith wrote:

                       

                      I'd be very surprised if this was a factory drain.  I would proceed with caution

                      On Sunday, April 21, 2013, David Hastings wrote:

                       

                      I would insert a SS pan head sheet metal screw along with some 3M 5200. That should do it. You don't need to use epoxy. After all, thru hull fittings are sealed only with 5200, not epoxy. And, 5200 will bond to the SS screw and the brass or copper fitting.

                      Sent from my iPad

                      David L. Hastings
                      5608 W. Woodside Dr.
                      Crystal River, FL 34429
                      Home: 352-794-6440
                      Cell: 315-345-2078

                      On Apr 21, 2013, at 7:55 PM, sailingmaster@... wrote:

                       

                      Hello all, 


                      You may remember me posting and asking about this before. 

                      Last fall when my boat was hauled, I notices a small hole in the side of my keep and it looked like water had drained out.  Since no water went into the boat, i Assumed it was some sort of defect in the keel.lead that just finally showed up... 

                      Today, as I began to prep the bottom for paint, I went to inspect the hole as I was going to fill it with epoxy...as i cleaned it out with an awl, water immediatley started to drain out. I realized it was coming from the keep sump because it was actually the antifreeze I had put in there last winter.  After lots of wondering and worrying, swearing and cleaining out the entire bilge, I found that there is an actual drain in the side of the keel  It has a brass "bushing" )for lack of 
                      a better name) with a tiny hoe thru it. The opening is definately visible in the center of the keep sump on the port side. It was tough to spot, but luckily for me, as the sun went down this afternoon, i coud see light shining thru.

                      Anyhow, I am wondering what I should do to seal this up?  I assume at one time there was some sort of screw in the hole but the threads seem to be long gone.  I dont know if epoxy will bond to the lead and brass.
                      though about a stainless screw and some 5200 covered with epoxy...I just dont want to find my boat underwater later this spring.....might be time to go back to a thistle...at least they still float ( and sail when filled with water)

                      Thanks in advance

                      JP
                      On Apr 20, 2013, at 3:02 PM, David Hastings wrote:

                       

                      Hello All,

                      There has been a lot of discussion about leaking around chainplates. I hope you will find the attachment helpful. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have after reading my little essay. I will take some pictures in June of the chainplate islands I built on my boat (Headroom) and publish them at that time. Right now I'm in Florida and my boat is in New York state. I sure enjoy all of your exchanges.

                      David Hastings
                      5608 W. Woodside Drive
                      Crystal River, FL 34429
                      Home Phone: 352-794-6440
                      Cell: 315.345.2078

                      __________________________________________________________
                      How to Sleep Like a Rock
                      Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night.
                      http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5172e66835fe2666654b4st04duc





                      ____________________________________________________________
                      New Rule in Mississippi
                      If You Pay For Car Insurance You Better Read This Now...
                      ConsumerSpending.org





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                    • David Hastings
                      A SS sheet metal screw will cut it. Sent from my iPad David L. Hastings 5608 W. Woodside Dr. Crystal River, FL 34429 Home: 352-794-6440 Cell: 315-345-2078
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                        A SS sheet metal screw will cut it.

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                        David L. Hastings
                        5608 W. Woodside Dr.
                        Crystal River, FL 34429
                        Home: 352-794-6440
                        Cell: 315-345-2078

                        On Apr 21, 2013, at 9:44 PM, sailingmaster@... wrote:

                         

                        Thats a good point.  I know a lot of Ensign racers drill a hole in their keels to make sure they can drain and not freeze in winter.

                        I guess m concern at this point is the attachment of the brass fitting.  I assume there were threads in there at some point but nothing now.

                        J
                        On Apr 21, 2013, at 9:36 PM, David Hastings wrote:

                         

                        My boat doesn't have one. Leaving the boat uncovered in winter, the bilge can overflow with rain & snow water, flooding over the floorboards. This was the case with my boat, stored in New Jersey, before i purchased it. Bet someone decided to eliminate that possibility on your boat. Up in northern NY where I keep my boat, I know similar drains have been installed on other boats, not on any J's that I know of but other keel boats. I'm sure it's not an original Jboat device.

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                        David L. Hastings
                        5608 W. Woodside Dr.
                        Crystal River, FL 34429
                        Home: 352-794-6440
                        Cell: 315-345-2078

                        On Apr 21, 2013, at 9:15 PM, sailingmaster@... wrote:

                        Close up pics. 
                        On Apr 21, 2013, <IMG_0371.jpg><IMG_0363.jpg><IMG_0362.jpg>at 9:00 PM, <IMG_0366.jpg>Jason Smith wrote:

                         

                        I'd be very surprised if this was a factory drain.  I would proceed with caution

                        On Sunday, April 21, 2013, David Hastings wrote:

                         

                        I would insert a SS pan head sheet metal screw along with some 3M 5200. That should do it. You don't need to use epoxy. After all, thru hull fittings are sealed only with 5200, not epoxy. And, 5200 will bond to the SS screw and the brass or copper fitting.

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                        David L. Hastings
                        5608 W. Woodside Dr.
                        Crystal River, FL 34429
                        Home: 352-794-6440
                        Cell: 315-345-2078

                        On Apr 21, 2013, at 7:55 PM, sailingmaster@... wrote:

                         

                        Hello all, 


                        You may remember me posting and asking about this before. 

                        Last fall when my boat was hauled, I notices a small hole in the side of my keep and it looked like water had drained out.  Since no water went into the boat, i Assumed it was some sort of defect in the keel.lead that just finally showed up... 

                        Today, as I began to prep the bottom for paint, I went to inspect the hole as I was going to fill it with epoxy...as i cleaned it out with an awl, water immediatley started to drain out. I realized it was coming from the keep sump because it was actually the antifreeze I had put in there last winter.  After lots of wondering and worrying, swearing and cleaining out the entire bilge, I found that there is an actual drain in the side of the keel  It has a brass "bushing" )for lack of 
                        a better name) with a tiny hoe thru it. The opening is definately visible in the center of the keep sump on the port side. It was tough to spot, but luckily for me, as the sun went down this afternoon, i coud see light shining thru.

                        Anyhow, I am wondering what I should do to seal this up?  I assume at one time there was some sort of screw in the hole but the threads seem to be long gone.  I dont know if epoxy will bond to the lead and brass.
                        though about a stainless screw and some 5200 covered with epoxy...I just dont want to find my boat underwater later this spring.....might be time to go back to a thistle...at least they still float ( and sail when filled with water)

                        Thanks in advance

                        JP
                        On Apr 20, 2013, at 3:02 PM, David Hastings wrote:

                         

                        Hello All,

                        There has been a lot of discussion about leaking around chainplates. I hope you will find the attachment helpful. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have after reading my little essay. I will take some pictures in June of the chainplate islands I built on my boat (Headroom) and publish them at that time. Right now I'm in Florida and my boat is in New York state. I sure enjoy all of your exchanges.

                        David Hastings
                        5608 W. Woodside Drive
                        Crystal River, FL 34429
                        Home Phone: 352-794-6440
                        Cell: 315.345.2078

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