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  • Roy Briscoe
    Your friends are correct, a partially rolled up headsail will distort. Ok for cruising, not OK for racing in a competitive fleet. If you are not going to race,
    Message 1 of 13 , Dec 6, 2010
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      Your friends are correct, a partially rolled up headsail will distort. Ok for cruising, not OK for racing in a competitive fleet. If you are not going to race, I'd go the 135, though the 150/155 gives you a huge boost over the 135 in anything under 8 knots. We found that out this year. We upgraded to a new Doyle 155 because we were getting killed in the light winds with the 135 and we have a lot of dying breeze on Tuesday nights. Warning: the J28 tracks are really setup for a 150, you run out of track with a 155 when the breeze gets over 10 knots.
       
       
      Roy
      Portsmouth, NH

      To: J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
      From: thistle4002@...
      Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 20:40:20 +0000
      Subject: [J28Sailors] Genoa question

       
      IM getting close to becoming a bona fide member of this group. About to pull the trigger on a boat

      Another question...Having sailing racing dinghys my whole life, all with one strictly sized jib, I am curious about people opinions on different sized genoas (Probably the first real big purchase for this boat will be new headsails)

      First question, with roller furling, why do people still ownd 100, 135 and 150% sails?

      Second what is the best size, if you can only own one? I will probably do most of my sailing single handed on Long Island sound (any other 28s out there? I know of one in Black Rock)
      I have been told by DOYLE to get the bigger sail, but cruising friends or mine say that if i need to partially roll it up, it will distort. My thinking was to get a 135 and keep and assym spinnaker on board for downwind and lite air days (realistically, if the wind is light on Western LIS and the TIDE is ebbing, I will be setting the 100%Yanmar and trimming the cooler heavily!)

      Thanks again to all. I have gotten a ton of great advice from this group

      JP


    • John
      Mabye I will go with the big Genoa and save for a 110 next year and carry two. LIS is notorious for light breeze in summer How do you like the DOYLE sails?
      Message 2 of 13 , Dec 6, 2010
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        Mabye I will go with the big Genoa and save for a 110 next year and carry two. LIS is notorious for light breeze in summer

        How do you like the DOYLE sails? They gave me a great quote and I have used their sails in past years. Bullet proof and fast...wondering waht you think

        Thanks for the advice

        JP

        --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, Roy Briscoe <roysail@...> wrote:
        >
        >
        > Your friends are correct, a partially rolled up headsail will distort. Ok for cruising, not OK for racing in a competitive fleet. If you are not going to race, I'd go the 135, though the 150/155 gives you a huge boost over the 135 in anything under 8 knots. We found that out this year. We upgraded to a new Doyle 155 because we were getting killed in the light winds with the 135 and we have a lot of dying breeze on Tuesday nights. Warning: the J28 tracks are really setup for a 150, you run out of track with a 155 when the breeze gets over 10 knots.
        >
        >
        > Roy
        > Portsmouth, NH
        >
        >
        > To: J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
        > From: thistle4002@...
        > Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 20:40:20 +0000
        > Subject: [J28Sailors] Genoa question
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > IM getting close to becoming a bona fide member of this group. About to pull the trigger on a boat
        >
        > Another question...Having sailing racing dinghys my whole life, all with one strictly sized jib, I am curious about people opinions on different sized genoas (Probably the first real big purchase for this boat will be new headsails)
        >
        > First question, with roller furling, why do people still ownd 100, 135 and 150% sails?
        >
        > Second what is the best size, if you can only own one? I will probably do most of my sailing single handed on Long Island sound (any other 28s out there? I know of one in Black Rock)
        > I have been told by DOYLE to get the bigger sail, but cruising friends or mine say that if i need to partially roll it up, it will distort. My thinking was to get a 135 and keep and assym spinnaker on board for downwind and lite air days (realistically, if the wind is light on Western LIS and the TIDE is ebbing, I will be setting the 100%Yanmar and trimming the cooler heavily!)
        >
        > Thanks again to all. I have gotten a ton of great advice from this group
        >
        > JP
        >
      • J. Smith
        The #1 on Compass Rose is a 145%. I just ordered a #2, which will be ~115% and become my primary headsail. I find that the 145 is nice for 0-10 knots. Get a
        Message 3 of 13 , Dec 7, 2010
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          The #1 on Compass Rose is a 145%. I just ordered a #2, which will be ~115% and become my primary headsail.

          I find that the 145 is nice for 0-10 knots.

          Get a rope (or foam) luff to help with shaping when partially rolled up.

          I am using eVolution sails out of Easton, MD. They are terrific, good service and great prices.

          Jason
          From: "John" <thistle4002@...>
          Sender: J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 20:40:20 -0000
          To: <J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com>
          ReplyTo: J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [J28Sailors] Genoa question

           

          IM getting close to becoming a bona fide member of this group. About to pull the trigger on a boat

          Another question...Having sailing racing dinghys my whole life, all with one strictly sized jib, I am curious about people opinions on different sized genoas (Probably the first real big purchase for this boat will be new headsails)

          First question, with roller furling, why do people still ownd 100, 135 and 150% sails?

          Second what is the best size, if you can only own one? I will probably do most of my sailing single handed on Long Island sound (any other 28s out there? I know of one in Black Rock)
          I have been told by DOYLE to get the bigger sail, but cruising friends or mine say that if i need to partially roll it up, it will distort. My thinking was to get a 135 and keep and assym spinnaker on board for downwind and lite air days (realistically, if the wind is light on Western LIS and the TIDE is ebbing, I will be setting the 100%Yanmar and trimming the cooler heavily!)

          Thanks again to all. I have gotten a ton of great advice from this group

          JP

        • Roy Briscoe
          Ww have been happy with the local Doyle loft in Marblehead/Salem, it is only 45 minutes away, as is the local North loft too. They are quick to respond to any
          Message 4 of 13 , Dec 7, 2010
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            Ww have been happy with the local Doyle loft in Marblehead/Salem, it is only 45 minutes away, as is the local North loft too. They are quick to respond to any tweaks needed and have thrown in some extras for no charge, like verticle battens on 98%. Plus I have done some sailing with Jud Smith a few years ago, so I might be a little partial.
             
            Roy
             

            To: J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
            From: thistle4002@...
            Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 01:42:28 +0000
            Subject: [J28Sailors] Re: Genoa question

             
            Mabye I will go with the big Genoa and save for a 110 next year and carry two. LIS is notorious for light breeze in summer

            How do you like the DOYLE sails? They gave me a great quote and I have used their sails in past years. Bullet proof and fast...wondering waht you think

            Thanks for the advice

            JP

            --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, Roy Briscoe <roysail@...> wrote:
            >
            >
            > Your friends are correct, a partially rolled up headsail will distort. Ok for cruising, not OK for racing in a competitive fleet. If you are not going to race, I'd go the 135, though the 150/155 gives you a huge boost over the 135 in anything under 8 knots. We found that out this year. We upgraded to a new Doyle 155 because we were getting killed in the light winds with the 135 and we have a lot of dying breeze on Tuesday nights. Warning: the J28 tracks are really setup for a 150, you run out of track with a 155 when the breeze gets over 10 knots.
            >
            >
            > Roy
            > Portsmouth, NH
            >
            >
            > To: J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
            > From: thistle4002@...
            > Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 20:40:20 +0000
            > Subject: [J28Sailors] Genoa question
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > IM getting close to becoming a bona fide member of this group. About to pull the trigger on a boat
            >
            > Another question...Having sailing racing dinghys my whole life, all with one strictly sized jib, I am curious about people opinions on different sized genoas (Probably the first real big purchase for this boat will be new headsails)
            >
            > First question, with roller furling, why do people still ownd 100, 135 and 150% sails?
            >
            > Second what is the best size, if you can only own one? I will probably do most of my sailing single handed on Long Island sound (any other 28s out there? I know of one in Black Rock)
            > I have been told by DOYLE to get the bigger sail, but cruising friends or mine say that if i need to partially roll it up, it will distort. My thinking was to get a 135 and keep and assym spinnaker on board for downwind and lite air days (realistically, if the wind is light on Western LIS and the TIDE is ebbing, I will be setting the 100%Yanmar and trimming the cooler heavily!)
            >
            > Thanks again to all. I have gotten a ton of great advice from this group
            >
            > JP
            >


          • Thomas Quinlan
            John, If I were staying with one roller furling sail for a broad wind range that included frequent sailing in breezy conditions, I would stay with the standard
            Message 5 of 13 , Dec 7, 2010
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              John,
              If I were staying with one roller furling sail for a broad wind range that included frequent sailing in breezy conditions, I would stay with the standard 135% headsail.  It's slow as the wind drops below ten knots, but is still easy to handle as the wind gets over twenty.
              Summer winds on Lake Pontchartrain where I sail are usually very light, so I do also have a roller furling 145% that I use when I know I'll be sailing in winds under 15 knots.  At that point it's still great off the wind, but starts to be a hand-full upwind.  I also use this as my #1+ sail off the roller furler when racing.
              My #1 non- furling sail for racing is a 155% and seems to work pretty well up to about 12 knots.  I have a blade for racing, but get almost no use out of it (unless you're racing, going upwind, in 25 knots +, it's not worth the trouble).
               
              The fractional rig means you get a lot of power off the main, so the smaller 135% sail doesn't hurt you as much in light air as it would on a masthead rig.  Also, since its fractional, its a lot easier to handle in a big breeze than a masthead sail.  Like the ads used to say for this boat, for short handed cruising, when the wind gets up over 25 Knots, just roll up the jib, take a big pull on the back stay and keep truckin'. 
               
              I've owned my J/28 since '97 (built in '86), and still haven't found a boat I like better for the kind of sailing I do, which is mostly short handed day-sailing and club racing, with occasional overnight and short cruises with my wife.
               
              Enjoy!
               
              Tom
              # 22 Voodoo Child


              From: J. Smith <jason3317@...>
              To: J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Tue, December 7, 2010 3:50:55 AM
              Subject: Re: [J28Sailors] Genoa question

               

              The #1 on Compass Rose is a 145%. I just ordered a #2, which will be ~115% and become my primary headsail.

              I find that the 145 is nice for 0-10 knots.

              Get a rope (or foam) luff to help with shaping when partially rolled up.

              I am using eVolution sails out of Easton, MD. They are terrific, good service and great prices.

              Jason


              From: "John" <thistle4002@...>
              Sender: J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 20:40:20 -0000
              To: <J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com>
              ReplyTo: J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [J28Sailors] Genoa question

               

              IM getting close to becoming a bona fide member of this group. About to pull the trigger on a boat

              Another question...Having sailing racing dinghys my whole life, all with one strictly sized jib, I am curious about people opinions on different sized genoas (Probably the first real big purchase for this boat will be new headsails)

              First question, with roller furling, why do people still ownd 100, 135 and 150% sails?

              Second what is the best size, if you can only own one? I will probably do most of my sailing single handed on Long Island sound (any other 28s out there? I know of one in Black Rock)
              I have been told by DOYLE to get the bigger sail, but cruising friends or mine say that if i need to partially roll it up, it will distort. My thinking was to get a 135 and keep and assym spinnaker on board for downwind and lite air days (realistically, if the wind is light on Western LIS and the TIDE is ebbing, I will be setting the 100%Yanmar and trimming the cooler heavily!)

              Thanks again to all. I have gotten a ton of great advice from this group

              JP

            • Bob Ryan
              John, I d stay with a 135%, and if you can afford it, an asymmetrical spinnaker for the really light air. The J28 is a very good light air boat because of the
              Message 6 of 13 , Dec 7, 2010
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                John,
                 
                I'd stay with a 135%, and if you can afford it, an asymmetrical spinnaker for the really light air.  The J28 is a very good light air boat because of the large main.  From 15-20 knots, we might reef the genoa a little bit since it is so easy to do.  Over 20, the main usually needs to be reefed depending upon your crew weight.
                 
                A furled genoa is necessarily distorted - still functional, but not the ideal sail shape.  I'd be concerned that a 150 would spend a lot of its life partially furled (I have no experience, so maybe I shouldn't say this).  I don't know LIS but I cannot imagine it is that different than Marblehead.  I never really wanted a larger genoa - but I did want an asymmetrical spinnaker.
                 
                -Bob 
                 
                 
                 
                On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Thomas Quinlan <quinla_t@...> wrote:
                 

                John,
                If I were staying with one roller furling sail for a broad wind range that included frequent sailing in breezy conditions, I would stay with the standard 135% headsail.  It's slow as the wind drops below ten knots, but is still easy to handle as the wind gets over twenty.
                Summer winds on Lake Pontchartrain where I sail are usually very light, so I do also have a roller furling 145% that I use when I know I'll be sailing in winds under 15 knots.  At that point it's still great off the wind, but starts to be a hand-full upwind.  I also use this as my #1+ sail off the roller furler when racing.
                My #1 non- furling sail for racing is a 155% and seems to work pretty well up to about 12 knots.  I have a blade for racing, but get almost no use out of it (unless you're racing, going upwind, in 25 knots +, it's not worth the trouble).
                 
                The fractional rig means you get a lot of power off the main, so the smaller 135% sail doesn't hurt you as much in light air as it would on a masthead rig.  Also, since its fractional, its a lot easier to handle in a big breeze than a masthead sail.  Like the ads used to say for this boat, for short handed cruising, when the wind gets up over 25 Knots, just roll up the jib, take a big pull on the back stay and keep truckin'. 
                 
                I've owned my J/28 since '97 (built in '86), and still haven't found a boat I like better for the kind of sailing I do, which is mostly short handed day-sailing and club racing, with occasional overnight and short cruises with my wife.
                 
                Enjoy!
                 
                Tom
                # 22 Voodoo Child


                From: J. Smith <jason3317@...>
                To: J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Tue, December 7, 2010 3:50:55 AM
                Subject: Re: [J28Sailors] Genoa question

                 

                The #1 on Compass Rose is a 145%. I just ordered a #2, which will be ~115% and become my primary headsail.

                I find that the 145 is nice for 0-10 knots.

                Get a rope (or foam) luff to help with shaping when partially rolled up.

                I am using eVolution sails out of Easton, MD. They are terrific, good service and great prices.

                Jason


                From: "John" <thistle4002@...>
                Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 20:40:20 -0000
                Subject: [J28Sailors] Genoa question

                 

                IM getting close to becoming a bona fide member of this group. About to pull the trigger on a boat

                Another question...Having sailing racing dinghys my whole life, all with one strictly sized jib, I am curious about people opinions on different sized genoas (Probably the first real big purchase for this boat will be new headsails)

                First question, with roller furling, why do people still ownd 100, 135 and 150% sails?

                Second what is the best size, if you can only own one? I will probably do most of my sailing single handed on Long Island sound (any other 28s out there? I know of one in Black Rock)
                I have been told by DOYLE to get the bigger sail, but cruising friends or mine say that if i need to partially roll it up, it will distort. My thinking was to get a 135 and keep and assym spinnaker on board for downwind and lite air days (realistically, if the wind is light on Western LIS and the TIDE is ebbing, I will be setting the 100%Yanmar and trimming the cooler heavily!)

                Thanks again to all. I have gotten a ton of great advice from this group

                JP


              • John
                John, I sail with a 135 all season, that is until the last race when I put up my 105. I ve used this sail up to 25 knots (reefed main) with no problems. Only
                Message 7 of 13 , Dec 11, 2010
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                  John,

                  I sail with a 135 all season, that is until the last race when I put up my 105. I've used this sail up to 25 knots (reefed main) with no problems. Only once did I get caught outa control but that was my main trimmer falling asleep at the switch (another story).

                  I have rolled it a couple of times but never liked the way the boat felt or the sail looked. The boat will handle alot sail in a blow.

                  My next sail will be a 150 that will be spec'd to handle up to 15knots.

                  My main goal with the 150 is to get better pointing, my biggest problem when racing. Good luck.

                  John W.

                  --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, Bob Ryan <rryan14@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > John,
                  >
                  > I'd stay with a 135%, and if you can afford it, an asymmetrical spinnaker
                  > for the really light air. The J28 is a very good light air boat because of
                  > the large main. From 15-20 knots, we might reef the genoa a little bit
                  > since it is so easy to do. Over 20, the main usually needs to be reefed
                  > depending upon your crew weight.
                  >
                  > A furled genoa is necessarily distorted - still functional, but not the
                  > ideal sail shape. I'd be concerned that a 150 would spend a lot of its
                  > life partially furled (I have no experience, so maybe I shouldn't say
                  > this). I don't know LIS but I cannot imagine it is that different than
                  > Marblehead. I never really wanted a larger genoa - but I did want an
                  > asymmetrical spinnaker.
                  >
                  > -Bob
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Thomas Quinlan <quinla_t@...>wrote:
                  >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > John,
                  > > If I were staying with one roller furling sail for a broad wind range that
                  > > included frequent sailing in breezy conditions, I would stay with the
                  > > standard 135% headsail. It's slow as the wind drops below ten knots, but is
                  > > still easy to handle as the wind gets over twenty.
                  > > Summer winds on Lake Pontchartrain where I sail are usually very light, so
                  > > I do also have a roller furling 145% that I use when I know I'll be sailing
                  > > in winds under 15 knots. At that point it's still great off the wind, but
                  > > starts to be a hand-full upwind. I also use this as my #1+ sail off the
                  > > roller furler when racing.
                  > > My #1 non- furling sail for racing is a 155% and seems to work pretty well
                  > > up to about 12 knots. I have a blade for racing, but get almost no use out
                  > > of it (unless you're racing, going upwind, in 25 knots +, it's not worth the
                  > > trouble).
                  > >
                  > > The fractional rig means you get a lot of power off the main, so the
                  > > smaller 135% sail doesn't hurt you as much in light air as it would on a
                  > > masthead rig. Also, since its fractional, its a lot easier to handle in a
                  > > big breeze than a masthead sail. Like the ads used to say for this boat,
                  > > for short handed cruising, when the wind gets up over 25 Knots, just roll up
                  > > the jib, take a big pull on the back stay and keep truckin'.
                  > >
                  > > I've owned my J/28 since '97 (built in '86), and still haven't found a boat
                  > > I like better for the kind of sailing I do, which is mostly short handed
                  > > day-sailing and club racing, with occasional overnight and short cruises
                  > > with my wife.
                  > >
                  > > Enjoy!
                  > >
                  > > Tom
                  > > # 22 Voodoo Child
                  > >
                  > > ------------------------------
                  > > *From:* J. Smith <jason3317@...>
                  > > *To:* J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
                  > > *Sent:* Tue, December 7, 2010 3:50:55 AM
                  > > *Subject:* Re: [J28Sailors] Genoa question
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > The #1 on Compass Rose is a 145%. I just ordered a #2, which will be ~115%
                  > > and become my primary headsail.
                  > >
                  > > I find that the 145 is nice for 0-10 knots.
                  > >
                  > > Get a rope (or foam) luff to help with shaping when partially rolled up.
                  > >
                  > > I am using eVolution sails out of Easton, MD. They are terrific, good
                  > > service and great prices.
                  > >
                  > > Jason
                  > > ------------------------------
                  > > *From: *"John" <thistle4002@...>
                  > > *Sender: *J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
                  > > *Date: *Sun, 05 Dec 2010 20:40:20 -0000
                  > > *To: *<J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com>
                  > > *ReplyTo: *J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
                  > > *Subject: *[J28Sailors] Genoa question
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > IM getting close to becoming a bona fide member of this group. About to
                  > > pull the trigger on a boat
                  > >
                  > > Another question...Having sailing racing dinghys my whole life, all with
                  > > one strictly sized jib, I am curious about people opinions on different
                  > > sized genoas (Probably the first real big purchase for this boat will be new
                  > > headsails)
                  > >
                  > > First question, with roller furling, why do people still ownd 100, 135 and
                  > > 150% sails?
                  > >
                  > > Second what is the best size, if you can only own one? I will probably do
                  > > most of my sailing single handed on Long Island sound (any other 28s out
                  > > there? I know of one in Black Rock)
                  > > I have been told by DOYLE to get the bigger sail, but cruising friends or
                  > > mine say that if i need to partially roll it up, it will distort. My
                  > > thinking was to get a 135 and keep and assym spinnaker on board for downwind
                  > > and lite air days (realistically, if the wind is light on Western LIS and
                  > > the TIDE is ebbing, I will be setting the 100%Yanmar and trimming the cooler
                  > > heavily!)
                  > >
                  > > Thanks again to all. I have gotten a ton of great advice from this group
                  > >
                  > > JP
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  >
                • John
                  THANKS to all for great advice! JP
                  Message 8 of 13 , Dec 11, 2010
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                    THANKS to all for great advice!

                    JP
                    --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jfws88@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > John,
                    >
                    > I sail with a 135 all season, that is until the last race when I put up my 105. I've used this sail up to 25 knots (reefed main) with no problems. Only once did I get caught outa control but that was my main trimmer falling asleep at the switch (another story).
                    >
                    > I have rolled it a couple of times but never liked the way the boat felt or the sail looked. The boat will handle alot sail in a blow.
                    >
                    > My next sail will be a 150 that will be spec'd to handle up to 15knots.
                    >
                    > My main goal with the 150 is to get better pointing, my biggest problem when racing. Good luck.
                    >
                    > John W.
                    >
                    > --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, Bob Ryan <rryan14@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > John,
                    > >
                    > > I'd stay with a 135%, and if you can afford it, an asymmetrical spinnaker
                    > > for the really light air. The J28 is a very good light air boat because of
                    > > the large main. From 15-20 knots, we might reef the genoa a little bit
                    > > since it is so easy to do. Over 20, the main usually needs to be reefed
                    > > depending upon your crew weight.
                    > >
                    > > A furled genoa is necessarily distorted - still functional, but not the
                    > > ideal sail shape. I'd be concerned that a 150 would spend a lot of its
                    > > life partially furled (I have no experience, so maybe I shouldn't say
                    > > this). I don't know LIS but I cannot imagine it is that different than
                    > > Marblehead. I never really wanted a larger genoa - but I did want an
                    > > asymmetrical spinnaker.
                    > >
                    > > -Bob
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Thomas Quinlan <quinla_t@>wrote:
                    > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > John,
                    > > > If I were staying with one roller furling sail for a broad wind range that
                    > > > included frequent sailing in breezy conditions, I would stay with the
                    > > > standard 135% headsail. It's slow as the wind drops below ten knots, but is
                    > > > still easy to handle as the wind gets over twenty.
                    > > > Summer winds on Lake Pontchartrain where I sail are usually very light, so
                    > > > I do also have a roller furling 145% that I use when I know I'll be sailing
                    > > > in winds under 15 knots. At that point it's still great off the wind, but
                    > > > starts to be a hand-full upwind. I also use this as my #1+ sail off the
                    > > > roller furler when racing.
                    > > > My #1 non- furling sail for racing is a 155% and seems to work pretty well
                    > > > up to about 12 knots. I have a blade for racing, but get almost no use out
                    > > > of it (unless you're racing, going upwind, in 25 knots +, it's not worth the
                    > > > trouble).
                    > > >
                    > > > The fractional rig means you get a lot of power off the main, so the
                    > > > smaller 135% sail doesn't hurt you as much in light air as it would on a
                    > > > masthead rig. Also, since its fractional, its a lot easier to handle in a
                    > > > big breeze than a masthead sail. Like the ads used to say for this boat,
                    > > > for short handed cruising, when the wind gets up over 25 Knots, just roll up
                    > > > the jib, take a big pull on the back stay and keep truckin'.
                    > > >
                    > > > I've owned my J/28 since '97 (built in '86), and still haven't found a boat
                    > > > I like better for the kind of sailing I do, which is mostly short handed
                    > > > day-sailing and club racing, with occasional overnight and short cruises
                    > > > with my wife.
                    > > >
                    > > > Enjoy!
                    > > >
                    > > > Tom
                    > > > # 22 Voodoo Child
                    > > >
                    > > > ------------------------------
                    > > > *From:* J. Smith <jason3317@>
                    > > > *To:* J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > *Sent:* Tue, December 7, 2010 3:50:55 AM
                    > > > *Subject:* Re: [J28Sailors] Genoa question
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > The #1 on Compass Rose is a 145%. I just ordered a #2, which will be ~115%
                    > > > and become my primary headsail.
                    > > >
                    > > > I find that the 145 is nice for 0-10 knots.
                    > > >
                    > > > Get a rope (or foam) luff to help with shaping when partially rolled up.
                    > > >
                    > > > I am using eVolution sails out of Easton, MD. They are terrific, good
                    > > > service and great prices.
                    > > >
                    > > > Jason
                    > > > ------------------------------
                    > > > *From: *"John" <thistle4002@>
                    > > > *Sender: *J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > *Date: *Sun, 05 Dec 2010 20:40:20 -0000
                    > > > *To: *<J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > *ReplyTo: *J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > *Subject: *[J28Sailors] Genoa question
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > IM getting close to becoming a bona fide member of this group. About to
                    > > > pull the trigger on a boat
                    > > >
                    > > > Another question...Having sailing racing dinghys my whole life, all with
                    > > > one strictly sized jib, I am curious about people opinions on different
                    > > > sized genoas (Probably the first real big purchase for this boat will be new
                    > > > headsails)
                    > > >
                    > > > First question, with roller furling, why do people still ownd 100, 135 and
                    > > > 150% sails?
                    > > >
                    > > > Second what is the best size, if you can only own one? I will probably do
                    > > > most of my sailing single handed on Long Island sound (any other 28s out
                    > > > there? I know of one in Black Rock)
                    > > > I have been told by DOYLE to get the bigger sail, but cruising friends or
                    > > > mine say that if i need to partially roll it up, it will distort. My
                    > > > thinking was to get a 135 and keep and assym spinnaker on board for downwind
                    > > > and lite air days (realistically, if the wind is light on Western LIS and
                    > > > the TIDE is ebbing, I will be setting the 100%Yanmar and trimming the cooler
                    > > > heavily!)
                    > > >
                    > > > Thanks again to all. I have gotten a ton of great advice from this group
                    > > >
                    > > > JP
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > >
                    >
                  • John
                    Ill be in Long Island sound...maybe we should race! or rendezvous next summer I cant wait to get my boat in the water in spring JP
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                      Ill be in Long Island sound...maybe we should race! or rendezvous next summer

                      I cant wait to get my boat in the water in spring

                      JP

                      --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jfws88@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > John,
                      >
                      > I sail with a 135 all season, that is until the last race when I put up my 105. I've used this sail up to 25 knots (reefed main) with no problems. Only once did I get caught outa control but that was my main trimmer falling asleep at the switch (another story).
                      >
                      > I have rolled it a couple of times but never liked the way the boat felt or the sail looked. The boat will handle alot sail in a blow.
                      >
                      > My next sail will be a 150 that will be spec'd to handle up to 15knots.
                      >
                      > My main goal with the 150 is to get better pointing, my biggest problem when racing. Good luck.
                      >
                      > John W.
                      >
                      > --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, Bob Ryan <rryan14@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > John,
                      > >
                      > > I'd stay with a 135%, and if you can afford it, an asymmetrical spinnaker
                      > > for the really light air. The J28 is a very good light air boat because of
                      > > the large main. From 15-20 knots, we might reef the genoa a little bit
                      > > since it is so easy to do. Over 20, the main usually needs to be reefed
                      > > depending upon your crew weight.
                      > >
                      > > A furled genoa is necessarily distorted - still functional, but not the
                      > > ideal sail shape. I'd be concerned that a 150 would spend a lot of its
                      > > life partially furled (I have no experience, so maybe I shouldn't say
                      > > this). I don't know LIS but I cannot imagine it is that different than
                      > > Marblehead. I never really wanted a larger genoa - but I did want an
                      > > asymmetrical spinnaker.
                      > >
                      > > -Bob
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Thomas Quinlan <quinla_t@>wrote:
                      > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > John,
                      > > > If I were staying with one roller furling sail for a broad wind range that
                      > > > included frequent sailing in breezy conditions, I would stay with the
                      > > > standard 135% headsail. It's slow as the wind drops below ten knots, but is
                      > > > still easy to handle as the wind gets over twenty.
                      > > > Summer winds on Lake Pontchartrain where I sail are usually very light, so
                      > > > I do also have a roller furling 145% that I use when I know I'll be sailing
                      > > > in winds under 15 knots. At that point it's still great off the wind, but
                      > > > starts to be a hand-full upwind. I also use this as my #1+ sail off the
                      > > > roller furler when racing.
                      > > > My #1 non- furling sail for racing is a 155% and seems to work pretty well
                      > > > up to about 12 knots. I have a blade for racing, but get almost no use out
                      > > > of it (unless you're racing, going upwind, in 25 knots +, it's not worth the
                      > > > trouble).
                      > > >
                      > > > The fractional rig means you get a lot of power off the main, so the
                      > > > smaller 135% sail doesn't hurt you as much in light air as it would on a
                      > > > masthead rig. Also, since its fractional, its a lot easier to handle in a
                      > > > big breeze than a masthead sail. Like the ads used to say for this boat,
                      > > > for short handed cruising, when the wind gets up over 25 Knots, just roll up
                      > > > the jib, take a big pull on the back stay and keep truckin'.
                      > > >
                      > > > I've owned my J/28 since '97 (built in '86), and still haven't found a boat
                      > > > I like better for the kind of sailing I do, which is mostly short handed
                      > > > day-sailing and club racing, with occasional overnight and short cruises
                      > > > with my wife.
                      > > >
                      > > > Enjoy!
                      > > >
                      > > > Tom
                      > > > # 22 Voodoo Child
                      > > >
                      > > > ------------------------------
                      > > > *From:* J. Smith <jason3317@>
                      > > > *To:* J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
                      > > > *Sent:* Tue, December 7, 2010 3:50:55 AM
                      > > > *Subject:* Re: [J28Sailors] Genoa question
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > The #1 on Compass Rose is a 145%. I just ordered a #2, which will be ~115%
                      > > > and become my primary headsail.
                      > > >
                      > > > I find that the 145 is nice for 0-10 knots.
                      > > >
                      > > > Get a rope (or foam) luff to help with shaping when partially rolled up.
                      > > >
                      > > > I am using eVolution sails out of Easton, MD. They are terrific, good
                      > > > service and great prices.
                      > > >
                      > > > Jason
                      > > > ------------------------------
                      > > > *From: *"John" <thistle4002@>
                      > > > *Sender: *J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
                      > > > *Date: *Sun, 05 Dec 2010 20:40:20 -0000
                      > > > *To: *<J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > *ReplyTo: *J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
                      > > > *Subject: *[J28Sailors] Genoa question
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > IM getting close to becoming a bona fide member of this group. About to
                      > > > pull the trigger on a boat
                      > > >
                      > > > Another question...Having sailing racing dinghys my whole life, all with
                      > > > one strictly sized jib, I am curious about people opinions on different
                      > > > sized genoas (Probably the first real big purchase for this boat will be new
                      > > > headsails)
                      > > >
                      > > > First question, with roller furling, why do people still ownd 100, 135 and
                      > > > 150% sails?
                      > > >
                      > > > Second what is the best size, if you can only own one? I will probably do
                      > > > most of my sailing single handed on Long Island sound (any other 28s out
                      > > > there? I know of one in Black Rock)
                      > > > I have been told by DOYLE to get the bigger sail, but cruising friends or
                      > > > mine say that if i need to partially roll it up, it will distort. My
                      > > > thinking was to get a 135 and keep and assym spinnaker on board for downwind
                      > > > and lite air days (realistically, if the wind is light on Western LIS and
                      > > > the TIDE is ebbing, I will be setting the 100%Yanmar and trimming the cooler
                      > > > heavily!)
                      > > >
                      > > > Thanks again to all. I have gotten a ton of great advice from this group
                      > > >
                      > > > JP
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > >
                      >
                    • Roy Briscoe
                      JP, Where did you find your J28? I was talking with my neighbor at the boat yard yesterday, he said he had someone coming to look at his Tartan 34-2 and that
                      Message 10 of 13 , Dec 18, 2010
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                        JP,
                         
                        Where did you find your J28? I was talking with my neighbor at the boat yard yesterday, he said he had someone coming to look at his Tartan 34-2 and that person had just sold his J28. The J28 owner was from Amherst, NH.
                         
                        Roy
                         

                        To: J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
                        From: sailingmaster@...
                        Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 03:59:44 +0000
                        Subject: [J28Sailors] Re: Genoa question

                         
                        Ill be in Long Island sound...maybe we should race! or rendezvous next summer

                        I cant wait to get my boat in the water in spring

                        JP

                        --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jfws88@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > John,
                        >
                        > I sail with a 135 all season, that is until the last race when I put up my 105. I've used this sail up to 25 knots (reefed main) with no problems. Only once did I get caught outa control but that was my main trimmer falling asleep at the switch (another story).
                        >
                        > I have rolled it a couple of times but never liked the way the boat felt or the sail looked. The boat will handle alot sail in a blow.
                        >
                        > My next sail will be a 150 that will be spec'd to handle up to 15knots.
                        >
                        > My main goal with the 150 is to get better pointing, my biggest problem when racing. Good luck.
                        >
                        > John W.
                        >
                        > --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, Bob Ryan <rryan14@> wrote:
                        > >
                        > > John,
                        > >
                        > > I'd stay with a 135%, and if you can afford it, an asymmetrical spinnaker
                        > > for the really light air. The J28 is a very good light air boat because of
                        > > the large main. From 15-20 knots, we might reef the genoa a little bit
                        > > since it is so easy to do. Over 20, the main usually needs to be reefed
                        > > depending upon your crew weight.
                        > >
                        > > A furled genoa is necessarily distorted - still functional, but not the
                        > > ideal sail shape. I'd be concerned that a 150 would spend a lot of its
                        > > life partially furled (I have no experience, so maybe I shouldn't say
                        > > this). I don't know LIS but I cannot imagine it is that different than
                        > > Marblehead. I never really wanted a larger genoa - but I did want an
                        > > asymmetrical spinnaker.
                        > >
                        > > -Bob
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Thomas Quinlan <quinla_t@>wrote:
                        > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > John,
                        > > > If I were staying with one roller furling sail for a broad wind range that
                        > > > included frequent sailing in breezy conditions, I would stay with the
                        > > > standard 135% headsail. It's slow as the wind drops below ten knots, but is
                        > > > still easy to handle as the wind gets over twenty.
                        > > > Summer winds on Lake Pontchartrain where I sail are usually very light, so
                        > > > I do also have a roller furling 145% that I use when I know I'll be sailing
                        > > > in winds under 15 knots. At that point it's still great off the wind, but
                        > > > starts to be a hand-full upwind. I also use this as my #1+ sail off the
                        > > > roller furler when racing.
                        > > > My #1 non- furling sail for racing is a 155% and seems to work pretty well
                        > > > up to about 12 knots. I have a blade for racing, but get almost no use out
                        > > > of it (unless you're racing, going upwind, in 25 knots +, it's not worth the
                        > > > trouble).
                        > > >
                        > > > The fractional rig means you get a lot of power off the main, so the
                        > > > smaller 135% sail doesn't hurt you as much in light air as it would on a
                        > > > masthead rig. Also, since its fractional, its a lot easier to handle in a
                        > > > big breeze than a masthead sail. Like the ads used to say for this boat,
                        > > > for short handed cruising, when the wind gets up over 25 Knots, just roll up
                        > > > the jib, take a big pull on the back stay and keep truckin'.
                        > > >
                        > > > I've owned my J/28 since '97 (built in '86), and still haven't found a boat
                        > > > I like better for the kind of sailing I do, which is mostly short handed
                        > > > day-sailing and club racing, with occasional overnight and short cruises
                        > > > with my wife.
                        > > >
                        > > > Enjoy!
                        > > >
                        > > > Tom
                        > > > # 22 Voodoo Child
                        > > >
                        > > > ------------------------------
                        > > > *From:* J. Smith <jason3317@>
                        > > > *To:* J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > *Sent:* Tue, December 7, 2010 3:50:55 AM
                        > > > *Subject:* Re: [J28Sailors] Genoa question
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > The #1 on Compass Rose is a 145%. I just ordered a #2, which will be ~115%
                        > > > and become my primary headsail.
                        > > >
                        > > > I find that the 145 is nice for 0-10 knots.
                        > > >
                        > > > Get a rope (or foam) luff to help with shaping when partially rolled up.
                        > > >
                        > > > I am using eVolution sails out of Easton, MD. They are terrific, good
                        > > > service and great prices.
                        > > >
                        > > > Jason
                        > > > ------------------------------
                        > > > *From: *"John" <thistle4002@>
                        > > > *Sender: *J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > *Date: *Sun, 05 Dec 2010 20:40:20 -0000
                        > > > *To: *<J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > *ReplyTo: *J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > *Subject: *[J28Sailors] Genoa question
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > IM getting close to becoming a bona fide member of this group. About to
                        > > > pull the trigger on a boat
                        > > >
                        > > > Another question...Having sailing racing dinghys my whole life, all with
                        > > > one strictly sized jib, I am curious about people opinions on different
                        > > > sized genoas (Probably the first real big purchase for this boat will be new
                        > > > headsails)
                        > > >
                        > > > First question, with roller furling, why do people still ownd 100, 135 and
                        > > > 150% sails?
                        > > >
                        > > > Second what is the best size, if you can only own one? I will probably do
                        > > > most of my sailing single handed on Long Island sound (any other 28s out
                        > > > there? I know of one in Black Rock)
                        > > > I have been told by DOYLE to get the bigger sail, but cruising friends or
                        > > > mine say that if i need to partially roll it up, it will distort. My
                        > > > thinking was to get a 135 and keep and assym spinnaker on board for downwind
                        > > > and lite air days (realistically, if the wind is light on Western LIS and
                        > > > the TIDE is ebbing, I will be setting the 100%Yanmar and trimming the cooler
                        > > > heavily!)
                        > > >
                        > > > Thanks again to all. I have gotten a ton of great advice from this group
                        > > >
                        > > > JP
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        >


                      • john power
                        thats my boat the owners had #24 from amherst NH. great guys The boat is in awesome shape. some moitsture in the deck, gonna truck it to my house next winter
                        Message 11 of 13 , Dec 18, 2010
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                          thats my boat


                          the owners had #24 from amherst NH. great guys

                          The boat is in awesome shape. some moitsture in the deck, gonna truck it to my house next winter and dry here out,  but new bottom job, new rudder bearings, new mainsail, new electronics, engine overhaul and more
                          all this for 27k

                          I am moving the boat to LIS next spring, back to Salem MA in a few years

                          regards  

                          JP
                          On Dec 18, 2010, at 7:59 AM, Roy Briscoe wrote:

                          JP,
                           
                          Where did you find your J28? I was talking with my neighbor at the boat yard yesterday, he said he had someone coming to look at his Tartan 34-2 and that person had just sold his J28. The J28 owner was from Amherst, NH.
                           
                          Roy
                           


                          To: J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
                          From: sailingmaster@...
                          Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 03:59:44 +0000
                          Subject: [J28Sailors] Re: Genoa question

                           
                          Ill be in Long Island sound...maybe we should race! or rendezvous next summer

                          I cant wait to get my boat in the water in spring

                          JP

                          --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jfws88@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > John,
                          > 
                          > I sail with a 135 all season, that is until the last race when I put up my 105. I've used this sail up to 25 knots (reefed main) with no problems. Only once did I get caught outa control but that was my main trimmer falling asleep at the switch (another story).
                          > 
                          > I have rolled it a couple of times but never liked the way the boat felt or the sail looked. The boat will handle alot sail in a blow.
                          > 
                          > My next sail will be a 150 that will be spec'd to handle up to 15knots.
                          > 
                          > My main goal with the 150 is to get better pointing, my biggest problem when racing. Good luck.
                          > 
                          > John W.
                          > 
                          > --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, Bob Ryan <rryan14@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > John,
                          > > 
                          > > I'd stay with a 135%, and if you can afford it, an asymmetrical spinnaker
                          > > for the really light air. The J28 is a very good light air boat because of
                          > > the large main. From 15-20 knots, we might reef the genoa a little bit
                          > > since it is so easy to do. Over 20, the main usually needs to be reefed
                          > > depending upon your crew weight.
                          > > 
                          > > A furled genoa is necessarily distorted - still functional, but not the
                          > > ideal sail shape. I'd be concerned that a 150 would spend a lot of its
                          > > life partially furled (I have no experience, so maybe I shouldn't say
                          > > this). I don't know LIS but I cannot imagine it is that different than
                          > > Marblehead. I never really wanted a larger genoa - but I did want an
                          > > asymmetrical spinnaker.
                          > > 
                          > > -Bob
                          > > 
                          > > 
                          > > 
                          > > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Thomas Quinlan <quinla_t@>wrote:
                          > > 
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > John,
                          > > > If I were staying with one roller furling sail for a broad wind range that
                          > > > included frequent sailing in breezy conditions, I would stay with the
                          > > > standard 135% headsail. It's slow as the wind drops below ten knots, but is
                          > > > still easy to handle as the wind gets over twenty.
                          > > > Summer winds on Lake Pontchartrain where I sail are usually very light, so
                          > > > I do also have a roller furling 145% that I use when I know I'll be sailing
                          > > > in winds under 15 knots. At that point it's still great off the wind, but
                          > > > starts to be a hand-full upwind. I also use this as my #1+ sail off the
                          > > > roller furler when racing.
                          > > > My #1 non- furling sail for racing is a 155% and seems to work pretty well
                          > > > up to about 12 knots. I have a blade for racing, but get almost no use out
                          > > > of it (unless you're racing, going upwind, in 25 knots +, it's not worth the
                          > > > trouble).
                          > > >
                          > > > The fractional rig means you get a lot of power off the main, so the
                          > > > smaller 135% sail doesn't hurt you as much in light air as it would on a
                          > > > masthead rig. Also, since its fractional, its a lot easier to handle in a
                          > > > big breeze than a masthead sail. Like the ads used to say for this boat,
                          > > > for short handed cruising, when the wind gets up over 25 Knots, just roll up
                          > > > the jib, take a big pull on the back stay and keep truckin'.
                          > > >
                          > > > I've owned my J/28 since '97 (built in '86), and still haven't found a boat
                          > > > I like better for the kind of sailing I do, which is mostly short handed
                          > > > day-sailing and club racing, with occasional overnight and short cruises
                          > > > with my wife.
                          > > >
                          > > > Enjoy!
                          > > >
                          > > > Tom
                          > > > # 22 Voodoo Child
                          > > >
                          > > > ------------------------------
                          > > > *From:* J. Smith <jason3317@>
                          > > > *To:* J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > *Sent:* Tue, December 7, 2010 3:50:55 AM
                          > > > *Subject:* Re: [J28Sailors] Genoa question
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > The #1 on Compass Rose is a 145%. I just ordered a #2, which will be ~115%
                          > > > and become my primary headsail.
                          > > >
                          > > > I find that the 145 is nice for 0-10 knots.
                          > > >
                          > > > Get a rope (or foam) luff to help with shaping when partially rolled up.
                          > > >
                          > > > I am using eVolution sails out of Easton, MD. They are terrific, good
                          > > > service and great prices.
                          > > >
                          > > > Jason
                          > > > ------------------------------
                          > > > *From: *"John" <thistle4002@>
                          > > > *Sender: *J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > *Date: *Sun, 05 Dec 2010 20:40:20 -0000
                          > > > *To: *<J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com>
                          > > > *ReplyTo: *J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > *Subject: *[J28Sailors] Genoa question
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > IM getting close to becoming a bona fide member of this group. About to
                          > > > pull the trigger on a boat
                          > > >
                          > > > Another question...Having sailing racing dinghys my whole life, all with
                          > > > one strictly sized jib, I am curious about people opinions on different
                          > > > sized genoas (Probably the first real big purchase for this boat will be new
                          > > > headsails)
                          > > >
                          > > > First question, with roller furling, why do people still ownd 100, 135 and
                          > > > 150% sails?
                          > > >
                          > > > Second what is the best size, if you can only own one? I will probably do
                          > > > most of my sailing single handed on Long Island sound (any other 28s out
                          > > > there? I know of one in Black Rock)
                          > > > I have been told by DOYLE to get the bigger sail, but cruising friends or
                          > > > mine say that if i need to partially roll it up, it will distort. My
                          > > > thinking was to get a 135 and keep and assym spinnaker on board for downwind
                          > > > and lite air days (realistically, if the wind is light on Western LIS and
                          > > > the TIDE is ebbing, I will be setting the 100%Yanmar and trimming the cooler
                          > > > heavily!)
                          > > >
                          > > > Thanks again to all. I have gotten a ton of great advice from this group
                          > > >
                          > > > JP
                          > > >
                          > > > 
                          > > >
                          > >
                          >




                        • john power
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                            On Dec 18, 2010, at 7:59 AM, Roy Briscoe wrote:

                            JP,
                             
                            Where did you find your J28? I was talking with my neighbor at the boat yard yesterday, he said he had someone coming to look at his Tartan 34-2 and that person had just sold his J28. The J28 owner was from Amherst, NH.
                             
                            Roy
                             


                            To: J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
                            From: sailingmaster@...
                            Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 03:59:44 +0000
                            Subject: [J28Sailors] Re: Genoa question

                             
                            Ill be in Long Island sound...maybe we should race! or rendezvous next summer

                            I cant wait to get my boat in the water in spring

                            JP

                            --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jfws88@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > John,
                            > 
                            > I sail with a 135 all season, that is until the last race when I put up my 105. I've used this sail up to 25 knots (reefed main) with no problems. Only once did I get caught outa control but that was my main trimmer falling asleep at the switch (another story).
                            > 
                            > I have rolled it a couple of times but never liked the way the boat felt or the sail looked. The boat will handle alot sail in a blow.
                            > 
                            > My next sail will be a 150 that will be spec'd to handle up to 15knots.
                            > 
                            > My main goal with the 150 is to get better pointing, my biggest problem when racing. Good luck.
                            > 
                            > John W.
                            > 
                            > --- In J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com, Bob Ryan <rryan14@> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > John,
                            > > 
                            > > I'd stay with a 135%, and if you can afford it, an asymmetrical spinnaker
                            > > for the really light air. The J28 is a very good light air boat because of
                            > > the large main. From 15-20 knots, we might reef the genoa a little bit
                            > > since it is so easy to do. Over 20, the main usually needs to be reefed
                            > > depending upon your crew weight.
                            > > 
                            > > A furled genoa is necessarily distorted - still functional, but not the
                            > > ideal sail shape. I'd be concerned that a 150 would spend a lot of its
                            > > life partially furled (I have no experience, so maybe I shouldn't say
                            > > this). I don't know LIS but I cannot imagine it is that different than
                            > > Marblehead. I never really wanted a larger genoa - but I did want an
                            > > asymmetrical spinnaker.
                            > > 
                            > > -Bob
                            > > 
                            > > 
                            > > 
                            > > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Thomas Quinlan <quinla_t@>wrote:
                            > > 
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > John,
                            > > > If I were staying with one roller furling sail for a broad wind range that
                            > > > included frequent sailing in breezy conditions, I would stay with the
                            > > > standard 135% headsail. It's slow as the wind drops below ten knots, but is
                            > > > still easy to handle as the wind gets over twenty.
                            > > > Summer winds on Lake Pontchartrain where I sail are usually very light, so
                            > > > I do also have a roller furling 145% that I use when I know I'll be sailing
                            > > > in winds under 15 knots. At that point it's still great off the wind, but
                            > > > starts to be a hand-full upwind. I also use this as my #1+ sail off the
                            > > > roller furler when racing.
                            > > > My #1 non- furling sail for racing is a 155% and seems to work pretty well
                            > > > up to about 12 knots. I have a blade for racing, but get almost no use out
                            > > > of it (unless you're racing, going upwind, in 25 knots +, it's not worth the
                            > > > trouble).
                            > > >
                            > > > The fractional rig means you get a lot of power off the main, so the
                            > > > smaller 135% sail doesn't hurt you as much in light air as it would on a
                            > > > masthead rig. Also, since its fractional, its a lot easier to handle in a
                            > > > big breeze than a masthead sail. Like the ads used to say for this boat,
                            > > > for short handed cruising, when the wind gets up over 25 Knots, just roll up
                            > > > the jib, take a big pull on the back stay and keep truckin'.
                            > > >
                            > > > I've owned my J/28 since '97 (built in '86), and still haven't found a boat
                            > > > I like better for the kind of sailing I do, which is mostly short handed
                            > > > day-sailing and club racing, with occasional overnight and short cruises
                            > > > with my wife.
                            > > >
                            > > > Enjoy!
                            > > >
                            > > > Tom
                            > > > # 22 Voodoo Child
                            > > >
                            > > > ------------------------------
                            > > > *From:* J. Smith <jason3317@>
                            > > > *To:* J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > *Sent:* Tue, December 7, 2010 3:50:55 AM
                            > > > *Subject:* Re: [J28Sailors] Genoa question
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > The #1 on Compass Rose is a 145%. I just ordered a #2, which will be ~115%
                            > > > and become my primary headsail.
                            > > >
                            > > > I find that the 145 is nice for 0-10 knots.
                            > > >
                            > > > Get a rope (or foam) luff to help with shaping when partially rolled up.
                            > > >
                            > > > I am using eVolution sails out of Easton, MD. They are terrific, good
                            > > > service and great prices.
                            > > >
                            > > > Jason
                            > > > ------------------------------
                            > > > *From: *"John" <thistle4002@>
                            > > > *Sender: *J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > *Date: *Sun, 05 Dec 2010 20:40:20 -0000
                            > > > *To: *<J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com>
                            > > > *ReplyTo: *J28Sailors@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > *Subject: *[J28Sailors] Genoa question
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > IM getting close to becoming a bona fide member of this group. About to
                            > > > pull the trigger on a boat
                            > > >
                            > > > Another question...Having sailing racing dinghys my whole life, all with
                            > > > one strictly sized jib, I am curious about people opinions on different
                            > > > sized genoas (Probably the first real big purchase for this boat will be new
                            > > > headsails)
                            > > >
                            > > > First question, with roller furling, why do people still ownd 100, 135 and
                            > > > 150% sails?
                            > > >
                            > > > Second what is the best size, if you can only own one? I will probably do
                            > > > most of my sailing single handed on Long Island sound (any other 28s out
                            > > > there? I know of one in Black Rock)
                            > > > I have been told by DOYLE to get the bigger sail, but cruising friends or
                            > > > mine say that if i need to partially roll it up, it will distort. My
                            > > > thinking was to get a 135 and keep and assym spinnaker on board for downwind
                            > > > and lite air days (realistically, if the wind is light on Western LIS and
                            > > > the TIDE is ebbing, I will be setting the 100%Yanmar and trimming the cooler
                            > > > heavily!)
                            > > >
                            > > > Thanks again to all. I have gotten a ton of great advice from this group
                            > > >
                            > > > JP
                            > > >
                            > > > 
                            > > >
                            > >
                            >




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