!! Connaught Journal; Aug 12,. 1824 "Carroll Trial - Prosecution- part 2"
THE CONNAUGHT JOURNAL
Galway, Thursday, August 12, 1824
Philip Walsh examined by Mr. Fox
Lives in the parish of Killinick; knows Mr. Carroll the Priest; knows
Sinnot; he lives near him; knew Catherine Sinnot, the child; recollects seeing
Father Carroll at Sinnot's house, went to the house after night fall; thinks it
might have been eleven o'clock when he went; went there, and heard a noise
inside, and then went in; the house was full of people; saw Father Carroll in
the bed; did not see the child at the time; Carroll was sitting in the bed, and
was saying something; he then got up on his feet and stood on the tub; hears the
child then cry "mammy, mammy, save me;" saw the child for the first time next
morning; the child was then dead; saw a tub in the middle of the room; was there
before the tub was brought in; could not at this time get near the bed, the
crowd was so great, but heard the people say the child was in it; can't say who
went for the tub; heard Father Carroll call for some water; a bowl of water was
then brought in, and the Priest desired that to be taken away, and a tub of
water to be brought. The tub was brought in by witness and James Devereux, one
of the prisoners at the bar. Witness carried the tub close to where Father
Carroll was, when the Priest desired him to lift it on the bed. The Priest was
at that time standing on the bed; when the tub was settled on the bed, Father
Carroll said some words over it, and then threw some salt into the water; the
Priest then put his foot on the near handle of the tub, and upset the water,
some of it on his own feet, and the rest on the bed; the tub was turned upside
down; the Priest then said with a loud voice, "Bury him, Jesus, in the dept of
the Red Sea," meaning, as witness believed, the devil; he said this while he was
overturning the tub; saw the tub after that; the Priest sat upon it first; and
then stood and danced on it; the child all this time was under it; the Priest
staid in the house till daylight. The Priest ordered the people to go out of the
room, and he, the witness, immediately went out; the Priest then desired them in
a loud voice not to touch his clothes, on which the people rushed out
frightened, as they thought the evil was then escaping; saw the child's leg, and
supposes the body was under the tub; saw the child dead in the morning; it was
Sinnot's child; looked into the room after the Priest turned the people out, and
saw the Priest sitting on the bed. Identifies Carroll, Devereaux, and Wickham.
Cross-examined by Mr. Bennett
Knows Father Carroll a long time; thought he was acting wildly on the day
in question; he appeared to witness to be insane; thought it strange that he
should throw water on the bed; Mr. Carroll was a humane, mild man; never heard
of his having been cruel; was sure he never intended to harm the child; was
quite certain that the prisoners at the bar did not intend to aid in murder; saw
Neal that night, who had been cured by the Priest; saw a woman of the name of
Peg Furlong; she appeared to witness at one time to be dead, and Father Carroll
spoke over her, and shook her, and she recovered; saw Neal bed-ridden for
several days, and the Priest cured him; Neal can't speak plain; but when witness
went to him after the Priest had left him, he went up to the bed, and said,
"Phil, I am quite recovered;" did not tell this on the inquest; he was sworn
there only to answer such questions as should be put to him, and no question of
the kind was asked of him; saw the Priest go from Neal's house, having his arms
extended and his hat off; would have interfered at Sinnot's to save the Child,
but that he thought the Priest would have cured her.
Re-examined by Mr. Fox
The person cured was Neal; thinks the cure was a very extraordinary one;
will not swear that he does not think Carroll capable of working Miracles.
Mr. Sheil here interfered, and said, that Counsel on the opposite side had
no right to cross-examine one of their own witnesses.
Mr. Fox- Mr. Shiel must surely be aware of my object. The witness is a very
intelligent man, and I only wish, as Counsel for the prisoners have elicited
from him, judiciously I think, in his cross-examination, that he believed Mr.
Carroll capable of working Miracles, that he should correct himself, and thus
prevent a very mischievous fact from going to the world- Mr. Fox then resumed
the examination.- Can't account for the way in which the cure of Neal was
performed; Neal was bedridden, and exceedingly fit; the Priest came over him,
and he immediately recovered. These were facts which came within his own
observation, and he therefore could not help believing that a Miracle had been
Thomas Sinnot, the Father of the Child, examined by Mr. Plunkett
Lives at Killinick; had a daughter named Catherine; she is dead; cannot
recollect precisely the day on which she died; it was on the night that Father
Carroll came to the house; the child was alive when Father Carroll arrived; when
witness came into the house he heard an unusual noise; he stopped, and listened
for a while; and heard the child crying; he made up to the child, but was
stopped; cannot say by whom he was stopped; saw Father Carroll at the time; saw
the head of the child; does not know at what hour the child died; did not see it
but once; saw it dead in the bed; when he first came into the room he saw the
head of the child; thought the child was frighted by the noise; some people
desired him to kneel down, which he did; all the people knelt down and prayed;
saw the Priest in the room after the people had departed; the child was then
dead; he took the child in his arms, and showed it to the Priest; Father Carroll
desired him to lay it down on the bed; did not ask the Priest why he killed the
child, as he thought he would return and bring it to life; at four o'clock in
the morning the Priest called him into the room, and he remained sitting with
him on the bed for about five minutes; Father Carroll made no observation to him
on the death of the child, but said the witness, when I asked him what I was to
do, he said, resign it to the will of God.
Cross-examined by Mr. Shiel
The child was subject to sickness; had no notion that Father Carroll meant
to injure the child; Father Carroll had previously said prayers over the child;
it is the opinion of the people, as well as of witness, that persons subject to
fits are possessed of evil spirits; witness, while the Priest was sitting on the
child, knelt down, and said his prayers, and would not have done so if he
thought any mischief were intended; saw Neal that day; Neal had been bed-ridden
for some time, but got up that day after the Priest prayed over him; it was the
opinion of the people that Carroll had worked a miracle on Neal; the people
thought he would have cured the child, as he had done for Neal; Father Carroll
was considered by the people to possess superior power to other Priests; heard
that Father Carroll had performed a miracle on Miss Browne; it was the universal
opinion that numerous miracles had been worked by Father Carroll; witness's wife
was in the house when Carroll arrived; she continued in the room all the while
the Priest was there.
Re-examined by Mr. Plunkett
Witness's wife is now so unwell that she is unable to leave her bed.
Paul Crowe examined by Mr. Driscoll.
Knows Father Carroll; was at Sinnot's on the night of the 9th July; saw Father
Carroll sitting on the bed; the child was in the bed, and the Priest sitting on
her; saw the Priest afterwards stand up in the bed on the child, after which the
Priest went into the bed; witness also saw him leaping on the bed; heard the
child cry while the Priest was sitting upon her; saw a tub brought into the
room; there was water in it; Father Carroll was the person who desired the tub
to be brought in; he spilled the water on the child; Father Carroll was standing
in the bed at the time; witness was near the bed; Father Carroll said some words
which witness does not recollect; cannot say how long he remained in the room;
does not know whether five minutes or five hours; thinks he was there five
minutes; perhaps three hours; remained in the room till the Priest ordered the
people out; witness then went home, and did not see Carroll since, until he saw
him in the dock.
Cross-examined by Mr. Dixon.
The child's mother was in the room while the Priest was there; every person
present expected that Father Carroll would have worked a miracle; knows nothing
about Prince Hohenlohe.
Dr. Rennick examined by Mr. Doherty.
Is a physician; was called in to examine the body of a dead child on the
morning of the 10th of July; found a contusion on the right temple; there were
also some marks of violence on the body; the contusion was the cause of the
child's death; cannot say how it was inflicted; it might have been done by a
Cross-examined by Mr. Bennett
Attended Mr. Carroll professionally; saw him for the first time on the
evening of the 10th July; the circumstance which is the subject of the present
investigation terminated at four o'clock on the morning of the first day; found
him so insane that he was obliged to put him under restraint; he did not put him
in a strait waistcoat; bled him profusely in the temporal artery; Mr. Carroll
removed the dressing, and witness was therefore obliged to place handcuffs upon
him; he was raving, and speaking very incoherently about the Devils which he had
driven out of the people.
Mr. Bennett here remarked that there was such a thing as second sight
believed in Scotland, and in the North of Ireland the existence of witches was
believed, and it was therefore not at all wonderful that our poor peasantry
should have their miracles.
Witness re-examined by Mr. Doherty.
After Mr. Carroll had been bled , he tore off the bandage, and therefore he
was obliged to have recourse to restraint; he considered him perfectly insane.
Mr. Driscoll said that the case for the Crown closed here.
Mr. Dixon - My Lord, the Counsel for the prisoners consider that the
witnesses for the prosecution have proved quite sufficient to warrant a Jury in
acquitting the Rev. Gentleman. They should, however, call one witness, a
Medical Gentleman, who had been acquainted with the prisoner for several years.
...to be continued...
Cathy Joynt Labath
Ireland Old News