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  • Iranian Symbian
    Ba Salam, Ba Hamid yeki az dosstan faal aziz, mozoh vaght shenassi va daghigh boodan dar massael roozaneh dar email mored bahss bood. Ba Sohrab aziz yeki digar
    Message 1 of 8 , Jan 1, 2005
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      Ba Salam,
       
      Ba Hamid yeki az dosstan faal aziz, mozoh vaght shenassi va daghigh boodan dar massael roozaneh dar email mored bahss bood.
       
      Ba Sohrab aziz yeki digar az dosstan aziz dar in goroh dar mored beh mogheh tahvil dadan projeh dar yek email mored bahss bood keh ishan migoftand keh dar chand projeh keh barayeh yek sherkati dar kharej az Iran anjam dadand tajroobeh khobi nadashtand va jaryan beh daghighe 90 va penalty keshideh shood.
       
      Gooftam shayad behtar bashad bahss ra beh goroh va omomi bekeshim bebinim tajroobeh digar dosstan chi boodeh ? Aya shoma halati ra soragh darid dar Iran ya kharej Iran keh projeh beh mogheh va tarikhi keh gofteh shoodeh anjam shoodeh ? Agar areh, dalayel moafaghiat an beh nazar shooam chi boodeh ? Agar nah, dalayel shekasst ? Beh nazar shooma chekar bayad kard keh yek projeh dar har farhangi beh mogheh tahvil dadeh shavad ? Mitonid dar inja nazaretan ra begoyid ya khaterat khoob ya bad dar in mored ra benevissid.
       
      Ghabl az shoma agar man az tajaroob khodam begoyam,  tajaroobi keh daram dar projeh hayeh mokhtalef dar keshvar hayeh mokhtalef va ba farhang hayeh mokhtalef boodeh. Fekr mikonam in tanha ma Irani ha nisstim ba zaman moshkel darim, hamangooneh keh goftam bisthar afradi keh az Khavar mianeh va manategh atraf didam moshkel darand. Baad dar Oropa harchi payin tar va jonob tar miravid in moshkel bishtar mishavad. Massalan jonoob Europa keshvarhayi messl Italia, Espania, Portugal, Jonob fransseh, farhangi messl khodeman keh hala bebinim chi mishe ziad mibinid. Kheyli shahrhayeh Espania keh mibinid manand baazi az shahrhayeh khodeman zohr ha kareshan ra tark mikonand miravand nahar mikhorand va mikhaband (SIESTA) va 3, 4 dobareh miayand. Albateh shayad in beh elaat garm boodan hava dar in keshvar ha asst. Dar avaz shabha mibinid edareh momken asst ta 6, 7 baz bashad va foroshghaha ta 12 shab manand Bombay dar hend keh hava garm asst va jonb o joosh khood ra darad.
       
      Dar avaz dar shomal Oropa dar keshvar hayi messl Alman, baad keshvarhayeh Eskandinavy manand Danmark, Soed, Finland, Norwej (Norway) har chi bala tar miri hava sardtar va monazami bishtar. Agar gharar bashad saat 5:00 dar Bank ya foroshgah bassteh shavad haman saat darb bassteh mishavad. Hala shoma harcheh mikhayid royeh shishe bezanid keh agha, khanoom toro khooda darb ra baz kon man faghat migkham felan chiz ra sari bekharam beram. Gheyr momken asst dar ra baz konand. Kheyli royeh shishe bezanid momken asst polis beyayad va shomara bebarad.
       
      Choon onha oon saat bayad darb ra bebandand, va baad ghabz hara hessab konand va hessab rooz ra bebandand va massalan otoboss saat 5:37 ra begirad beravad khanash. Agar shoma 3 daghigeh moatelash konid otoboss 5:37 daghigeh ra az dasst midahad.
       
      Albateh doosti beh shokhi migoft in kehsvarhayeh shomal oropa, barayeh in inghdar moratab shodand va sar gharareshan daghigh 8:10 massalan miayand choon otoboss hashoon agar dar jadval zamanbandi neveshteh sobh saat 8:17 miayad baadi 8:23 baadi 8:37 va gheyreh, agar nayayad taraf zemesstoon az sarma oonja khoshkash mizanad va mimirad. Beh har hal har dalili darad kheyli moratab va vaght shenass hasstand va hamin massaleh ra shoma dar projeh ha mibinid massalan projeh hayeh sherkat hayi manannd Ericsson, Sony Ericsson va Nokia. Banbarin bayad havassetan bashad projeh i ba in sherkat ha dar ayandeh dashtid vaght shenassi barashoon kheyli mohem asst, va agar kehsvar hayeh digar oropayi va amrikayi ra dideh id inha digar 10 barabar anha hasstand va in ra khoob asst dar zehnetan dashteh bashid vaghti projeh ha ra anjam midahid.
       
      Ma avayel keh Soed daneshgah ya kelass hayeh digar miraftim, mididim rooz aval moalem ya osstad miayad AGENDA va list tammam karha dar tool sal ra midahad va migoyand che roozi che saati emtehan ha asst. Baad bacheh hayeh soedi shoro mikonand taghvim hayeh makhsoos az kif va jibeshan dar avardand va tarikha ra nevesthan va bahss shoro mishe keh osstad mishe massalan felan test ra felan rooz beh 2 rooz baad montaghel konid choon midoonid oon rooz ghablesh tatil asst va felan etefagh mioftad, bacheh hayeh goroh ham felan barnameh ra darand va gheyreh. Kholasseh hameh movafeghat mikardand va tarikh avaz mishood.
       
      Ya dar kelass hayeh khodemooni kochak tar mididi felani migoft man dar oon hafteh (6 mah digar) massooliat bache ha ra beh ohdeh daram va felan massaleh saat 4:30 bayad beram agar kassi mokhalef nisst in jaryan ra beh saat 3:45 enteghal dahim, hameh negah mikardand beh taghvimashoon va migoftand barayeh man OK asst kholasseh in vaghtha hamoon rooz aval tanzim mishood.
       
      Ma ham haj o baj oon vassat ba farhang Irani, 30 daghigeh keh hichi, 4, 5 saat keh hichi, emtehan ham keh gharar dashtim hamoon shab akhar yek karish bekonim keh. Inha chi migoyand ? Az koja midoonand 6 mah digar che khabar asst. Kholasseh baadan mididim eh rasst goftand chand rooz ghabl az emtehan hamoon jaryani keh oonha migoftand va oon tatilat felan moshkel ra bevojood miavarad va kholasseh ta etefagh nemiotfad nemifahmidim.
       
      Albateh baad az chand sal didim khodemoon ham messl oonha shoodim, az 3 mah ghabl emtehanat ra tanzim kardeh va beh khondan mashghool. Mayi keh toyeh Iran hamoon shab akhar maximum hafteh akhar kheyli mikhondim. Albateh dar oon reshteh keh ma mikhandim dar Soed nemidoonam jaryan ba daneshghah hayeh digar keh khondeh boodam kheyli fargh mikard va kheyli sakht bood va 5 ta darss ba ham mibayesst khond keh bedoon in barnameh rizi va tanzim vaght asslan nemishood pish raft va vahedi gozaroond. Va mamoolan bishtar karmandan va mohandessin Ericsson Soed, makhssoosan dar sath modiriat projeh ha messl inkeh maghaleh i nevestheh bood az oon daneshghah biroon miayand. Vali betoor kool mishe in moratabi ra dar sath keshvar dar in keshvar hayeh Scandinaviayi messl Soed (Ericsson) va Finland (Nokia) did.
       
      Tazeh Finlandi ha gheyr az in monazami dar vaght az Soedi ha poor kar tar hasstand va kheyli kar mikonand. Dar zemn yek khassiati keh in keshvar ha darand keh shoma dar sherkat hashoon ham mibinid TRUST va etemaad ziad beh bala dassteshan va hokoomat va gheyreh darand va khodeshan ra dar hameh massael sharik midanand. Bar akss massalan Italiayi ha keh migoyand massalan hokoomat va oon bala CORRUPTED va fassed asst va dasst Mafia asst pass man chera dorosst kar konam ? Har ja mishe yek joori az kar momken asst bezanand va taghaloob konand. Massalan migoyand bishtar sherkat ha dar Italia 2 ta daftar hessabdari akhar sal darand yeki oon keh beh doolat midahand va daramad ra kam neshoon midahand yeki ankeh barayeh khodeshan negah midarand.
       
      In massaleh TRUST dar yek projeh kheyli mohem asst va inkeh afrad INVOLVED (khod ra jozi az projeh danesstand) bashand. Beh onvan messal man dooreh daneshjooyi jayi dar soed kar mikardam keh afrad ziad az melliat haye mokhtalef donya bood. Az khavar mianeh, asia, afrighayeh shomali (marakesh, tuness va gheyreh). Mididi khareji ha say mikonand az zir kar dar beravand ya beh har sorat yek kalaki toyeh kar bezanand. Ya massalan agar raiss nabood sari 1 saat zood tar beravand khooneh. Az yek Soedi yek bar didam baghieh darand miravand oon hamintoor kar mikonad gooftam to nemiri ? Goft man keh hanooz 8 saat karam ra anjam nadadeh am nemitonam beravam. Man barayeh 8 saat dar rooz hoghogh migiram bayad 8 saat kar konam. Maroo migi pish khodam goftam ajab afradi inha hasstand, bikhood nisst ba in jamiat 9 millionishoon inghadar pishraft kardeh and va in hameh teknology pishrafteh az jomleh ABB, Ericsson, SAAB, VOLVO va gheyreh darand. Kashki ma Irani ha ham yek zamani inghadar daghigh va moratab mishoodim.
       
      Albateh adam bayad vagheh bin bashad man fekr nemikonam ma hichvaght dar Iran messl in keshvar hayeh scandinavia daghigh va moratab shavim va etemaad beh bala dassti keh hatman ehtiaj nabashad kassi bala sareman bashad ta kari ra anjam dahim. Choon in khassiat ra dar keshvar hayeh digar ham nemibinid. Messl Franssavi ha Italiayi ha keh tazeh dar Oropa hasstand tazeh che beresseh beh digar keshvarhayeh Asia va Amrikayeh shomali ya jonobi.
       
      Dar projeh ha inja dar Amrika etefagh hayeh jalebi mioftad zamani sherkathayi manand Ericsson ya Nokia miayand inja va karmandashan afrad mokhtalef az keshvar hayeh mokhtalef asst, choon dar Amrika afrad az hameh keshvarhayeh donya dar Engineering hasstand, az Asia gerefteh ta oropa va amrikayeh shomali va amrikhayi jonobo. Har koodam farhanghayeh khodeshan va tarif khood barayeh zaman. Modiriat in gooneh projeh ha kheyli sakht asst va shoma chizhayeh ziadi yad migirid. Ehtemalan yek projeh dar Iran ya yek projeh dar Soed sadeh tar asst randan choon bishtar afrad yek farhang darand va shoma midanid ba oon farhang chegooneh barkhord konid vali yek projeh keh chand farhangi asst kheyli sakht va dar zemn jaleb asst dar CONFLICT (ekhtelafat) va MISSUNDERSTANDING (dorosst nafahmidan manzoor yek digar).
       
      Choon ma enssan ha mamoolan fekr mikonim keh taraf moghabeleman haman bardashti az kalameh i keh ma bekar mibirim darad keh khodeman darim. Vali az koja midanim keh vaghti man migoyam Giah, ya derakht hamoon tassviri dar zehn fard moghabel man dorosst mishe keh dar zehn man asst ? Albateh Excistenssialist ha va JEAN-PAUL SARTRE (jan pol sartr) dideh hayeh bekhosossi dar in mored darand.
       
      Vali yek darss jalebi yadam asst ma dar daneshgah mikhondim beh nam " International Engineering", (mohandessi beynolmalali) keh dar zemn bazi az raisshayeh sherkat haye bozorg gahi beh onvan mehman miamadand va sohbati mikardand. Yek bahssi bood dar mored etefaghan bardasht az kalameh TIME (Zaman) keh ma eshtebahan fekr mikonim keh hameh farhang ha yek bardasht darand az in kalameh. In bahss migoft keh dar keshvar hayeh sanaati zaman beh soorat yek nemoodar khat mosstaghim asst az chap beh rasst miravad. Keh hatman dar darss hayeh fizik (Physique) ham dideh id hamisheh khat zaman ra ofoghi ba T az chap beh rasst mikeshim ? Hala in bahss migoft ki migoyad keh zaman bayad yek khat rasst bashad va az chap beh rasst beravad. Dar kheyli farhangha va keshvar ha keh halat keshavarzi darand va keshavarzi ghavi asst va sanaati nisst, keshavarzan zaman ra beh soorat dayereh (CIRCLE) mibinand. Choon barayeh anha zaman haman zaman kesht va doro va darakhtaneshan va miveh dahi asst keh 4 fasl avaz mishavad va miayad va miravad, in zaman beh soorat CIRCLE asst. Banabarin shoma bayad havassetan bashad keh vaghti yek projeh dar in gooneh keshvar ha anjam midahid nemitoonid ba zaman va khatkesh va khat zamani mosstaghim beravid oonja va entezar dashteh bashid keh mani zaman barayeh shoma va anha yeki asst. Shoma bayad beh farhang anha ehteram begozarid va choon shoma miravid anja khoodetan ra beh in massaleh ADAPT bedahid.
       
      Beh onvan messal yeki az in sokhanranan mehman khanoomi bood keh raiss bakhshi az yeki az sherkathayeh bozorg Soedi bood va messl inkeh dar Tehran/Iran ham kar kardeh bood. Az hameh daneshjooyan porssid, barayeh shomma inja agar beh molaghat kassi miravid ya massalan agar gharar asst barayeh mosaahebeh kari ya molaghati kassi dar sherkati digar beravid agar taraf chand daghigeh tool bekeshad ta beyayad shoma assabani mishavid ? Hameh javab midadand, va beh in natijeh ressideh shood keh 1 ta 5 daghigeh Ok asst va kassi narahat nemishe. Vali 10 daghigeh digar ziad asst va taraf bayad yek bahaneh khoobi dashteh bashad va mahzerat khahi konad vaghti vared otagh mishavad. 20 daghigeh va 30 daghigeh keh digar harfash ra nazan.
       
      Oon goft in tassvir shoma asst. Vali dar kheyli keshvar ha in nisst. Massalan man dar Tehran keh boodam molaghat hayeman hamishe beyn nim saat ta 1 saat BUFFER (forche) toosh migozashtim choon traffic inghadar dar Tehran ziad asst keh shoma nemitonid royeh daghigeh hessab konid. Ya agar Mexico City beravid choon teraffic ziad asst jaryan beh 1 saat va 2 saat miressad.
       
      Albateh man beh oonvan Irani khoshhal shoodam in khanoomeh in harf ra zad avalan keh maloom shood ma traffic va mashin ham darim va tassvir faghat messl oon fekri keh afrad kharej az Iran mikonand keh ma dar Iran ba CAMEL (Shotoor) va dar beyaban az in taraf beh oon taraf mirim nisst. Dovom inkeh khoshhal shoodam keh dir raftan ma Irani ha ra gardan traffic andakht. Pish khoodam goftam in khanoom khabar nadarad (albateh hatman dasht shayad man oon jolo neshassteh boodam fahmid man Irani hasstim nakhasst kheyli zayeh konad), khabar nadarad keh dar digar shahresstanhayeh Iran keh traffic messl Tehran nisst niz khabari az beh mogheh sar gharar raftan va ya kari ra beh mogheh anjam dadan nisst :-)
       
      Beh har hal hamangooneh keh goftam in moshkel marboot faghat beh farhang ma Irani ha nemishavad. Shayad oon harfeshoon dorosst bashad keh keshvar hayi keh az halat keshavarzi beh sanati miravand mani zaman az dayereh beh khat rasst tabdil mishavad. Kama inkeh shoma in fargh mani zaman ra hatman dar Iran beyn Tehran keh paye takht asst va faaliat sanati bishtar ba digar shahr hayeh Iran bayad bebinid.
       
      Be har hal dar yek projeh keh farhanghayeh mokhtalef darad va shoma nemitavanid motmaen bashid keh hameh bardashteshan az TIME va zaman yeki asst shayad behtarin rah pishraft MACRO MANAGEMENT va donbal kardan TASK ha asst. Behtarin kar in asst keh kari keh gharar asst anjam shavad dar TASK (kar hayeh kochak) taghssim shavad messl haman Use Case keh dar UML dashtim. Baad zaman shoro va tammam. Mamoolan haftegi PROGRESS va pishraft har TASK bayad donbal shavad. Vaghti yeki do mah beh DELIVERY va DEADLINE va tahvil projeh miamanad va aadad ghermez hasstand bejayeh sabz, kari keh mikonand DAILY MEETING (jalessat roozaneh) asst keh afrad be har mozoh makhsoosan aghab oftadeh ha negha mikonand va natijeh ra farda dobareh check mikonand yani har rooz massaleh donbal mishavad. Mah ha ghabl az inkeh beh tarikh payani beressid choon pishraft har TASK ra midanid agar ghermez bood va mibinid taraf nemitavand beh mogheh tammam konad afrad digari komak oon taraf mifresstid. Dar in moord PEER-TO-PEER INSPECTION va ya kar kardan beh soorat  Extreme programming keh jadidan amadeh va dashtan MILESTONE (tarikh hayeh moshakash barayeh kar hayeh moshakhass) ziad komak mikonad.
       
      Hala agar ITC rah oftad shayad kelass hayeh PROJECT MANAGEMENT (modiriat projeh) ba yadgiri Micrososft Project ra rah beyandazim keh az yek digar chizhayi yad begirim. Motmaenan osstadan ziadi oon var doorbin hasstand keh tajroobiat khoobi darand.
       
      Hala shooma agar tajroobeh khoob ya badi dar mored anjam projeh i darid keh beh moghe tahvil dadeh shood ya inkeh nashood va fekr mikonid che iradhayi darad va betoor kol fekr mikonid behtarin rah dar Iran ba farhangi keh ma darim chisst keh motmaen shavid yek projeh beh moghe tahvil dadeh mishavad ?
       
      Rah soonatish in asst hamoon osstahayeh khoodemoon vared boodand ta balayeh sar sakhteman naboodand midonesstand kari pish nemireh. Vali mamoolan dar mohit Engineering shoma mikhayid ba kelass tar barkhoord konid va mikhayi beh afrad massooliat bedahid va afrad kari ra keh massooliatash ra ghabool kardeh and beh mogheh tahvil dahand bedoon inkeh kassi balayeh saresh bashad. Dar zemn dar projeh hayeh bozorg shoma nemitoonid 24 saat balayeh sar mohandessi bashid, va ravesh kar toori asst keh messl divar nisst keh shoma bebinid 3 metr bala rafteh ya 6 metr bedoonid cheghadar kar anjam shoodeh. Taraf mitooneh begoyad 30% kar anjam shoodeh vali shayad in 30% sakht tarin ghessmat system bashad va 70% baghieh ra beshe yek roozeh tammam kard. Ya begoyad 80% tammam shoodeh va oon 20% mandeh salha tool bekeshad. Keh albateh in 80-20 darssad maroof asst keh 20% projeh mamoolan mimanad.
       
      Beh har hal agar dosst dashtid mitoonid inja nazaratetoon ra bedahid va az tajaroobetan begoyid, va begoyid keh behtarin rah anjam yek projeh agar bekhahim hameh afrad beh mogheh kar ra tahvil dahand chisst ?
       
      Keh agar dar ayandeh kari ba ham beh soorat projeh anjam dadim khoob asst in massael ra raayat konim va dar fekr dashteh bashim.
       
      Ba tashakoor
      Rosso Salmanzadeh
       
       
       
       
       
       

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    • amin mahmudian
      salam be hame, man daneshjoo hastam va hanooz projeh rasmi baray jayi nadashtam, vali harfay BOOS bram kheyli jaleb bood chand ta nokte be nazaram resid : dar
      Message 2 of 8 , Jan 5, 2005
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        salam be hame,

        man daneshjoo hastam va hanooz projeh rasmi baray jayi
        nadashtam, vali harfay BOOS bram kheyli jaleb bood
        chand ta nokte be nazaram resid :
        dar mored kelas va daneshgah goftid,man alan ke vagt
        emtehan hast fekr mikonam mibinam agar in ravesh ro
        ejra mikardam kheyli baram khob bood,vali agar man ye
        rozi ostade ye jayi shodam hatman in ravesho entekhab
        mikonam,ham baray khodam rahattare ham baray daneshjo
        ha,masalan ma vasat term yek dafe ostad miad mige
        hafte dige ya do hafte dige emtehane,hala ma onrooz
        emtehan dashte bashim ya harchi.

        ye rooz chand sale pish ke aghay Khatami reis
        jomhoor,rafte bood USA baray sokhanrani dar UN,ke
        hamoon vaght baray IRANi ha dar USA ham sokhanrani
        dasht,goft mohajerat yeki az rahhay goftegoy
        tamadonhast, man ba khodam goftam baray ma ke dakhel
        hastm chetoor mitone mofid bashe,behar hal goftegoo do
        tarafe ast,ba in sohbat hay agay Rosso hala
        mifahmam,man fekr mikonam ma be onvam gheshr tahsil
        karde bayad baray pishraft keshvaremoon bishtar va
        behtar kar konim,chon be har hal ma az sarmaie hay in
        keshvar be inja residim va masoliat darim,man yek
        shoar baray khodam daram ke hamishe behesh amal
        mikonam ke : AGE AZ CHIZI NARAHATI GHOR NAZAN AVAZAESH
        KON.shayad kheyli chiza ro nashe alan avaz kard,vali
        mesl parvaz mimone,alan age dar mored behtarin
        havapeyma ha ham bekhan sohbat konand aval filme onai
        ro neshon midan ke ba bali ke ba par dorost karde mi
        khast bepare.ma ye ostad dashtim baray yeki az
        darsamoon dar bare vejdan mohandesi sohbat mikard mesl
        hamin vaght shenasi,khodesh migoft ye projeh gereftam
        ta tarikh 2 hafte dige hanooz shoro nakardam.manzoram
        ine ke age chizi garare avaz beshe khodemoon bayad
        avazesh konim hala shayad 30-40 sal tool bekeshe vali
        sale 1410 masalan dige in moshke vojod nadare.
        merci,mibakhshid ziad neveshtam
        Amin Mahmudian

        --- Iranian Symbian <iranian_symbian@...> wrote:

        > Ba Salam,
        >
        > Ba Hamid yeki az dosstan faal aziz, mozoh vaght
        > shenassi va daghigh boodan dar massael roozaneh dar
        > email mored bahss bood.
        >
        > Ba Sohrab aziz yeki digar az dosstan aziz dar in
        > goroh dar mored beh mogheh tahvil dadan projeh dar
        > yek email mored bahss bood keh ishan migoftand keh
        > dar chand projeh keh barayeh yek sherkati dar kharej
        > az Iran anjam dadand tajroobeh khobi nadashtand va
        > jaryan beh daghighe 90 va penalty keshideh shood.
        >
        > Gooftam shayad behtar bashad bahss ra beh goroh va
        > omomi bekeshim bebinim tajroobeh digar dosstan chi
        > boodeh ? Aya shoma halati ra soragh darid dar Iran
        > ya kharej Iran keh projeh beh mogheh va tarikhi keh
        > gofteh shoodeh anjam shoodeh ? Agar areh, dalayel
        > moafaghiat an beh nazar shooam chi boodeh ? Agar
        > nah, dalayel shekasst ? Beh nazar shooma chekar
        > bayad kard keh yek projeh dar har farhangi beh
        > mogheh tahvil dadeh shavad ? Mitonid dar inja
        > nazaretan ra begoyid ya khaterat khoob ya bad dar in
        > mored ra benevissid.
        >
        > Ghabl az shoma agar man az tajaroob khodam begoyam,
        > tajaroobi keh daram dar projeh hayeh mokhtalef dar
        > keshvar hayeh mokhtalef va ba farhang hayeh
        > mokhtalef boodeh. Fekr mikonam in tanha ma Irani ha
        > nisstim ba zaman moshkel darim, hamangooneh keh
        > goftam bisthar afradi keh az Khavar mianeh va
        > manategh atraf didam moshkel darand. Baad dar Oropa
        > harchi payin tar va jonob tar miravid in moshkel
        > bishtar mishavad. Massalan jonoob Europa keshvarhayi
        > messl Italia, Espania, Portugal, Jonob fransseh,
        > farhangi messl khodeman keh hala bebinim chi mishe
        > ziad mibinid. Kheyli shahrhayeh Espania keh mibinid
        > manand baazi az shahrhayeh khodeman zohr ha kareshan
        > ra tark mikonand miravand nahar mikhorand va
        > mikhaband (SIESTA) va 3, 4 dobareh miayand. Albateh
        > shayad in beh elaat garm boodan hava dar in keshvar
        > ha asst. Dar avaz shabha mibinid edareh momken asst
        > ta 6, 7 baz bashad va foroshghaha ta 12 shab manand
        > Bombay dar hend keh hava garm asst va jonb o joosh
        > khood ra darad.
        >
        > Dar avaz dar shomal Oropa dar keshvar hayi messl
        > Alman, baad keshvarhayeh Eskandinavy manand Danmark,
        > Soed, Finland, Norwej (Norway) har chi bala tar miri
        > hava sardtar va monazami bishtar. Agar gharar bashad
        > saat 5:00 dar Bank ya foroshgah bassteh shavad haman
        > saat darb bassteh mishavad. Hala shoma harcheh
        > mikhayid royeh shishe bezanid keh agha, khanoom toro
        > khooda darb ra baz kon man faghat migkham felan chiz
        > ra sari bekharam beram. Gheyr momken asst dar ra baz
        > konand. Kheyli royeh shishe bezanid momken asst
        > polis beyayad va shomara bebarad.
        >
        > Choon onha oon saat bayad darb ra bebandand, va baad
        > ghabz hara hessab konand va hessab rooz ra bebandand
        > va massalan otoboss saat 5:37 ra begirad beravad
        > khanash. Agar shoma 3 daghigeh moatelash konid
        > otoboss 5:37 daghigeh ra az dasst midahad.
        >
        > Albateh doosti beh shokhi migoft in kehsvarhayeh
        > shomal oropa, barayeh in inghdar moratab shodand va
        > sar gharareshan daghigh 8:10 massalan miayand choon
        > otoboss hashoon agar dar jadval zamanbandi neveshteh
        > sobh saat 8:17 miayad baadi 8:23 baadi 8:37 va
        > gheyreh, agar nayayad taraf zemesstoon az sarma
        > oonja khoshkash mizanad va mimirad. Beh har hal har
        > dalili darad kheyli moratab va vaght shenass
        > hasstand va hamin massaleh ra shoma dar projeh ha
        > mibinid massalan projeh hayeh sherkat hayi manannd
        > Ericsson, Sony Ericsson va Nokia. Banbarin bayad
        > havassetan bashad projeh i ba in sherkat ha dar
        > ayandeh dashtid vaght shenassi barashoon kheyli
        > mohem asst, va agar kehsvar hayeh digar oropayi va
        > amrikayi ra dideh id inha digar 10 barabar anha
        > hasstand va in ra khoob asst dar zehnetan dashteh
        > bashid vaghti projeh ha ra anjam midahid.
        >
        > Ma avayel keh Soed daneshgah ya kelass hayeh digar
        > miraftim, mididim rooz aval moalem ya osstad miayad
        > AGENDA va list tammam karha dar tool sal ra midahad
        > va migoyand che roozi che saati emtehan ha asst.
        > Baad bacheh hayeh soedi shoro mikonand taghvim hayeh
        > makhsoos az kif va jibeshan dar avardand va tarikha
        > ra nevesthan va bahss shoro mishe keh osstad mishe
        > massalan felan test ra felan rooz beh 2 rooz baad
        > montaghel konid choon midoonid oon rooz ghablesh
        > tatil asst va felan etefagh mioftad, bacheh hayeh
        > goroh ham felan barnameh ra darand va gheyreh.
        > Kholasseh hameh movafeghat mikardand va tarikh avaz
        > mishood.
        >
        > Ya dar kelass hayeh khodemooni kochak tar mididi
        > felani migoft man dar oon hafteh (6 mah digar)
        > massooliat bache ha ra beh ohdeh daram va felan
        > massaleh saat 4:30 bayad beram agar kassi mokhalef
        > nisst in jaryan ra beh saat 3:45 enteghal dahim,
        > hameh negah mikardand beh taghvimashoon va migoftand
        > barayeh man OK asst kholasseh in vaghtha hamoon rooz
        > aval tanzim mishood.
        >
        > Ma ham haj o baj oon vassat ba farhang Irani, 30
        > daghigeh keh hichi, 4, 5 saat keh hichi, emtehan ham
        > keh gharar dashtim hamoon shab akhar yek karish
        > bekonim keh. Inha chi migoyand ? Az koja midoonand 6
        > mah digar che khabar asst. Kholasseh baadan mididim
        > eh rasst goftand chand rooz ghabl az emtehan hamoon
        > jaryani keh oonha migoftand va oon tatilat felan
        > moshkel ra bevojood miavarad va kholasseh ta etefagh
        > nemiotfad nemifahmidim.
        >
        > Albateh baad az chand sal didim khodemoon ham messl
        > oonha shoodim, az 3 mah ghabl emtehanat ra tanzim
        > kardeh va beh khondan mashghool. Mayi keh toyeh Iran
        > hamoon shab akhar maximum hafteh akhar kheyli
        > mikhondim. Albateh dar oon reshteh keh ma mikhandim
        > dar Soed nemidoonam jaryan ba daneshghah hayeh digar
        > keh khondeh boodam kheyli fargh mikard va kheyli
        > sakht bood va 5 ta darss ba ham mibayesst khond keh
        > bedoon in barnameh rizi va tanzim vaght asslan
        > nemishood pish raft va vahedi gozaroond. Va mamoolan
        > bishtar karmandan va mohandessin Ericsson Soed,
        > makhssoosan dar sath modiriat projeh ha messl inkeh
        > maghaleh i nevestheh bood az oon daneshghah biroon
        > miayand. Vali betoor kool mishe in moratabi ra dar
        > sath keshvar dar in keshvar hayeh Scandinaviayi
        > messl Soed (Ericsson) va Finland (Nokia) did.
        >
        > Tazeh Finlandi ha gheyr az in monazami dar vaght az
        > Soedi ha poor kar tar hasstand va kheyli kar
        > mikonand. Dar zemn yek khassiati keh in keshvar ha
        > darand keh shoma dar sherkat hashoon ham mibinid
        > TRUST va etemaad ziad beh bala dassteshan va
        > hokoomat va gheyreh darand va khodeshan ra dar hameh
        > massael sharik midanand. Bar akss massalan Italiayi
        > ha keh migoyand massalan hokoomat va oon bala
        > CORRUPTED va fassed asst va dasst Mafia asst pass
        > man chera dorosst kar konam ? Har ja mishe yek joori
        > az kar momken asst bezanand va taghaloob konand.
        > Massalan migoyand bishtar sherkat ha dar Italia 2 ta
        > daftar hessabdari akhar sal darand yeki oon keh beh
        > doolat midahand va daramad ra kam neshoon midahand
        > yeki ankeh barayeh khodeshan negah midarand.
        >
        > In massaleh TRUST dar yek projeh kheyli mohem asst
        > va inkeh afrad INVOLVED (khod ra jozi az projeh
        > danesstand) bashand. Beh onvan messal man dooreh
        > daneshjooyi jayi dar soed kar mikardam keh afrad
        > ziad az melliat haye mokhtalef donya bood. Az khavar
        > mianeh, asia, afrighayeh shomali (marakesh, tuness
        > va gheyreh). Mididi khareji ha say mikonand az zir
        > kar dar beravand ya beh har sorat yek kalaki toyeh
        > kar bezanand. Ya massalan agar raiss nabood sari 1
        > saat zood tar beravand khooneh. Az yek Soedi yek bar
        > didam baghieh darand miravand oon hamintoor kar
        > mikonad gooftam to nemiri ? Goft man keh hanooz 8
        > saat karam ra anjam nadadeh am nemitonam beravam.
        > Man barayeh 8 saat dar rooz hoghogh migiram bayad 8
        > saat kar konam. Maroo migi pish khodam goftam ajab
        > afradi inha hasstand, bikhood nisst ba in jamiat 9
        > millionishoon inghadar pishraft kardeh and va in
        > hameh teknology pishrafteh az jomleh ABB, Ericsson,
        > SAAB, VOLVO va gheyreh darand. Kashki ma Irani ha
        > ham yek zamani inghadar daghigh va
        > moratab mishoodim.
        >
        > Albateh adam bayad vagheh bin bashad man fekr
        > nemikonam ma hichvaght dar Iran messl in keshvar
        > hayeh scandinavia daghigh va moratab shavim va
        > etemaad beh bala dassti keh hatman ehtiaj nabashad
        > kassi bala sareman bashad ta kari ra anjam dahim.
        > Choon in khassiat ra dar keshvar hayeh digar ham
        > nemibinid. Messl Franssavi ha Italiayi ha keh tazeh
        > dar Oropa hasstand tazeh che beresseh beh digar
        > keshvarhayeh Asia va Amrikayeh shomali ya jonobi.
        >
        > Dar projeh ha inja dar Amrika etefagh hayeh jalebi
        > mioftad zamani sherkathayi manand Ericsson ya Nokia
        > miayand inja va karmandashan afrad mokhtalef az
        > keshvar hayeh mokhtalef asst, choon dar Amrika afrad
        > az hameh keshvarhayeh donya dar Engineering
        > hasstand, az Asia gerefteh ta oropa va amrikayeh
        > shomali va amrikhayi jonobo. Har koodam farhanghayeh
        > khodeshan va tarif khood barayeh zaman. Modiriat in
        > gooneh projeh ha kheyli sakht asst va shoma
        > chizhayeh ziadi yad migirid. Ehtemalan yek projeh
        > dar Iran ya yek projeh dar Soed sadeh tar asst
        > randan choon bishtar afrad yek farhang darand va
        > shoma midanid ba oon farhang chegooneh barkhord
        > konid vali yek projeh keh chand farhangi asst kheyli
        > sakht va dar zemn jaleb asst dar CONFLICT
        > (ekhtelafat) va MISSUNDERSTANDING (dorosst
        > nafahmidan manzoor yek digar).
        >
        > Choon ma enssan ha mamoolan fekr mikonim keh taraf
        > moghabeleman haman bardashti az kalameh i keh ma
        > bekar mibirim darad keh khodeman darim. Vali az koja
        > midanim
        === message truncated ===


        =====
        Amin.M.M



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      • sohrab asadzadeh
        salam bar hamegi makhsosan rosso aziz az inkeh be nameh man tavajoh karden va barash chand bar javab neveshtin mamnon rastesh man khili baray javad dadan be
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          salam bar hamegi makhsosan rosso aziz
          az inkeh be nameh man tavajoh karden va barash chand bar javab neveshtin mamnon
          rastesh man khili baray javad dadan be nameh shoma fekr kardam
          midonin ma dar iran moshkelatemon kami ba jahay degeh fargh dareh
          vali man mikham be sorat kami elmi bahash barkhord konam
          hamontory keh goftam man ghabla chanta projeh az kharej gerefteh bodam keh moteasefaneh dar zaman ejra mamolan be man bad gholi mishod va vaghty ro z akhar mishod man hamash bayad az in var be onvar shahr miraftam ta kar tamom besheh ya inkeh khodam e ghesmaty ro anjam midadam
          in keh e kare be daghegh 90 mimoneh masaleh iran nist va dar kol jahan vojod dareh
          dar ghanon parkinson migeh har projeh be andazeh zamanesh tol mikesheh
          yani age e projeh 2 mah kar dareh va shoma begin 2 sal bazam toy 2 sal anjam misheh na to 2 mah
          baresy neshon dadeh keh in elat asli emprator saze hastesh
          yani inkeh taraf baray inkeh bazdeh sherkat 2 barabar besheh karmandaro 2 barabar mikoneh vali bazdeh hamon mimoneh ya kami avaz misheh
          dar kol donya sar shodeh in masalaro hal konan va koli ham ghanon barash gozashtan
          vali ma dar iran be in rahaty nemitonim hal konim
          shayad elatesh kami dor az zehn basheh vali e elat sadeh hastesh
          fayol dar 14 asl khodesh migeh bayad moder ekhteyar dashteh basheh
          yani inkeh betoneh dastor bedeh va darstoresh ro ba komak padash va tanbeh be ejra dar beyareh
          vali ma ino dar iran aslan nadareh
          key migeh dar iran hameh donbal kar hastan
          key megeh dar iran mohandesa be kar hastan
          kasy keh kar anadareh mireh har kare mikoneh
          dar hali keh dar iran afrad raze be kar kardan nistan
           
          age shoma e projeh be kase beden va on dar zamanesh anjam nadeh chikar mitonin bokonin?
          hoghogh nemiden
          khob naden ,, vaghan fekr mikonin farghi mikoneh??????
          na aslan
          chon ma dar iran aslan arzeshi baray pol ghael nistim
          albateh beshtar afrad besyar sharef hastan va har man ba afrad bad ghol hastesh va khaesh mikonam irani hay khosh gol narahat nashan
           
          moshkel asle dar iran in hastesh keh moder ghodrat tanbeh nadareh chon age bekhad kare koneh fard khaty zerr hameh chiz mizeneh
          dashtan gharardad va check va ... hameh alanki hastesh
          e gharar dad faghat e safeh kaghaz hastesh keh be khater kami neveshteh rosh batel shodeh va age bekhad kasy eghdami koneh bayad salha donbal on bereh shayad javabi begereh
          dar keshvare keh check bargashty hich etebary nadareh vaghan e gharar dad mani dareh?
           
          dar har hal mozoy bahs zaman ande projeh hastesh
          dar iran bayad moder hamesheh chand hafteh zodtar az zaman payan karo takmil koeh va chand nafar ro to ab namak negar dareh keh age kasy bad gholi kard az ona estefadeh koneh
           
          omid varam roze bereseh keh dar iran ham hameh be fekr zaman bashan va age mohandesy bad gholi kard bedoneh hameh jay khabar dar mishan va behesh kar nemidan,, baray hamin kamtar bad gholi koneh
          mazerat mikham sareton ro dard avordam
          rasty in asami va mataleb baray ketab aghay rezayy ( nazareh hay sazmani va moderayat ) hastesh keh majbor shodam baray yad giri modereyat bekhodanam
           
          ,,
          rasty agha rosso
          man ghablan ela amadegim ro kardam baray har goneh komaki age kare basheh dar khedmatam
          age mibinin javab bazy az nameh ha ro ham der der midem be khater sangin bodan matalebi hast keh shoma migin va ma hameh dost darem dar har kary keh az dastemon bar miyad komak konin
          ghablan rezomeh mano deden, khodeton age kare bod keh betonam komak konam befarmaeed khoshal misham
          e pishnehad ham baray kara daram
          age dost dashteh bashin va inkeh hamdegaro beshtar beshnasem e chat room gharar bezarem va e sa'at khasy az roz keh hameh dor ham jam shim
          omid varam chenin zamani jr besheh
          ba tshakor az shoma va tamam dostani keh komak mikonan
          be omid dedar
          Sohrab

          amin mahmudian <amin_mahmudian@...> wrote:
          salam be hame,

          man daneshjoo hastam va hanooz projeh rasmi baray jayi
          nadashtam, vali harfay BOOS bram kheyli jaleb bood
          chand ta nokte be nazaram resid :
          dar mored kelas va daneshgah goftid,man alan ke vagt
          emtehan hast fekr mikonam mibinam agar in ravesh ro
          ejra mikardam kheyli baram khob bood,vali agar man ye
          rozi ostade ye jayi shodam hatman in ravesho entekhab
          mikonam,ham baray khodam rahattare ham baray daneshjo
          ha,masalan ma vasat term yek dafe ostad miad mige
          hafte dige ya do hafte dige emtehane,hala ma onrooz
          emtehan dashte bashim ya harchi.

          ye rooz chand sale pish ke aghay Khatami reis
          jomhoor,rafte bood USA baray sokhanrani dar UN,ke
          hamoon vaght baray IRANi ha dar USA ham sokhanrani
          dasht,goft mohajerat yeki az rahhay goftegoy
          tamadonhast, man ba khodam goftam baray ma ke dakhel
          hastm chetoor mitone mofid bashe,behar hal goftegoo do
          tarafe ast,ba in sohbat hay agay Rosso hala
          mifahmam,man fekr mikonam ma be onvam gheshr tahsil
          karde bayad baray pishraft keshvaremoon bishtar va
          behtar kar konim,chon be har hal ma az sarmaie hay in
          keshvar be inja residim va masoliat darim,man yek
          shoar baray khodam daram ke hamishe behesh amal
          mikonam ke : AGE AZ CHIZI NARAHATI GHOR NAZAN AVAZAESH
          KON.shayad kheyli chiza ro nashe alan avaz kard,vali
          mesl parvaz mimone,alan age dar mored behtarin
          havapeyma ha ham bekhan sohbat konand aval filme onai
          ro neshon midan ke ba bali ke ba par dorost karde mi
          khast bepare.ma ye ostad dashtim baray yeki az
          darsamoon dar bare vejdan mohandesi sohbat mikard mesl
          hamin vaght shenasi,khodesh migoft ye projeh gereftam
          ta tarikh 2 hafte dige hanooz shoro nakardam.manzoram
          ine ke age chizi garare avaz beshe khodemoon bayad
          avazesh konim hala shayad 30-40 sal tool bekeshe vali
          sale 1410 masalan dige in moshke vojod nadare.
          merci,mibakhshid ziad neveshtam
          Amin Mahmudian 

          --- Iranian Symbian <iranian_symbian@...> wrote:

          > Ba Salam,

          > Ba Hamid yeki az dosstan faal aziz, mozoh vaght
          > shenassi va daghigh boodan dar massael roozaneh dar
          > email mored bahss bood.

          > Ba Sohrab aziz yeki digar az dosstan aziz dar in
          > goroh dar mored beh mogheh tahvil dadan projeh dar
          > yek email mored bahss bood keh ishan migoftand keh
          > dar chand projeh keh barayeh yek sherkati dar kharej
          > az Iran anjam dadand tajroobeh khobi nadashtand va
          > jaryan beh daghighe 90 va penalty keshideh shood.

          > Gooftam shayad behtar bashad bahss ra beh goroh va
          > omomi bekeshim bebinim tajroobeh digar dosstan chi
          > boodeh ? Aya shoma halati ra soragh darid dar Iran
          > ya kharej Iran keh projeh beh mogheh va tarikhi keh
          > gofteh shoodeh anjam shoodeh ? Agar areh, dalayel
          > moafaghiat an beh nazar shooam chi boodeh ? Agar
          > nah, dalayel shekasst ? Beh nazar shooma chekar
          > bayad kard keh yek projeh dar har farhangi beh
          > mogheh tahvil dadeh shavad ? Mitonid dar inja
          > nazaretan ra begoyid ya khaterat khoob ya bad dar in
          > mored ra benevissid.

          > Ghabl az shoma agar man az tajaroob khodam begoyam,
          > tajaroobi keh daram dar projeh hayeh mokhtalef dar
          > keshvar hayeh mokhtalef va ba farhang hayeh
          > mokhtalef boodeh. Fekr mikonam in tanha ma Irani ha
          > nisstim ba zaman moshkel darim, hamangooneh keh
          > goftam bisthar afradi keh az Khavar mianeh va
          > manategh atraf didam moshkel darand. Baad dar Oropa
          > harchi payin tar va jonob tar miravid in moshkel
          > bishtar mishavad. Massalan jonoob Europa keshvarhayi
          > messl Italia, Espania, Portugal, Jonob fransseh,
          > farhangi messl khodeman keh hala bebinim chi mishe
          > ziad mibinid. Kheyli shahrhayeh Espania keh mibinid
          > manand baazi az shahrhayeh khodeman zohr ha kareshan
          > ra tark mikonand miravand nahar mikhorand va
          > mikhaband (SIESTA) va 3, 4 dobareh miayand. Albateh
          > shayad in beh elaat garm boodan hava dar in keshvar
          > ha asst. Dar avaz shabha mibinid edareh momken asst
          > ta 6, 7 baz bashad va foroshghaha ta 12 shab manand
          > Bombay dar hend keh hava garm asst va jonb o joosh
          > khood ra darad.

          > Dar avaz dar shomal Oropa dar keshvar hayi messl
          > Alman, baad keshvarhayeh Eskandinavy manand Danmark,
          > Soed, Finland, Norwej (Norway) har chi bala tar miri
          > hava sardtar va monazami bishtar. Agar gharar bashad
          > saat 5:00 dar Bank ya foroshgah bassteh shavad haman
          > saat darb bassteh mishavad. Hala shoma harcheh
          > mikhayid royeh shishe bezanid keh agha, khanoom toro
          > khooda darb ra baz kon man faghat migkham felan chiz
          > ra sari bekharam beram. Gheyr momken asst dar ra baz
          > konand. Kheyli royeh shishe bezanid momken asst
          > polis beyayad va shomara bebarad.

          > Choon onha oon saat bayad darb ra bebandand, va baad
          > ghabz hara hessab konand va hessab rooz ra bebandand
          > va massalan otoboss saat 5:37 ra begirad beravad
          > khanash. Agar shoma 3 daghigeh moatelash konid
          > otoboss 5:37 daghigeh ra az dasst midahad.

          > Albateh doosti beh shokhi migoft in kehsvarhayeh
          > shomal oropa, barayeh in inghdar moratab shodand va
          > sar gharareshan daghigh 8:10 massalan miayand choon
          > otoboss hashoon agar dar jadval zamanbandi neveshteh
          > sobh saat 8:17 miayad baadi 8:23 baadi 8:37 va
          > gheyreh, agar nayayad taraf zemesstoon az sarma
          > oonja khoshkash mizanad va mimirad. Beh har hal har
          > dalili darad kheyli moratab va vaght shenass
          > hasstand va hamin massaleh ra shoma dar projeh ha
          > mibinid massalan projeh hayeh sherkat hayi manannd
          > Ericsson, Sony Ericsson va Nokia. Banbarin bayad
          > havassetan bashad projeh i ba in sherkat ha dar
          > ayandeh dashtid vaght shenassi barashoon kheyli
          > mohem asst, va agar kehsvar hayeh digar oropayi va
          > amrikayi ra dideh id inha digar 10 barabar anha
          > hasstand va in ra khoob asst dar zehnetan dashteh
          > bashid vaghti projeh ha ra anjam midahid.

          > Ma avayel keh Soed daneshgah ya kelass hayeh digar
          > miraftim, mididim rooz aval moalem ya osstad miayad
          > AGENDA va list tammam karha dar tool sal ra midahad
          > va migoyand che roozi che saati emtehan ha asst.
          > Baad bacheh hayeh soedi shoro mikonand taghvim hayeh
          > makhsoos az kif va jibeshan dar avardand va tarikha
          > ra nevesthan va bahss shoro mishe keh osstad mishe
          > massalan felan test ra felan rooz beh 2 rooz baad
          > montaghel konid choon midoonid oon rooz ghablesh
          > tatil asst va felan etefagh mioftad, bacheh hayeh
          > goroh ham felan barnameh ra darand va gheyreh.
          > Kholasseh hameh movafeghat mikardand va tarikh avaz
          > mishood.

          > Ya dar kelass hayeh khodemooni kochak tar mididi
          > felani migoft man dar oon hafteh (6 mah digar)
          > massooliat bache ha ra beh ohdeh daram va felan
          > massaleh saat 4:30 bayad beram agar kassi mokhalef
          > nisst in jaryan ra beh saat 3:45 enteghal dahim,
          > hameh negah mikardand beh taghvimashoon va migoftand
          > barayeh man OK asst kholasseh in vaghtha hamoon rooz
          > aval tanzim mishood.

          > Ma ham haj o baj oon vassat ba farhang Irani, 30
          > daghigeh keh hichi, 4, 5 saat keh hichi, emtehan ham
          > keh gharar dashtim hamoon shab akhar yek karish
          > bekonim keh. Inha chi migoyand ? Az koja midoonand 6
          > mah digar che khabar asst. Kholasseh baadan mididim
          > eh rasst goftand chand rooz ghabl az emtehan hamoon
          > jaryani keh oonha migoftand va oon tatilat felan
          > moshkel ra bevojood miavarad va kholasseh ta etefagh
          > nemiotfad nemifahmidim.

          > Albateh baad az chand sal didim khodemoon ham messl
          > oonha shoodim, az 3 mah ghabl emtehanat ra tanzim
          > kardeh va beh khondan mashghool. Mayi keh toyeh Iran
          > hamoon shab akhar maximum hafteh akhar kheyli
          > mikhondim. Albateh dar oon reshteh keh ma mikhandim
          > dar Soed nemidoonam jaryan ba daneshghah hayeh digar
          > keh khondeh boodam kheyli fargh mikard va kheyli
          > sakht bood va 5 ta darss ba ham mibayesst khond keh
          > bedoon in barnameh rizi va tanzim vaght asslan
          > nemishood pish raft va vahedi gozaroond. Va mamoolan
          > bishtar karmandan va mohandessin Ericsson Soed,
          > makhssoosan dar sath modiriat projeh ha messl inkeh
          > maghaleh i nevestheh bood az oon daneshghah biroon
          > miayand. Vali betoor kool mishe in moratabi ra dar
          > sath keshvar dar in keshvar hayeh Scandinaviayi
          > messl Soed (Ericsson) va Finland (Nokia) did.

          > Tazeh Finlandi ha gheyr az in monazami dar vaght az
          > Soedi ha poor kar tar hasstand va kheyli kar
          > mikonand. Dar zemn yek khassiati keh in keshvar ha
          > darand keh shoma dar sherkat hashoon ham mibinid
          > TRUST va etemaad ziad beh bala dassteshan va
          > hokoomat va gheyreh darand va khodeshan ra dar hameh
          > massael sharik midanand. Bar akss massalan Italiayi
          > ha keh migoyand massalan hokoomat va oon bala
          > CORRUPTED va fassed asst va dasst Mafia asst pass
          > man chera dorosst kar konam ? Har ja mishe yek joori
          > az kar momken asst bezanand va taghaloob konand.
          > Massalan migoyand bishtar sherkat ha dar Italia 2 ta
          > daftar hessabdari akhar sal darand yeki oon keh beh
          > doolat midahand va daramad ra kam neshoon midahand
          > yeki ankeh barayeh khodeshan negah midarand.

          > In massaleh TRUST dar yek projeh kheyli mohem asst
          > va inkeh afrad INVOLVED (khod ra jozi az projeh
          > danesstand) bashand. Beh onvan messal man dooreh
          > daneshjooyi jayi dar soed kar mikardam keh afrad
          > ziad az melliat haye mokhtalef donya bood. Az khavar
          > mianeh, asia, afrighayeh shomali (marakesh, tuness
          > va gheyreh). Mididi khareji ha say mikonand az zir
          > kar dar beravand ya beh har sorat yek kalaki toyeh
          > kar bezanand. Ya massalan agar raiss nabood sari 1
          > saat zood tar beravand khooneh. Az yek Soedi yek bar
          > didam baghieh darand miravand oon hamintoor kar
          > mikonad gooftam to nemiri ? Goft man keh hanooz 8
          > saat karam ra anjam nadadeh am nemitonam beravam.
          > Man barayeh 8 saat dar rooz hoghogh migiram bayad 8
          > saat kar konam. Maroo migi pish khodam goftam ajab
          > afradi inha hasstand, bikhood nisst ba in jamiat 9
          > millionishoon inghadar pishraft kardeh and va in
          > hameh teknology pishrafteh az jomleh ABB, Ericsson,
          > SAAB, VOLVO va gheyreh darand. Kashki ma Irani ha
          > ham yek zamani inghadar daghigh va
          >  moratab mishoodim.

          > Albateh adam bayad vagheh bin bashad man fekr
          > nemikonam ma hichvaght dar Iran messl in keshvar
          > hayeh scandinavia daghigh va moratab shavim va
          > etemaad beh bala dassti keh hatman ehtiaj nabashad
          > kassi bala sareman bashad ta kari ra anjam dahim.
          > Choon in khassiat ra dar keshvar hayeh digar ham
          > nemibinid. Messl Franssavi ha Italiayi ha keh tazeh
          > dar Oropa hasstand tazeh che beresseh beh digar
          > keshvarhayeh Asia va Amrikayeh shomali ya jonobi.

          > Dar projeh ha inja dar Amrika etefagh hayeh jalebi
          > mioftad zamani sherkathayi manand Ericsson ya Nokia
          > miayand inja va karmandashan afrad mokhtalef az
          > keshvar hayeh mokhtalef asst, choon dar Amrika afrad
          > az hameh keshvarhayeh donya dar Engineering
          > hasstand, az Asia gerefteh ta oropa va amrikayeh
          > shomali va amrikhayi jonobo. Har koodam farhanghayeh
          > khodeshan va tarif khood barayeh zaman. Modiriat in
          > gooneh projeh ha kheyli sakht asst va shoma
          > chizhayeh ziadi yad migirid. Ehtemalan yek projeh
          > dar Iran ya yek projeh dar Soed sadeh tar asst
          > randan choon bishtar afrad yek farhang darand va
          > shoma midanid ba oon farhang chegooneh barkhord
          > konid vali yek projeh keh chand farhangi asst kheyli
          > sakht va dar zemn jaleb asst dar CONFLICT
          > (ekhtelafat) va MISSUNDERSTANDING (dorosst
          > nafahmidan manzoor yek digar).

          > Choon ma enssan ha mamoolan fekr mikonim keh taraf
          > moghabeleman haman bardashti az kalameh i keh ma
          > bekar mibirim darad keh khodeman darim. Vali az koja
          > midanim
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        • Iranian Symbian
          Salam bar Sohrab va doostan aziz, Sohrab jan massael kheyli khoobi ra matrah kardi va fekr konam tir zadi mosstaghim toyeh khal. Man royeh massaeli keh gofti
          Message 4 of 8 , Jan 9, 2005
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            Salam bar Sohrab va doostan aziz,
             
            Sohrab jan massael kheyli khoobi ra matrah kardi va fekr konam tir zadi mosstaghim toyeh khal. Man royeh massaeli keh gofti fekr kardam va say kardam moghayesseh konam ba MODEL ha va system hayi keh dar keshvar hayeh digar ddiam keh bebinam chera oonja ha kar mikonad dar Iran kar nemikonad, yek ide jaleb barayeh yek sherkat jaleb beh nazaram amad keh agar kassi in sherkat ra dar Iran bezanad na tanha hezaran balkeh million ha nafar ra mashghool beh kar mikonad va moshkelat ra hal mikonad va nah tanha nassl kononi balkeh nasslhayeh ayandeh sar ghabresh hezaran salavat mifresstand choon moshkel bozorgi ra hal kardeh.
             
            Etelaat bishtar dar mored in ide ra dar payin dar edameh sohbat hayeh shoma midahaham.
             
            Pass agar imozoh hayeh shoma ra kholasseh konam beh 3 ghessmat asst keh dar payin man toozihati minevissam:
             
            1. Ghanoon Parkinson
            2. Ghodrat ejrayi raiss sherkat ya projeh   => Idee barayeh sherkat va kari jadid
            3. Bargharari CHAT
             
            Dar payin nazarat khodam ra dar in mored minevissam.
             
            Ba tashakoor
            Rosso Salmanzadeh
             


            sohrab asadzadeh <sasadzadeh@...> wrote:
            salam bar hamegi makhsosan rosso aziz
            az inkeh be nameh man tavajoh karden va barash chand bar javab neveshtin mamnon
            rastesh man khili baray javad dadan be nameh shoma fekr kardam
            midonin ma dar iran moshkelatemon kami ba jahay degeh fargh dareh
            vali man mikham be sorat kami elmi bahash barkhord konam
            hamontory keh goftam man ghabla chanta projeh az kharej gerefteh bodam keh moteasefaneh dar zaman ejra mamolan be man bad gholi mishod va vaghty ro z akhar mishod man hamash bayad az in var be onvar shahr miraftam ta kar tamom besheh ya inkeh khodam e ghesmaty ro anjam midadam
            in keh e kare be daghegh 90 mimoneh masaleh iran nist va dar kol jahan vojod dareh
            dar ghanon parkinson migeh har projeh be andazeh zamanesh tol mikesheh
            yani age e projeh 2 mah kar dareh va shoma begin 2 sal bazam toy 2 sal anjam misheh na to 2 mah
             
            Man fekr konam dar jahayeh mokhtalef jahan MODEL hayeh mokhtalef adam mibinad keh beh farhang oon keshvar ha bishtar mikhorad. Massalan in massaleh i keh shoma goftid dar sherkathayeh Asiayi manand Samsung, LG va gheyreh man ziad didam. Ma yek projeh i keh anjam midadim ba yeki az inha, kari ra keh ma barayeh sherkathayeh ziadi anjam dadeh boodim va midanesstim 6 mah tool mikeshad, inha migoftand akhar mah digar bayad amadeh bashad.
             
            Man migoftam nemishe, ma in kar ra ta hala 5 bar anjam dadim va inghadar tool mikeshad nemitoonid 1 maheh anjam dahid. Migoftand har cheghadar afrad va mohandess mikhahid ma dar ekhtiaretan migozarim va har cheghadar pool mikhahid vali bayad akhar mah digar amadeh bashad. Khoob badish in asst keh Raiss ha in harf ra beshnavand va booyeh pool beh damagheshan bekhorad feshar beh ENGINEERING va team mohandessi miavarand keh areh khoob yek maheh tamoomash konid. Vali in PROJECT MANAGER asst keh bayad joloyeh in feshar ha ra begirad va ghodrat TEAM khood ra bedanad va bedoonad keh che moodat tool mikeshad ta tahvil bedahand va che emkanati darand.
             
            Beh har hal man beh shokhi be in afrad migoftam oon massal maroof ra shenideh id keh (ba arz maazarat az khanoom haye ozv in goroh) mamoolan ba yek khanoom 9 mah tool mikeshad keh yek bacheh bedoonya beyayad, hala shooma agar 9 ta khanoom ra kenar ham begozarid yek bache 1 maheh bedonya nemiayad. Vali magar beh goosh inha miraft.
             
            Baad ba yeki az MANAGER ha sohbat mikardam goftam jaryan chisst ? migoft akhe in ravesh ma asst, ma TOP MANAGEMENT va raiss bala midooneh 6 mah tool mikeshad, baad oon beh raiss payin khood migoyad 3 maheh bayad tahvil bedahid. Baad raiss payin beh zir dassti khoodash migoyad 2.5 mahe va oon beh mohandessin migoyad 1 mahe. Baad vaghti man mididam inha chegoneh projeh ra mirondand, mididid afrad darand shab ta sob khodeshan ra mikoshand 1 mahe tahvil dahand, kod kharab va ghati pati mishood va sar 1 mah migoftand amadeh asst, va raiss ham khoshhal keh harfash dorosst shodeh. Baad mididid 5 mah migozarand iradha ra dorosst konad keh mishood hamoon 6 mah avali, vali to in 6 mah pedar hameh ra dar avardeh messl SLAVE (bardeh) afrad 17, 18 saat dar rooz kar kardeh and.
             
            In ravesh shayad dar keshvar hayeh asiayi va jahayi keh ravabet messl oon film hayeh Samurayi asst mishe anjam dad. Choon mibnid ravabet piramid va makhrooti asst yek mohandess arshad 5, 6 ta noche zir dasstash darad keh shayad bayad shoone hayeh taraf ra ham massage bedahand, kamputer ash ra rooshan konand, sim network ash ra vassl konand va har kodam ghessmati az kod ra migirand va minevissand.
             
            In farhang dar sherkathayeh digar dar oropa va amrika kar nemikonad. Makhsoosan dar Oropa keh dar bishtar keshvar ha UNION va sandikayeh karmandan va mohandessin ghavi asst va az in karha shoma nemitoonid bekonid. Massalan dar Soed shoma bishtar az 150 saat ezafeh vaght karmandan nemitavanand dashteh bashand bishtar az an sandikayeh karmandan jolo miayad va karfarma bayad dalil bekhossoss dashteh bashad keh ba dar khasst khood karmand betonid 50 saat ya 100 saat digar ejazeh ezafeh vaght begirid.
             
            Albateh dalil an in asst keh migoyand karfarma pedar karmand ra dar nayavarad keh azash kar ziadi bekeshad va karmand chizi natonad begoyad. Keh aghideh baadi nisst, bedin sorat mohithayeh kari moratab mishavad va beh bardeh dari tabdil nemishavad. Digar dalil in asst keh vaghti yek sherkat beh ezafeh vaght miressad keh bejayeh 8 saat dar rooz ehtiaj beh 10 ta 12 saat ezafeh vaght asst vaght an asst keh fardi jadid esstekhdam konand. Va bedin soorat dar jameh kar jadid bevojood miayad va in faghat tedad maadoodi nisstand keh kar darand. Keh az in nazar ham in kar mossbati asst.
             
            Vali dar avaz karfarma yan migoyand in taraf keh in kar ra mikonad massalan 10 sal sabeghe ba C++ darad man nemitonam kass digar ra esstekhdam konam keh kar oon ra anjam dahad va in 4 saat ezafeh keh man az in fard migiram ehtiaj beh 10 saat az yek adam tazeh kar asst. Javab in sandika ha in asst keh khoob fard jadid keh esstekhdam mikonid bayad behesh dooreh bedahid va amoozesh va karhayeh kochak in fard ra beh in fard jadid bedahid keh ham nirooyeh jadid kar ra yad begirad va ham system amoozesh rah mioftad va in khood kar dar jameh bevojood miavarad.
             
            Mamoolan karfarmayan moshkeleshan ra ba esstekhdam kontrakter ha va sherkathayeh CONSULTANT moshavereh i hal mikonand keh gheyr az karmandan mamooli in afrad ra esstekhdam mikonand choon ghanoon kontraktori ha ba karmand mamooli fargh mikonad va kami feshar beh kontraktor ha mishe avard. Mamoolan ham afrad bahoosh va ghavi baad az chand sal tajroobeh beh in sherkathayeh moshavereh i miravand choon hoghogh bishtari migirand vali khoob kareshan ham momken asst sakht tar bashad. Baad keh mossen shodand digar kheyli hal kar kardan nadarand va energy nadarand beh karmand mamooli tabdil mishavand keh oon mogheh ham kheyli azeshoon kari nemishe keshid bishtar halat tajroobeh i azeshan dar sherkat esstefaadeh mishavad.
             
            Albateh in halat Soed keh yek kehsvar Socialissti asst va in sandika ha kheyli ghavi hasstand choon salian ziad barayeh hoghogh karmandan jangideh and. Nemooneh Fransseh kami beh halat va system ma dar Iran nazdik tar asst choon az nazar jamiat va bikari manand Iran asst, ghavanin ham messl Iran. Faghat oonja CGT va sandikashoon kami ghavi asst, keh hatman dideh id dar akhbar television har sal mibinid massalan parassdar ha rikhteh and to khiaban etessab ya tazahoorat barayeh ezafeh hoghogh, ya sal digar keshavarzan jonob fransseh ba teraktoor mirizand to khiaban va goojeh ha ra mirizand to khiaban barayeh mokhalefat ba vorood gojeh hayeh arzan az espania va gheyreh.
             
            Oonja dar fransseh dalili keh shayad mojeb mishe afrad kar ra anjam dahand (albateh az nazar zaman daghigh messl keshvar hayeh shomal oropa nisstand va nazdik beh italiayi ha va ma irani ha hasstand az nazar vaght shenassi), dalil an mitooneh bikari bashad. yani agar ekhraj shavand digar gir avardan kar moshkel asst choon peyda kardan kar dar Fransseh messl gozashtan az haft khan roostam asst.
             
            Dar Amrika jaryan fargh mikonad, choon CAPITALISM va sarmayeh dari keh dar ketab ha mikhondim kamel kamel asst. Yani hameh dasstanha Arzeh va taghaza asst keh ba pool moshakhass mishavad va tammam ghavanin door an door mizanad. Banbarin agar bazar toori bashad keh shoma karmand ziad natonid gir beyavarid manand sal hayeh 1999 - 2000 khoob shoma bayad naz karmand ra bekharid. Vali manand alan keh momken asst tedad ziad bikar ba oon tajroobeh toyeh khiaban bashand va afrad ham hazerand ba gheymat kam in kar ra dar Hend ya Chin anjam dahand khoob karfarmayan ehtiaj nisst ziad naz karmandan ra bekharand, taraf kheyli naz avard ba fardi az in afrad avaz mikonid. UNION va sandika ham keh dar in sherkat ha vojood nadarad banabarin ezafeh vaght va ejbar afrad beh kar ezafeh bassteh beh rahmat har sherkat va sharayet bazar darad.
             
            Banabarin har koodam az in keshvar ha model khodeshan ra darand va Model Iran ra ham keh shoma farmoodid. Fekr konam hameh in model ha mitoonand yek makhrej moshtarak dashteh bashand keh dar hameh in model ha betavand kar konad va an ham barmigardad beh haman massaleh i keh shoma farmoodid dar payin keh afrad ghodrat ejrayi dashteh bashand keh in bahss ra dar payin edameh midim :
             
            baresy neshon dadeh keh in elat asli emprator saze hastesh
            yani inkeh taraf baray inkeh bazdeh sherkat 2 barabar besheh karmandaro 2 barabar mikoneh vali bazdeh hamon mimoneh ya kami avaz misheh
            dar kol donya sar shodeh in masalaro hal konan va koli ham ghanon barash gozashtan
            vali ma dar iran be in rahaty nemitonim hal konim
            shayad elatesh kami dor az zehn basheh vali e elat sadeh hastesh
            fayol dar 14 asl khodesh migeh bayad moder ekhteyar dashteh basheh
            yani inkeh betoneh dastor bedeh va darstoresh ro ba komak padash va tanbeh be ejra dar beyareh
             
            Mamoolan migoyad iradi keh vojood darad in asst keh PROJECT MANAGER (moodiriat projeh) royeh afrad ghodrati nadarad choon mamoolan shoma dar yek sherkat dar bazi model ha 2 nafar darid :
             
            1. Line Manager (LM)
            2. Project Manager (PM)
             
            LM hamoon raiss adam asst keh massalan 20 ta 50 nafar dar bakhshhayeh mokhtalef momken asst zir dasstash kar konand. Kar LM in asst keh massalan morakhassi adam ra taid konad, amoozesh va kelass hayi keh adam bayad beravad tayid konad, omoor esstekhdam va ekhraj va gheyreh. Payan sal ba karmand beshinad va FORM APPRAISAL ra donbal konad keh hadaf karmand barayeh sal digar chisst va ahdaf emssal be koja ressidand, che chizha khoob bood chi bad bood va gheyreh.
             
            PM va project manager yek projeh ra rah miandazad va LM hayeh mokhtalef mikhahad keh RESOURCE va afrad dar ekhtiarash begozarand. Yek PM ba chandin LM dar rabeteh khahad bood keh massalan az yek LM keh massool baksh NETWORKING asst yek NT ADMIN begirad. Az bakhsh DATABASE yek DATABASE ADMIN begirad az bakhs barnameh rizi 5, 6 ta barnameh riz begirad va gheyreh.
             
            Hala eshkal in asst keh agar dar projeh in afrad kar nakonand, va beh mogheh tahvil nadahand in PM kari nemitavand bekonad va ekhraj konad choon oon ghodrat ejrayi nadarad va LM asst keh hagh ekhraj va esstekhdam ra darad. In massaelh i asst keh PM ha midoonand va beh ravesh hayeh mokhtalef ba an DEAL mikonand.
             
            Behtarin raveshi keh man dideh am keh enssani asst (choon oon bardeh hayi keh ahram selasseh messr ra ham sakhtand projeh anjam shood vali shayad ba kotak va shalagh bood), rahi keh didam kar kardeh ba pool beh soorat BONUS ya STOCK va eshterak dar sherkat boodeh. Mamoolan yek projeh 2 saleh ra beh massalan 8 ghessmat (INCREMENT) taghsim mikonand va az aval barayeh har INCREMENT sharayet ENTRY (vorod) va EXIT (Khoroj ) migozarand. Massalan migoyand Increment 2 ra zamani mitavanim shoro konim keh in UML document ha va design amadeh bashad, in soal ha javab dadeh shodeh bashad va in afrad esstekhdam shodeh va kar bar gharar bashad. Baad Increment 2 khoroji ash ghabool mishe vaghti keh massalan tedad ERROR va irad hayi keh goroh TEST peyda kardeh and bayad 80% irad ha bartaraf shodeh bashad keh mamoolan migoyand RR (Run Rate) va PR (Pass Rate) chand darssad bashad. Massalan agar shoma darid HTTP Stack ra dar projeh dorosst mikonid aval projeh goroh test miayad 100 ta TEST CASE maloom mikonand hala baad az INCREMENT 2 keh gharar asst HTTP STACK amadeh bashad keh baad shoma beh massalan BROWSER (mororgar) dar INCREMENT 3 beravid. Bayad goroh test tonessteh bashad 80 ta az test hashoon ra randeh bashand RUN RATE = 80%  bad migoyid az in test ha keh roondand 90 darssad bayad OK bashad va PASSED kardeh bashad => Pass Rate = 90% (PR)
             
            Injoori ghashang midoonid projeh va SOFTWARE va barnameh shoma dar che hadi va QUALITY hasst.
             
            Hala in aadad ra dar projeh esstefadeh mikonid va migoyid massalan agar INCREMENT 2 dar 15 March EXIT kard hameh afrad dar projeh 100% BONUS va padash ra migirand keh in padash massalan mitonand 6% az hoghogh salaneh shan bashad.
             
            Har hafteh keh az in tarikh 15 March begozarad shoma massalan 10% az BONUS va padash anha kam mikonad keh hafteh baad mishe 90%, 80% va haminjoor kam mishavad.
             
            Injoori hameh gorohi kar mikonand va say mikonand keh projeh beh moghe anjam shavad va beh ham komak mikonand. Va kassi nemigoyad in ghessmat moshkel man nisst va moshkel akbar ya hassan asst beh man rabti nadarad. Hameh ba ham hamkari mikonand. va khodeshoon ra yek team ehssass mikonand.
             
            In tanha raveshi asst keh man didam moafagh boodeh, ravesh hayeh digar ra didam vali jaleb naboodeh.
             
            Yek ravesh sherkathayi messl Samsung bekar mibarand in asst keh massalan 2 ta team rah miandazand keh yek kari ra mikonand va hodoodan yek telefon ra missazand vali ba ham chi hamkari nemikonand. Gorohi keh zoodtar tamam konad BONUS va padash ziadi migirad, va inha badjoori ba ham reghabat mikonand. Be ham komak ham nemikonand. Yek dali ham in asst keh raiss ha beh karmandan etemad nadarand agar yeki goft in kar nemishe va inghadar tool mikeshad khoob goroh digar khoob harf digar mizanad va momken asst begoyad keh areh mishe inkar ra kard. Yani kami dalil in asst keh TRUST va etemaad nisst. Messl forodgah ha keh didid dar bazi keshvar ha 3, 4 ta bazressi migozarand ? yeki az dalayelash in asst keh agar shooma raftid ba pool yeki az in bazressan ra kharidid baghieh ra momken asst moshkel dashteh bashid bekharid. Hala Samsung ham shayad yeki az dalayelash in bashad.
             
            Vali ma fekr mikonim yek projeh ra mamooli bekhayim beroonim va TRUST va etemaad bashad ya inkeh agar nisst mishavad ba BONUS va padash halat TEAM WORKING ra bevojood avard.
            Baad bar mikhorim hala beh in jaryan keh dar bazi keshvar ha va CULTURE (farhang ha) pool mohem nisst. Massalan shooma beh oon Soofi dar Hend keh dar beyaban migardad va hal mikonad berid harchi pool bedahid, migoyad "Booooroooo baaabaaaaa " ya had akssar az an barayeh sokhtan va garm kardan khood esstefadeh khahad kard. Garche soofi va darvish ham soofi hayeh ghadimi, sofiayeh jadid hend ham yeki dootashoon man didam poolaki shodand va az Touristha pool migirand.
             
            Beh har hal ma bayad farz ra bar in begirim keh afradi dar in karhayeh tekniki va SOFTWARE Development hasstand bedin soorat nisstand. Baad bayad yek system dorosst kard keh moshkeli shoma goftid dar Iran ba chek bi mohal va gheyreh hal kard keh an ideh barayeh sherkat asst keh dar ghessmat zir mikhanim.
             
            Shodeh messl in barnameh hayeh televisioni keh migoyand cheshm adam khassteh nashe hey ghat mikonand agahi migozarand. Man ham hey mozo ra ghat mikonam miram beh neveshteh hayeh shoma, dar zemn yek chayi mikhoram bar migardam.
             
            Ba ma bashid hich ja naravid, kanal ra ham avaz nakonid .......................
             
             
             
            vali ma ino dar iran aslan nadareh
            key migeh dar iran hameh donbal kar hastan
            key megeh dar iran mohandesa be kar hastan
            kasy keh kar anadareh mireh har kare mikoneh
            dar hali keh dar iran afrad raze be kar kardan nistan
             
            age shoma e projeh be kase beden va on dar zamanesh anjam nadeh chikar mitonin bokonin?
            hoghogh nemiden
            khob naden ,, vaghan fekr mikonin farghi mikoneh??????
            na aslan
            chon ma dar iran aslan arzeshi baray pol ghael nistim
            albateh beshtar afrad besyar sharef hastan va har man ba afrad bad ghol hastesh va khaesh mikonam irani hay khosh gol narahat nashan
             
            moshkel asle dar iran in hastesh keh moder ghodrat tanbeh nadareh chon age bekhad kare koneh fard khaty zerr hameh chiz mizeneh
            dashtan gharardad va check va ... hameh alanki hastesh
            e gharar dad faghat e safeh kaghaz hastesh keh be khater kami neveshteh rosh batel shodeh va age bekhad kasy eghdami koneh bayad salha donbal on bereh shayad javabi begereh
            dar keshvare keh check bargashty hich etebary nadareh vaghan e gharar dad mani dareh?
             
            dar har hal mozoy bahs zaman ande projeh hastesh
            dar iran bayad moder hamesheh chand hafteh zodtar az zaman payan karo takmil koeh va chand nafar ro to ab namak negar dareh keh age kasy bad gholi kard az ona estefadeh koneh
             
            Dar projeh hayeh tekniki va Software mamoolan PM LAG va FLOAD time migozarad keh agar jayi iradi bood ya kassi marizi chizi az an vaght ezafi esstefadeh shavad keh mamoolan CRITICAL PATH yani az noghteh A beh B dar projeh keh bebinand zaman takhir nemitooneh dashteh bashad ra peyda mikonand. Massalan dar projeh aval dorosst kardan HTTP STACK (2 mah) baad BROWSER (2 mah) baad XML PARSER (2 mah) 3 kar mokhtalef keh yeki baad az digari baayad dorosst shavad va takhir dar har kodam takhir dar kool projeh bevojood miavarad pass in CRITICAL PATH asst va bayad har vaght takhir bood az jahayeh digar afrad beh komak in goroh fresstad. Vali massalan agar CLOCK saat dar telefon keh 2 mah vaght migirad kassi takhir dasht hanooz okay asst choon shoma 4 mah FLOAD barayeh an darid keh mitavanid az an esstefadeh konid choon CLOCK sari amadeh shavad vali BROWSER amadeh nabashad projeh tammam nashoodeh va shooma telefon ra nemitoonid beforshid choon moshtari az shoma hatman BROWSER ra mikhahad.
             
            In dar karhayeh SOFTWARE asst vali dar karhayeh fiziki hamoon jaryan dar ab namak khabandan bayad esstefadeh shavad keh massalan dar kar restaurant ya foroshgah, ya ranandeh otoboss va gheyreh agar yeki mariz shood nayoomad khoob shoma sari bayad fard digar ra zang bezanid beyayad. Keh jatoon khali man khoodam joozv oon to ab namak khabideh ha boodam, baad nisst. Dar dooran daneshjooyi dar Soed kenar darss keh kar mikardim dar ashbazkhooneh bimaresstan, dorosst kardan salad va gheyreh keh khyeli khoob bood agar kassi nemiamad va shanbeh yek shanbeh ha ya tatilat rassmi beh ma zang mizadand miraftim va double ya souble hessab mishood. 8 saat kar 16 saat hoghogh midadand. Tazeh baad az saat 7 shab keh mamoolan zarfshoori ba dasstgahha va ghablemeh ha bood agar kassi mibmand double bood. Keh albateh heykal man ra mididand mara migozashtand barayeh shoostan oon ghablemeh ha keh kheyli sakht bood digeh miamadid khoneh mioftadid khab miraftid. Vali khobish in bood keh double va souble bood khoob bejayeh 5 rooz kar barayeh daneshjooyan khoob bood yek shanbeh yek shanbeh i kar mikardand va pooli dar miavardand. Banabarin in dar namak khabandan barayeh kar hayeh fiziki mishavad anjam dad vali Mohandessin va motekhassessin keh gheymateshan bala asst va saati CHARGE mishavad nemishe dar namak khaband.
             
            Rassti yek kari keh ma bayad bekonim idar Iran n asst keh daneshjooyan ma hengam darss karhayeh fiziki ziad bekonand keh badaneshan beh kar adat konad va sakhti keshideh bashand keh baadan ham ghadr darssi ra keh khandand midanand va ham be kassani keh karhayeh fiziki mikonand ehteram khassi ghael mibashand. Beh toor kol kar kardan massaleh mamooli dar miayad manand kheyli keshvar hayeh shomal oropa va hameh nemikhahand posht miz neshin bashand keh hamoon moshkelati keh shoma goftid beh vojood miayad.
             
            omid varam roze bereseh keh dar iran ham hameh be fekr zaman bashan va age mohandesy bad gholi kard bedoneh hameh jay khabar dar mishan va behesh kar nemidan,, baray hamin kamtar bad gholi koneh
            mazerat mikham sareton ro dard avordam
            rasty in asami va mataleb baray ketab aghay rezayy ( nazareh hay sazmani va moderayat ) hastesh keh majbor shodam baray yad giri modereyat bekhodanam
            In jaryani keh goftid : "va age mohandesy bad gholi kard bedoneh hameh jay khabar dar mishan va behesh kar nemidan", in hamani asst keh goftam tir zadid to khal, va ideh barayeh projeh va sherkati dar iran.
             
            Choon man beh in fekr kardam va goftam makhraj moshtarak tammam in keshvar ha chisst keh in kar mikonad dar oropa va asia va amrika ? Massaleh in asst keh afrad tarssi az chizi darand keh oon kar ra anjam midahand va ehtemalan in tarss dar Iran vojood nadarad.
             
            Dar Kore va Japon mamoolan dar sath sherkat ha sandikayeh sherkat ha asst keh ba ham hasstand agar shoma ra nafy konand digar hichkass ba shoma gharardad nemibandad banabarin sherkat shoma say mikonad moratab bashad va beh moghe massael ra tahvil dahad.
             
            Baryaeh massael shakhssi va Sherkatha, dar Soed keh goftim az karmandan moshkel mitonid kar bekhahid choon ekhrajeshan ham moshkel asst va shoma az sherkathayeh kontrakter esstefadeh mikonid va in sherkatha barayeh sabegheh khodeshan bayad beh mogheh tahvil dahand.
             
            Dar sath shakssi goftid dar Iran kassi az nagaraften pool baki nadarad ya chek bimohal va gheyreh. Banabarin rah hal dorosst kardan 2 sherkat dar sath kehsvar asst :
             
            1. Credit Report
            2. Money Collector
             
            Dovomi in asst keh agar shoma az kassi talabi darid dar gharardad va gheyreh in sherkat ha donbal kar ra migirand va ba vakil ha va ghofl kardan hoghogh va daramad taraf eghdam mikonand. keh pool vakil hashoon ra ham beh meghdar an gharz ezafeh mikonand keh az taraf begirand.
             
            Hala sherkat aval jaleb asst keh ehtemalan Iran ehtiaj darad keh ideh khoobi asst agar kassi az shoma an ra rah beyandazid va ya gorohi eghdam konid.
             
            Dar Soed massalan mardoom tarss az in darand keh agar yek ghabzi ra nadahand essmeshan miravad beh KRONOFOGDEN va in dar DATABASE anha ta chand sal mimanad va parvandeh shan kharab mishavad va har kar bekhahand bekonand mohskel khahand dasht. Keh albateh oonja har kass ba yek 10 shomareh shenakhteh mishavad va hameh parvandeh ha ba oon 10 shomareh moshakhass mishavad. Keh Iran fekr konam ba ID CARD keh shoro shodeh in ghadam aval bardashteh shoodeh va kar ra rahat kardeh.
             
            Hala ghessmat baad keh shoma mitavanid aval ejazeh ghanooni begirid va baad shoro konid baz kardan in sherkat hayeh CREDIT REPORT asst.
             
            Massalan dar Amrika salha asst keh 3 ta sherkat zir vojood darand :
             
             
            Keh mitavnid dar google.com ya dar link zir nemooneh CREDIT REPORT yek nafar ra bebinid:
             
            Nemooneh moshakeshat yek nafar dar in sazeman ha:
             
            Shoma agar massalan ghabz barghetan ra dir dadid ya beh gharardad malitan ba kassi raayat nakardid va gheyreh in sherkathayeh mootabar manand BANK ha va sherkat hayeh bimeh INSURANCE va gheyrhe in REPORT ra barayeh in sherkat ha mahaneh mifresstand va inha dar DATABASE khood zabt mikonand. Hala shoma massalan mikhayid yek mashin bekharid va vam begirid, ya khoneh bekharid va vam begirid ya yek khoneh ejareh konid va gheyreh. Avalin kari keh mikonand CREDIT REPORT shoma ra az yeki az in sherkat ha mikhahand. Agar massael mossbat dar mored shoma nabashad khaneh ra ejareh nemidahand ya beh gheymat kheyli baala choon shoma risky hasstid. Ya vam ba bahreyeh bala choon shoma riski hasstid.
             
            Banabarin dar sat jame eh hameh mitarssand parvandeh shan kharab shavad va movazeb hasstand. Sherkat ha ham keh agar parvandeh i dar dadgah dashteh bashand va gheyreh sabt mishavad va shoma massalan yek kontraktor mikhahid begirid aval moshakhessatash ra check mikonid.
             
            In sherkatha ham pooleshan ra az har REPORT keh midahand massalan $60 ya $30 bassteh cheghadar kamel bashad dar miavarad. 1 million dar rooz darkhasst beshe khodash mishe $30 million dar rooz. Keh inha karmandan ziadi dar tammam shahr ha esstekhdam darand. Ghadima ba system hayeh aghab oftadeh kar mikardand va rooz  beh rooz pishrafteh tar mishavand keh alan az tarigh WEB ham mitonid taghaza konid.
             
            Hala shoma gorohi dar Iran kari mitoonid bekonid nemooneh in sherkat ra ejazeh ghanooni gerefteh bezanid. Faghat yek eshkal dar Iran vojood darad keh taraf dar moredesh in sherkat baad neveshteh bashid momken asst dosstashoo jam konad berizand shab sherkatetoon ra berizand beh ham va DATABASE va SERVER etan kharab konand. Mamoolan in sherkat ha amniat ziadi darand va dar ghessmathayeh makhsoss va mohkam va karmandan ham raz dar va ghassam khordeh keh haye dar mored parvandeh afrad ba digaran harf nazanand va gheyreh.
             
            Hala shoma agar ejazeh ghanoni begirid mitonid gheyr az mohkam kari hayeh bala massalan dar 3 ghessmat yeki dar Tehran, yeki dar Mashhad yeki dar Tabriz keh alan bache ha faal darim yek DATABASE, Oracle ya ba SQL shoro konid bessazid va har shab SYNCHRONIZE konid keh agar rikhtand dosstan kassi dar Tehran kamputer ra kharab kardand ya doozdidand dar Mashahd va Tabriz kopi az an bashad. Albateh in dar avayel asst baadan keh karetan begirad digar mitavanid herfeh i tar eghdam konid va negahban va gheyreh.
             
            Vali avayel mitoonid WEB dorosst konid va beh Bank ha, sherkat hayeh Bimeh, Bongah hayeh moamelati begoyid keh mitavanand tarikhche eghtessadi (bayad faghat eghtesadi bashad, janayi va gheyreh marboot beh dadgah ha mibashad) va inkeh afrad khosh hessab boodeh and ya nah ra az shoma bekhahand va beh shoma bedahand. Avayel mitonid in REPORT ra arzan ya majani dar ekhtiar begozarid ta in system bevojood beyayad va in farhang ra bessazid.
             
            Vaghti in farhang saktheh shood va system rah oftad messl kheyli keshvar hayeh digar, afrad dar projeh ha va ravabet sherkat ha gharardad ha ra raayat mikonand va yeki az massael an vaght shenassi asst bevojood miayad.
             
            Kheyli az in keshvar ha in massael ra rooz aval nadashtand va kam kam ghadam beh ghadam sakhtand, shoma ham mitoonid ghadam beh ghadam eghdam konid va bessazid Keh nassl hayeh ayandeh niz mamnoonetan khahand bood.
             
            ,,
            rasty agha rosso
            man ghablan ela amadegim ro kardam baray har goneh komaki age kare basheh dar khedmatam
            age mibinin javab bazy az nameh ha ro ham der der midem be khater sangin bodan matalebi hast keh shoma migin va ma hameh dost darem dar har kary keh az dastemon bar miyad komak konin
            ghablan rezomeh mano deden, khodeton age kare bod keh betonam komak konam befarmaeed khoshal misham
            e pishnehad ham baray kara daram
             
            Resume (CV) etan ra agar barayeh man fresstadid naressid (Word format ? ).
            Vali etelaat hodoodi dar nameh ghabli tan dasstam amad keh fekr mikonam keh kanal khoobi bashid barayeh dasstressi beh motekhassessin. Mikham barayeh bacheh hayi keh elam alagheh kardeh and kharej az in goroh email bedam, keh mozahem shoma ham misham.
            age dost dashteh bashin va inkeh hamdegaro beshtar beshnasem e chat room gharar bezarem va e sa'at khasy az roz keh hameh dor ham jam shim
            omid varam chenin zamani jr besheh
             
            Vallah oon avayel chandin nafar goftand berim CHAT keh goftim dar chat yahoo (marboot beh hamin goroh) har shab saat 8 ta 9 shab dar har keshvari hasstim berim, hata yek chat site yeki az bache (pirooz) ha keh dar Japon hasst dar ekhtiar gozasht keh yahoo man chand bar raftam kassi nabood. Oon dar japon ham raftim 3, 4 nafar yek bar omadim. Vali fekr konam 2, 3 ta az bache ha ba ham beh soorat jodaganeh tammass darand. Hala agar kar gorohi i chizi shoro konim shayad dobareh mozoh CHAT ra matrah konim bebinim chi mishe.
             
             
            ba tshakor az shoma va tamam dostani keh komak mikonan
            be omid dedar
            Sohrab

            amin mahmudian <amin_mahmudian@...> wrote:
            salam be hame,

            man daneshjoo hastam va hanooz projeh rasmi baray jayi
            nadashtam, vali harfay BOOS bram kheyli jaleb bood
            chand ta nokte be nazaram resid :
            dar mored kelas va daneshgah goftid,man alan ke vagt
            emtehan hast fekr mikonam mibinam agar in ravesh ro
            ejra mikardam kheyli baram khob bood,vali agar man ye
            rozi ostade ye jayi shodam hatman in ravesho entekhab
            mikonam,ham baray khodam rahattare ham baray daneshjo
            ha,masalan ma vasat term yek dafe ostad miad mige
            hafte dige ya do hafte dige emtehane,hala ma onrooz
            emtehan dashte bashim ya harchi.

            ye rooz chand sale pish ke aghay Khatami reis
            jomhoor,rafte bood USA baray sokhanrani dar UN,ke
            hamoon vaght baray IRANi ha dar USA ham sokhanrani
            dasht,goft mohajerat yeki az rahhay goftegoy
            tamadonhast, man ba khodam goftam baray ma ke dakhel
            hastm chetoor mitone mofid bashe,behar hal goftegoo do
            tarafe ast,ba in sohbat hay agay Rosso hala
            mifahmam,man fekr mikonam ma be onvam gheshr tahsil
            karde bayad baray pishraft keshvaremoon bishtar va
            behtar kar konim,chon be har hal ma az sarmaie hay in
            keshvar be inja residim va masoliat darim,man yek
            shoar baray khodam daram ke hamishe behesh amal
            mikonam ke : AGE AZ CHIZI NARAHATI GHOR NAZAN AVAZAESH
            KON.shayad kheyli chiza ro nashe alan avaz kard,vali
            mesl parvaz mimone,alan age dar mored behtarin
            havapeyma ha ham bekhan sohbat konand aval filme onai
            ro neshon midan ke ba bali ke ba par dorost karde mi
            khast bepare.ma ye ostad dashtim baray yeki az
            darsamoon dar bare vejdan mohandesi sohbat mikard mesl
            hamin vaght shenasi,khodesh migoft ye projeh gereftam
            ta tarikh 2 hafte dige hanooz shoro nakardam.manzoram
            ine ke age chizi garare avaz beshe khodemoon bayad
            avazesh konim hala shayad 30-40 sal tool bekeshe vali
            sale 1410 masalan dige in moshke vojod nadare.
            merci,mibakhshid ziad neveshtam
            Amin Mahmudian 

            --- Iranian Symbian <iranian_symbian@...> wrote:

            > Ba Salam,

            > Ba Hamid yeki az dosstan faal aziz, mozoh vaght
            > shenassi va daghigh boodan dar massael roozaneh dar
            > email mored bahss bood.

            > Ba Sohrab aziz yeki digar az dosstan aziz dar in
            > goroh dar mored beh mogheh tahvil dadan projeh dar
            > yek email mored bahss bood keh ishan migoftand keh
            > dar chand projeh keh barayeh yek sherkati dar kharej
            > az Iran anjam dadand tajroobeh khobi nadashtand va
            > jaryan beh daghighe 90 va penalty keshideh shood.

            > Gooftam shayad behtar bashad bahss ra beh goroh va
            > omomi bekeshim bebinim tajroobeh digar dosstan chi
            > boodeh ? Aya shoma halati ra soragh darid dar Iran
            > ya kharej Iran keh projeh beh mogheh va tarikhi keh
            > gofteh shoodeh anjam shoodeh ? Agar areh, dalayel
            > moafaghiat an beh nazar shooam chi boodeh ? Agar
            > nah, dalayel shekasst ? Beh nazar shooma chekar
            > bayad kard keh yek projeh dar har farhangi beh
            > mogheh tahvil dadeh shavad ? Mitonid dar inja
            > nazaretan ra begoyid ya khaterat khoob ya bad dar in
            > mored ra benevissid.

            > Ghabl az shoma agar man az tajaroob khodam begoyam,
            > tajaroobi keh daram dar projeh hayeh mokhtalef dar
            > keshvar hayeh mokhtalef va ba farhang hayeh
            > mokhtalef boodeh. Fekr mikonam in tanha ma Irani ha
            > nisstim ba zaman moshkel darim, hamangooneh keh
            > goftam bisthar afradi keh az Khavar mianeh va
            > manategh atraf didam moshkel darand. Baad dar Oropa
            > harchi payin tar va jonob tar miravid in moshkel
            > bishtar mishavad. Massalan jonoob Europa keshvarhayi
            > messl Italia, Espania, Portugal, Jonob fransseh,
            > farhangi messl khodeman keh hala bebinim chi mishe
            > ziad mibinid. Kheyli shahrhayeh Espania keh mibinid
            > manand baazi az shahrhayeh khodeman zohr ha kareshan
            > ra tark mikonand miravand nahar mikhorand va
            > mikhaband (SIESTA) va 3, 4 dobareh miayand. Albateh
            > shayad in beh elaat garm boodan hava dar in keshvar
            > ha asst. Dar avaz shabha mibinid edareh momken asst
            > ta 6, 7 baz bashad va foroshghaha ta 12 shab manand
            > Bombay dar hend keh hava garm asst va jonb o joosh
            > khood ra darad.

            > Dar avaz dar shomal Oropa dar keshvar hayi messl
            > Alman, baad keshvarhayeh Eskandinavy manand Danmark,
            > Soed, Finland, Norwej (Norway) har chi bala tar miri
            > hava sardtar va monazami bishtar. Agar gharar bashad
            > saat 5:00 dar Bank ya foroshgah bassteh shavad haman
            > saat darb bassteh mishavad. Hala shoma harcheh
            > mikhayid royeh shishe bezanid keh agha, khanoom toro
            > khooda darb ra baz kon man faghat migkham felan chiz
            > ra sari bekharam beram. Gheyr momken asst dar ra baz
            > konand. Kheyli royeh shishe bezanid momken asst
            > polis beyayad va shomara bebarad.

            > Choon onha oon saat bayad darb ra bebandand, va baad
            > ghabz hara hessab konand va hessab rooz ra bebandand
            > va massalan otoboss saat 5:37 ra begirad beravad
            > khanash. Agar shoma 3 daghigeh moatelash konid
            > otoboss 5:37 daghigeh ra az dasst midahad.

            > Albateh doosti beh shokhi migoft in kehsvarhayeh
            > shomal oropa, barayeh in inghdar moratab shodand va
            > sar gharareshan daghigh 8:10 massalan miayand choon
            > otoboss hashoon agar dar jadval zamanbandi neveshteh
            > sobh saat 8:17 miayad baadi 8:23 baadi 8:37 va
            > gheyreh, agar nayayad taraf zemesstoon az sarma
            > oonja khoshkash mizanad va mimirad. Beh har hal har
            > dalili darad kheyli moratab va vaght shenass
            > hasstand va hamin massaleh ra shoma dar projeh ha
            > mibinid massalan projeh hayeh sherkat hayi manannd
            > Ericsson, Sony Ericsson va Nokia. Banbarin bayad
            > havassetan bashad projeh i ba in sherkat ha dar
            > ayandeh dashtid vaght shenassi barashoon kheyli
            > mohem asst, va agar kehsvar hayeh digar oropayi va
            > amrikayi ra dideh id inha digar 10 barabar anha
            > hasstand va in ra khoob asst dar zehnetan dashteh
            > bashid vaghti projeh ha ra anjam midahid.

            > Ma avayel keh Soed daneshgah ya kelass hayeh digar
            > miraftim, mididim rooz aval moalem ya osstad miayad
            > AGENDA va list tammam karha dar tool sal ra midahad
            > va migoyand che roozi che saati emtehan ha asst.
            > Baad bacheh hayeh soedi shoro mikonand taghvim hayeh
            > makhsoos az kif va jibeshan dar avardand va tarikha
            > ra nevesthan va bahss shoro mishe keh osstad mishe
            > massalan felan test ra felan rooz beh 2 rooz baad
            > montaghel konid choon midoonid oon rooz ghablesh
            > tatil asst va felan etefagh mioftad, bacheh hayeh
            > goroh ham felan barnameh ra darand va gheyreh.
            > Kholasseh hameh movafeghat mikardand va tarikh avaz
            > mishood.

            > Ya dar kelass hayeh khodemooni kochak tar mididi
            > felani migoft man dar oon hafteh (6 mah digar)
            > massooliat bache ha ra beh ohdeh daram va felan
            > massaleh saat 4:30 bayad beram agar kassi mokhalef
            > nisst in jaryan ra beh saat 3:45 enteghal dahim,
            > hameh negah mikardand beh taghvimashoon va migoftand
            > barayeh man OK asst kholasseh in vaghtha hamoon rooz
            > aval tanzim mishood.

            > Ma ham haj o baj oon vassat ba farhang Irani, 30
            > daghigeh keh hichi, 4, 5 saat keh hichi, emtehan ham
            > keh gharar dashtim hamoon shab akhar yek karish
            > bekonim keh. Inha chi migoyand ? Az koja midoonand 6
            > mah digar che khabar asst. Kholasseh baadan mididim
            > eh rasst goftand chand rooz ghabl az emtehan hamoon
            > jaryani keh oonha migoftand va oon tatilat felan
            > moshkel ra bevojood miavarad va kholasseh ta etefagh
            > nemiotfad nemifahmidim.

            > Albateh baad az chand sal didim khodemoon ham messl
            > oonha shoodim, az 3 mah ghabl emtehanat ra tanzim
            > kardeh va beh khondan mashghool. Mayi keh toyeh Iran
            > hamoon shab akhar maximum hafteh akhar kheyli
            > mikhondim. Albateh dar oon reshteh keh ma mikhandim
            > dar Soed nemidoonam jaryan ba daneshghah hayeh digar
            > keh khondeh boodam kheyli fargh mikard va kheyli
            > sakht bood va 5 ta darss ba ham mibayesst khond keh
            > bedoon in barnameh rizi va tanzim vaght asslan
            > nemishood pish raft va vahedi gozaroond. Va mamoolan
            > bishtar karmandan va mohandessin Ericsson Soed,
            > makhssoosan dar sath modiriat projeh ha messl inkeh
            > maghaleh i nevestheh bood az oon daneshghah biroon
            > miayand. Vali betoor kool mishe in moratabi ra dar
            > sath keshvar dar in keshvar hayeh Scandinaviayi
            > messl Soed (Ericsson) va Finland (Nokia) did.

            > Tazeh Finlandi ha gheyr az in monazami dar vaght az
            > Soedi ha poor kar tar hasstand va kheyli kar
            > mikonand. Dar zemn yek khassiati keh in keshvar ha
            > darand keh shoma dar sherkat hashoon ham mibinid
            > TRUST va etemaad ziad beh bala dassteshan va
            > hokoomat va gheyreh darand va khodeshan ra dar hameh
            > massael sharik midanand. Bar akss massalan Italiayi
            > ha keh migoyand massalan hokoomat va oon bala
            > CORRUPTED va fassed asst va dasst Mafia asst pass
            > man chera dorosst kar konam ? Har ja mishe yek joori
            > az kar momken asst bezanand va taghaloob konand.
            > Massalan migoyand bishtar sherkat ha dar Italia 2 ta
            > daftar hessabdari akhar sal darand yeki oon keh beh
            > doolat midahand va daramad ra kam neshoon midahand
            > yeki ankeh barayeh khodeshan negah midarand.

            > In massaleh TRUST dar yek projeh kheyli mohem asst
            > va inkeh afrad INVOLVED (khod ra jozi az projeh
            > danesstand) bashand. Beh onvan messal man dooreh
            > daneshjooyi jayi dar soed kar mikardam keh afrad
            > ziad az melliat haye mokhtalef donya bood. Az khavar
            > mianeh, asia, afrighayeh shomali (marakesh, tuness
            > va gheyreh). Mididi khareji ha say mikonand az zir
            > kar dar beravand ya beh har sorat yek kalaki toyeh
            > kar bezanand. Ya massalan agar raiss nabood sari 1
            > saat zood tar beravand khooneh. Az yek Soedi yek bar
            > didam baghieh darand miravand oon hamintoor kar
            > mikonad gooftam to nemiri ? Goft man keh hanooz 8
            > saat karam ra anjam nadadeh am nemitonam beravam.
            > Man barayeh 8 saat dar rooz hoghogh migiram bayad 8
            > saat kar konam. Maroo migi pish khodam goftam ajab
            > afradi inha hasstand, bikhood nisst ba in jamiat 9
            > millionishoon inghadar pishraft kardeh and va in
            > hameh teknology pishrafteh az jomleh ABB, Ericsson,
            > SAAB, VOLVO va gheyreh darand. Kashki ma Irani ha
            > ham yek zamani inghadar daghigh va
            >  moratab mishoodim.

            > Albateh adam bayad vagheh bin bashad man fekr
            > nemikonam ma hichvaght dar Iran messl in keshvar
            > hayeh scandinavia daghigh va moratab shavim va
            > etemaad beh bala dassti keh hatman ehtiaj nabashad
            > kassi bala sareman bashad ta kari ra anjam dahim.
            > Choon in khassiat ra dar keshvar hayeh digar ham
            > nemibinid. Messl Franssavi ha Italiayi ha keh tazeh
            > dar Oropa hasstand tazeh che beresseh beh digar
            > keshvarhayeh Asia va Amrikayeh shomali ya jonobi.

            > Dar projeh ha inja dar Amrika etefagh hayeh jalebi
            > mioftad zamani sherkathayi manand Ericsson ya Nokia
            > miayand inja va karmandashan afrad mokhtalef az
            > keshvar hayeh mokhtalef asst, choon dar Amrika afrad
            > az hameh keshvarhayeh donya dar Engineering
            > hasstand, az Asia gerefteh ta oropa va amrikayeh
            > shomali va amrikhayi jonobo. Har koodam farhanghayeh
            > khodeshan va tarif khood barayeh zaman. Modiriat in
            > gooneh projeh ha kheyli sakht asst va shoma
            > chizhayeh ziadi yad migirid. Ehtemalan yek projeh
            > dar Iran ya yek projeh dar Soed sadeh tar asst
            > randan choon bishtar afrad yek farhang darand va
            > shoma midanid ba oon farhang chegooneh barkhord
            > konid vali yek projeh keh chand farhangi asst kheyli
            > sakht va dar zemn jaleb asst dar CONFLICT
            > (ekhtelafat) va MISSUNDERSTANDING (dorosst
            > nafahmidan manzoor yek digar).

            > Choon ma enssan ha mamoolan fekr mikonim keh taraf
            > moghabeleman haman bardashti az kalameh i keh ma
            > bekar mibirim darad keh khodeman darim. Vali az koja
            > midanim
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          • amin mahmudian
            Sohrab & Team aziz salam, az inke nazarat va pishnahad ha toon ro dadid mamnonam,man be onvan kasi ke mikhad bezodi vared in bazar kar beshe(bazar IRAN),kheyli
            Message 5 of 8 , Jan 10, 2005
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              Sohrab & Team aziz salam,

              az inke nazarat va pishnahad ha toon ro dadid
              mamnonam,man be onvan kasi ke mikhad bezodi vared in
              bazar kar beshe(bazar IRAN),kheyli khoshhal misham dar
              mored tajrobe ha va nazar hay shoma bishtar baray ma
              sohbat konid,fekr konam baghie ham estefade konand
              (albate fekr konam) bazam mamnoon.
              *Note : faghat dar mored Type finglishi(!)lotfan
              bishtar deghat konid ta ma rahat tar manzoretoon ro
              befahmim.
              ghorbane shoma
              Amin Mahmudian
              --- sohrab asadzadeh <sasadzadeh@...> wrote:

              > salam bar hamegi makhsosan rosso aziz
              > az inkeh be nameh man tavajoh karden va barash chand
              > bar javab neveshtin mamnon
              > rastesh man khili baray javad dadan be nameh shoma
              > fekr kardam
              > midonin ma dar iran moshkelatemon kami ba jahay
              > degeh fargh dareh
              > vali man mikham be sorat kami elmi bahash barkhord
              > konam
              > hamontory keh goftam man ghabla chanta projeh az
              > kharej gerefteh bodam keh moteasefaneh dar zaman
              > ejra mamolan be man bad gholi mishod va vaghty ro z
              > akhar mishod man hamash bayad az in var be onvar
              > shahr miraftam ta kar tamom besheh ya inkeh khodam e
              > ghesmaty ro anjam midadam
              > in keh e kare be daghegh 90 mimoneh masaleh iran
              > nist va dar kol jahan vojod dareh
              > dar ghanon parkinson migeh har projeh be andazeh
              > zamanesh tol mikesheh
              > yani age e projeh 2 mah kar dareh va shoma begin 2
              > sal bazam toy 2 sal anjam misheh na to 2 mah
              > baresy neshon dadeh keh in elat asli emprator saze
              > hastesh
              > yani inkeh taraf baray inkeh bazdeh sherkat 2
              > barabar besheh karmandaro 2 barabar mikoneh vali
              > bazdeh hamon mimoneh ya kami avaz misheh
              > dar kol donya sar shodeh in masalaro hal konan va
              > koli ham ghanon barash gozashtan
              > vali ma dar iran be in rahaty nemitonim hal konim
              > shayad elatesh kami dor az zehn basheh vali e elat
              > sadeh hastesh
              > fayol dar 14 asl khodesh migeh bayad moder ekhteyar
              > dashteh basheh
              > yani inkeh betoneh dastor bedeh va darstoresh ro ba
              > komak padash va tanbeh be ejra dar beyareh
              > vali ma ino dar iran aslan nadareh
              > key migeh dar iran hameh donbal kar hastan
              > key megeh dar iran mohandesa be kar hastan
              > kasy keh kar anadareh mireh har kare mikoneh
              > dar hali keh dar iran afrad raze be kar kardan
              > nistan
              >
              > age shoma e projeh be kase beden va on dar zamanesh
              > anjam nadeh chikar mitonin bokonin?
              > hoghogh nemiden
              > khob naden ,, vaghan fekr mikonin farghi
              > mikoneh??????
              > na aslan
              > chon ma dar iran aslan arzeshi baray pol ghael
              > nistim
              > albateh beshtar afrad besyar sharef hastan va har
              > man ba afrad bad ghol hastesh va khaesh mikonam
              > irani hay khosh gol narahat nashan
              >
              > moshkel asle dar iran in hastesh keh moder ghodrat
              > tanbeh nadareh chon age bekhad kare koneh fard khaty
              > zerr hameh chiz mizeneh
              > dashtan gharardad va check va ... hameh alanki
              > hastesh
              > e gharar dad faghat e safeh kaghaz hastesh keh be
              > khater kami neveshteh rosh batel shodeh va age
              > bekhad kasy eghdami koneh bayad salha donbal on
              > bereh shayad javabi begereh
              > dar keshvare keh check bargashty hich etebary
              > nadareh vaghan e gharar dad mani dareh?
              >
              > dar har hal mozoy bahs zaman ande projeh hastesh
              > dar iran bayad moder hamesheh chand hafteh zodtar az
              > zaman payan karo takmil koeh va chand nafar ro to ab
              > namak negar dareh keh age kasy bad gholi kard az ona
              > estefadeh koneh
              >
              > omid varam roze bereseh keh dar iran ham hameh be
              > fekr zaman bashan va age mohandesy bad gholi kard
              > bedoneh hameh jay khabar dar mishan va behesh kar
              > nemidan,, baray hamin kamtar bad gholi koneh
              > mazerat mikham sareton ro dard avordam
              > rasty in asami va mataleb baray ketab aghay rezayy (
              > nazareh hay sazmani va moderayat ) hastesh keh
              > majbor shodam baray yad giri modereyat bekhodanam
              >
              > ,,
              > rasty agha rosso
              > man ghablan ela amadegim ro kardam baray har goneh
              > komaki age kare basheh dar khedmatam
              > age mibinin javab bazy az nameh ha ro ham der der
              > midem be khater sangin bodan matalebi hast keh shoma
              > migin va ma hameh dost darem dar har kary keh az
              > dastemon bar miyad komak konin
              > ghablan rezomeh mano deden, khodeton age kare bod
              > keh betonam komak konam befarmaeed khoshal misham
              > e pishnehad ham baray kara daram
              > age dost dashteh bashin va inkeh hamdegaro beshtar
              > beshnasem e chat room gharar bezarem va e sa'at
              > khasy az roz keh hameh dor ham jam shim
              > omid varam chenin zamani jr besheh
              > ba tshakor az shoma va tamam dostani keh komak
              > mikonan
              > be omid dedar
              > Sohrab
              >
              > amin mahmudian <amin_mahmudian@...> wrote:
              > salam be hame,
              >
              > man daneshjoo hastam va hanooz projeh rasmi baray
              > jayi
              > nadashtam, vali harfay BOOS bram kheyli jaleb bood
              > chand ta nokte be nazaram resid :
              > dar mored kelas va daneshgah goftid,man alan ke vagt
              > emtehan hast fekr mikonam mibinam agar in ravesh ro
              > ejra mikardam kheyli baram khob bood,vali agar man
              > ye
              > rozi ostade ye jayi shodam hatman in ravesho
              > entekhab
              > mikonam,ham baray khodam rahattare ham baray
              > daneshjo
              > ha,masalan ma vasat term yek dafe ostad miad mige
              > hafte dige ya do hafte dige emtehane,hala ma onrooz
              > emtehan dashte bashim ya harchi.
              >
              > ye rooz chand sale pish ke aghay Khatami reis
              > jomhoor,rafte bood USA baray sokhanrani dar UN,ke
              > hamoon vaght baray IRANi ha dar USA ham sokhanrani
              > dasht,goft mohajerat yeki az rahhay goftegoy
              > tamadonhast, man ba khodam goftam baray ma ke dakhel
              > hastm chetoor mitone mofid bashe,behar hal goftegoo
              > do
              > tarafe ast,ba in sohbat hay agay Rosso hala
              > mifahmam,man fekr mikonam ma be onvam gheshr tahsil
              > karde bayad baray pishraft keshvaremoon bishtar va
              > behtar kar konim,chon be har hal ma az sarmaie hay
              > in
              > keshvar be inja residim va masoliat darim,man yek
              > shoar baray khodam daram ke hamishe behesh amal
              > mikonam ke : AGE AZ CHIZI NARAHATI GHOR NAZAN
              > AVAZAESH
              > KON.shayad kheyli chiza ro nashe alan avaz kard,vali
              > mesl parvaz mimone,alan age dar mored behtarin
              > havapeyma ha ham bekhan sohbat konand aval filme
              > onai
              > ro neshon midan ke ba bali ke ba par dorost karde mi
              > khast bepare.ma ye ostad dashtim baray yeki az
              > darsamoon dar bare vejdan mohandesi sohbat mikard
              > mesl
              > hamin vaght shenasi,khodesh migoft ye projeh
              > gereftam
              > ta tarikh 2 hafte dige hanooz shoro
              > nakardam.manzoram
              > ine ke age chizi garare avaz beshe khodemoon bayad
              > avazesh konim hala shayad 30-40 sal tool bekeshe
              > vali
              > sale 1410 masalan dige in moshke vojod nadare.
              > merci,mibakhshid ziad neveshtam
              > Amin Mahmudian
              >
              > --- Iranian Symbian <iranian_symbian@...>
              > wrote:
              >
              > > Ba Salam,
              > >
              > > Ba Hamid yeki az dosstan faal aziz, mozoh vaght
              > > shenassi va daghigh boodan dar massael roozaneh
              > dar
              > > email mored bahss bood.
              > >
              > > Ba Sohrab aziz yeki digar az dosstan aziz dar in
              > > goroh dar mored beh mogheh tahvil dadan projeh dar
              > > yek email mored bahss bood keh ishan migoftand keh
              > > dar chand projeh keh barayeh yek sherkati dar
              > kharej
              > > az Iran anjam dadand tajroobeh khobi nadashtand va
              > > jaryan beh daghighe 90 va penalty keshideh shood.
              > >
              > > Gooftam shayad behtar bashad bahss ra beh goroh va
              > > omomi bekeshim bebinim tajroobeh digar dosstan chi
              > > boodeh ? Aya shoma halati ra soragh darid dar Iran
              > > ya kharej Iran keh projeh beh mogheh va tarikhi
              > keh
              > > gofteh shoodeh anjam shoodeh ? Agar areh, dalayel
              > > moafaghiat an beh nazar shooam chi boodeh ? Agar
              > > nah, dalayel shekasst ? Beh nazar shooma chekar
              > > bayad kard keh yek projeh dar har farhangi beh
              > > mogheh tahvil dadeh shavad ? Mitonid dar inja
              > > nazaretan ra begoyid ya khaterat khoob ya bad dar
              > in
              > > mored ra benevissid.
              > >
              > > Ghabl az shoma agar man az tajaroob khodam
              > begoyam,
              > > tajaroobi keh daram dar projeh hayeh mokhtalef dar
              > > keshvar hayeh mokhtalef va ba farhang hayeh
              > > mokhtalef boodeh. Fekr mikonam in tanha ma Irani
              > ha
              > > nisstim ba zaman moshkel darim, hamangooneh keh
              > > goftam bisthar afradi keh az Khavar mianeh va
              > > manategh atraf didam moshkel darand. Baad dar
              > Oropa
              > > harchi payin tar va jonob tar miravid in moshkel
              > > bishtar mishavad. Massalan jonoob Europa
              > keshvarhayi
              > > messl Italia, Espania, Portugal, Jonob fransseh,
              >
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            • sohrab asadzadeh
              salam khobin onghad emailay aghay rosso ba mohtava hastesh keh man bayad 2 oz baray javab dadan behesh fekr konam rastesh ghanon parkenson baray tamam keshvara
              Message 6 of 8 , Jan 11, 2005
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                salam
                khobin
                onghad emailay aghay rosso ba mohtava hastesh keh man bayad 2 oz baray javab dadan behesh fekr konam
                rastesh ghanon parkenson baray tamam keshvara hastesh vali modereat projeh dar anja ha beseyar khob hastesh va in masale makhfi misheh.. va degeh dedeh nemisheh..
                dar rabeheteh ba bouns keh goftin:
                beheton goftam  masaleh mali nemitoneh bayes besheh keh kar anjam besheh ya na
                chon aslan mohem nist ,,mitonan aslan az kher pol begzaran
                va age shoma bekhay kar reghabaty konin vaghty 2 3 bar kar ba moshkel pish raft va hoghogh ro 90 80% dadey degeh on taraf kar nemikoneh
                vali bazam edeh khobi hastesh
                faghat bayad dar nazar gereft keh age bekhay hamash kar ra ba bouns pish bebare on vaght degeh nemitoni reghabat koni:(
                 
                dar har hal inja iran hast va vaghan moshkelat zayad
                rajeb 2 ta pish  nehade keh daden
                rastesh dar iran sherkat dovom(Money Collector) aslan ghabel tasis nistesh chon vakel nemitoneh donbal pol shoma bereh va aslan nemitoneh bereh shekayat koneh
                bavareton misheh vakel hagh nadareh vared pasgah besheh:))
                khob bazam inja iran hastesh
                rajeb avali kar beseyar khobi hastesh
                yani Credit Report ,, beseyar ali hastesh
                vali bayad e sherkat ghavi in ro pishnehad bedeh va bad piyadeh saze koneh
                mitoneh on sherkat az taraf takfa vam ham begereh va bedon hazeneh in karo koneh
                vali in kar ham niyaz be party baze va ghodrat mali va posht vaneh elmi ziyade dareh keh e kami baray ma sakhteh:(
                vali age e roze iran omaden va khasten e kar bozorg konin man pishnehad midam shoma e sherkat tases konin va in karo bokonin
                chat ham hagh bashoma hastesh fekr konam be khater ekhtelaf sa'aty emkanesh nabasheh
                vali age emkanesh basheh Ym! shoma ro dashteh bashim baze vaghta bahs hay keh niyaz be sohbat ro dar ro hast ro mitonim dar anja be sorat khososi va sare anjam beden
                rasty man az taraf daran zadan emaila dar inja hastam chon fekr mikonam dostan kharej bahs shayad narahat beshan
                rasty man cv khodam ro ghablan baraton ferestadam vali az tarigh e mail group mesl inkeh nemiresehage emkanesh basheh email khodeton ro be man beden
                email man sasadzadeh@... hastesh
                ba tashakor az shoma va javab hay beseyar khobeton
                mamnon
                be omid dedar


                Iranian Symbian <iranian_symbian@...> wrote:
                Salam bar Sohrab va doostan aziz,
                 
                Sohrab jan massael kheyli khoobi ra matrah kardi va fekr konam tir zadi mosstaghim toyeh khal. Man royeh massaeli keh gofti fekr kardam va say kardam moghayesseh konam ba MODEL ha va system hayi keh dar keshvar hayeh digar ddiam keh bebinam chera oonja ha kar mikonad dar Iran kar nemikonad, yek ide jaleb barayeh yek sherkat jaleb beh nazaram amad keh agar kassi in sherkat ra dar Iran bezanad na tanha hezaran balkeh million ha nafar ra mashghool beh kar mikonad va moshkelat ra hal mikonad va nah tanha nassl kononi balkeh nasslhayeh ayandeh sar ghabresh hezaran salavat mifresstand choon moshkel bozorgi ra hal kardeh.
                 
                Etelaat bishtar dar mored in ide ra dar payin dar edameh sohbat hayeh shoma midahaham.
                 
                Pass agar imozoh hayeh shoma ra kholasseh konam beh 3 ghessmat asst keh dar payin man toozihati minevissam:
                 
                1. Ghanoon Parkinson
                2. Ghodrat ejrayi raiss sherkat ya projeh   => Idee barayeh sherkat va kari jadid
                3. Bargharari CHAT
                 
                Dar payin nazarat khodam ra dar in mored minevissam.
                 
                Ba tashakoor
                Rosso Salmanzadeh
                 


                sohrab asadzadeh <sasadzadeh@...> wrote:
                salam bar hamegi makhsosan rosso aziz
                az inkeh be nameh man tavajoh karden va barash chand bar javab neveshtin mamnon
                rastesh man khili baray javad dadan be nameh shoma fekr kardam
                midonin ma dar iran moshkelatemon kami ba jahay degeh fargh dareh
                vali man mikham be sorat kami elmi bahash barkhord konam
                hamontory keh goftam man ghabla chanta projeh az kharej gerefteh bodam keh moteasefaneh dar zaman ejra mamolan be man bad gholi mishod va vaghty ro z akhar mishod man hamash bayad az in var be onvar shahr miraftam ta kar tamom besheh ya inkeh khodam e ghesmaty ro anjam midadam
                in keh e kare be daghegh 90 mimoneh masaleh iran nist va dar kol jahan vojod dareh
                dar ghanon parkinson migeh har projeh be andazeh zamanesh tol mikesheh
                yani age e projeh 2 mah kar dareh va shoma begin 2 sal bazam toy 2 sal anjam misheh na to 2 mah
                 
                Man fekr konam dar jahayeh mokhtalef jahan MODEL hayeh mokhtalef adam mibinad keh beh farhang oon keshvar ha bishtar mikhorad. Massalan in massaleh i keh shoma goftid dar sherkathayeh Asiayi manand Samsung, LG va gheyreh man ziad didam. Ma yek projeh i keh anjam midadim ba yeki az inha, kari ra keh ma barayeh sherkathayeh ziadi anjam dadeh boodim va midanesstim 6 mah tool mikeshad, inha migoftand akhar mah digar bayad amadeh bashad.
                 
                Man migoftam nemishe, ma in kar ra ta hala 5 bar anjam dadim va inghadar tool mikeshad nemitoonid 1 maheh anjam dahid. Migoftand har cheghadar afrad va mohandess mikhahid ma dar ekhtiaretan migozarim va har cheghadar pool mikhahid vali bayad akhar mah digar amadeh bashad. Khoob badish in asst keh Raiss ha in harf ra beshnavand va booyeh pool beh damagheshan bekhorad feshar beh ENGINEERING va team mohandessi miavarand keh areh khoob yek maheh tamoomash konid. Vali in PROJECT MANAGER asst keh bayad joloyeh in feshar ha ra begirad va ghodrat TEAM khood ra bedanad va bedoonad keh che moodat tool mikeshad ta tahvil bedahand va che emkanati darand.
                 
                Beh har hal man beh shokhi be in afrad migoftam oon massal maroof ra shenideh id keh (ba arz maazarat az khanoom haye ozv in goroh) mamoolan ba yek khanoom 9 mah tool mikeshad keh yek bacheh bedoonya beyayad, hala shooma agar 9 ta khanoom ra kenar ham begozarid yek bache 1 maheh bedonya nemiayad. Vali magar beh goosh inha miraft.
                 
                Baad ba yeki az MANAGER ha sohbat mikardam goftam jaryan chisst ? migoft akhe in ravesh ma asst, ma TOP MANAGEMENT va raiss bala midooneh 6 mah tool mikeshad, baad oon beh raiss payin khood migoyad 3 maheh bayad tahvil bedahid. Baad raiss payin beh zir dassti khoodash migoyad 2.5 mahe va oon beh mohandessin migoyad 1 mahe. Baad vaghti man mididam inha chegoneh projeh ra mirondand, mididid afrad darand shab ta sob khodeshan ra mikoshand 1 mahe tahvil dahand, kod kharab va ghati pati mishood va sar 1 mah migoftand amadeh asst, va raiss ham khoshhal keh harfash dorosst shodeh. Baad mididid 5 mah migozarand iradha ra dorosst konad keh mishood hamoon 6 mah avali, vali to in 6 mah pedar hameh ra dar avardeh messl SLAVE (bardeh) afrad 17, 18 saat dar rooz kar kardeh and.
                 
                In ravesh shayad dar keshvar hayeh asiayi va jahayi keh ravabet messl oon film hayeh Samurayi asst mishe anjam dad. Choon mibnid ravabet piramid va makhrooti asst yek mohandess arshad 5, 6 ta noche zir dasstash darad keh shayad bayad shoone hayeh taraf ra ham massage bedahand, kamputer ash ra rooshan konand, sim network ash ra vassl konand va har kodam ghessmati az kod ra migirand va minevissand.
                 
                In farhang dar sherkathayeh digar dar oropa va amrika kar nemikonad. Makhsoosan dar Oropa keh dar bishtar keshvar ha UNION va sandikayeh karmandan va mohandessin ghavi asst va az in karha shoma nemitoonid bekonid. Massalan dar Soed shoma bishtar az 150 saat ezafeh vaght karmandan nemitavanand dashteh bashand bishtar az an sandikayeh karmandan jolo miayad va karfarma bayad dalil bekhossoss dashteh bashad keh ba dar khasst khood karmand betonid 50 saat ya 100 saat digar ejazeh ezafeh vaght begirid.
                 
                Albateh dalil an in asst keh migoyand karfarma pedar karmand ra dar nayavarad keh azash kar ziadi bekeshad va karmand chizi natonad begoyad. Keh aghideh baadi nisst, bedin sorat mohithayeh kari moratab mishavad va beh bardeh dari tabdil nemishavad. Digar dalil in asst keh vaghti yek sherkat beh ezafeh vaght miressad keh bejayeh 8 saat dar rooz ehtiaj beh 10 ta 12 saat ezafeh vaght asst vaght an asst keh fardi jadid esstekhdam konand. Va bedin soorat dar jameh kar jadid bevojood miayad va in faghat tedad maadoodi nisstand keh kar darand. Keh az in nazar ham in kar mossbati asst.
                 
                Vali dar avaz karfarma yan migoyand in taraf keh in kar ra mikonad massalan 10 sal sabeghe ba C++ darad man nemitonam kass digar ra esstekhdam konam keh kar oon ra anjam dahad va in 4 saat ezafeh keh man az in fard migiram ehtiaj beh 10 saat az yek adam tazeh kar asst. Javab in sandika ha in asst keh khoob fard jadid keh esstekhdam mikonid bayad behesh dooreh bedahid va amoozesh va karhayeh kochak in fard ra beh in fard jadid bedahid keh ham nirooyeh jadid kar ra yad begirad va ham system amoozesh rah mioftad va in khood kar dar jameh bevojood miavarad.
                 
                Mamoolan karfarmayan moshkeleshan ra ba esstekhdam kontrakter ha va sherkathayeh CONSULTANT moshavereh i hal mikonand keh gheyr az karmandan mamooli in afrad ra esstekhdam mikonand choon ghanoon kontraktori ha ba karmand mamooli fargh mikonad va kami feshar beh kontraktor ha mishe avard. Mamoolan ham afrad bahoosh va ghavi baad az chand sal tajroobeh beh in sherkathayeh moshavereh i miravand choon hoghogh bishtari migirand vali khoob kareshan ham momken asst sakht tar bashad. Baad keh mossen shodand digar kheyli hal kar kardan nadarand va energy nadarand beh karmand mamooli tabdil mishavand keh oon mogheh ham kheyli azeshoon kari nemishe keshid bishtar halat tajroobeh i azeshan dar sherkat esstefaadeh mishavad.
                 
                Albateh in halat Soed keh yek kehsvar Socialissti asst va in sandika ha kheyli ghavi hasstand choon salian ziad barayeh hoghogh karmandan jangideh and. Nemooneh Fransseh kami beh halat va system ma dar Iran nazdik tar asst choon az nazar jamiat va bikari manand Iran asst, ghavanin ham messl Iran. Faghat oonja CGT va sandikashoon kami ghavi asst, keh hatman dideh id dar akhbar television har sal mibinid massalan parassdar ha rikhteh and to khiaban etessab ya tazahoorat barayeh ezafeh hoghogh, ya sal digar keshavarzan jonob fransseh ba teraktoor mirizand to khiaban va goojeh ha ra mirizand to khiaban barayeh mokhalefat ba vorood gojeh hayeh arzan az espania va gheyreh.
                 
                Oonja dar fransseh dalili keh shayad mojeb mishe afrad kar ra anjam dahand (albateh az nazar zaman daghigh messl keshvar hayeh shomal oropa nisstand va nazdik beh italiayi ha va ma irani ha hasstand az nazar vaght shenassi), dalil an mitooneh bikari bashad. yani agar ekhraj shavand digar gir avardan kar moshkel asst choon peyda kardan kar dar Fransseh messl gozashtan az haft khan roostam asst.
                 
                Dar Amrika jaryan fargh mikonad, choon CAPITALISM va sarmayeh dari keh dar ketab ha mikhondim kamel kamel asst. Yani hameh dasstanha Arzeh va taghaza asst keh ba pool moshakhass mishavad va tammam ghavanin door an door mizanad. Banbarin agar bazar toori bashad keh shoma karmand ziad natonid gir beyavarid manand sal hayeh 1999 - 2000 khoob shoma bayad naz karmand ra bekharid. Vali manand alan keh momken asst tedad ziad bikar ba oon tajroobeh toyeh khiaban bashand va afrad ham hazerand ba gheymat kam in kar ra dar Hend ya Chin anjam dahand khoob karfarmayan ehtiaj nisst ziad naz karmandan ra bekharand, taraf kheyli naz avard ba fardi az in afrad avaz mikonid. UNION va sandika ham keh dar in sherkat ha vojood nadarad banabarin ezafeh vaght va ejbar afrad beh kar ezafeh bassteh beh rahmat har sherkat va sharayet bazar darad.
                 
                Banabarin har koodam az in keshvar ha model khodeshan ra darand va Model Iran ra ham keh shoma farmoodid. Fekr konam hameh in model ha mitoonand yek makhrej moshtarak dashteh bashand keh dar hameh in model ha betavand kar konad va an ham barmigardad beh haman massaleh i keh shoma farmoodid dar payin keh afrad ghodrat ejrayi dashteh bashand keh in bahss ra dar payin edameh midim :
                 
                baresy neshon dadeh keh in elat asli emprator saze hastesh
                yani inkeh taraf baray inkeh bazdeh sherkat 2 barabar besheh karmandaro 2 barabar mikoneh vali bazdeh hamon mimoneh ya kami avaz misheh
                dar kol donya sar shodeh in masalaro hal konan va koli ham ghanon barash gozashtan
                vali ma dar iran be in rahaty nemitonim hal konim
                shayad elatesh kami dor az zehn basheh vali e elat sadeh hastesh
                fayol dar 14 asl khodesh migeh bayad moder ekhteyar dashteh basheh
                yani inkeh betoneh dastor bedeh va darstoresh ro ba komak padash va tanbeh be ejra dar beyareh
                 
                Mamoolan migoyad iradi keh vojood darad in asst keh PROJECT MANAGER (moodiriat projeh) royeh afrad ghodrati nadarad choon mamoolan shoma dar yek sherkat dar bazi model ha 2 nafar darid :
                 
                1. Line Manager (LM)
                2. Project Manager (PM)
                 
                LM hamoon raiss adam asst keh massalan 20 ta 50 nafar dar bakhshhayeh mokhtalef momken asst zir dasstash kar konand. Kar LM in asst keh massalan morakhassi adam ra taid konad, amoozesh va kelass hayi keh adam bayad beravad tayid konad, omoor esstekhdam va ekhraj va gheyreh. Payan sal ba karmand beshinad va FORM APPRAISAL ra donbal konad keh hadaf karmand barayeh sal digar chisst va ahdaf emssal be koja ressidand, che chizha khoob bood chi bad bood va gheyreh.
                 
                PM va project manager yek projeh ra rah miandazad va LM hayeh mokhtalef mikhahad keh RESOURCE va afrad dar ekhtiarash begozarand. Yek PM ba chandin LM dar rabeteh khahad bood keh massalan az yek LM keh massool baksh NETWORKING asst yek NT ADMIN begirad. Az bakhsh DATABASE yek DATABASE ADMIN begirad az bakhs barnameh rizi 5, 6 ta barnameh riz begirad va gheyreh.
                 
                Hala eshkal in asst keh agar dar projeh in afrad kar nakonand, va beh mogheh tahvil nadahand in PM kari nemitavand bekonad va ekhraj konad choon oon ghodrat ejrayi nadarad va LM asst keh hagh ekhraj va esstekhdam ra darad. In massaelh i asst keh PM ha midoonand va beh ravesh hayeh mokhtalef ba an DEAL mikonand.
                 
                Behtarin raveshi keh man dideh am keh enssani asst (choon oon bardeh hayi keh ahram selasseh messr ra ham sakhtand projeh anjam shood vali shayad ba kotak va shalagh bood), rahi keh didam kar kardeh ba pool beh soorat BONUS ya STOCK va eshterak dar sherkat boodeh. Mamoolan yek projeh 2 saleh ra beh massalan 8 ghessmat (INCREMENT) taghsim mikonand va az aval barayeh har INCREMENT sharayet ENTRY (vorod) va EXIT (Khoroj ) migozarand. Massalan migoyand Increment 2 ra zamani mitavanim shoro konim keh in UML document ha va design amadeh bashad, in soal ha javab dadeh shodeh bashad va in afrad esstekhdam shodeh va kar bar gharar bashad. Baad Increment 2 khoroji ash ghabool mishe vaghti keh massalan tedad ERROR va irad hayi keh goroh TEST peyda kardeh and bayad 80% irad ha bartaraf shodeh bashad keh mamoolan migoyand RR (Run Rate) va PR (Pass Rate) chand darssad bashad. Massalan agar shoma darid HTTP Stack ra dar projeh dorosst mikonid aval projeh goroh test miayad 100 ta TEST CASE maloom mikonand hala baad az INCREMENT 2 keh gharar asst HTTP STACK amadeh bashad keh baad shoma beh massalan BROWSER (mororgar) dar INCREMENT 3 beravid. Bayad goroh test tonessteh bashad 80 ta az test hashoon ra randeh bashand RUN RATE = 80%  bad migoyid az in test ha keh roondand 90 darssad bayad OK bashad va PASSED kardeh bashad => Pass Rate = 90% (PR)
                 
                Injoori ghashang midoonid projeh va SOFTWARE va barnameh shoma dar che hadi va QUALITY hasst.
                 
                Hala in aadad ra dar projeh esstefadeh mikonid va migoyid massalan agar INCREMENT 2 dar 15 March EXIT kard hameh afrad dar projeh 100% BONUS va padash ra migirand keh in padash massalan mitonand 6% az hoghogh salaneh shan bashad.
                 
                Har hafteh keh az in tarikh 15 March begozarad shoma massalan 10% az BONUS va padash anha kam mikonad keh hafteh baad mishe 90%, 80% va haminjoor kam mishavad.
                 
                Injoori hameh gorohi kar mikonand va say mikonand keh projeh beh moghe anjam shavad va beh ham komak mikonand. Va kassi nemigoyad in ghessmat moshkel man nisst va moshkel akbar ya hassan asst beh man rabti nadarad. Hameh ba ham hamkari mikonand. va khodeshoon ra yek team ehssass mikonand.
                 
                In tanha raveshi asst keh man didam moafagh boodeh, ravesh hayeh digar ra didam vali jaleb naboodeh.
                 
                Yek ravesh sherkathayi messl Samsung bekar mibarand in asst keh massalan 2 ta team rah miandazand keh yek kari ra mikonand va hodoodan yek telefon ra missazand vali ba ham chi hamkari nemikonand. Gorohi keh zoodtar tamam konad BONUS va padash ziadi migirad, va inha badjoori ba ham reghabat mikonand. Be ham komak ham nemikonand. Yek dali ham in asst keh raiss ha beh karmandan etemad nadarand agar yeki goft in kar nemishe va inghadar tool mikeshad khoob goroh digar khoob harf digar mizanad va momken asst begoyad keh areh mishe inkar ra kard. Yani kami dalil in asst keh TRUST va etemaad nisst. Messl forodgah ha keh didid dar bazi keshvar ha 3, 4 ta bazressi migozarand ? yeki az dalayelash in asst keh agar shooma raftid ba pool yeki az in bazressan ra kharidid baghieh ra momken asst moshkel dashteh bashid bekharid. Hala Samsung ham shayad yeki az dalayelash in bashad.
                 
                Vali ma fekr mikonim yek projeh ra mamooli bekhayim beroonim va TRUST va etemaad bashad ya inkeh agar nisst mishavad ba BONUS va padash halat TEAM WORKING ra bevojood avard.
                Baad bar mikhorim hala beh in jaryan keh dar bazi keshvar ha va CULTURE (farhang ha) pool mohem nisst. Massalan shooma beh oon Soofi dar Hend keh dar beyaban migardad va hal mikonad berid harchi pool bedahid, migoyad "Booooroooo baaabaaaaa " ya had akssar az an barayeh sokhtan va garm kardan khood esstefadeh khahad kard. Garche soofi va darvish ham soofi hayeh ghadimi, sofiayeh jadid hend ham yeki dootashoon man didam poolaki shodand va az Touristha pool migirand.
                 
                Beh har hal ma bayad farz ra bar in begirim keh afradi dar in karhayeh tekniki va SOFTWARE Development hasstand bedin soorat nisstand. Baad bayad yek system dorosst kard keh moshkeli shoma goftid dar Iran ba chek bi mohal va gheyreh hal kard keh an ideh barayeh sherkat asst keh dar ghessmat zir mikhanim.
                 
                Shodeh messl in barnameh hayeh televisioni keh migoyand cheshm adam khassteh nashe hey ghat mikonand agahi migozarand. Man ham hey mozo ra ghat mikonam miram beh neveshteh hayeh shoma, dar zemn yek chayi mikhoram bar migardam.
                 
                Ba ma bashid hich ja naravid, kanal ra ham avaz nakonid .......................
                 
                 
                 
                vali ma ino dar iran aslan nadareh
                key migeh dar iran hameh donbal kar hastan
                key megeh dar iran mohandesa be kar hastan
                kasy keh kar anadareh mireh har kare mikoneh
                dar hali keh dar iran afrad raze be kar kardan nistan
                 
                age shoma e projeh be kase beden va on dar zamanesh anjam nadeh chikar mitonin bokonin?
                hoghogh nemiden
                khob naden ,, vaghan fekr mikonin farghi mikoneh??????
                na aslan
                chon ma dar iran aslan arzeshi baray pol ghael nistim
                albateh beshtar afrad besyar sharef hastan va har man ba afrad bad ghol hastesh va khaesh mikonam irani hay khosh gol narahat nashan
                 
                moshkel asle dar iran in hastesh keh moder ghodrat tanbeh nadareh chon age bekhad kare koneh fard khaty zerr hameh chiz mizeneh
                dashtan gharardad va check va ... hameh alanki hastesh
                e gharar dad faghat e safeh kaghaz hastesh keh be khater kami neveshteh rosh batel shodeh va age bekhad kasy eghdami koneh bayad salha donbal on bereh shayad javabi begereh
                dar keshvare keh check bargashty hich etebary nadareh vaghan e gharar dad mani dareh?
                 
                dar har hal mozoy bahs zaman ande projeh hastesh
                dar iran bayad moder hamesheh chand hafteh zodtar az zaman payan karo takmil koeh va chand nafar ro to ab namak negar dareh keh age kasy bad gholi kard az ona estefadeh koneh
                 
                Dar projeh hayeh tekniki va Software mamoolan PM LAG va FLOAD time migozarad keh agar jayi iradi bood ya kassi marizi chizi az an vaght ezafi esstefadeh shavad keh mamoolan CRITICAL PATH yani az noghteh A beh B dar projeh keh bebinand zaman takhir nemitooneh dashteh bashad ra peyda mikonand. Massalan dar projeh aval dorosst kardan HTTP STACK (2 mah) baad BROWSER (2 mah) baad XML PARSER (2 mah) 3 kar mokhtalef keh yeki baad az digari baayad dorosst shavad va takhir dar har kodam takhir dar kool projeh bevojood miavarad pass in CRITICAL PATH asst va bayad har vaght takhir bood az jahayeh digar afrad beh komak in goroh fresstad. Vali massalan agar CLOCK saat dar telefon keh 2 mah vaght migirad kassi takhir dasht hanooz okay asst choon shoma 4 mah FLOAD barayeh an darid keh mitavanid az an esstefadeh konid choon CLOCK sari amadeh shavad vali BROWSER amadeh nabashad projeh tammam nashoodeh va shooma telefon ra nemitoonid beforshid choon moshtari az shoma hatman BROWSER ra mikhahad.
                 
                In dar karhayeh SOFTWARE asst vali dar karhayeh fiziki hamoon jaryan dar ab namak khabandan bayad esstefadeh shavad keh massalan dar kar restaurant ya foroshgah, ya ranandeh otoboss va gheyreh agar yeki mariz shood nayoomad khoob shoma sari bayad fard digar ra zang bezanid beyayad. Keh jatoon khali man khoodam joozv oon to ab namak khabideh ha boodam, baad nisst. Dar dooran daneshjooyi dar Soed kenar darss keh kar mikardim dar ashbazkhooneh bimaresstan, dorosst kardan salad va gheyreh keh khyeli khoob bood agar kassi nemiamad va shanbeh yek shanbeh ha ya tatilat rassmi beh ma zang mizadand miraftim va double ya souble hessab mishood. 8 saat kar 16 saat hoghogh midadand. Tazeh baad az saat 7 shab keh mamoolan zarfshoori ba dasstgahha va ghablemeh ha bood agar kassi mibmand double bood. Keh albateh heykal man ra mididand mara migozashtand barayeh shoostan oon ghablemeh ha keh kheyli sakht bood digeh miamadid khoneh mioftadid khab miraftid. Vali khobish in bood keh double va souble bood khoob bejayeh 5 rooz kar barayeh daneshjooyan khoob bood yek shanbeh yek shanbeh i kar mikardand va pooli dar miavardand. Banabarin in dar namak khabandan barayeh kar hayeh fiziki mishavad anjam dad vali Mohandessin va motekhassessin keh gheymateshan bala asst va saati CHARGE mishavad nemishe dar namak khaband.
                 
                Rassti yek kari keh ma bayad bekonim idar Iran n asst keh daneshjooyan ma hengam darss karhayeh fiziki ziad bekonand keh badaneshan beh kar adat konad va sakhti keshideh bashand keh baadan ham ghadr darssi ra keh khandand midanand va ham be kassani keh karhayeh fiziki mikonand ehteram khassi ghael mibashand. Beh toor kol kar kardan massaleh mamooli dar miayad manand kheyli keshvar hayeh shomal oropa va hameh nemikhahand posht miz neshin bashand keh hamoon moshkelati keh shoma goftid beh vojood miayad.
                 
                omid varam roze bereseh keh dar iran ham hameh be fekr zaman bashan va age mohandesy bad gholi kard bedoneh hameh jay khabar dar mishan va behesh kar nemidan,, baray hamin kamtar bad gholi koneh
                mazerat mikham sareton ro dard avordam
                rasty in asami va mataleb baray ketab aghay rezayy ( nazareh hay sazmani va moderayat ) hastesh keh majbor shodam baray yad giri modereyat bekhodanam
                In jaryani keh goftid : "va age mohandesy bad gholi kard bedoneh hameh jay khabar dar mishan va behesh kar nemidan", in hamani asst keh goftam tir zadid to khal, va ideh barayeh projeh va sherkati dar iran.
                 
                Choon man beh in fekr kardam va goftam makhraj moshtarak tammam in keshvar ha chisst keh in kar mikonad dar oropa va asia va amrika ? Massaleh in asst keh afrad tarssi az chizi darand keh oon kar ra anjam midahand va ehtemalan in tarss dar Iran vojood nadarad.
                 
                Dar Kore va Japon mamoolan dar sath sherkat ha sandikayeh sherkat ha asst keh ba ham hasstand agar shoma ra nafy konand digar hichkass ba shoma gharardad nemibandad banabarin sherkat shoma say mikonad moratab bashad va beh moghe massael ra tahvil dahad.
                 
                Baryaeh massael shakhssi va Sherkatha, dar Soed keh goftim az karmandan moshkel mitonid kar bekhahid choon ekhrajeshan ham moshkel asst va shoma az sherkathayeh kontrakter esstefadeh mikonid va in sherkatha barayeh sabegheh khodeshan bayad beh mogheh tahvil dahand.
                 
                Dar sath shakssi goftid dar Iran kassi az nagaraften pool baki nadarad ya chek bimohal va gheyreh. Banabarin rah hal dorosst kardan 2 sherkat dar sath kehsvar asst :
                 
                1. Credit Report
                2. Money Collector
                 
                Dovomi in asst keh agar shoma az kassi talabi darid dar gharardad va gheyreh in sherkat ha donbal kar ra migirand va ba vakil ha va ghofl kardan hoghogh va daramad taraf eghdam mikonand. keh pool vakil hashoon ra ham beh meghdar an gharz ezafeh mikonand keh az taraf begirand.
                 
                Hala sherkat aval jaleb asst keh ehtemalan Iran ehtiaj darad keh ideh khoobi asst agar kassi az shoma an ra rah beyandazid va ya gorohi eghdam konid.
                 
                Dar Soed massalan mardoom tarss az in darand keh agar yek ghabzi ra nadahand essmeshan miravad beh KRONOFOGDEN va in dar DATABASE anha ta chand sal mimanad va parvandeh shan kharab mishavad va har kar bekhahand bekonand mohskel khahand dasht. Keh albateh oonja har kass ba yek 10 shomareh shenakhteh mishavad va hameh parvandeh ha ba oon 10 shomareh moshakhass mishavad. Keh Iran fekr konam ba ID CARD keh shoro shodeh in ghadam aval bardashteh shoodeh va kar ra rahat kardeh.
                 
                Hala ghessmat baad keh shoma mitavanid aval ejazeh ghanooni begirid va baad shoro konid baz kardan in sherkat hayeh CREDIT REPORT asst.
                 
                Massalan dar Amrika salha asst keh 3 ta sherkat zir vojood darand :
                 
                 
                Keh mitavnid dar google.com ya dar link zir nemooneh CREDIT REPORT yek nafar ra bebinid:
                 
                Nemooneh moshakeshat yek nafar dar in sazeman ha:
                 
                Shoma agar massalan ghabz barghetan ra dir dadid ya beh gharardad malitan ba kassi raayat nakardid va gheyreh in sherkathayeh mootabar manand BANK ha va sherkat hayeh bimeh INSURANCE va gheyrhe in REPORT ra barayeh in sherkat ha mahaneh mifresstand va inha dar DATABASE khood zabt mikonand. Hala shoma massalan mikhayid yek mashin bekharid va vam begirid, ya khoneh bekharid va vam begirid ya yek khoneh ejareh konid va gheyreh. Avalin kari keh mikonand CREDIT REPORT shoma ra az yeki az in sherkat ha mikhahand. Agar massael mossbat dar mored shoma nabashad khaneh ra ejareh nemidahand ya beh gheymat kheyli baala choon shoma risky hasstid. Ya vam ba bahreyeh bala choon shoma riski hasstid.
                 
                Banabarin dar sat jame eh hameh mitarssand parvandeh shan kharab shavad va movazeb hasstand. Sherkat ha ham keh agar parvandeh i dar dadgah dashteh bashand va gheyreh sabt mishavad va shoma massalan yek kontraktor mikhahid begirid aval moshakhessatash ra check mikonid.
                 
                In sherkatha ham pooleshan ra az har REPORT keh midahand massalan $60 ya $30 bassteh cheghadar kamel bashad dar miavarad. 1 million dar rooz darkhasst beshe khodash mishe $30 million dar rooz. Keh inha karmandan ziadi dar tammam shahr ha esstekhdam darand. Ghadima ba system hayeh aghab oftadeh kar mikardand va rooz  beh rooz pishrafteh tar mishavand keh alan az tarigh WEB ham mitonid taghaza konid.
                 
                Hala shoma gorohi dar Iran kari mitoonid bekonid nemooneh in sherkat ra ejazeh ghanooni gerefteh bezanid. Faghat yek eshkal dar Iran vojood darad keh taraf dar moredesh in sherkat baad neveshteh bashid momken asst dosstashoo jam konad berizand shab sherkatetoon ra berizand beh ham va DATABASE va SERVER etan kharab konand. Mamoolan in sherkat ha amniat ziadi darand va dar ghessmathayeh makhsoss va mohkam va karmandan ham raz dar va ghassam khordeh keh haye dar mored parvandeh afrad ba digaran harf nazanand va gheyreh.
                 
                Hala shoma agar ejazeh ghanoni begirid mitonid gheyr az mohkam kari hayeh bala massalan dar 3 ghessmat yeki dar Tehran, yeki dar Mashhad yeki dar Tabriz keh alan bache ha faal darim yek DATABASE, Oracle ya ba SQL shoro konid bessazid va har shab SYNCHRONIZE konid keh agar rikhtand dosstan kassi dar Tehran kamputer ra kharab kardand ya doozdidand dar Mashahd va Tabriz kopi az an bashad. Albateh in dar avayel asst baadan keh karetan begirad digar mitavanid herfeh i tar eghdam konid va negahban va gheyreh.
                 
                Vali avayel mitoonid WEB dorosst konid va beh Bank ha, sherkat hayeh Bimeh, Bongah hayeh moamelati begoyid keh mitavanand tarikhche eghtessadi (bayad faghat eghtesadi bashad, janayi va gheyreh marboot beh dadgah ha mibashad) va inkeh afrad khosh hessab boodeh and ya nah ra az shoma bekhahand va beh shoma bedahand. Avayel mitonid in REPORT ra arzan ya majani dar ekhtiar begozarid ta in system bevojood beyayad va in farhang ra bessazid.
                 
                Vaghti in farhang saktheh shood va system rah oftad messl kheyli keshvar hayeh digar, afrad dar projeh ha va ravabet sherkat ha gharardad ha ra raayat mikonand va yeki az massael an vaght shenassi asst bevojood miayad.
                 
                Kheyli az in keshvar ha in massael ra rooz aval nadashtand va kam kam ghadam beh ghadam sakhtand, shoma ham mitoonid ghadam beh ghadam eghdam konid va bessazid Keh nassl hayeh ayandeh niz mamnoonetan khahand bood.
                 
                ,,
                rasty agha rosso
                man ghablan ela amadegim ro kardam baray har goneh komaki age kare basheh dar khedmatam
                age mibinin javab bazy az nameh ha ro ham der der midem be khater sangin bodan matalebi hast keh shoma migin va ma hameh dost darem dar har kary keh az dastemon bar miyad komak konin
                ghablan rezomeh mano deden, khodeton age kare bod keh betonam komak konam befarmaeed khoshal misham
                e pishnehad ham baray kara daram
                 
                Resume (CV) etan ra agar barayeh man fresstadid naressid (Word format ? ).
                Vali etelaat hodoodi dar nameh ghabli tan dasstam amad keh fekr mikonam keh kanal khoobi bashid barayeh dasstressi beh motekhassessin. Mikham barayeh bacheh hayi keh elam alagheh kardeh and kharej az in goroh email bedam, keh mozahem shoma ham misham.
                age dost dashteh bashin va inkeh hamdegaro beshtar beshnasem e chat room gharar bezarem va e sa'at khasy az roz keh hameh dor ham jam shim
                omid varam chenin zamani jr besheh
                 
                Vallah oon avayel chandin nafar goftand berim CHAT keh goftim dar chat yahoo (marboot beh hamin goroh) har shab saat 8 ta 9 shab dar har keshvari hasstim berim, hata yek chat site yeki az bache (pirooz) ha keh dar Japon hasst dar ekhtiar gozasht keh yahoo man chand bar raftam kassi nabood. Oon dar japon ham raftim 3, 4 nafar yek bar omadim. Vali fekr konam 2, 3 ta az bache ha ba ham beh soorat jodaganeh tammass darand. Hala agar kar gorohi i chizi shoro konim shayad dobareh mozoh CHAT ra matrah konim bebinim chi mishe.
                 
                 
                ba tshakor az shoma va tamam dostani keh komak mikonan
                be omid dedar
                Sohrab

                amin mahmudian <amin_mahmudian@...> wrote:
                salam be hame,

                man daneshjoo hastam va hanooz projeh rasmi baray jayi
                nadashtam, vali harfay BOOS bram kheyli jaleb bood
                chand ta nokte be nazaram resid :
                dar mored kelas va daneshgah goftid,man alan ke vagt
                emtehan hast fekr mikonam mibinam agar in ravesh ro
                ejra mikardam kheyli baram khob bood,vali agar man ye
                rozi ostade ye jayi shodam hatman in ravesho entekhab
                mikonam,ham baray khodam rahattare ham baray daneshjo
                ha,masalan ma vasat term yek dafe ostad miad mige
                hafte dige ya do hafte dige emtehane,hala ma onrooz
                emtehan dashte bashim ya harchi.

                ye rooz chand sale pish ke aghay Khatami reis
                jomhoor,rafte bood USA baray sokhanrani dar UN,ke
                hamoon vaght baray IRANi ha dar USA ham sokhanrani
                dasht,goft mohajerat yeki az rahhay goftegoy
                tamadonhast, man ba khodam goftam baray ma ke dakhel
                hastm chetoor mitone mofid bashe,behar hal goftegoo do
                tarafe ast,ba in sohbat hay agay Rosso hala
                mifahmam,man fekr mikonam ma be onvam gheshr tahsil
                karde bayad baray pishraft keshvaremoon bishtar va
                behtar kar konim,chon be har hal ma az sarmaie hay in
                keshvar be inja residim va masoliat darim,man yek
                shoar baray khodam daram ke hamishe behesh amal
                mikonam ke : AGE AZ CHIZI NARAHATI GHOR NAZAN AVAZAESH
                KON.shayad kheyli chiza ro nashe alan avaz kard,vali
                mesl parvaz mimone,alan age dar mored behtarin
                havapeyma ha ham bekhan sohbat konand aval filme onai
                ro neshon midan ke ba bali ke ba par dorost karde mi
                khast bepare.ma ye ostad dashtim baray yeki az
                darsamoon dar bare vejdan mohandesi sohbat mikard mesl
                hamin vaght shenasi,khodesh migoft ye projeh gereftam
                ta tarikh 2 hafte dige hanooz shoro nakardam.manzoram
                ine ke age chizi garare avaz beshe khodemoon bayad
                avazesh konim hala shayad 30-40 sal tool bekeshe vali
                sale 1410 masalan dige in moshke vojod nadare.
                merci,mibakhshid ziad neveshtam
                Amin Mahmudian 

                --- Iranian Symbian <iranian_symbian@...> wrote:

                > Ba Salam,

                > Ba Hamid yeki az dosstan faal aziz, mozoh vaght
                > shenassi va daghigh boodan dar massael roozaneh dar
                > email mored bahss bood.

                > Ba Sohrab aziz yeki digar az dosstan aziz dar in
                > goroh dar mored beh mogheh tahvil dadan projeh dar
                > yek email mored bahss bood keh ishan migoftand keh
                > dar chand projeh keh barayeh yek sherkati dar kharej
                > az Iran anjam dadand tajroobeh khobi nadashtand va
                > jaryan beh daghighe 90 va penalty keshideh shood.

                > Gooftam shayad behtar bashad bahss ra beh goroh va
                > omomi bekeshim bebinim tajroobeh digar dosstan chi
                > boodeh ? Aya shoma halati ra soragh darid dar Iran
                > ya kharej Iran keh projeh beh mogheh va tarikhi keh
                > gofteh shoodeh anjam shoodeh ? Agar areh, dalayel
                > moafaghiat an beh nazar shooam chi boodeh ? Agar
                > nah, dalayel shekasst ? Beh nazar shooma chekar
                > bayad kard keh yek projeh dar har farhangi beh
                > mogheh tahvil dadeh shavad ? Mitonid dar inja
                > nazaretan ra begoyid ya khaterat khoob ya bad dar in
                > mored ra benevissid.

                > Ghabl az shoma agar man az tajaroob khodam begoyam,
                > tajaroobi keh daram dar projeh hayeh mokhtalef dar
                > keshvar hayeh mokhtalef va ba farhang hayeh
                > mokhtalef boodeh. Fekr mikonam in tanha ma Irani ha
                > nisstim ba zaman moshkel darim, hamangooneh keh
                > goftam bisthar afradi keh az Khavar mianeh va
                > manategh atraf didam moshkel darand. Baad dar Oropa
                > harchi payin tar va jonob tar miravid in moshkel
                > bishtar mishavad. Massalan jonoob Europa keshvarhayi
                > messl Italia, Espania, Portugal, Jonob fransseh,
                > farhangi messl khodeman keh hala bebinim chi mishe
                > ziad mibinid. Kheyli shahrhayeh Espania keh mibinid
                > manand baazi az shahrhayeh khodeman zohr ha kareshan
                > ra tark mikonand miravand nahar mikhorand va
                > mikhaband (SIESTA) va 3, 4 dobareh miayand. Albateh
                > shayad in beh elaat garm boodan hava dar in keshvar
                > ha asst. Dar avaz shabha mibinid edareh momken asst
                > ta 6, 7 baz bashad va foroshghaha ta 12 shab manand
                > Bombay dar hend keh hava garm asst va jonb o joosh
                > khood ra darad.

                > Dar avaz dar shomal Oropa dar keshvar hayi messl
                > Alman, baad keshvarhayeh Eskandinavy manand Danmark,
                > Soed, Finland, Norwej (Norway) har chi bala tar miri
                > hava sardtar va monazami bishtar. Agar gharar bashad
                > saat 5:00 dar Bank ya foroshgah bassteh shavad haman
                > saat darb bassteh mishavad. Hala shoma harcheh
                > mikhayid royeh shishe bezanid keh agha, khanoom toro
                > khooda darb ra baz kon man faghat migkham felan chiz
                > ra sari bekharam beram. Gheyr momken asst dar ra baz
                > konand. Kheyli royeh shishe bezanid momken asst
                > polis beyayad va shomara bebarad.

                > Choon onha oon saat bayad darb ra bebandand, va baad
                > ghabz hara hessab konand va hessab rooz ra bebandand
                > va massalan otoboss saat 5:37 ra begirad beravad
                > khanash. Agar shoma 3 daghigeh moatelash konid
                > otoboss 5:37 daghigeh ra az dasst midahad.

                > Albateh doosti beh shokhi migoft in kehsvarhayeh
                > shomal oropa, barayeh in inghdar moratab shodand va
                > sar gharareshan daghigh 8:10 massalan miayand choon
                > otoboss hashoon agar dar jadval zamanbandi neveshteh
                > sobh saat 8:17 miayad baadi 8:23 baadi 8:37 va
                > gheyreh, agar nayayad taraf zemesstoon az sarma
                > oonja khoshkash mizanad va mimirad. Beh har hal har
                > dalili darad kheyli moratab va vaght shenass
                > hasstand va hamin massaleh ra shoma dar projeh ha
                > mibinid massalan projeh hayeh sherkat hayi manannd
                > Ericsson, Sony Ericsson va Nokia. Banbarin bayad
                > havassetan bashad projeh i ba in sherkat ha dar
                > ayandeh dashtid vaght shenassi barashoon kheyli
                > mohem asst, va agar kehsvar hayeh digar oropayi va
                > amrikayi ra dideh id inha digar 10 barabar anha
                > hasstand va in ra khoob asst dar zehnetan dashteh
                > bashid vaghti projeh ha ra anjam midahid.

                > Ma avayel keh Soed daneshgah ya kelass hayeh digar
                > miraftim, mididim rooz aval moalem ya osstad miayad
                > AGENDA va list tammam karha dar tool sal ra midahad
                > va migoyand che roozi che saati emtehan ha asst.
                > Baad bacheh hayeh soedi shoro mikonand taghvim hayeh
                > makhsoos az kif va jibeshan dar avardand va tarikha
                > ra nevesthan va bahss shoro mishe keh osstad mishe
                > massalan felan test ra felan rooz beh 2 rooz baad
                > montaghel konid choon midoonid oon rooz ghablesh
                > tatil asst va felan etefagh mioftad, bacheh hayeh
                > goroh ham felan barnameh ra darand va gheyreh.
                > Kholasseh hameh movafeghat mikardand va tarikh avaz
                > mishood.

                > Ya dar kelass hayeh khodemooni kochak tar mididi
                > felani migoft man dar oon hafteh (6 mah digar)
                > massooliat bache ha ra beh ohdeh daram va felan
                > massaleh saat 4:30 bayad beram agar kassi mokhalef
                > nisst in jaryan ra beh saat 3:45 enteghal dahim,
                > hameh negah mikardand beh taghvimashoon va migoftand
                > barayeh man OK asst kholasseh in vaghtha hamoon rooz
                > aval tanzim mishood.

                > Ma ham haj o baj oon vassat ba farhang Irani, 30
                > daghigeh keh hichi, 4, 5 saat keh hichi, emtehan ham
                > keh gharar dashtim hamoon shab akhar yek karish
                > bekonim keh. Inha chi migoyand ? Az koja midoonand 6
                > mah digar che khabar asst. Kholasseh baadan mididim
                > eh rasst goftand chand rooz ghabl az emtehan hamoon
                > jaryani keh oonha migoftand va oon tatilat felan
                > moshkel ra bevojood miavarad va kholasseh ta etefagh
                > nemiotfad nemifahmidim.

                > Albateh baad az chand sal didim khodemoon ham messl
                > oonha shoodim, az 3 mah ghabl emtehanat ra tanzim
                > kardeh va beh khondan mashghool. Mayi keh toyeh Iran
                > hamoon shab akhar maximum hafteh akhar kheyli
                > mikhondim. Albateh dar oon reshteh keh ma mikhandim
                > dar Soed nemidoonam jaryan ba daneshghah hayeh digar
                > keh khondeh boodam kheyli fargh mikard va kheyli
                > sakht bood va 5 ta darss ba ham mibayesst khond keh
                > bedoon in barnameh rizi va tanzim vaght asslan
                > nemishood pish raft va vahedi gozaroond. Va mamoolan
                > bishtar karmandan va mohandessin Ericsson Soed,
                > makhssoosan dar sath modiriat projeh ha messl inkeh
                > maghaleh i nevestheh bood az oon daneshghah biroon
                > miayand. Vali betoor kool mishe in moratabi ra dar
                > sath keshvar dar in keshvar hayeh Scandinaviayi
                > messl Soed (Ericsson) va Finland (Nokia) did.

                > Tazeh Finlandi ha gheyr az in monazami dar vaght az
                > Soedi ha poor kar tar hasstand va kheyli kar
                > mikonand. Dar zemn yek khassiati keh in keshvar ha
                > darand keh shoma dar sherkat hashoon ham mibinid
                > TRUST va etemaad ziad beh bala dassteshan va
                > hokoomat va gheyreh darand va khodeshan ra dar hameh
                > massael sharik midanand. Bar akss massalan Italiayi
                > ha keh migoyand massalan hokoomat va oon bala
                > CORRUPTED va fassed asst va dasst Mafia asst pass
                > man chera dorosst kar konam ? Har ja mishe yek joori
                > az kar momken asst bezanand va taghaloob konand.
                > Massalan migoyand bishtar sherkat ha dar Italia 2 ta
                > daftar hessabdari akhar sal darand yeki oon keh beh
                > doolat midahand va daramad ra kam neshoon midahand
                > yeki ankeh barayeh khodeshan negah midarand.

                > In massaleh TRUST dar yek projeh kheyli mohem asst
                > va inkeh afrad INVOLVED (khod ra jozi az projeh
                > danesstand) bashand. Beh onvan messal man dooreh
                > daneshjooyi jayi dar soed kar mikardam keh afrad
                > ziad az melliat haye mokhtalef donya bood. Az khavar
                > mianeh, asia, afrighayeh shomali (marakesh, tuness
                > va gheyreh). Mididi khareji ha say mikonand az zir
                > kar dar beravand ya beh har sorat yek kalaki toyeh
                > kar bezanand. Ya massalan agar raiss nabood sari 1
                > saat zood tar beravand khooneh. Az yek Soedi yek bar
                > didam baghieh darand miravand oon hamintoor kar
                > mikonad gooftam to nemiri ? Goft man keh hanooz 8
                > saat karam ra anjam nadadeh am nemitonam beravam.
                > Man barayeh 8 saat dar rooz hoghogh migiram bayad 8
                > saat kar konam. Maroo migi pish khodam goftam ajab
                > afradi inha hasstand, bikhood nisst ba in jamiat 9
                > millionishoon inghadar pishraft kardeh and va in
                > hameh teknology pishrafteh az jomleh ABB, Ericsson,
                > SAAB, VOLVO va gheyreh darand. Kashki ma Irani ha
                > ham yek zamani inghadar daghigh va
                >  moratab mishoodim.

                > Albateh adam bayad vagheh bin bashad man fekr
                > nemikonam ma hichvaght dar Iran messl in keshvar
                > hayeh scandinavia daghigh va moratab shavim va
                > etemaad beh bala dassti keh hatman ehtiaj nabashad
                > kassi bala sareman bashad ta kari ra anjam dahim.
                > Choon in khassiat ra dar keshvar hayeh digar ham
                > nemibinid. Messl Franssavi ha Italiayi ha keh tazeh
                > dar Oropa hasstand tazeh che beresseh beh digar
                > keshvarhayeh Asia va Amrikayeh shomali ya jonobi.

                > Dar projeh ha inja dar Amrika etefagh hayeh jalebi
                > mioftad zamani sherkathayi manand Ericsson ya Nokia
                > miayand inja va karmandashan afrad mokhtalef az
                > keshvar hayeh mokhtalef asst, choon dar Amrika afrad
                > az hameh keshvarhayeh donya dar Engineering
                > hasstand, az Asia gerefteh ta oropa va amrikayeh
                > shomali va amrikhayi jonobo. Har koodam farhanghayeh
                > khodeshan va tarif khood barayeh zaman. Modiriat in
                > gooneh projeh ha kheyli sakht asst va shoma
                > chizhayeh ziadi yad migirid. Ehtemalan yek projeh
                > dar Iran ya yek projeh dar Soed sadeh tar asst
                > randan choon bishtar afrad yek farhang darand va
                > shoma midanid ba oon farhang chegooneh barkhord
                > konid vali yek projeh keh chand farhangi asst kheyli
                > sakht va dar zemn jaleb asst dar CONFLICT
                > (ekhtelafat) va MISSUNDERSTANDING (dorosst
                > nafahmidan manzoor yek digar).

                > Choon ma enssan ha mamoolan fekr mikonim keh taraf
                > moghabeleman haman bardashti az kalameh i keh ma
                > bekar mibirim darad keh khodeman darim. Vali az koja
                > midanim
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                =====
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              • sohrab asadzadeh
                salam agha ma chakerem vali man e kami nashi hastam baray fingilish baray in kami bad minevesam bazam sharmandeh say khodam ro mikonam mamnon byeee ;) amin
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                  salam
                  agha ma chakerem
                  vali man e kami nashi hastam baray fingilish baray in kami bad minevesam
                  bazam sharmandeh say khodam ro mikonam
                  mamnon
                  byeee
                  ;)


                  amin mahmudian <amin_mahmudian@...> wrote:
                  Sohrab & Team aziz salam,

                  az inke nazarat va pishnahad ha toon ro dadid
                  mamnonam,man be onvan kasi ke mikhad bezodi vared in
                  bazar kar beshe(bazar IRAN),kheyli khoshhal misham dar
                  mored tajrobe ha va nazar hay shoma bishtar baray ma
                  sohbat konid,fekr konam baghie ham estefade konand
                  (albate fekr konam) bazam mamnoon.
                  *Note : faghat dar mored Type finglishi(!)lotfan
                  bishtar deghat konid ta ma rahat tar manzoretoon ro
                  befahmim.
                  ghorbane shoma
                  Amin Mahmudian
                  --- sohrab asadzadeh <sasadzadeh@...> wrote:

                  > salam bar hamegi makhsosan rosso aziz
                  > az inkeh be nameh man tavajoh karden va barash chand
                  > bar javab neveshtin mamnon
                  > rastesh man khili baray javad dadan be nameh shoma
                  > fekr kardam
                  > midonin ma dar iran moshkelatemon kami ba jahay
                  > degeh fargh dareh
                  > vali man mikham be sorat kami elmi bahash barkhord
                  > konam
                  > hamontory keh goftam man ghabla chanta projeh az
                  > kharej gerefteh bodam keh moteasefaneh dar zaman
                  > ejra mamolan be man bad gholi mishod va vaghty ro z
                  > akhar mishod man hamash bayad az in var be onvar
                  > shahr miraftam ta kar tamom besheh ya inkeh khodam e
                  > ghesmaty ro anjam midadam
                  > in keh e kare be daghegh 90 mimoneh masaleh iran
                  > nist va dar kol jahan vojod dareh
                  > dar ghanon parkinson migeh har projeh be andazeh
                  > zamanesh tol mikesheh
                  > yani age e projeh 2 mah kar dareh va shoma begin 2
                  > sal bazam toy 2 sal anjam misheh na to 2 mah
                  > baresy neshon dadeh keh in elat asli emprator saze
                  > hastesh
                  > yani inkeh taraf baray inkeh bazdeh sherkat 2
                  > barabar besheh karmandaro 2 barabar mikoneh vali
                  > bazdeh hamon mimoneh ya kami avaz misheh
                  > dar kol donya sar shodeh in masalaro hal konan va
                  > koli ham ghanon barash gozashtan
                  > vali ma dar iran be in rahaty nemitonim hal konim
                  > shayad elatesh kami dor az zehn basheh vali e elat
                  > sadeh hastesh
                  > fayol dar 14 asl khodesh migeh bayad moder ekhteyar
                  > dashteh basheh
                  > yani inkeh betoneh dastor bedeh va darstoresh ro ba
                  > komak padash va tanbeh be ejra dar beyareh
                  > vali ma ino dar iran aslan nadareh
                  > key migeh dar iran hameh donbal kar hastan
                  > key megeh dar iran mohandesa be kar hastan
                  > kasy keh kar anadareh mireh har kare mikoneh
                  > dar hali keh dar iran afrad raze be kar kardan
                  > nistan

                  > age shoma e projeh be kase beden va on dar zamanesh
                  > anjam nadeh chikar mitonin bokonin?
                  > hoghogh nemiden
                  > khob naden ,, vaghan fekr mikonin farghi
                  > mikoneh??????
                  > na aslan
                  > chon ma dar iran aslan arzeshi baray pol ghael
                  > nistim
                  > albateh beshtar afrad besyar sharef hastan va har
                  > man ba afrad bad ghol hastesh va khaesh mikonam
                  > irani hay khosh gol narahat nashan

                  > moshkel asle dar iran in hastesh keh moder ghodrat
                  > tanbeh nadareh chon age bekhad kare koneh fard khaty
                  > zerr hameh chiz mizeneh
                  > dashtan gharardad va check va ... hameh alanki
                  > hastesh
                  > e gharar dad faghat e safeh kaghaz hastesh keh be
                  > khater kami neveshteh rosh batel shodeh va age
                  > bekhad kasy eghdami koneh bayad salha donbal on
                  > bereh shayad javabi begereh
                  > dar keshvare keh check bargashty hich etebary
                  > nadareh vaghan e gharar dad mani dareh?

                  > dar har hal mozoy bahs zaman ande projeh hastesh
                  > dar iran bayad moder hamesheh chand hafteh zodtar az
                  > zaman payan karo takmil koeh va chand nafar ro to ab
                  > namak negar dareh keh age kasy bad gholi kard az ona
                  > estefadeh koneh

                  > omid varam roze bereseh keh dar iran ham hameh be
                  > fekr zaman bashan va age mohandesy bad gholi kard
                  > bedoneh hameh jay khabar dar mishan va behesh kar
                  > nemidan,, baray hamin kamtar bad gholi koneh
                  > mazerat mikham sareton ro dard avordam
                  > rasty in asami va mataleb baray ketab aghay rezayy (
                  > nazareh hay sazmani va moderayat ) hastesh keh
                  > majbor shodam baray yad giri modereyat bekhodanam

                  > ,,
                  > rasty agha rosso
                  > man ghablan ela amadegim ro kardam baray har goneh
                  > komaki age kare basheh dar khedmatam
                  > age mibinin javab bazy az nameh ha ro ham der der
                  > midem be khater sangin bodan matalebi hast keh shoma
                  > migin va ma hameh dost darem dar har kary keh az
                  > dastemon bar miyad komak konin
                  > ghablan rezomeh mano deden, khodeton age kare bod
                  > keh betonam komak konam befarmaeed khoshal misham
                  > e pishnehad ham baray kara daram
                  > age dost dashteh bashin va inkeh hamdegaro beshtar
                  > beshnasem e chat room gharar bezarem va e sa'at
                  > khasy az roz keh hameh dor ham jam shim
                  > omid varam chenin zamani jr besheh
                  > ba tshakor az shoma va tamam dostani keh komak
                  > mikonan
                  > be omid dedar
                  > Sohrab
                  >
                  > amin mahmudian <amin_mahmudian@...> wrote:
                  > salam be hame,
                  >
                  > man daneshjoo hastam va hanooz projeh rasmi baray
                  > jayi
                  > nadashtam, vali harfay BOOS bram kheyli jaleb bood
                  > chand ta nokte be nazaram resid :
                  > dar mored kelas va daneshgah goftid,man alan ke vagt
                  > emtehan hast fekr mikonam mibinam agar in ravesh ro
                  > ejra mikardam kheyli baram khob bood,vali agar man
                  > ye
                  > rozi ostade ye jayi shodam hatman in ravesho
                  > entekhab
                  > mikonam,ham baray khodam rahattare ham baray
                  > daneshjo
                  > ha,masalan ma vasat term yek dafe ostad miad mige
                  > hafte dige ya do hafte dige emtehane,hala ma onrooz
                  > emtehan dashte bashim ya harchi.
                  >
                  > ye rooz chand sale pish ke aghay Khatami reis
                  > jomhoor,rafte bood USA baray sokhanrani dar UN,ke
                  > hamoon vaght baray IRANi ha dar USA ham sokhanrani
                  > dasht,goft mohajerat yeki az rahhay goftegoy
                  > tamadonhast, man ba khodam goftam baray ma ke dakhel
                  > hastm chetoor mitone mofid bashe,behar hal goftegoo
                  > do
                  > tarafe ast,ba in sohbat hay agay Rosso hala
                  > mifahmam,man fekr mikonam ma be onvam gheshr tahsil
                  > karde bayad baray pishraft keshvaremoon bishtar va
                  > behtar kar konim,chon be har hal ma az sarmaie hay
                  > in
                  > keshvar be inja residim va masoliat darim,man yek
                  > shoar baray khodam daram ke hamishe behesh amal
                  > mikonam ke : AGE AZ CHIZI NARAHATI GHOR NAZAN
                  > AVAZAESH
                  > KON.shayad kheyli chiza ro nashe alan avaz kard,vali
                  > mesl parvaz mimone,alan age dar mored behtarin
                  > havapeyma ha ham bekhan sohbat konand aval filme
                  > onai
                  > ro neshon midan ke ba bali ke ba par dorost karde mi
                  > khast bepare.ma ye ostad dashtim baray yeki az
                  > darsamoon dar bare vejdan mohandesi sohbat mikard
                  > mesl
                  > hamin vaght shenasi,khodesh migoft ye projeh
                  > gereftam
                  > ta tarikh 2 hafte dige hanooz shoro
                  > nakardam.manzoram
                  > ine ke age chizi garare avaz beshe khodemoon bayad
                  > avazesh konim hala shayad 30-40 sal tool bekeshe
                  > vali
                  > sale 1410 masalan dige in moshke vojod nadare.
                  > merci,mibakhshid ziad neveshtam
                  > Amin Mahmudian 
                  >
                  > --- Iranian Symbian <iranian_symbian@...>
                  > wrote:
                  >
                  > > Ba Salam,
                  > > 
                  > > Ba Hamid yeki az dosstan faal aziz, mozoh vaght
                  > > shenassi va daghigh boodan dar massael roozaneh
                  > dar
                  > > email mored bahss bood.
                  > > 
                  > > Ba Sohrab aziz yeki digar az dosstan aziz dar in
                  > > goroh dar mored beh mogheh tahvil dadan projeh dar
                  > > yek email mored bahss bood keh ishan migoftand keh
                  > > dar chand projeh keh barayeh yek sherkati dar
                  > kharej
                  > > az Iran anjam dadand tajroobeh khobi nadashtand va
                  > > jaryan beh daghighe 90 va penalty keshideh shood.
                  > > 
                  > > Gooftam shayad behtar bashad bahss ra beh goroh va
                  > > omomi bekeshim bebinim tajroobeh digar dosstan chi
                  > > boodeh ? Aya shoma halati ra soragh darid dar Iran
                  > > ya kharej Iran keh projeh beh mogheh va tarikhi
                  > keh
                  > > gofteh shoodeh anjam shoodeh ? Agar areh, dalayel
                  > > moafaghiat an beh nazar shooam chi boodeh ? Agar
                  > > nah, dalayel shekasst ? Beh nazar shooma chekar
                  > > bayad kard keh yek projeh dar har farhangi beh
                  > > mogheh tahvil dadeh shavad ? Mitonid dar inja
                  > > nazaretan ra begoyid ya khaterat khoob ya bad dar
                  > in
                  > > mored ra benevissid.
                  > > 
                  > > Ghabl az shoma agar man az tajaroob khodam
                  > begoyam,
                  > > tajaroobi keh daram dar projeh hayeh mokhtalef dar
                  > > keshvar hayeh mokhtalef va ba farhang hayeh
                  > > mokhtalef boodeh. Fekr mikonam in tanha ma Irani
                  > ha
                  > > nisstim ba zaman moshkel darim, hamangooneh keh
                  > > goftam bisthar afradi keh az Khavar mianeh va
                  > > manategh atraf didam moshkel darand. Baad dar
                  > Oropa
                  > > harchi payin tar va jonob tar miravid in moshkel
                  > > bishtar mishavad. Massalan jonoob Europa
                  > keshvarhayi
                  > > messl Italia, Espania, Portugal, Jonob fransseh,
                  >
                  === message truncated ===


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                  Amin.M.M


                             
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                • sohrab asadzadeh
                  salam khobin man har kare kardam cv ro natonestam az tarigh group beferestam age misheh emaileton ro beden ta baraton beferestam email man sasadzadeh@yahoo.com
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                    salam

                    khobin

                    man har kare kardam cv ro natonestam az tarigh group beferestam age misheh emaileton ro beden ta baraton beferestam

                    email man sasadzadeh@... ast

                    mamnon

                    byeee

                     


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