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  • David Crockett Williams
    If they had killed Ira back then with all the supporters he had for his many causes and issues etc, it would have been apparent to anyone that this was to
    Message 1 of 12 , Jul 30 2:00 PM

      If “they” had killed Ira back then with all the supporters

      he had for his many causes and issues etc, it would have

      been apparent to anyone that this was to suppress the

      information he was puttin g out and “they” would have

      created a martyr in Ira that would be very bad to keep

      that information quiet after that.  They needed a way

      to discredit him and make him into a person nobody

      would believe tells the truth about anythin g so thereby

      his activism on various issues would be discredited.

      Ira told Stafford Beer not too lon g before this trouble

      started that he was afraid somethin g bad was g oin g

      to happen done by folks tryin g to shut him up and killin g

      him would not do the job.  That prediction came

      true with Holly Maddux’s murder and his arrai g nment

      under threat of the death penalty when the prosecution

      withheld exculpatory evidence and his own attorney

      advised him to flee the country because he would not

      get a fair trial, the attorney who occasionally sent him

      money while he was under g round for years and the same

      attorney who represented Ira in the absentia trial and

      the same attorney who resi g ned from the case after

      extradition and then as a witness at the kan g aroo court

      trial after the newspaper’s tomato throwin g contest,

      his then ex-attorney was called as a witness and lied

      to protect himself and did not tell these reasons why

      Ira fled the country ori g inally, makin g it then appear

      he fled because he was g uilty.  He could be g uilty

      as far as I know but it is very clear to me that he

      could well have been framed and Holly killed to

      discredit him and what he was workin g to reveal

      to the public which include various issues that recent

      posts to Jack Sarfatti’s wider lists have turned up many

      new in-depth studies of additional powerful reasons --

      not only to shut Ira up, but to send a warnin g to others

      involved, includin g folks like Sarfatti, et al, ie, the mind

      control pa g es with all the Aviary and Jack and Ira

      listed showin g lar g e network of victims tryin g to

      sort out whodunit, the article about the history

      of covert use of dru g s per Puharich seekin g one

      that would develop psychic abilities where they

      found everyone could do remote viewin g and the

      government is afraid that if folks knew it then they

      mi g ht tap into secrets so they want to confuse folks

      out of believin g in their own “psychic” abilities, the

      article by Gary Vesperman on the so-called “free

      ener g y” technolo g ies suppressions mentionin g Ira’s case

      as well as others where his 4th edition is up to 50pp

      and a body count of 23 at last report over suppression

      of these new ener g y technolo g ies per Tesla et al

      that Ira was promotin g , and also the articles about

      the pain ray and death ray psychotronic weapons

      pioneered in home made little black box by

      Puharich and Einhorn in the 1970’s, let alone the

      “hi g h stran g eness” and scary stuff around what

      Jack called the “skinwalker” incidents.  These

      have all been documented in posts to this list

      now in public archives at

      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ira-Einhorn

       

       

       


      From: Ira-Einhorn@yahoogroups.com

      On Behalf Of pantheon
      Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 12:35 PM
      To: ' g Convict Ira Einhorn (Philadelphia Unicorn Killer Hippie Guru) Case Information Archives List'; David Crockett Williams; sarfatti@...
      Subject: Re: I still think Ira was framed RE: [Ira-Einhorn] FW: Love notes to Jack and Howard re: Ira Einhorn

       

      This is a naive  reasonin g . As warnin g , it would be better to put a bullet to Ira's head and chop him to pieces, than not bash his g irlfriend, then make g ymnastics with the trunk back and for, and risk him talkin g about his work in a meantime, or accuse some people.  Besides, Holly was NOT his wife, or a child, so why would he be punished by a death of some broad?? Accordin g to what   I read, he even did not g ive a damn too much about Holly, and she has already left him!

      Anna

       

       

    • pantheon
      Your argument is convincing, however Pucharich was more important figure, yet nothing had happened to him. ..What secrets exactly Ira knew, that everyone else
      Message 2 of 12 , Jul 30 6:18 PM
        Your argument is convincing, however Pucharich was more important figure, yet nothing had happened to him. ..What secrets exactly Ira knew, that everyone else didn't ?
        Remote viewing on LSD? Big deal!   In 70' this was a common knowledge on Ashbury and Haight.  OTO initiates were doing it weekly  as a magical routine. 
        Not that they  all were successful. But this is a matter of a special talent.
        And when you have it, you do not need LSD to help you.
        Anna
         
         
         
         
        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 2:00 PM
        Subject: to discredit him RE: I still think Ira was framed RE: [Ira-Einhorn]

        If “they” had killed Ira back then with all the supporters

        he had for his many causes and issues etc, it would have

        been apparent to anyone that this was to suppress the

        information he was puttin g out and “they” would have

        created a martyr in Ira that would be very bad to keep

        that information quiet after that.  They needed a way

        to discredit him and make him into a person nobody

        would believe tells the truth about anythin g so thereby

        his activism on various issues would be discredited.

        Ira told Stafford Beer not too lon g before this trouble

        started that he was afraid somethin g bad was g oin g

        to happen done by folks tryin g to shut him up and killin g

        him would not do the job.  That prediction came

        true with Holly Maddux’s murder and his arrai g nment

        under threat of the death penalty when the prosecution

        withheld exculpatory evidence and his own attorney

        advised him to flee the country because he would not

        get a fair trial, the attorney who occasionally sent him

        money while he was under g round for years and the same

        attorney who represented Ira in the absentia trial and

        the same attorney who resi g ned from the case after

        extradition and then as a witness at the kan g aroo court

        trial after the newspaper’s tomato throwin g contest,

        his then ex-attorney was called as a witness and lied

        to protect himself and did not tell these reasons why

        Ira fled the country ori g inally, makin g it then appear

        he fled because he was g uilty.  He could be g uilty

        as far as I know but it is very clear to me that he

        could well have been framed and Holly killed to

        discredit him and what he was workin g to reveal

        to the public which include various issues that recent

        posts to Jack Sarfatti’s wider lists have turned up many

        new in-depth studies of additional powerful reasons --

        not only to shut Ira up, but to send a warnin g to others

        involved, includin g folks like Sarfatti, et al, ie, the mind

        control pa g es with all the Aviary and Jack and Ira

        listed showin g lar g e network of victims tryin g to

        sort out whodunit, the article about the history

        of covert use of dru g s per Puharich seekin g one

        that would develop psychic abilities where they

        found everyone could do remote viewin g and the

        government is afraid that if folks knew it then they

        mi g ht tap into secrets so they want to confuse folks

        out of believin g in their own “psychic” abilities, the

        article by Gary Vesperman on the so-called “free

        ener g y” technolo g ies suppressions mentionin g Ira’s case

        as well as others where his 4th edition is up to 50pp

        and a body count of 23 at last report over suppression

        of these new ener g y technolo g ies per Tesla et al

        that Ira was promotin g , and also the articles about

        the pain ray and death ray psychotronic weapons

        pioneered in home made little black box by

        Puharich and Einhorn in the 1970’s, let alone the

        “hi g h stran g eness” and scary stuff around what

        Jack called the “skinwalker” incidents.  These

        have all been documented in posts to this list

        now in public archives at

        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ira-Einhorn

         

         

         


        From: Ira-Einhorn@yahoogroups.com

        On Behalf Of pantheon
        Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 12:35 PM
        To: ' g Convict Ira Einhorn (Philadelphia Unicorn Killer Hippie Guru) Case Information Archives List'; David Crockett Williams; sarfatti@...
        Subject: Re: I still think Ira was framed RE: [Ira-Einhorn] FW: Love notes to Jack and Howard re: Ira Einhorn

         

        This is a naive  reasonin g . As warnin g , it would be better to put a bullet to Ira's head and chop him to pieces, than not bash his g irlfriend, then make g ymnastics with the trunk back and for, and risk him talkin g about his work in a meantime, or accuse some people.  Besides, Holly was NOT his wife, or a child, so why would he be punished by a death of some broad?? Accordin g to what   I read, he even did not g ive a damn too much about Holly, and she has already left him!

        Anna

         

         

      • Jack Sarfatti
        1. Ira pissed off the Mafia Mayor of Philly BIG TIME and his corrupt cops. 2. Ira was friendly with Shah of Iran s family - this was when Shah was deposed mind
        Message 3 of 12 , Jul 30 6:30 PM
          1. Ira pissed off the Mafia Mayor of Philly BIG TIME and his corrupt cops.

          2. Ira was friendly with Shah of Iran's family - this was when Shah was deposed mind you.

          3. Ira was in a deep cover op in Serbian Beograd re: Tesla weapons with Tom Bearden.

          Let's start there.

          On Jul 30, 2006, at 6:18 PM, pantheon wrote:

          Your argument is convincing, however Pucharich was more important figure, yet nothing had happened to him. ..What secrets exactly Ira knew, that everyone else didn't ?
          Remote viewing on LSD? Big deal!   In 70' this was a common knowledge on Ashbury and Haight.  OTO initiates were doing it weekly  as a magical routine. 
          Not that they  all were successful. But this is a matter of a special talent.
          And when you have it, you do not need LSD to help you.
          Anna
           
           
           
           
          ----- Original Message -----
          Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 2:00 PM
          Subject: to discredit him RE: I still think Ira was framed RE: [Ira-Einhorn]

          If “they” had killed Ira back then with all the supporters

          he had for his many causes and issues etc, it would have

          been apparent to anyone that this was to suppress the

          information he was putting out and “they” would have

          created a martyr in Ira that would be very bad to keep

          that information quiet after that.  They needed a way

          to discredit him and make him into a person nobody

          would believe tells the truth about anything so thereby

          his activism on various issues would be discredited.

          Ira told Stafford Beer not too long before this trouble

          started that he was afraid something bad was going

          to happen done by folks trying to shut him up and killing

          him would not do the job.  That prediction came

          true with Holly Maddux’s murder and his arraignment

          under threat of the death penalty when the prosecution

          withheld exculpatory evidence and his own attorney

          advised him to flee the country because he would not

          get a fair trial, the attorney who occasionally sent him

          money while he was underground for years and the same

          attorney who represented Ira in the absentia trial and

          the same attorney who resigned from the case after

          extradition and then as a witness at the kangaroo court

          trial after the newspaper’s tomato throwing contest,

          his then ex-attorney was called as a witness and lied

          to protect himself and did not tell these reasons why

          Ira fled the country originally, making it then appear

          he fled because he was guilty.  He could be guilty

          as far as I know but it is very clear to me that he

          could well have been framed and Holly killed to

          discredit him and what he was working to reveal

          to the public which include various issues that recent

          posts to Jack Sarfatti’s wider lists have turned up many

          new in-depth studies of additional powerful reasons --

          not only to shut Ira up, but to send a warning to others

          involved, including folks like Sarfatti, et al, ie, the mind

          control pages with all the Aviary and Jack and Ira

          listed showing large network of victims trying to

          sort out whodunit, the article about the history

          of covert use of drugs per Puharich seeking one

          that would develop psychic abilities where they

          found everyone could do remote viewing and the

          government is afraid that if folks knew it then they

          might tap into secrets so they want to confuse folks

          out of believing in their own “psychic” abilities, the

          article by Gary Vesperman on the so-called “free

          energy” technologies suppressions mentioning Ira’s case

          as well as others where his 4th edition is up to 50pp

          and a body count of 23 at last report over suppression

          of these new energy technologies per Tesla et al

          that Ira was promoting, and also the articles about

          the pain ray and death ray psychotronic weapons

          pioneered in home made little black box by

          Puharich and Einhorn in the 1970’s, let alone the

          “high strangeness” and scary stuff around what

          Jack called the “skinwalker” incidents.  These

          have all been documented in posts to this list

          now in public archives at

          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ira-Einhorn

           

           

           


          From: Ira-Einhorn@yahoogroups.com

          On Behalf Of pantheon
          Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 12:35 PM
          To: 'g Convict Ira Einhorn (Philadelphia Unicorn Killer Hippie Guru) Case Information Archives List'; David Crockett Williams; sarfatti@...
          Subject: Re: I still think Ira was framed RE: [Ira-Einhorn] FW: Love notes to Jack and Howard re: Ira Einhorn

           

          This is a naive  reasoning. As warning, it would be better to put a bullet to Ira's head and chop him to pieces, than not bash his girlfriend, then make gymnastics with the trunk back and for, and risk him talking about his work in a meantime, or accuse some people.  Besides, Holly was NOT his wife, or a child, so why would he be punished by a death of some broad?? According to what   I read, he even did not give a damn too much about Holly, and she has already left him!

          Anna

           

           



        • pantheon
          Ok, normally such person is killed and this is it.. This murder of Holly is too elaborate and with uncertain results. If a purpose was to shut Ira down,
          Message 4 of 12 , Jul 30 10:59 PM
            Ok, normally such person  is killed and  this is it.. This murder  of Holly is too elaborate and with uncertain results. If a  purpose was to shut Ira down, then killing him directly would make more sense.
            To compromise him?  Sounds unbelievable. Let's find a better reason, one that jury would  want to believe. 
             
             
            Anna
             
             
             
             
             
             
             
             
             
             
             
             
            ----- Original Message -----
            Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 6:30 PM
            Subject: Re: to discredit him RE: I still think Ira was framed RE: [Ira-Einhorn]

            1. Ira pissed off the Mafia Mayor of Philly BIG TIME and his corrupt cops.

            2. Ira was friendly with Shah of Iran's family - this was when Shah was deposed mind you.

            3. Ira was in a deep cover op in Serbian Beograd re: Tesla weapons with Tom Bearden.

            Let's start there.

            On Jul 30, 2006, at 6:18 PM, pantheon wrote:

            Your argument is convincing, however Pucharich was more important figure, yet nothing had happened to him. ..What secrets exactly Ira knew, that everyone else didn't ?
            Remote viewing on LSD? Big deal!   In 70' this was a common knowledge on Ashbury and Haight.  OTO initiates were doing it weekly  as a magical routine. 
            Not that they  all were successful. But this is a matter of a special talent.
            And when you have it, you do not need LSD to help you.
            Anna
             
             
             
             
            ----- Original Message -----
            Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 2:00 PM
            Subject: to discredit him RE: I still think Ira was framed RE: [Ira-Einhorn]

            If “they” had killed Ira back then with all the supporters

            he had for his many causes and issues etc, it would have

            been apparent to anyone that this was to suppress the

            information he was putting out and “they” would have

            created a martyr in Ira that would be very bad to keep

            that information quiet after that.  They needed a way

            to discredit him and make him into a person nobody

            would believe tells the truth about anything so thereby

            his activism on various issues would be discredited.

            Ira told Stafford Beer not too long before this trouble

            started that he was afraid something bad was goin g

            to happen done by folks trying to shut him up and killing

            him would not do the job.  That prediction came

            true with Holly Maddux’s murder and his arraignment

            under threat of the death penalty when the prosecution

            withheld exculpatory evidence and his own attorney

            advised him to flee the country because he would not

            get a fair trial, the attorney who occasionally sent him

            money while he was underground for years and the same

            attorney who represented Ira in the absentia trial and

            the same attorney who resigned from the case after

            extradition and then as a witness at the kangaroo court

            trial after the newspaper’s tomato throwing contest,

            his then ex-attorney was called as a witness and lied

            to protect himself and did not tell these reasons why

            Ira fled the country originally, making it then appear

            he fled because he was guilty.  He could be guilty

            as far as I know but it is very clear to me that he

            could well have been framed and Holly killed to

            discredit him and what he was working to reveal

            to the public which include various issues that recent

            posts to Jack Sarfatti’s wider lists have turned up many

            new in-depth studies of additional powerful reasons --

            not only to shut Ira up, but to send a warning to others

            involved, including folks like Sarfatti, et al, ie, the mind

            control pages with all the Aviary and Jack and Ira

            listed showing large network of victims trying to

            sort out whodunit, the article about the history

            of covert use of drugs per Puharich seeking one

            that would develop psychic abilities where they

            found everyone could do remote viewing and the

            government is afraid that if folks knew it then they

            mi ght tap into secrets so they want to confuse folks

            out of believing in their own “psychic” abilities, the

            article by Gary Vesperman on the so-called “free

            ener gy” technologies suppressions mentioning Ira’s case

            as well as others where his 4th edition is up to 50pp

            and a body count of 23 at last report over suppression

            of these new energy technologies per Tesla et al

            that Ira was promoting, and also the articles about

            the pain ray and death ray psychotronic weapons

            pioneered in home made little black box by

            Puharich and Einhorn in the 1970’s, let alone the

            “hi gh strangeness” and scary stuff around what

            Jack called the “skinwalker” incidents.  These

            have all been documented in posts to this list

            now in public archives at

            http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ira-Einhorn


            From: Ira-Einhorn@yahoogroups.com

            On Behalf Of pantheon
            Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 12:35 PM
            To: 'g Convict Ira Einhorn (Philadelphia Unicorn Killer Hippie Guru) Case Information Archives List'; David Crockett Williams; sarfatti@...
            Subject: Re: I still think Ira was framed RE: [Ira-Einhorn] FW: Love notes to Jack and Howard re: Ira Einhorn

            This is a naive  reasoning. As warning, it would be better to put a bullet to Ira's head and chop him to pieces, than not bash his girlfriend, then make gymnastics with the trunk back and for, and risk him talkin g about his work in a meantime, or accuse some people.  Besides, Holly was NOT his wife, or a child, so why would he be punished by a death of some broad?? According to what   I read, he even did not give a damn too much about Holly, and she has already left him!

            Anna



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