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Marthoma chuch head expresses solidarity with Puthenkurishu society

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  • george_cthomas
    കോലഞ്ചേരി: സഭാ തര്‍ക്കം ഉഭയകക്ഷി ചര്‍ച്ചയിലൂടെ
    Message 1 of 7 , Oct 19, 2013
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      കോലഞ്ചേരി: സഭാ തര്‍ക്കം ഉഭയകക്ഷി ചര്‍ച്ചയിലൂടെ പരിഹരിക്കണമെന്ന് മാര്‍ത്തോമാ സഭയുടെ തലവന്‍ ജോസഫ് മാര്‍ത്തോമ മെത്രാപ്പോലീത്ത പറഞ്ഞു. കോലഞ്ചേരി പള്ളിയിലെ തര്‍ക്കങ്ങള്‍ ഇരുവിഭാഗവും മധ്യസ്ഥരുടെ സാന്നിദ്ധ്യത്തില്‍ ചര്‍ച്ച ചെയ്ത് സമവായത്തിലൂടെ ഒത്തുതീര്‍പ്പാക്കണമെന്നും മെത്രാപ്പോലീത്ത പറഞ്ഞു. കോലഞ്ചേരി പള്ളിക്കുമുമ്പില്‍ പ്രാര്‍ത്ഥനായജ്ഞം നടത്തിവരുന്ന ശ്രേഷ്ഠ കാതോലിക്ക ബസ്സേലിയോസ് തോമസ് പ്രഥമന്‍ ബാവയെ സന്ദര്‍ശിച്ച് സംസാരിക്കുകയായിരുന്നു മെത്രാപ്പോലീത്ത.

      നിരവധി പള്ളികളില്‍ സമവായത്തിലൂടെ തര്‍ക്കങ്ങള്‍ പരിഹരിച്ച സാഹചര്യത്തില്‍ കോലഞ്ചേരിയിലും തര്‍ക്കങ്ങള്‍ പരിഹരിക്കുവാന്‍ കഴിയും. വിവിധ സഭാവിഭാഗങ്ങള്‍ ഒരേ ദേവാലയത്തില്‍ വ്യത്യസ്ഥ സമയം ക്രമീകരിച്ച് ആരാധന നടത്തുന്നുണ്ട്. അത്തരം സമവായ തീരുമാനങ്ങള്‍ കോലഞ്ചേരിയിലും സ്വീകരിക്കാവുന്നതാണെന്നും മെത്രാപ്പോലീത്ത അഭിപ്രായപ്പെട്ടു. ഉച്ചയ്ക്കുശേഷം മൂന്നുമണിയോടെയെത്തിയ മെത്രാപ്പോലീത്ത സഭയുടെ ഐക്യദാര്‍ഢ്യവും പ്രഖ്യാപിച്ച് മടങ്ങി.

      വെള്ളിയാഴ്ച യു.ഡി.എഫ്. കണ്‍വീനര്‍ പി.പി.തങ്കച്ചന്‍, എം.എല്‍.എ.മാരായ ബെന്നി ബഹനാന്‍, ടി.യു.കുരുവിള, സാജുപോള്‍, ധീവരസഭാ നേതാവ് പി.ദിനകരന്‍ എന്നിവര്‍ ബാവയെ സന്ദര്‍ശിച്ചു. പന്തലില്‍ മെത്രാപ്പോലീത്താമാരായ ജോസഫ് മാര്‍ ഗ്രിഗോറിയോസ്, മാത്യൂസ് മാര്‍ ഈവാനിയോസ്, കുര്യാക്കോസ് മാര്‍ തെയ്യോഫിലോസ്, കുര്യാക്കോസ് മാര്‍ യൗസേബിയൂസ്, ഏലിയാസ് മാര്‍ യൂലിയോസ്, ഏലിയാസ് മാര്‍ അത്തനാസിയോസ്, ഐസക് മാര്‍ ഒസ്താത്തിയോസ്, മാത്യൂസ് മാര്‍ അന്തിമോസ്, ഗിവര്‍ഗീസ് മാര്‍ കൂറിലോസ് എന്നിവരും റമ്പാന്മാരായ ഗബ്രിയേല്‍, മിഖായേല്‍ എന്നിവരും പ്രാര്‍ത്ഥനായജ്ഞത്തില്‍ സംബന്ധിച്ചു. രാവിലെ സഭാ മാനേജിങ് കമ്മിറ്റിയും, വര്‍ക്കിങ് കമ്മിറ്റിയും, ഉച്ചയ്ക്കുശേഷം വിശ്വാസ സംരക്ഷണസമിതി യോഗവും നടന്നു.

      http://www.mathrubhumi.com/ernakulam/news/2567637-local_news-ernakulam.html

       

      George C. Thomas

       

       Instead of advising Puthenkurishu group to accept Court verdict like the Palakkunnathu group, the present successor of Palakkunnathu group is suggesting sharing of parish Church with rebels which literally is violation of Court verdicts.

      Our Church leadership should take this issue seriously. If Ecumenical (multi-faith group) club members are supporting rebels who are trying to destroy Orthodox Christianity in Kerala, then time has come for we Orthodox to leave the Ecumenical club as we give utmost importance to preserving  "ORTHODOXY' than anything else in this world.

       

      George C. Thomas

       

    • a.varghese10
      I fully agree with Mr. George Thomas s assessment that time has come for we Orthodox to leave the Ecumenical Club .  In this context, it may be useful to
      Message 2 of 7 , Oct 21, 2013
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        I fully agree with Mr. George Thomas's assessment that "time has come for we Orthodox to leave the Ecumenical Club".  In this context, it may be useful to review what we have achieved from investing time and money in the Ecumenical movement including the WCC.  I would argue that time and money we have spent/spending is not worth it and net benefit has been negative.  Instead why don't we give leadership to the Oriental orthodox churches, with whom we have communion, to unite together .  Our church should consider hosting a joint meeting of the Oriental orthodox churches in India and then a combined Holy Synod.  Note that the last joint meeting was in Ethiopia under the leadership of Emperor Haile Salasee.  Such a joint meeting could pave the way for unity and mediation by the Holy Fathers who share same faith rather than mediation by the Marthoma and/or Catholic groups.


        Varghese

        Maryland.  

      • Baboi George
        PEACE IN KOLENCHERY :-   Sometime humans can behave like dogs !!!   This reminds me of the dog chasing the car ... the dog does not know what he will do when
        Message 3 of 7 , Oct 22, 2013
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          PEACE IN KOLENCHERY :-
           
          Sometime humans can behave like dogs !!!
           
          This reminds me of the dog chasing the car ... the dog does not know what he will do when he catches up with the car ... ???
           
          Presumably both sides want peaceful worship in a church; this can ONLY be achieved by “Peace and Reconciliation” talk by the two sides.
          The time has come these bogey-men are brought to the negotiating table and exposed for what they are and sacrificed for peace.
           
          Ultimately, either you serve “God or Mammon” – When Law and Order is discarded and praying for WHAT ???
          Everlasting peace cannot be imposed by a Court, unless both sides respect and value the Order !
           
          Accepting these facts of differences and reconcile them until a new generation takes over the reign, there will not be peace.
          The Catholic Church have an administration which bring all Cardinals together to elect a Pope without much acrimony.
          The ORTHODOX CHURCH has a high reputation around the world and this role model can benefit both sides.  
           
          May Lord Almighty teach us the meaning of  “ TRUE WORSHIP “ -
           
           
          Baboi George (London, U.K.)
             
           
           
        • jvglion
          I don t understand why we give credence to leadership of  reform, and other movements/groups such as the Marthoma Church.  Why are we even pursuing formal
          Message 4 of 7 , Oct 26, 2013
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            I don't understand why we give credence to leadership of  reform, and other movements/groups such as the Marthoma Church.  Why are we even pursuing formal Ecumenical relations with even the Catholic Church when we have yet to prove we can unify ourselves?  I hear countless arguments for those unions, but to me, what does it prove? Nothing whatsoever as those groups have a clear agenda and seek to divide the one Apostolic and uncorrupt faith of Orthodox Christians.  I've said multiple times in this forum (let's look past the factionalism), as a united Malankara Syrian Church are far more stronger than divided. Our logical step is to first pursue Oriental Orthodox unity, but it makes no sense whatsoever to keep pursuing division in the church.  H.H. Aram I Catholicos of the Armenian Church, had offered his help in helping the us come to peace.  Again I ask, why are we looking for validation from non-Orthodox or reform "Orthodox" movements than amongst our own sister churches we have communion with? I sincerely believe if hardliners and others who have more to gain by perpetuating the division were to move aside , we can focus again on being Christian - even achieve true ecumenical and fraternal relations with our reformed and Evangelical brothers and sisters in Christ.

            It is time to start being realistic. If we don't start from the bottom and work our way up the future is status quo, stagnation or even disintegration. 

            Joe G.
            Washington, DC                    
          • a.varghese10
            I am following up on couple of messages by Mr. Geroge C. Thomas and Mr. Joe. The need of the hour is to achieve Oriental Orthodox Unity and our church should
            Message 5 of 7 , Oct 27, 2013
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              I am following up on couple of messages by Mr. Geroge C. Thomas and Mr. Joe. The need of the hour is to achieve Oriental Orthodox Unity and our church should give leadership to achieve this unity.  This, I believe, has more priority than engaging in Ecumenical activities with the WCC or other churches in Kerala.  We should also evaluate the benefits of our engagement with the WCC or other Ecumenical groups.  I have also read somewhere that late lamented Dr. Paulose Mar Gregorios Thirumeni was of the opinion that the church has not benefited much from the association with WCC.  Instead our church should host a meeting of the Oriental Orthodox churches in India. Such a meeting should be arranged outside our headquarters or any of our official buildings to facilitate participation by the Jacobite faction and Syrian Orthodox Church. Such a meeting of the churches that have communion could pave the way for solving our disputes with the Jacobite (in this context please note that the name Jacobites is now used only Kerala.  Our Jacobite brothers brothers may notice that the Syrian Orthodox church is officially called Universal Syrian Orthodox church-Not Jacobite).  This may be followed by a Holy Synod of the Oriental Orthodox Churches, where any issues, doctrinal and/or faith, could be discussed and resolved and it could pave the way for peace and unity the orthodox in the Malankara.  

              The Oriental Orthodox communion should then be followed by talks and reconciliation with the the larger Eastern Orthodox group under the Ecumenical Patriarch and the Patriarch of Russia. Note that such a united orthodox church could emerge as the second largest Christian group in the world with significant . I hope our church leadership will give priority to greater Orthodox Unity over Ecumenism. Note that our church is the best placed to give leadership among Oriental Orthodox churches.  Thanks in advance for reading and for your responses.



              Varghese

              Maryland

                




              ---In IndianOrthodox@yahoogroups.com, <indianorthodox@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

              I don't understand why we give credence to leadership of  reform, and other movements/groups such as the Marthoma Church.  Why are we even pursuing formal Ecumenical relations with even the Catholic Church when we have yet to prove we can unify ourselves?  I hear countless arguments for those unions, but to me, what does it prove? Nothing whatsoever as those groups have a clear agenda and seek to divide the one Apostolic and uncorrupt faith of Orthodox Christians.  I've said multiple times in this forum (let's look past the factionalism), as a united Malankara Syrian Church are far more stronger than divided. Our logical step is to first pursue Oriental Orthodox unity, but it makes no sense whatsoever to keep pursuing division in the church.  H.H. Aram I Catholicos of the Armenian Church, had offered his help in helping the us come to peace.  Again I ask, why are we looking for validation from non-Orthodox or reform "Orthodox" movements than amongst our own sister churches we have communion with? I sincerely believe if hardliners and others who have more to gain by perpetuating the division were to move aside , we can focus again on being Christian - even achieve true ecumenical and fraternal relations with our reformed and Evangelical brothers and sisters in Christ.

              It is time to start being realistic. If we don't start from the bottom and work our way up the future is status quo, stagnation or even disintegration. 

              Joe G.
              Washington, DC                    
            • george_cthomas
              Mr Varghese has well explained the action plan which is pan-Orthodox and need of the hour. Its a fact that due to the ignorance of our people about Orthodoxy,
              Message 6 of 7 , Nov 1, 2013
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                Mr Varghese has well explained the action plan which is pan-Orthodox and need of the hour. Its a fact that due to the ignorance of our people about Orthodoxy, Rev Fr. C.M Thomas became successful in creating rift in the Mother Church which, led to the restarting of court cases which ended in 1958 after 23 years of litigation again in 1974.

                 

                I am of the opinion that we should construct "ORTHODOX SPIRITUAL  CENTRE"s near captured/closed/disputed parish Churches as well as convert our existing "Catholicate Centres" inorder to educate our people on Orthodoxy and present "Orthodox Christianity" to non-Orthodox.

                 

                Lets pray to God Almighty that both factions in our Church unite and become the second biggest Christian community in Kerala and thereby regaining the lost glory.

                 

                Can ICON present our action plan to HH Catholicose on behalf of the ten thousand plus members??

                 

                George C. Thomas, Kuwait

              • george_cthomas
                Having received the Royal proclamation, Mathews Mar Athanasius made himself more active and involved in the cause of reformation. Years later a group led by
                Message 7 of 7 , Nov 9, 2013
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                   Having received the Royal proclamation, Mathews Mar Athanasius made himself more active and involved in the cause of reformation. Years later a group led by Pulikottil Joseph Mar Dionysius who was consecrated by the Patriarch of Antioch worked vigorously against him and his attempts to continue reformation. Mathews Mar Athanasius, consecrated his cousin Abraham Malpan’s son, as Thomas Mar Athanasius in 1868. The reformed party had possession of the Syrian Seminary as Mathews Mar Athanasius had been declared as the Malankara Metropolitan. The Partriarch of Antioch himself came to Kerala in 1875. A prolonged litigation followed, as to who was the rightful Malankara Metropolitan. Mathews Mar Athanasius died in 1877 and Thomas Mar Athanasius had to carry the burden of conducting the court cases, for the possession of the Syrian Seminary and Church property. This case was decided in the royal court of appeal in Trivandrum, in 1889. Two judges decreed that Joseph Mar Dionysius was the rightful Metropolitan of the Malankara Church as he expressed allegiance to the Patriarch of Antioch. One Christian Judge gave the verdict in favour of Thomas Mar Athanasius because of his conviction that the Malankara Church has been an independent Church from the beginning. The majority view prevailed and Thomas Mar Athanasius had to leave the Syrian Seminary and the properties there, because he upheld the autonomy of the Church. It was suggested that Thomas Mar Athanasius would be recognized as Malankara Metropolitan, if he agreed that future consecrations of Bishops should be by the Partriarch of Anticoh. He did not agree to this proposal as it was against the autonomy of the Church.

                   

                  http://marthoma.in/heritage

                   

                  The successor of the rebel Metropolitan who left the Orthodox Church since he doesn't want to accept the spiritual authority of Patriarch of Antioch has declared in front of media that all Churches of Syrian heritage should be united under the Patriarch of Antioch.

                   

                   

                  George C. Thomas, Kuwait

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