Re: Communion - Need to Reconcile
- Dear Madam Sara,
It gives me much pain to read the comment of sister churches about
our church. But I understand that it could be due to their ignorance
and our wrong practices. The orthodox church places St.Mary at the
highest place as 'Yeldhos Aloho' not as 'the mother of Jesus'. It was
the practice to concecrate the alter in every church in the name
of 'Dhaivamathavu'. The church believe that the resurrected Jesus was
revealed first to a woman and not to his desciples. The church
remembers several'shudhimathical'. The sincere prayers rising from
the women of our church is the only strength to the church stability.
Even today when we enter into any church we could see the praying
women, but they never claim for their role. Because our church never
make them in the managing committe. The time will make changes for it
soon. The church never considers women as 'first EVE' but St.Mary the
second EVE'. Of course the church do not agree to ordain them priests
I am sure that our chuch leaders may be able to tell about Sara's
Dr. George, Dubai
- Dear Mani Sam,
Yes Mr. Mani Sam if everybody accept and adopt your 1st and the most
suggestion "that no further monies will be spent for litigation irrespective
of the outcome of the Association Meeting" there would only be one
"CHRISTIAN CHURCH". I did this during 23 years back when I head the St.
Thomas Orthodox Congregation in Saudi Arabia irrespective of Kalpanas from
our various Thirumenis.
- It was refreshing to see a woman's point of view on this topic in this
forum. I have long felt that this forum would be richer, if more women
participated in the discussions and I have expressed this sentiment in a
previous posting in this forum.
Sarah, you say that some of our sister churches give us the label of "Worse
than Taliban"! Worse than Taliban? Well not quite, but sometimes that label
would seem to fit our church practices. It is sad but true that we spend a
lot of our energy in the name of 'Orthodoxy', to keep women subordinated in
our church affairs. We may explain it by invoking a number of dubious claims
relating to traditions and dogmas etc.
Again Sarah points out another of our failings. This is the practice of
often ignoring the sanction and teachings of our Lord in many aspects and at
the same time gives undue emphasis to old practices and traditions to
support some of our archaic practices.
The other important point in Sarah's posting in my opinion is the refreshing
angle of stressing the need for reconciling with the party who caused injury
and grief to us (as well as the other party that we have caused injury to).
This is very difficult but sure way to resolve conflicts and a truly
Willy I Daniel
- It is a matter of praise to God that Abimon Joy asked
our prayers for his father Joy Varghese, passed on
last year. We all are with you. Just to assure you
that we will remember your father in the worship.
I feel proud of children who can think good of their
parents because they brought them up in the Lord and
not because they made a lot of money for them. Our
perspective is changing. It must change. Thanks be to
God. Our Lord is the Living God and we have hope and
peace in HIM, HIM alone.
Love. achen MKK
- Congratulations to Babu Thomas for this prophetic call for change. I
earnestly wish and pray that we have more people who think this way.
- "He is a foolish traveler who sees pleasant meadows on his journey and
forgets where he is going. Therefore let our hearts yearn with all our desire
for our heavenly home, let them desire nothing in this world which they must
leave quickly. If we are truly sheep of the heavenly Shepherd, and are not
arrested by any delight alone the way, we shall be satisfied with eternal
pastures on our arrival there."
St. Gregory the Great.
"I have set the Lord always before me; Because He is at my right hand I shall
not be moved." Psalms 16:8
- Dear all,
In this time of riots and hatred in India, especially Gujarat, it
would be great to spare a moment praying for the lives lost and the
sufferings of the people hurt.
Please pray for all the victims,irrespective of whether Hindus or
Muslims. Please pray that better sense prevails. India loses all, if it loses
its secular fabric.
There is need for a lot of forgiving and forgetting from both sides.
Please pray that the Holy Spirit works in a way only He can to help
resolve the currently enflamed situation.
Please pray for all people there in the midst of the horrific
happenings in Gujarat in the name of God and religion.
Please pray hard that this does not escalate into a nation wide
scenario of bloodbath.
If 1700 people( we of the IOIF are that strong today, by the grace of
God) pray for a common cause with sincere heart and tears, will God
- FROM THE DESK OF MODERATORS:
The past few years have seen the launching of a lot of web sites of Our Church
and her various parishes, some bearing testimony to individual brilliance and
command over technical skills.
But we still have a lot of work to do in the IT arena especially in the
Internet world. There has to be a collective effort, with glory of Christ and
His Church as the ultimate goal.
During our recent discussions (December 2001) with Rev.(Dr.) K. M. George,
Principal, Theological Seminary, Kottayam, Achan has emphasized his keenness to
develop a powerful web site for our Seminary. As per Achan's plans/vision, this
will not just be a web site for seminary. It should have the potential to grow
as one of the biggest resource on internet on "Orthodoxy" and will include
works and philosophy of our spiritual leaders like (Late) H. G. (Dr.)Paulose
Mar Gregorios. The site will have a bookstall also which sells books
related to our church and "Orthodoxy". One should be able to gather any
information related to Orthodox Church from the site.
Rev.(Dr.) K. M. George has also requested the services of professionals/volunteers from IOIF who can contribute for this project in
whatever way they can.
On behalf of IOIF, one of our very young and committed members, Mr. Robin
Panicker (Home Town Trivandrum) who is a software Engineer by profession,
working for a multi-national company in Bangalore has initiated some leg work
in this regard with overall guidance from Rev.(Dr.) K. M. George and other
faculty members of the Seminary. He has already done some preliminary functions
towards building this web site.
Let us quote from Robin: "Let me tell something about Achan. He is the
real inspiration behind this project. He is one of the best scholars we have
in our church. He has taken lot of initiative to modernize seminary. Do visit
the seminary whenever you come to Kerala. It's really worth seeing."
We are looking for assistance in developing the web site particularly in areas of
2) Graphics and Site Design
3) Content Management
Also we need participation of senior and experienced persons who can coordinate
the entire project(Project Management). Also there is lot of work like
converting documents to PDF, creating real audio or MP3 file (Sruthi School of
Another member of IOIF, Mr. Mathew Samuel(Queens, New York) who is a young
professional working in this field along with his wife Ms. Sumam (who also is a
computer professional) has shown their interest to associate with this project.
This message is a feeble effort to get all computer professionals/students
together, try and create a synergy among them and focus the immense talents we
have to come out with wonders for our Church, in the process improving
ourselves spiritually and in our chosen vocation.
We are a strong 1700 members now in the IOIF, by the power of the Holy Spirit.
There must be many among us who are working in the Computer industry or
studying to be IT professionals.
We urge all members of IOIF meeting the above criterion and driven by a passion
to serve the Church to send their willingness in a short message to
IndianOrthodox@ hotmail.com (without space after @) with relevant
information regarding the way they can contribute in this venture.
In addition to computer professionals, any other volunteers who can contribute
to this important project in whatever way are welcome. Only through proper
integration of the technology with the correct/relevant information, we can
Please note that the entire work/time will be non-remunerative, at least for
the time being. The project work will include coding in ASP(Active Server
We ask for your prayers in this humble endeavor of ours. Please send in your
consent for association with the above effort ASAP to
IndianOrthodox@ hotmail.com(without the space after @). Let's use our talents
to promote the causes and activities of our Church and her institutions.