Re: [ICG-D] Re: Important message from the Costumer's Guild West
- At 01:38 PM 7/2/2006, von_drago wrote:
>Thank you, Marty.Nora and others,
>I've been trying to come up with a nice way to say something of that
>nature. I keep getting stuck on "if you're not helping, at least try
>not to hinder those who are" but...
>In any case, bless your little pointy teeth.
I have been in fannish pursuits for close to 20 years. One thing I
have learned is that trying to insist that people "play nice" by not
bringing up their problems ends up with those people going away
totally. For a group, any group, to survive there needs to be the
occasional knock down/drag out, air the dirty laundry fight to clear
the air and bring the problems into the light of day. Just like a
family, sometimes you need to weather the bad or the good dies as well.
When everything repeatedly gets ignored, doesn't get discussed,
basically is constantly swept under the carpet in favor or secrecy
and a veneer of false politeness over substance is preferred then the
result are what the ICG is seeing now - groups leaving.
If the ICG does not want more groups to leave it behind then, IMO, it
is time to really address why the members are unhappy instead of
ignoring them, insulting them or trying to guilt them into being
satisfied when they are not.
Bottom line here guys - if the ICG was truly doing a good job
satisfying its member groups then they wouldn't be leaving, now would they?
>--- In ICG-D@yahoogroups.com, Martin Gear <MartinGear@...> wrote:
> > People -
> > We started the ICG to bring costumers together, to share ideas and
> > techniques, and to try to bring an end to what at the time seemed to
> > an east vs west war. The comments regarding the CGW's leaving the ICG
> > seem designed to start that war all over again. Can we not leave it
> > that the CGW chose to withdraw from the ICG for their own reasons,
> > them the best of luck and go on with our own business? Any further
> > comments can do nothing but fan the fires of a flame war.
> > Marty
> > A founding father of the ICG
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- At 11:18 PM 7/11/2006, you wrote:
>As long as we make our basic numbers, my treasurer tells me it'sDepending on budget it might be a zero-sum situation. The expenses
>essentially a zero-sum gain. They aren't paying for membership, but (if
>they attend) they are most likely getting a room, and making room nights
>is what covers most of our facility expenses.
>We figure it into the advertising and marketing budget...
that the con is absorbing are basically publications and badge
creation. The gains can be that it helps top off the room-nights
which can have a dramatic effect on costs. If that one membership
pushes your room-nights from one level to the next, the con could
save thousands, which is definitely worth the ~$50-100 cost of the membership.
>Laetitia wrote:"Those Who Fail To Learn History
> >May I ask what expense, for the giver, comes with giving an attending
> >membership to the convention?
Are Doomed to Repeat It;
Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly --
Why They Are Simply Doomed.
"The Illusion of Historical Fact"
-- C.Y. 4971