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  • Wayne Roberts
    Dear FTDNA, The following Y-DNA Haplogroup I-M223 Project members have tests ordered for SNP, P195. 39699 Denis Hayde P195 P195 520 7/31/2013 260237 Dr. Joao
    Message 1 of 17 , Sep 21, 2013
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      Dear FTDNA,
       
      The following Y-DNA Haplogroup I-M223 Project members have tests ordered for SNP, P195.
       
      39699Denis HaydeP195P1955207/31/2013 
      260237Dr. Joao Manuel BrazP195P1955207/31/2013 
      28064Dr. H. Jay WrightP195P1955218/7/2013 
      72066Mr. William Keith WorshamP195P1955228/14/2013 
      79327John Anthony Cleary                                                           P195P1955238/21/2013 
      N18172Mr. Edward Paul FleetP195P19553411/7/2013

      I have been made aware that a problem exists with testing for this SNP, P195 and some or all of the above members have been offered a refund of $39 and testing for an alternative SNP, M214 at no charge.
       
      Our delema begins now P195 test is not available. A member tested positive for P195 with Geno 2.0. This is the first occurence of P195 derived in Haplogroup I-M223 and other members with similar STR markers and branch SNPs were organised to test for P195 and placed orders in good faith between 10 June and 15 September 2013. The member that was positive for P195 is negative for M214 as are all other members of Haplogroup I-M223 Project that have done the Geno 2.0.
       
      So how will M214 replace P195 when the person that is derived for P195 is ancestral for M214? Could the Lab Director please respond back with some answers as I am unable to call or visit to discuss this being located in Australia.
       
      Your sincerely,
      Wayne Roberts
      Co-Administrator
      Y-DNA Haplogroup I-M223 Project
       
       
       
       
       
    • joaobraz_2000
      Wayne, I have sent your draft to the person I ve been in contact with at FTDNA ... hopefully someone over there will read it and we will soon have an answer!
      Message 2 of 17 , Sep 23, 2013
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        Wayne,


        I have sent your draft to the person I've been in contact with at FTDNA ... hopefully someone over there will read it and we will soon have an answer!


        JOAO



        --- In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <i-m223@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

        Dear FTDNA,
         
        The following Y-DNA Haplogroup I-M223 Project members have tests ordered for SNP, P195.
         
        39699Denis HaydeP195P1955207/31/2013 
        260237Dr. Joao Manuel BrazP195P1955207/31/2013 
        28064Dr. H. Jay WrightP195P1955218/7/2013 
        72066Mr. William Keith WorshamP195P1955228/14/2013 
        79327John Anthony Cleary                                                           P195P1955238/21/2013 
        N18172Mr. Edward Paul FleetP195P19553411/7/2013

        I have been made aware that a problem exists with testing for this SNP, P195 and some or all of the above members have been offered a refund of $39 and testing for an alternative SNP, M214 at no charge.
         
        Our delema begins now P195 test is not available. A member tested positive for P195 with Geno 2.0. This is the first occurence of P195 derived in Haplogroup I-M223 and other members with similar STR markers and branch SNPs were organised to test for P195 and placed orders in good faith between 10 June and 15 September 2013. The member that was positive for P195 is negative for M214 as are all other members of Haplogroup I-M223 Project that have done the Geno 2.0.
         
        So how will M214 replace P195 when the person that is derived for P195 is ancestral for M214? Could the Lab Director please respond back with some answers as I am unable to call or visit to discuss this being located in Australia.
         
        Your sincerely,
        Wayne Roberts
        Co-Administrator
        Y-DNA Haplogroup I-M223 Project
         
         
         
         
         
      • Wayne Roberts
        Joao, Already received a message from Michelle F. at FTDNA info asking for the kit number of the P195+ member. As has been suggested outside this list, the Lab
        Message 3 of 17 , Sep 23, 2013
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          Joao,
           
          Already received a message from Michelle F. at FTDNA info asking for the kit number of the P195+ member. As has been suggested outside this list, the Lab assumed that as M214 and P195 are found close together in Haplogroup N they could substitute M214 for P195. Well excuse me Mr. Lab Director, this is not Haplogroup N. Let hope we get a good resolution of this matter. Thanks Joao, the more pressure, the better, I hope.
           
          Wayne
           
          ----- Original Message -----
          Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:51 AM
          Subject: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

           

          Wayne,


          I have sent your draft to the person I've been in contact with at FTDNA ... hopefully someone over there will read it and we will soon have an answer!


          JOAO



          --- In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <i-m223@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

          Dear FTDNA,
           
          The following Y-DNA Haplogroup I-M223 Project members have tests ordered for SNP, P195.
           
          39699Denis HaydeP195P1955207/31/2013 
          260237Dr. Joao Manuel BrazP195P1955207/31/2013 
          28064Dr. H. Jay WrightP195P1955218/7/2013 
          72066Mr. William Keith WorshamP195P1955228/14/2013 
          79327John Anthony Cleary                                                           P195P1955238/21/2013 
          N18172Mr. Edward Paul FleetP195P19553411/7/2013

          I have been made aware that a problem exists with testing for this SNP, P195 and some or all of the above members have been offered a refund of $39 and testing for an alternative SNP, M214 at no charge.
           
          Our delema begins now P195 test is not available. A member tested positive for P195 with Geno 2.0. This is the first occurence of P195 derived in Haplogroup I-M223 and other members with similar STR markers and branch SNPs were organised to test for P195 and placed orders in good faith between 10 June and 15 September 2013. The member that was positive for P195 is negative for M214 as are all other members of Haplogroup I-M223 Project that have done the Geno 2.0.
           
          So how will M214 replace P195 when the person that is derived for P195 is ancestral for M214? Could the Lab Director please respond back with some answers as I am unable to call or visit to discuss this being located in Australia.
           
          Your sincerely,
          Wayne Roberts
          Co-Administrator
          Y-DNA Haplogroup I-M223 Project
           
           
           
           
           

        • Wayne Roberts
          I have received the following message from FTDNA regarding P195. I also note that M214 has been ordered by FTDNA for each of the 6 kits. Perhaps they are going
          Message 4 of 17 , Sep 24, 2013
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            I have received the following message from FTDNA regarding P195. I also note that M214 has been ordered by FTDNA for each of the 6 kits. Perhaps they are going to run both SNPs. Wayne.
             
            Dear Mr. Roberts,

            Thank you for all of the great information! Our lab director has the P195 primer in the lab and is working on the issue with that marker. We will re-run the P195 for all six kits once the P195 primer is vetted. I appreciate your patience and for working with us.

            Best Regards,

            Michelle F
            Information Specialist
            Family Tree DNA
            713-868-1438

             
             
             
            ----- Original Message -----
            Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:51 AM
            Subject: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

             

            

            Joao,
             
            Already received a message from Michelle F. at FTDNA info asking for the kit number of the P195+ member. As has been suggested outside this list, the Lab assumed that as M214 and P195 are found close together in Haplogroup N they could substitute M214 for P195. Well excuse me Mr. Lab Director, this is not Haplogroup N. Let hope we get a good resolution of this matter. Thanks Joao, the more pressure, the better, I hope.
             
            Wayne
             
            ----- Original Message -----
            Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:51 AM
            Subject: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

             

            Wayne,


            I have sent your draft to the person I've been in contact with at FTDNA ... hopefully someone over there will read it and we will soon have an answer!


            JOAO



            --- In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <i-m223@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

            Dear FTDNA,
             
            The following Y-DNA Haplogroup I-M223 Project members have tests ordered for SNP, P195.
             
            39699Denis HaydeP195P1955207/31/2013 
            260237Dr. Joao Manuel BrazP195P1955207/31/2013 
            28064Dr. H. Jay WrightP195P1955218/7/2013 
            72066Mr. William Keith WorshamP195P1955228/14/2013 
            79327John Anthony Cleary                                                           P195P1955238/21/2013 
            N18172Mr. Edward Paul FleetP195P19553411/7/2013

            I have been made aware that a problem exists with testing for this SNP, P195 and some or all of the above members have been offered a refund of $39 and testing for an alternative SNP, M214 at no charge.
             
            Our delema begins now P195 test is not available. A member tested positive for P195 with Geno 2.0. This is the first occurence of P195 derived in Haplogroup I-M223 and other members with similar STR markers and branch SNPs were organised to test for P195 and placed orders in good faith between 10 June and 15 September 2013. The member that was positive for P195 is negative for M214 as are all other members of Haplogroup I-M223 Project that have done the Geno 2.0.
             
            So how will M214 replace P195 when the person that is derived for P195 is ancestral for M214? Could the Lab Director please respond back with some answers as I am unable to call or visit to discuss this being located in Australia.
             
            Your sincerely,
            Wayne Roberts
            Co-Administrator
            Y-DNA Haplogroup I-M223 Project
             
             
             
             
             

          • joaobraz_2000
            Not surprisingly, I came out as M214 negative. I just hope they will keep their promise of running the P195 test as originally ordered. JOAO 260237 ...  I
            Message 5 of 17 , Nov 12, 2013
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              Not surprisingly, I came out as M214 negative. I just hope they will keep their promise of running the P195 test as originally ordered. 


              JOAO

              260237



              ---In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:

              
              I have received the following message from FTDNA regarding P195. I also note that M214 has been ordered by FTDNA for each of the 6 kits. Perhaps they are going to run both SNPs. Wayne.
               
              Dear Mr. Roberts,

              Thank you for all of the great information! Our lab director has the P195 primer in the lab and is working on the issue with that marker. We will re-run the P195 for all six kits once the P195 primer is vetted. I appreciate your patience and for working with us.

              Best Regards,

              Michelle F
              Information Specialist
              Family Tree DNA
              713-868-1438

               
               
               
              ----- Original Message -----
              Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:51 AM
              Subject: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

               

              

              Joao,
               
              Already received a message from Michelle F. at FTDNA info asking for the kit number of the P195+ member. As has been suggested outside this list, the Lab assumed that as M214 and P195 are found close together in Haplogroup N they could substitute M214 for P195. Well excuse me Mr. Lab Director, this is not Haplogroup N. Let hope we get a good resolution of this matter. Thanks Joao, the more pressure, the better, I hope.
               
              Wayne
               
              ----- Original Message -----
              Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:51 AM
              Subject: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

               

              Wayne,


              I have sent your draft to the person I've been in contact with at FTDNA ... hopefully someone over there will read it and we will soon have an answer!


              JOAO



              --- In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <i-m223@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

              Dear FTDNA,
               
              The following Y-DNA Haplogroup I-M223 Project members have tests ordered for SNP, P195.
               
              39699Denis HaydeP195P1955207/31/2013 
              260237Dr. Joao Manuel BrazP195P1955207/31/2013 
              28064Dr. H. Jay WrightP195P1955218/7/2013 
              72066Mr. William Keith WorshamP195P1955228/14/2013 
              79327John Anthony Cleary                                                           P195P1955238/21/2013 
              N18172Mr. Edward Paul FleetP195P19553411/7/2013

              I have been made aware that a problem exists with testing for this SNP, P195 and some or all of the above members have been offered a refund of $39 and testing for an alternative SNP, M214 at no charge.
               
              Our delema begins now P195 test is not available. A member tested positive for P195 with Geno 2.0. This is the first occurence of P195 derived in Haplogroup I-M223 and other members with similar STR markers and branch SNPs were organised to test for P195 and placed orders in good faith between 10 June and 15 September 2013. The member that was positive for P195 is negative for M214 as are all other members of Haplogroup I-M223 Project that have done the Geno 2.0.
               
              So how will M214 replace P195 when the person that is derived for P195 is ancestral for M214? Could the Lab Director please respond back with some answers as I am unable to call or visit to discuss this being located in Australia.
               
              Your sincerely,
              Wayne Roberts
              Co-Administrator
              Y-DNA Haplogroup I-M223 Project
               
               
               
               
               
            • Wayne Roberts
              Joao, All with results back for M214 are ancestral as we said to FTDNA they would be. I assume since the lab now has the P195 primer, they are running those
              Message 6 of 17 , Nov 12, 2013
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                Joao,
                 
                All with results back for M214 are ancestral as we said to FTDNA they would be. I assume since the lab now has the P195 primer, they are running those tests. I'm not sure how they will report them since they deleted the orders for them when they replaced P195 with M214.
                 
                I guess having the M214 results will in the long run assist in having P195 listed by ISOGG once we have further confirmed positive results for P195.
                 
                Wayne
                 
                ----- Original Message -----
                Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:58 AM
                Subject: RE: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                 

                Not surprisingly, I came out as M214 negative. I just hope they will keep their promise of running the P195 test as originally ordered. 


                JOAO

                260237



                ---In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:

                
                I have received the following message from FTDNA regarding P195. I also note that M214 has been ordered by FTDNA for each of the 6 kits. Perhaps they are going to run both SNPs. Wayne.
                 
                Dear Mr. Roberts,

                Thank you for all of the great information! Our lab director has the P195 primer in the lab and is working on the issue with that marker. We will re-run the P195 for all six kits once the P195 primer is vetted. I appreciate your patience and for working with us.

                Best Regards,

                Michelle F
                Information Specialist
                Family Tree DNA
                713-868-1438

                 
                 
                 
                ----- Original Message -----
                Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:51 AM
                Subject: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                 

                

                Joao,
                 
                Already received a message from Michelle F. at FTDNA info asking for the kit number of the P195+ member. As has been suggested outside this list, the Lab assumed that as M214 and P195 are found close together in Haplogroup N they could substitute M214 for P195. Well excuse me Mr. Lab Director, this is not Haplogroup N. Let hope we get a good resolution of this matter. Thanks Joao, the more pressure, the better, I hope.
                 
                Wayne
                 
                ----- Original Message -----
                Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:51 AM
                Subject: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                 

                Wayne,


                I have sent your draft to the person I've been in contact with at FTDNA ... hopefully someone over there will read it and we will soon have an answer!


                JOAO



                --- In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <i-m223@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                Dear FTDNA,
                 
                The following Y-DNA Haplogroup I-M223 Project members have tests ordered for SNP, P195.
                 
                39699Denis HaydeP195P1955207/31/2013 
                260237Dr. Joao Manuel BrazP195P1955207/31/2013 
                28064Dr. H. Jay WrightP195P1955218/7/2013 
                72066Mr. William Keith WorshamP195P1955228/14/2013 
                79327John Anthony Cleary                                                           P195P1955238/21/2013 
                N18172Mr. Edward Paul FleetP195P19553411/7/2013

                I have been made aware that a problem exists with testing for this SNP, P195 and some or all of the above members have been offered a refund of $39 and testing for an alternative SNP, M214 at no charge.
                 
                Our delema begins now P195 test is not available. A member tested positive for P195 with Geno 2.0. This is the first occurence of P195 derived in Haplogroup I-M223 and other members with similar STR markers and branch SNPs were organised to test for P195 and placed orders in good faith between 10 June and 15 September 2013. The member that was positive for P195 is negative for M214 as are all other members of Haplogroup I-M223 Project that have done the Geno 2.0.
                 
                So how will M214 replace P195 when the person that is derived for P195 is ancestral for M214? Could the Lab Director please respond back with some answers as I am unable to call or visit to discuss this being located in Australia.
                 
                Your sincerely,
                Wayne Roberts
                Co-Administrator
                Y-DNA Haplogroup I-M223 Project
                 
                 
                 
                 
                 

              • joaobraz_2000
                I just received an email from FTDNA stating that the P195 test had been ordered. Good on them for keeping their word :) JOAO ...  Joao, All with results
                Message 7 of 17 , Nov 13, 2013
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                  I just received an email from FTDNA stating that the P195 test had been ordered. Good on them for keeping their word :)


                  JOAO



                  ---In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:

                  
                  Joao,
                   
                  All with results back for M214 are ancestral as we said to FTDNA they would be. I assume since the lab now has the P195 primer, they are running those tests. I'm not sure how they will report them since they deleted the orders for them when they replaced P195 with M214.
                   
                  I guess having the M214 results will in the long run assist in having P195 listed by ISOGG once we have further confirmed positive results for P195.
                   
                  Wayne
                   
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:58 AM
                  Subject: RE: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                   

                  Not surprisingly, I came out as M214 negative. I just hope they will keep their promise of running the P195 test as originally ordered. 


                  JOAO

                  260237



                  ---In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:

                  
                  I have received the following message from FTDNA regarding P195. I also note that M214 has been ordered by FTDNA for each of the 6 kits. Perhaps they are going to run both SNPs. Wayne.
                   
                  Dear Mr. Roberts,

                  Thank you for all of the great information! Our lab director has the P195 primer in the lab and is working on the issue with that marker. We will re-run the P195 for all six kits once the P195 primer is vetted. I appreciate your patience and for working with us.

                  Best Regards,

                  Michelle F
                  Information Specialist
                  Family Tree DNA
                  713-868-1438

                   
                   
                   
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:51 AM
                  Subject: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                   

                  

                  Joao,
                   
                  Already received a message from Michelle F. at FTDNA info asking for the kit number of the P195+ member. As has been suggested outside this list, the Lab assumed that as M214 and P195 are found close together in Haplogroup N they could substitute M214 for P195. Well excuse me Mr. Lab Director, this is not Haplogroup N. Let hope we get a good resolution of this matter. Thanks Joao, the more pressure, the better, I hope.
                   
                  Wayne
                   
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:51 AM
                  Subject: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                   

                  Wayne,


                  I have sent your draft to the person I've been in contact with at FTDNA ... hopefully someone over there will read it and we will soon have an answer!


                  JOAO



                  --- In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <i-m223@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                  Dear FTDNA,
                   
                  The following Y-DNA Haplogroup I-M223 Project members have tests ordered for SNP, P195.
                   
                  39699Denis HaydeP195P1955207/31/2013 
                  260237Dr. Joao Manuel BrazP195P1955207/31/2013 
                  28064Dr. H. Jay WrightP195P1955218/7/2013 
                  72066Mr. William Keith WorshamP195P1955228/14/2013 
                  79327John Anthony Cleary                                                           P195P1955238/21/2013 
                  N18172Mr. Edward Paul FleetP195P19553411/7/2013

                  I have been made aware that a problem exists with testing for this SNP, P195 and some or all of the above members have been offered a refund of $39 and testing for an alternative SNP, M214 at no charge.
                   
                  Our delema begins now P195 test is not available. A member tested positive for P195 with Geno 2.0. This is the first occurence of P195 derived in Haplogroup I-M223 and other members with similar STR markers and branch SNPs were organised to test for P195 and placed orders in good faith between 10 June and 15 September 2013. The member that was positive for P195 is negative for M214 as are all other members of Haplogroup I-M223 Project that have done the Geno 2.0.
                   
                  So how will M214 replace P195 when the person that is derived for P195 is ancestral for M214? Could the Lab Director please respond back with some answers as I am unable to call or visit to discuss this being located in Australia.
                   
                  Your sincerely,
                  Wayne Roberts
                  Co-Administrator
                  Y-DNA Haplogroup I-M223 Project
                   
                   
                   
                   
                   
                • William K Worsham
                  I received the same notice. Thanks to all that helped. Sent from my iPhone ... I received the same notice. Thanks to all that helped. Sent from my iPhone On
                  Message 8 of 17 , Nov 13, 2013
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                    I received the same notice. Thanks to all that helped. 

                    Sent from my iPhone

                    On Nov 13, 2013, at 10:33 AM, <joaobraz_2000@...> wrote:

                     

                    I just received an email from FTDNA stating that the P195 test had been ordered. Good on them for keeping their word :)


                    JOAO



                    ---In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:

                    
                    Joao,
                     
                    All with results back for M214 are ancestral as we said to FTDNA they would be. I assume since the lab now has the P195 primer, they are running those tests. I'm not sure how they will report them since they deleted the orders for them when they replaced P195 with M214.
                     
                    I guess having the M214 results will in the long run assist in having P195 listed by ISOGG once we have further confirmed positive results for P195.
                     
                    Wayne
                     
                    ----- Original Message -----
                    Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:58 AM
                    Subject: RE: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                     

                    Not surprisingly, I came out as M214 negative. I just hope they will keep their promise of running the P195 test as originally ordered. 


                    JOAO

                    260237



                    ---In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:

                    
                    I have received the following message from FTDNA regarding P195. I also note that M214 has been ordered by FTDNA for each of the 6 kits. Perhaps they are going to run both SNPs. Wayne.
                     
                    Dear Mr. Roberts,

                    Thank you for all of the great information! Our lab director has the P195 primer in the lab and is working on the issue with that marker. We will re-run the P195 for all six kits once the P195 primer is vetted. I appreciate your patience and for working with us.

                    Best Regards,

                    Michelle F
                    Information Specialist
                    Family Tree DNA
                    713-868-1438

                     
                     
                     
                    ----- Original Message -----
                    Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:51 AM
                    Subject: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                     

                    

                    Joao,
                     
                    Already received a message from Michelle F. at FTDNA info asking for the kit number of the P195+ member. As has been suggested outside this list, the Lab assumed that as M214 and P195 are found close together in Haplogroup N they could substitute M214 for P195. Well excuse me Mr. Lab Director, this is not Haplogroup N. Let hope we get a good resolution of this matter. Thanks Joao, the more pressure, the better, I hope.
                     
                    Wayne
                     
                    ----- Original Message -----
                    Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:51 AM
                    Subject: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                     

                    Wayne,


                    I have sent your draft to the person I've been in contact with at FTDNA ... hopefully someone over there will read it and we will soon have an answer!


                    JOAO



                    --- In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <i-m223@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                    Dear FTDNA,
                     
                    The following Y-DNA Haplogroup I-M223 Project members have tests ordered for SNP, P195.
                     
                    39699Denis HaydeP195P1955207/31/2013 
                    260237Dr. Joao Manuel BrazP195P195
                  • EDWARD FLEET
                    I am negative for F3195 and M214 and am told by FTDNA that I will have the results for P195 by 12/31/13.                        Best
                    Message 9 of 17 , Nov 13, 2013
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                      I am negative for F3195 and M214 and am told by FTDNA that I will have the results for P195 by 12/31/13.                        Best Regards;  Ned Fleet


                      On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:45 PM, William K Worsham <worshamw@...> wrote:
                       
                      I received the same notice. Thanks to all that helped. 

                      Sent from my iPhone

                      On Nov 13, 2013, at 10:33 AM, <joaobraz_2000@...> wrote:

                       
                      I just received an email from FTDNA stating that the P195 test had been ordered. Good on them for keeping their word :)

                      JOAO


                      ---In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:

                      
                      Joao,
                       
                      All with results back for M214 are ancestral as we said to FTDNA they would be. I assume since the lab now has the P195 primer, they are running those tests. I'm not sure how they will report them since they deleted the orders for them when they replaced P195 with M214.
                       
                      I guess having the M214 results will in the long run assist in having P195 listed by ISOGG once we have further confirmed positive results for P195.
                       
                      Wayne
                       
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:58 AM
                      Subject: RE: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                       
                      Not surprisingly, I came out as M214 negative. I just hope they will keep their promise of running the P195 test as originally ordered. 

                      JOAO
                      260237


                      ---In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:

                      
                      I have received the following message from FTDNA regarding P195. I also note that M214 has been ordered by FTDNA for each of the 6 kits. Perhaps they are going to run both SNPs. Wayne.
                       
                      Dear Mr. Roberts,

                      Thank you for all of the great information! Our lab director has the P195 primer in the lab and is working on the issue with that marker. We will re-run the P195 for all six kits once the P195 primer is vetted. I appreciate your patience and for working with us.

                      Best Regards,

                      Michelle F
                      Information Specialist
                      Family Tree DNA
                      713-868-1438

                       
                       
                       
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:51 AM
                      Subject: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                       
                      
                      Joao,
                       
                      Already received a message from Michelle F. at FTDNA info asking for the kit number of the P195+ member. As has been suggested outside this list, the Lab assumed that as M214 and P195 are found close together in Haplogroup N they could substitute M214 for P195. Well excuse me Mr. Lab Director, this is not Haplogroup N. Let hope we get a good resolution of this matter. Thanks Joao, the more pressure, the better, I hope.
                       
                      Wayne
                       
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:51 AM
                      Subject: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                       
                      Wayne,

                      I have sent your draft to the person I've been in contact with at FTDNA ... hopefully someone over there will read it and we will soon have an answer!

                      JOAO


                      --- In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <i-m223@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                      Dear FTDNA,
                       
                      The following Y-DNA Haplogroup I-M223 Project members have tests ordered for SNP, P195.
                       
                      39699Denis HaydeP195P1955207/31/2013 
                      260237Dr. Joao Manuel BrazP195P195


                    • Wayne Roberts
                      The first three results for SNP P195 have come through and I expect the other three will follow over next few hours. So far Fleet kit N18172 and Worsham kit
                      Message 10 of 17 , Nov 16, 2013
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                        The first three results for SNP P195 have come through and I expect the other three will follow over next few hours.
                         
                        So far Fleet kit N18172 and Worsham kit 72066 are P195 ancestral while Wright kit 28064 is P195 derived.
                         
                        Wayne
                         
                         
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:11 AM
                        Subject: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                         

                        I am negative for F3195 and M214 and am told by FTDNA that I will have the results for P195 by 12/31/13.                        Best Regards;  Ned Fleet


                        On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:45 PM, William K Worsham <worshamw@...> wrote:
                         
                        I received the same notice. Thanks to all that helped. 

                        Sent from my iPhone

                        On Nov 13, 2013, at 10:33 AM, <joaobraz_2000@...> wrote:

                         
                        I just received an email from FTDNA stating that the P195 test had been ordered. Good on them for keeping their word :)

                        JOAO


                        ---In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:

                        
                        Joao,
                         
                        All with results back for M214 are ancestral as we said to FTDNA they would be. I assume since the lab now has the P195 primer, they are running those tests. I'm not sure how they will report them since they deleted the orders for them when they replaced P195 with M214.
                         
                        I guess having the M214 results will in the long run assist in having P195 listed by ISOGG once we have further confirmed positive results for P195.
                         
                        Wayne
                         
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:58 AM
                        Subject: RE: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                         
                        Not surprisingly, I came out as M214 negative. I just hope they will keep their promise of running the P195 test as originally ordered. 

                        JOAO
                        260237


                        ---In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:

                        
                        I have received the following message from FTDNA regarding P195. I also note that M214 has been ordered by FTDNA for each of the 6 kits. Perhaps they are going to run both SNPs. Wayne.
                         
                        Dear Mr. Roberts,

                        Thank you for all of the great information! Our lab director has the P195 primer in the lab and is working on the issue with that marker. We will re-run the P195 for all six kits once the P195 primer is vetted. I appreciate your patience and for working with us.

                        Best Regards,

                        Michelle F
                        Information Specialist
                        Family Tree DNA
                        713-868-1438

                         
                         
                         
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:51 AM
                        Subject: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                         
                        
                        Joao,
                         
                        Already received a message from Michelle F. at FTDNA info asking for the kit number of the P195+ member. As has been suggested outside this list, the Lab assumed that as M214 and P195 are found close together in Haplogroup N they could substitute M214 for P195. Well excuse me Mr. Lab Director, this is not Haplogroup N. Let hope we get a good resolution of this matter. Thanks Joao, the more pressure, the better, I hope.
                         
                        Wayne
                         
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:51 AM
                        Subject: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                         
                        Wayne,

                        I have sent your draft to the person I've been in contact with at FTDNA ... hopefully someone over there will read it and we will soon have an answer!

                        JOAO


                        --- In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <i-m223@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                        Dear FTDNA,
                         
                        The following Y-DNA Haplogroup I-M223 Project members have tests ordered for SNP, P195.
                         
                        39699Denis HaydeP195P1955207/31/2013 
                        260237Dr. Joao Manuel BrazP195P195


                      • EDWARD FLEET
                        Can I assume that P195 ancestral means that your ancestor has the mutation and that derived means that the person does not have an ancestor with that
                        Message 11 of 17 , Nov 17, 2013
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                          Can I assume that P195 ancestral means that your ancestor has the mutation and that derived means that the person does not have an ancestor with that mutation?  Ned Fleet  


                          On Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:32 AM, Wayne Roberts <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:
                           
                          
                          The first three results for SNP P195 have come through and I expect the other three will follow over next few hours.
                           
                          So far Fleet kit N18172 and Worsham kit 72066 are P195 ancestral while Wright kit 28064 is P195 derived.
                           
                          Wayne
                           
                           
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:11 AM
                          Subject: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                           
                          I am negative for F3195 and M214 and am told by FTDNA that I will have the results for P195 by 12/31/13.                        Best Regards;  Ned Fleet


                          On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:45 PM, William K Worsham <worshamw@...> wrote:
                           
                          I received the same notice. Thanks to all that helped. 

                          Sent from my iPhone

                          On Nov 13, 2013, at 10:33 AM, <joaobraz_2000@...> wrote:

                           
                          I just received an email from FTDNA stating that the P195 test had been ordered. Good on them for keeping their word :)

                          JOAO


                          ---In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:

                          
                          Joao,
                           
                          All with results back for M214 are ancestral as we said to FTDNA they would be. I assume since the lab now has the P195 primer, they are running those tests. I'm not sure how they will report them since they deleted the orders for them when they replaced P195 with M214.
                           
                          I guess having the M214 results will in the long run assist in having P195 listed by ISOGG once we have further confirmed positive results for P195.
                           
                          Wayne
                           
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:58 AM
                          Subject: RE: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                           
                          Not surprisingly, I came out as M214 negative. I just hope they will keep their promise of running the P195 test as originally ordered. 

                          JOAO
                          260237


                          ---In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:

                          
                          I have received the following message from FTDNA regarding P195. I also note that M214 has been ordered by FTDNA for each of the 6 kits. Perhaps they are going to run both SNPs. Wayne.
                           
                          Dear Mr. Roberts,

                          Thank you for all of the great information! Our lab director has the P195 primer in the lab and is working on the issue with that marker. We will re-run the P195 for all six kits once the P195 primer is vetted. I appreciate your patience and for working with us.

                          Best Regards,

                          Michelle F
                          Information Specialist
                          Family Tree DNA
                          713-868-1438

                           
                           
                           
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:51 AM
                          Subject: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                           
                          
                          Joao,
                           
                          Already received a message from Michelle F. at FTDNA info asking for the kit number of the P195+ member. As has been suggested outside this list, the Lab assumed that as M214 and P195 are found close together in Haplogroup N they could substitute M214 for P195. Well excuse me Mr. Lab Director, this is not Haplogroup N. Let hope we get a good resolution of this matter. Thanks Joao, the more pressure, the better, I hope.
                           
                          Wayne
                           
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:51 AM
                          Subject: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                           
                          Wayne,

                          I have sent your draft to the person I've been in contact with at FTDNA ... hopefully someone over there will read it and we will soon have an answer!

                          JOAO


                          --- In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <i-m223@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                          Dear FTDNA,
                           
                          The following Y-DNA Haplogroup I-M223 Project members have tests ordered for SNP, P195.
                           
                          39699Denis HaydeP195P1955207/31/2013 
                          260237Dr. Joao Manuel BrazP195P195




                        • William K Worsham
                          My page shows that I am P195- Worsham Sent from my iPhone ... My page shows that I am P195- Worsham Sent from my iPhone On Nov 17, 2013, at 8:48 AM, EDWARD
                          Message 12 of 17 , Nov 17, 2013
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                            My page shows that I am P195-    Worsham

                            Sent from my iPhone

                            On Nov 17, 2013, at 8:48 AM, EDWARD FLEET <nedepfleet@...> wrote:

                             

                            Can I assume that P195 ancestral means that your ancestor has the mutation and that derived means that the person does not have an ancestor with that mutation?  Ned Fleet  


                            On Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:32 AM, Wayne Roberts <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:
                             
                            
                            The first three results for SNP P195 have come through and I expect the other three will follow over next few hours.
                             
                            So far Fleet kit N18172 and Worsham kit 72066 are P195 ancestral while Wright kit 28064 is P195 derived.
                             
                            Wayne
                             
                             
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:11 AM
                            Subject: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                             
                            I am negative for F3195 and M214 and am told by FTDNA that I will have the results for P195 by 12/31/13.                        Best Regards;  Ned Fleet


                            On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:45 PM, William K Worsham <worshamw@...> wrote:
                             
                            I received the same notice. Thanks to all that helped. 

                            Sent from my iPhone

                            On Nov 13, 2013, at 10:33 AM, <joaobraz_2000@...> wrote:

                             
                            I just received an email from FTDNA stating that the P195 test had been ordered. Good on them for keeping their word :)

                            JOAO


                            ---In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:

                            
                            Joao,
                             
                            All with results back for M214 are ancestral as we said to FTDNA they would be. I assume since the lab now has the P195 primer, they are running those tests. I'm not sure how they will report them since they deleted the orders for them when they replaced P195 with M214.
                             
                            I guess having the M214 results will in the long run assist in having P195 listed by ISOGG once we have further confirmed positive results for P195.
                             
                            Wayne
                             
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:58 AM
                            Subject: RE: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                             
                            Not surprisingly, I came out as M214 negative. I just hope they will keep their promise of running the P195 test as originally ordered. 

                            JOAO
                            260237


                            ---In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:

                            
                            I have received the following message from FTDNA regarding P195. I also note that M214 has been ordered by FTDNA for each of the 6 kits. Perhaps they are going to run both SNPs. Wayne.
                             
                            Dear Mr. Roberts,

                            Thank you for all of the great information! Our lab director has the P195 primer in the lab and is working on the issue with that marker. We will re-run the P195 for all six kits once the P195 primer is vetted. I appreciate your patience and for working with us.

                            Best Regards,

                            Michelle F
                            Information Specialist
                            Family Tree DNA
                            713-868-1438

                             
                             
                             
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:51 AM
                            Subject: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                             
                            
                            Joao,
                             
                            Already received a message from Michelle F. at FTDNA info asking for the kit number of the P195+ member. As has been suggested outside this list, the Lab assumed that as M214 and P195 are found close together in Haplogroup N they could substitute M214 for P195. Well excuse me Mr. Lab Director, this is not Haplogroup N. Let hope we get a good resolution of this matter. Thanks Joao, the more pressure, the better, I hope.
                             
                            Wayne
                             
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:51 AM
                            Subject: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                             
                            Wayne,

                            I have sent your draft to the person I've been in contact with at FTDNA ... hopefully someone over there will read it and we will soon have an answer!

                            JOAO
                          • EDWARD FLEET
                            I am also P195-, and I thought that means that it is not ancestral.   Ned Fleet On Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:56 AM, William K Worsham
                            Message 13 of 17 , Nov 17, 2013
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                              I am also P195-, and I thought that means that it is not ancestral.   Ned Fleet


                              On Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:56 AM, William K Worsham <worshamw@...> wrote:
                               
                              My page shows that I am P195-    Worsham

                              Sent from my iPhone

                              On Nov 17, 2013, at 8:48 AM, EDWARD FLEET <nedepfleet@...> wrote:

                               
                              Can I assume that P195 ancestral means that your ancestor has the mutation and that derived means that the person does not have an ancestor with that mutation?  Ned Fleet  


                              On Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:32 AM, Wayne Roberts <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:
                               
                              
                              The first three results for SNP P195 have come through and I expect the other three will follow over next few hours.
                               
                              So far Fleet kit N18172 and Worsham kit 72066 are P195 ancestral while Wright kit 28064 is P195 derived.
                               
                              Wayne
                               
                               
                              ----- Original Message -----
                              Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:11 AM
                              Subject: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                               
                              I am negative for F3195 and M214 and am told by FTDNA that I will have the results for P195 by 12/31/13.                        Best Regards;  Ned Fleet


                              On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:45 PM, William K Worsham <worshamw@...> wrote:
                               
                              I received the same notice. Thanks to all that helped. 

                              Sent from my iPhone

                              On Nov 13, 2013, at 10:33 AM, <joaobraz_2000@...> wrote:

                               
                              I just received an email from FTDNA stating that the P195 test had been ordered. Good on them for keeping their word :)

                              JOAO


                              ---In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:

                              
                              Joao,
                               
                              All with results back for M214 are ancestral as we said to FTDNA they would be. I assume since the lab now has the P195 primer, they are running those tests. I'm not sure how they will report them since they deleted the orders for them when they replaced P195 with M214.
                               
                              I guess having the M214 results will in the long run assist in having P195 listed by ISOGG once we have further confirmed positive results for P195.
                               
                              Wayne
                               
                              ----- Original Message -----
                              Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:58 AM
                              Subject: RE: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                               
                              Not surprisingly, I came out as M214 negative. I just hope they will keep their promise of running the P195 test as originally ordered. 

                              JOAO
                              260237


                              ---In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:

                              
                              I have received the following message from FTDNA regarding P195. I also note that M214 has been ordered by FTDNA for each of the 6 kits. Perhaps they are going to run both SNPs. Wayne.
                               
                              Dear Mr. Roberts,

                              Thank you for all of the great information! Our lab director has the P195 primer in the lab and is working on the issue with that marker. We will re-run the P195 for all six kits once the P195 primer is vetted. I appreciate your patience and for working with us.

                              Best Regards,

                              Michelle F
                              Information Specialist
                              Family Tree DNA
                              713-868-1438

                               
                               
                               
                              ----- Original Message -----
                              Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:51 AM
                              Subject: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                               
                              
                              Joao,
                               
                              Already received a message from Michelle F. at FTDNA info asking for the kit number of the P195+ member. As has been suggested outside this list, the Lab assumed that as M214 and P195 are found close together in Haplogroup N they could substitute M214 for P195. Well excuse me Mr. Lab Director, this is not Haplogroup N. Let hope we get a good resolution of this matter. Thanks Joao, the more pressure, the better, I hope.
                               
                              Wayne
                               
                              ----- Original Message -----
                              Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:51 AM
                              Subject: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                               
                              Wayne,

                              I have sent your draft to the person I've been in contact with at FTDNA ... hopefully someone over there will read it and we will soon have an answer!

                              JOAO


                            • William K Worsham
                              I am new to this also but I tested negative for P195. Sent from my iPhone ... I am new to this also but I tested negative for P195. Sent from my iPhone On Nov
                              Message 14 of 17 , Nov 17, 2013
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                                I am new to this also but I tested negative for P195. 

                                Sent from my iPhone

                                On Nov 17, 2013, at 10:31 AM, EDWARD FLEET <nedepfleet@...> wrote:

                                 

                                I am also P195-, and I thought that means that it is not ancestral.   Ned Fleet


                                On Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:56 AM, William K Worsham <worshamw@...> wrote:
                                 
                                My page shows that I am P195-    Worsham

                                Sent from my iPhone

                                On Nov 17, 2013, at 8:48 AM, EDWARD FLEET <nedepfleet@...> wrote:

                                 
                                Can I assume that P195 ancestral means that your ancestor has the mutation and that derived means that the person does not have an ancestor with that mutation?  Ned Fleet  


                                On Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:32 AM, Wayne Roberts <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:
                                 
                                
                                The first three results for SNP P195 have come through and I expect the other three will follow over next few hours.
                                 
                                So far Fleet kit N18172 and Worsham kit 72066 are P195 ancestral while Wright kit 28064 is P195 derived.
                                 
                                Wayne
                                 
                                 
                                ----- Original Message -----
                                Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:11 AM
                                Subject: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                                 
                                I am negative for F3195 and M214 and am told by FTDNA that I will have the results for P195 by 12/31/13.                        Best Regards;  Ned Fleet


                                On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:45 PM, William K Worsham <worshamw@...> wrote:
                                 
                                I received the same notice. Thanks to all that helped. 

                                Sent from my iPhone

                                On Nov 13, 2013, at 10:33 AM, <joaobraz_2000@...> wrote:

                                 
                                I just received an email from FTDNA stating that the P195 test had been ordered. Good on them for keeping their word :)

                                JOAO


                                ---In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:

                                
                                Joao,
                                 
                                All with results back for M214 are ancestral as we said to FTDNA they would be. I assume since the lab now has the P195 primer, they are running those tests. I'm not sure how they will report them since they deleted the orders for them when they replaced P195 with M214.
                                 
                                I guess having the M214 results will in the long run assist in having P195 listed by ISOGG once we have further confirmed positive results for P195.
                                 
                                Wayne
                                 
                                ----- Original Message -----
                                Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:58 AM
                                Subject: RE: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                                 
                                Not surprisingly, I came out as M214 negative. I just hope they will keep their promise of running the P195 test as originally ordered. 

                                JOAO
                                260237


                                ---In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:

                                
                                I have received the following message from FTDNA regarding P195. I also note that M214 has been ordered by FTDNA for each of the 6 kits. Perhaps they are going to run both SNPs. Wayne.
                                 
                                Dear Mr. Roberts,

                                Thank you for all of the great information! Our lab director has the P195 primer in the lab and is working on the issue with that marker. We will re-run the P195 for all six kits once the P195 primer is vetted. I appreciate your patience and for working with us.

                                Best Regards,

                                Michelle F
                                Information Specialist
                                Family Tree DNA
                                713-868-1438

                                 
                                 
                                 
                                ----- Original Message -----
                                Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:51 AM
                                Subject: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                                 
                                
                                Joao,
                                 
                                Already received a message from Michelle F. at FTDNA info asking for the kit number of the P195+ member. As has been suggested outside this list, the Lab assumed that as M214 and P195 are found close together in Haplogroup N they could substitute M214 for P195. Well excuse me Mr. Lab Director, this is not Haplogroup N. Let hope we get a good resolution of this matter. Thanks Joao, the more pressure, the better, I hope.
                                 
                                Wayne
                                 
                                ----- Original Message -----
                                Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:51 AM
                              • PDR48X2Z22L@...
                                Hi Edward,  Negative SNPs are ancestral, which means they are shared by most people in that general grouping.  Positive SNPs are derived, that is, they are
                                Message 15 of 17 , Nov 17, 2013
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                                  Hi Edward,  Negative SNPs are ancestral, which means they are shared by most people in that general grouping.  Positive SNPs are derived, that is, they are mutated, and direct you down a particular branch.
                                   
                                  Denise


                                  -----Original Message-----
                                  From: EDWARD FLEET <nedepfleet@...>
                                  To: I-M223 <I-M223@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:32 am
                                  Subject: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                                   
                                  I am also P195-, and I thought that means that it is not ancestral.   Ned Fleet


                                  On Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:56 AM, William K Worsham <worshamw@...> wrote:
                                   
                                  My page shows that I am P195-    Worsham

                                  Sent from my iPhone

                                  On Nov 17, 2013, at 8:48 AM, EDWARD FLEET <nedepfleet@...> wrote:

                                   
                                  Can I assume that P195 ancestral means that your ancestor has the mutation and that derived means that the person does not have an ancestor with that mutation?  Ned Fleet  


                                  On Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:32 AM, Wayne Roberts <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:
                                   
                                  
                                  The first three results for SNP P195 have come through and I expect the other three will follow over next few hours.
                                   
                                  So far Fleet kit N18172 and Worsham kit 72066 are P195 ancestral while Wright kit 28064 is P195 derived.
                                   
                                  Wayne
                                   
                                   
                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:11 AM
                                  Subject: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                                   
                                  I am negative for F3195 and M214 and am told by FTDNA that I will have the results for P195 by 12/31/13.                        Best Regards;  Ned Fleet


                                  On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:45 PM, William K Worsham <worshamw@...> wrote:
                                   
                                  I received the same notice. Thanks to all that helped. 

                                  Sent from my iPhone

                                  On Nov 13, 2013, at 10:33 AM, <joaobraz_2000@...> wrote:

                                   
                                  I just received an email from FTDNA stating that the P195 test had been ordered. Good on them for keeping their word :)

                                  JOAO


                                  ---In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:

                                  
                                  Joao,
                                   
                                  All with results back for M214 are ancestral as we said to FTDNA they would be. I assume since the lab now has the P195 primer, they are running those tests. I'm not sure how they will report them since they deleted the orders for them when they replaced P195 with M214.
                                   
                                  I guess having the M214 results will in the long run assist in having P195 listed by ISOGG once we have further confirmed positive results for P195.
                                   
                                  Wayne
                                   
                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:58 AM
                                  Subject: RE: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                                   
                                  Not surprisingly, I came out as M214 negative. I just hope they will keep their promise of running the P195 test as originally ordered. 

                                  JOAO
                                  260237


                                  ---In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:

                                  
                                  I have received the following message from FTDNA regarding P195. I also note that M214 has been ordered by FTDNA for each of the 6 kits. Perhaps they are going to run both SNPs. Wayne.
                                   
                                  Dear Mr. Roberts,

                                  Thank you for all of the great information! Our lab director has the P195 primer in the lab and is working on the issue with that marker. We will re-run the P195 for all six kits once the P195 primer is vetted. I appreciate your patience and for working with us.

                                  Best Regards,

                                  Michelle F
                                  Information Specialist
                                  Family Tree DNA
                                  713-868-1438

                                   
                                   
                                   
                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:51 AM
                                  Subject: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                                   
                                  
                                  Joao,
                                   
                                  Already received a message from Michelle F. at FTDNA info asking for the kit number of the P195+ member. As has been suggested outside this list, the Lab assumed that as M214 and P195 are found close together in Haplogroup N they could substitute M214 for P195. Well excuse me Mr. Lab Director, this is not Haplogroup N. Let hope we get a good resolution of this matter. Thanks Joao, the more pressure, the better, I hope.
                                   
                                  Wayne
                                   
                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:51 AM
                                  Subject: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                                   
                                  Wayne,

                                  I have sent your draft to the person I've been in contact with at FTDNA ... hopefully someone over there will read it and we will soon have an answer!

                                  JOAO


                                • Wayne Roberts
                                  Thanks Denise for answering that question from Edward. I am away in Wollongong, south of Sydney for a couple of days to visit a gravely ill aunt. Thus I do not
                                  Message 16 of 17 , Nov 17, 2013
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                                    Thanks Denise for answering that question from Edward. I am away in Wollongong, south of Sydney for a couple of days to visit a gravely ill aunt. Thus I do not get to see messages as frequently as when I am home in Brisbane.
                                     
                                    John Cleary has also returned a P195+ result while Braz is P195- as expected from his Geno 2.0 results which came in after he has ordered P195 back mid year.
                                     
                                    Wayne
                                     
                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 3:27 AM
                                    Subject: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                                     

                                    Hi Edward,  Negative SNPs are ancestral, which means they are shared by most people in that general grouping.  Positive SNPs are derived, that is, they are mutated, and direct you down a particular branch.
                                     
                                    Denise


                                    -----Original Message-----
                                    From: EDWARD FLEET <nedepfleet@...>
                                    To: I-M223 <I-M223@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:32 am
                                    Subject: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                                     
                                    I am also P195-, and I thought that means that it is not ancestral.   Ned Fleet


                                    On Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:56 AM, William K Worsham <worshamw@...> wrote:
                                     
                                    My page shows that I am P195-    Worsham

                                    Sent from my iPhone

                                    On Nov 17, 2013, at 8:48 AM, EDWARD FLEET <nedepfleet@...> wrote:

                                     
                                    Can I assume that P195 ancestral means that your ancestor has the mutation and that derived means that the person does not have an ancestor with that mutation?  Ned Fleet  


                                    On Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:32 AM, Wayne Roberts <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:
                                     
                                    
                                    The first three results for SNP P195 have come through and I expect the other three will follow over next few hours.
                                     
                                    So far Fleet kit N18172 and Worsham kit 72066 are P195 ancestral while Wright kit 28064 is P195 derived.
                                     
                                    Wayne
                                     
                                     
                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:11 AM
                                    Subject: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                                     
                                    I am negative for F3195 and M214 and am told by FTDNA that I will have the results for P195 by 12/31/13.                        Best Regards;  Ned Fleet


                                    On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:45 PM, William K Worsham <worshamw@...> wrote:
                                     
                                    I received the same notice. Thanks to all that helped. 

                                    Sent from my iPhone

                                    On Nov 13, 2013, at 10:33 AM, <joaobraz_2000@...> wrote:

                                     
                                    I just received an email from FTDNA stating that the P195 test had been ordered. Good on them for keeping their word :)

                                    JOAO


                                    ---In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:

                                    
                                    Joao,
                                     
                                    All with results back for M214 are ancestral as we said to FTDNA they would be. I assume since the lab now has the P195 primer, they are running those tests. I'm not sure how they will report them since they deleted the orders for them when they replaced P195 with M214.
                                     
                                    I guess having the M214 results will in the long run assist in having P195 listed by ISOGG once we have further confirmed positive results for P195.
                                     
                                    Wayne
                                     
                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:58 AM
                                    Subject: RE: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                                     
                                    Not surprisingly, I came out as M214 negative. I just hope they will keep their promise of running the P195 test as originally ordered. 

                                    JOAO
                                    260237


                                    ---In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:

                                    
                                    I have received the following message from FTDNA regarding P195. I also note that M214 has been ordered by FTDNA for each of the 6 kits. Perhaps they are going to run both SNPs. Wayne.
                                     
                                    Dear Mr. Roberts,

                                    Thank you for all of the great information! Our lab director has the P195 primer in the lab and is working on the issue with that marker. We will re-run the P195 for all six kits once the P195 primer is vetted. I appreciate your patience and for working with us.

                                    Best Regards,

                                    Michelle F
                                    Information Specialist
                                    Family Tree DNA
                                    713-868-1438

                                     
                                     
                                     
                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:51 AM
                                    Subject: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                                     
                                    
                                    Joao,
                                     
                                    Already received a message from Michelle F. at FTDNA info asking for the kit number of the P195+ member. As has been suggested outside this list, the Lab assumed that as M214 and P195 are found close together in Haplogroup N they could substitute M214 for P195. Well excuse me Mr. Lab Director, this is not Haplogroup N. Let hope we get a good resolution of this matter. Thanks Joao, the more pressure, the better, I hope.
                                     
                                    Wayne
                                     
                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:51 AM
                                    Subject: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                                     
                                    Wayne,

                                    I have sent your draft to the person I've been in contact with at FTDNA ... hopefully someone over there will read it and we will soon have an answer!

                                    JOAO


                                  • Wayne Roberts
                                    We have a new problem now with the P195+. FTDNA are reporting Cleary and Wright as Haplogroup N-M214 despite them testing M214- and previously being in
                                    Message 17 of 17 , Nov 17, 2013
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                                      We have a new problem now with the P195+. FTDNA are reporting Cleary and Wright as Haplogroup N-M214 despite them testing M214- and previously being in Haplogroup I-M223. We may need to test them for M223 and/or L1198 as proof they are in I-M223. I'll contact FTDNA about it after I return home tomorrow.
                                       
                                      Wayne
                                       
                                       
                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 9:25 AM
                                      Subject: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                                       

                                      

                                      Thanks Denise for answering that question from Edward. I am away in Wollongong, south of Sydney for a couple of days to visit a gravely ill aunt. Thus I do not get to see messages as frequently as when I am home in Brisbane.
                                       
                                      John Cleary has also returned a P195+ result while Braz is P195- as expected from his Geno 2.0 results which came in after he has ordered P195 back mid year.
                                       
                                      Wayne
                                       
                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 3:27 AM
                                      Subject: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                                       

                                      Hi Edward,  Negative SNPs are ancestral, which means they are shared by most people in that general grouping.  Positive SNPs are derived, that is, they are mutated, and direct you down a particular branch.
                                       
                                      Denise


                                      -----Original Message-----
                                      From: EDWARD FLEET <nedepfleet@...>
                                      To: I-M223 <I-M223@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Sent: Sun, Nov 17, 2013 11:32 am
                                      Subject: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                                       
                                      I am also P195-, and I thought that means that it is not ancestral.   Ned Fleet


                                      On Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:56 AM, William K Worsham <worshamw@...> wrote:
                                       
                                      My page shows that I am P195-    Worsham

                                      Sent from my iPhone

                                      On Nov 17, 2013, at 8:48 AM, EDWARD FLEET <nedepfleet@...> wrote:

                                       
                                      Can I assume that P195 ancestral means that your ancestor has the mutation and that derived means that the person does not have an ancestor with that mutation?  Ned Fleet  


                                      On Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:32 AM, Wayne Roberts <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:
                                       
                                      
                                      The first three results for SNP P195 have come through and I expect the other three will follow over next few hours.
                                       
                                      So far Fleet kit N18172 and Worsham kit 72066 are P195 ancestral while Wright kit 28064 is P195 derived.
                                       
                                      Wayne
                                       
                                       
                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:11 AM
                                      Subject: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                                       
                                      I am negative for F3195 and M214 and am told by FTDNA that I will have the results for P195 by 12/31/13.                        Best Regards;  Ned Fleet


                                      On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:45 PM, William K Worsham <worshamw@...> wrote:
                                       
                                      I received the same notice. Thanks to all that helped. 

                                      Sent from my iPhone

                                      On Nov 13, 2013, at 10:33 AM, <joaobraz_2000@...> wrote:

                                       
                                      I just received an email from FTDNA stating that the P195 test had been ordered. Good on them for keeping their word :)

                                      JOAO


                                      ---In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:

                                      
                                      Joao,
                                       
                                      All with results back for M214 are ancestral as we said to FTDNA they would be. I assume since the lab now has the P195 primer, they are running those tests. I'm not sure how they will report them since they deleted the orders for them when they replaced P195 with M214.
                                       
                                      I guess having the M214 results will in the long run assist in having P195 listed by ISOGG once we have further confirmed positive results for P195.
                                       
                                      Wayne
                                       
                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:58 AM
                                      Subject: RE: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                                       
                                      Not surprisingly, I came out as M214 negative. I just hope they will keep their promise of running the P195 test as originally ordered. 

                                      JOAO
                                      260237


                                      ---In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, <wayne_r_roberts@...> wrote:

                                      
                                      I have received the following message from FTDNA regarding P195. I also note that M214 has been ordered by FTDNA for each of the 6 kits. Perhaps they are going to run both SNPs. Wayne.
                                       
                                      Dear Mr. Roberts,

                                      Thank you for all of the great information! Our lab director has the P195 primer in the lab and is working on the issue with that marker. We will re-run the P195 for all six kits once the P195 primer is vetted. I appreciate your patience and for working with us.

                                      Best Regards,

                                      Michelle F
                                      Information Specialist
                                      Family Tree DNA
                                      713-868-1438

                                       
                                       
                                       
                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 8:51 AM
                                      Subject: Re: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                                       
                                      
                                      Joao,
                                       
                                      Already received a message from Michelle F. at FTDNA info asking for the kit number of the P195+ member. As has been suggested outside this list, the Lab assumed that as M214 and P195 are found close together in Haplogroup N they could substitute M214 for P195. Well excuse me Mr. Lab Director, this is not Haplogroup N. Let hope we get a good resolution of this matter. Thanks Joao, the more pressure, the better, I hope.
                                       
                                      Wayne
                                       
                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 4:51 AM
                                      Subject: [I-M223] RE: Please explain the situation with SNP P195

                                       
                                      Wayne,

                                      I have sent your draft to the person I've been in contact with at FTDNA ... hopefully someone over there will read it and we will soon have an answer!

                                      JOAO


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