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Use of 6 snps in L701 sector of M223

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  • Scott E. Stewart
    Attached is Dr Nordtvedt s June 2, 2013 M223 x Z161 Sector Tree reflecting the positioning of L1443, PF6896, PF6899, PF6902:
    Message 1 of 2 , Jul 3, 2013
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      Attached is Dr Nordtvedt's June 2, 2013 M223 x Z161 Sector Tree reflecting the positioning of L1443, PF6896, PF6899, PF6902:

      http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net/

       

      http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I/2013-07/1372863654

      "In the L701 sector of M223 tree (see Tree for M223 x Z161) there are now the new snps:
      L1443
      PF6894 and PF6897
      PF6896, PF6899, and PF6902
      Review of existing information on past tests suggests that L1443 is confined to P78+ branch of this sector. But other branches of the L701 sector might wish to confirm this confinement.
      PF6894 and PF6897 are phyloequivalent to L701/L702 and should be found derived in ALL branches of this sector. These branches include P78+, ContXX branch with L703+ L699+, the XX19 clade branch with L704+, and the present singleton Wilson with L1226+.
      PF6896, PF6899, and PF6902 were found in Wilson Geno2 raw data. But we don’t know how far upstream they sit in the sector’s tree, except that P78+ is ancestral for these three snps. All the other branches of this sector should test for these three snps.
      So we should petition Dr Krahn to get all these new snps into the FTDNA catalog.
      Updated “Tree for M223 x Z161” includes the information discussed above.
      - - - -
      Kenneth Nordtvedt"


      -----Original Message-----
      From: Wayne Roberts
      Sent: Jul 3, 2013 6:48 AM
      To: I-M223@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [I-M223] Re: New SNP - L1443 

      Hi Eric,
       
      Can you send the data file to Aaron and I please. Congratulations, by the way.
       
      Wayne
       
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 9:17 PM
      Subject: Re: [I-M223] Re: New SNP - L1443

       

      Hi, Guys.

      Yup, that's me.  I sent the data to Ken last night.

      His response was as you quote above, but included the preface, "Yikes!"

      I think that makes a total of four new SNPs in my DNA.

      So, despite my lack of fully understanding, it looks like the data was helpful.

      Enjoy.


       
      Cheers;
       
      E!

      Haplotype I2a2a2b  (I-L704)
       


      On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:04 AM, hstyri <styri@...> wrote:
       

      Ken Nordtvedt just posted:
      "We found three new snps in a L704 L699 person's GENO2. PF6896, 6899, 6902.
      And he shows derived for the two PF6894 and PF6897 found derived in P78+.
      This moves these two upstream to be phyloequiv to L701."

      And...

      "And this person does not show no call at F2947, suggesting that he is
      ancestral for new snp L1443. This would put L1443 on the P78+ branch line."

      Your Geno 2.0 raw data would be useful to confirm these findings (if the above data wasn't your data). I guess that you should send the file to Wayne. Then he will forward it to Ken and others who use it for analyses.

      Regards,
      H.Styri

      --- In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, "Wilson, Eric" <eric@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hey Guys,
      >
      > I had offered to test L1443 (L701/L702+, L699/L703+, L704+ & *L1226+*)
      > because my Geno2 third sample was stuck at 20%, so I did not have a high
      > degree of confidence I would see results anytime soon.
      >
      > As luck would have it, the results posted today.
      >
      > I've attempted to transfer the results to FTDNA, but recived an error:
      >
      > "The kit you have entered already has Y-DNA STR data, new Y-DNA STR
      > data cannot be transfered."
      >
      > In any case, I have the Geno2 results. If someone might tell me how to get
      > them to our Administrators, I'll do so.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Cheers;
      >
      > *E!*
      >
      > Haplotype I2a2a2b (I-L704)
      >
      >
      >
      > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Wilson, Eric <eric@...> wrote:
      >
      > > H Guys;
      > >
      > > I am L701/L702+, L699/L703+, L704+ & L1226+.
      > >
      > > Would you like me to test for L1443?
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Cheers;
      > >
      > > *E!*
      > >
      > > Haplotype I2a2a2b (I-L704)
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:29 PM, hstyri <styri@...> wrote:
      > >
      > >> **
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> The following messages were posted by Ken Nordtvedt in the rootsweb
      > >> haplogroup I forum:
      > >>
      > >> "Three P78+ raw data Geno2 files show no calls at F2947, but many dozens
      > >> of other haplogroup I data all show ancestral. We asked Dr Krahn to look in
      > >> the near vicinity of F2947 to see if P78+ people had a real snp so close it
      > >> interfered with the measurement of F2947. That indeed turned out to be the
      > >> case. A real snp exists for P78+ at position 17649295, one base away from
      > >> F2947."
      > >>
      > >> And:
      > >>
      > >> "We will now need diverse P78+ to test L1443, but as well some tests
      > >> slightly upstream in L701+ sector to pin down where this snp actually
      > >> lives in the tree."
      > >>
      > >> Regards,
      > >> H.Styri
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >
      > >
      >


    • Scott E. Stewart
      For people who are Continental 3a-XX (L703+ and L704-), including the list of people below in the Project, FTDNA has listed PF6899 as a single order SNP: L703*
      Message 2 of 2 , Jan 13, 2014
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        For people who are Continental 3a-XX (L703+ and L704-), including the list of people below in the Project, FTDNA has listed PF6899 as a single order SNP:

        L703* (Cont3a - XX):  95786 Dawes, N42109 Tate, 105628 Looney, 97706 Bryan, 118436 Morgan, 44624 Morgan, 227352 Morgan, 24276 Morgan, 110358 Johnson, 219119 Courtadiou, 220334 HATCH, 71049 Fábián, 183479 Hatch, 183480 Hatch, 79691 Fabian, 88305 Krahn, 72901 Krahn, 316485 Georgia, 116271 Feller

        All people who are L704+ should be PF6899+, but only one L703+ and L704- person has tested and that was Morgan 24276, who was PF6899+.  The remainder of M223+ people should be PF6899-.  FTDNA has not disclosed whether PF6899 will be in Big Y, it is included in Geno 2.0, and I’m uncertain whether it is in Chromo 2.0, so you may want to wait if you’re doing one of those.  Below is the first post on RootsWeb discussing PF6899:

        http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I/2013-07/1372863654

        "In the L701 sector of M223 tree (see Tree for M223 x Z161) there are now the new snps:

        …PF6896, PF6899, and PF6902
        …PF6896,
        PF6899, and PF6902 were found in Wilson Geno2 raw data. But we don’t know how far upstream they sit in the sector’s tree, except that P78+ is ancestral for these three snps. All the other branches of this sector should test for these three snps.
        So we should petition Dr Krahn to get all these new snps into the FTDNA catalog.
        Updated “Tree for M223 x Z161” includes the information discussed above.”

        http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net/

         

        http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net/Tree%20for%20M223%20x%20Z161.pptx
        - - - -
        Kenneth Nordtvedt"

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