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Re: L1198 / Z 185

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  • joaobraz_2000
    Hello all, I m Z185+ ... so no suprise I guess since all L1198+ people have tested + for this SNP so far). Waiting on F3195 test result now ... JOAO
    Message 1 of 14 , May 7, 2013
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      Hello all,

      I'm Z185+ ... so no suprise I guess since all L1198+ people have tested + for this SNP so far). Waiting on F3195 test result now ...

      JOAO



      --- In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Salles Torres <sallfertorr@...> wrote:
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      > Hello, Jaco
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      > This tree is inaccurate. We cannot say that Z185 is downstream from L1198. People are jumping to that conclusion too quickly because L1198+ people have also turned out to be Z185+. But again, not enough L1198- people have tested. Z185 may be immediately upstream from
      > L1198 and they may have occurred in a small historical interval. As an example, all L1198+ individuals are also Z78+, which doesn't mean Z78 is downstream from L1198, quite the contrary.
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      > I would not recommend testing for this SNP within your L1198- group if I knew Z185's position on the tree and if I were certain you'd be negative. We're still in the investigatory phase, that is why your results are so useful (both with regards to Z185 and Z171). Anyone who says they know anything about Z185 and Z171 are doing guess work, not scientific research.
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      > Thanks,
      > Aaron
      > Torres
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      > --- On Wed, 11/14/12, Jaco Strauss <jacostrauss@...> wrote:
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      > From: Jaco Strauss <jacostrauss@...>
      > Subject: Re: L1198 / Z 185
      > To: "Aaron Salles Torres" <sallestorres@...>
      > Cc: "I-M223" <I-M223@yahoogroups.com>
      > Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2012, 7:04 AM
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      > Hi Aaron
      > I see Ken Nordtvedt has placed Z185 downstream of L1198. http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net/Tree for M223+.pdf
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      > I am negative for L1198 and have already tested for the downstream Z79. I would really not like to test for some other SNP downstream of one I am already negative for. 
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      > Z171 at least has an outside chance of being upstream of L1198. Or do you disagree with Ken's tree?
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      > Regards
      > Jaco
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      > 2012/11/9 Aaron Salles Torres <sallestorres@...>
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      > Hello, Jaco
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      > No conclusions can be reached about Z185 and Z171 yet. We need more results to know if these SNP's can be helpful breaking down the L1198- community. That is why I am encouraging tests within Z78* individuals (all L1198+ individuals have been positive for these SNP's so far).
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      > Thanks,
      > Aaron
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      > --- On Fri, 11/9/12, Jaco Strauss <jacostrauss@...> wrote:
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      > From: Jaco Strauss <jacostrauss@...>
      > Subject: Re: L1198 / Z 185
      > To: "I-M223" <I-M223@yahoogroups.com>
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      > Date: Friday, November 9, 2012, 5:38 AM
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      > Hi Aaron
      > As you know I am Z78+ but L1198- and Z79-
      > From the Project I understand that
      > Z78+ also means that I would be M223+ >Z161+ >L801+ Z76+
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      > Downstream from Z78 we seem to have something like:
      > Z78+ > L1198+ >Z185+ > Z171+ > Z79+
      > or Z78+ > L1198+ > Z171+ >Z185+ > Z79+
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      > orZ78+ > Z185+ > Z171+ > L1198+ >Z79+etc...
      > Looking at current results as published by http://www.semargl.me/en/dna/ydna/item-snp/1397/%c2%a0one can deduce the following:
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      > NORRIS      Z78+ > L1198+ >Z185+ > Z171? Z79+HAKULI       Z78+ > L1198+ >Z185? > Z171? Z79+MCCALL     Z78+ > L1198+ >Z185+ > Z171+ Z79-
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      > WAALKES  Z78+ > L1198+ >Z185+ > Z171? Z79-
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      > GRIJPSTRA Z78+ > L1198+ >Z185? > Z171? Z79-NIELSON     Z78+ > L1198- >Z185- > Z171? Z79-
      > STRAUSS    Z78+ > L1198- >Z185? > Z171? Z79-
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      > When looking at this list, it really looks as if Z185 and Z171 could be downstream from L1198. But for that to be confirmed we need NORRIS, HAKULI, GRIJPSTRA or WAALKES to post a negative result for them.
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      > In the case of me (STRAUSS) and NIELSON any positive result would place them upstream of L1198 for which we tested negative. 
      > I have recently ordered FF tests for both my parents as well as my wife so held back a little on more SNP testing. If I were to test either Z185 or Z171 first, which would be expected to be the more helpful?
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      > Regards
      > -- 
      > Jaco Strauss
      > Cape Town
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      > 1aRe: L1198 / Z 185
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      > Thu Nov 8, 2012 4:08 am (PST) . Posted by:"sallfertorr" sallfertorr
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      > Hello, all
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      > It is too early to say that L1198 and Z185 are phyloequivalent. We need Cont1 individuals to test Z78 and L1198.
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      > Then, we need Z78* members to test Z185 and Z171. We do not have nearly enough results to reach any conclusions yet.
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      > Thanks,
      > Aaron Torres
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