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  • joaobraz_2000
    Hello everyone, Being an FTDNA customer (with an haplogroup already predicted by FT), is there any benefit in joining the Geneographic project other than
    Message 1 of 11 , Dec 19, 2012
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      Hello everyone,

      Being an FTDNA customer (with an haplogroup already predicted by FT), is there any benefit in joining the Geneographic project other than increasing their database? Thanks and happy holidays y'all :)

      JOAO
    • Robert E. Hausman
      . In response to Joao. I had a confirmed haplotype previously and participated in the Gen 2 project. For what it s worth, my results went from the following on
      Message 2 of 11 , Dec 20, 2012
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        In response to Joao.

        I had a confirmed haplotype previously and participated in the Gen 2  project. For what it's worth, my results went from the following on FT DNA:

        Your Haplogroup

         

        I2b1

        Z77+ Z76+ Z186+ Z161+ P38+ P19+ M258+ M223+ M170+ L801+ ZS26- ZS16- Z79- Z78- P95- P78- P37.2- P30- M72- M379- M307- M284- M26- M253- M227- M21- M161- L623- L147.4- L1290- L1198-

         

         to the following as filtered through FT DNA:


        Z77+ Z76+ Z186+ Z161+ V9+ V205+ V189+ V186+ P38+ P223+ P222+ P221+ P220+ P219+ P217+ P216+ P215+ P214+ P19+ P187+ P166+ P160+ P159+ P158+ P151+ P148+ P146+ P145+ P141+ P14+ P138+ P136+ P135+ P130+ P127+ P126+ P124+ P123+ M94+ M89+ M42+ M294+ M258+ M223+ M170+ M168+ M139+ L801+ L800+ L68+ L59+ L578+ L566+ L498+ L470+ L468+ L460+ L41+ L403+ L37+ L350+ L35+ L34+ L16+ L15+ L132+ ZS26- ZS16- Z79- Z78- P95- P78- P37.2- P30- M72- M379- M307- M284- M26- M253- M227- M21- M161- L623- L147.4- L1290- L1198-


        still, as I2b1. Of course, it will take time and energy on the part of all of us to see how meaningful any of these data might be.

        Rob  Hausman
      • Wayne Roberts
        However Robert, if you look under the Project s website at the SNPs tested you will see: CTS10057+, CTS10058+, CTS10100+, CTS10125+, CTS10362+, CTS109+,
        Message 3 of 11 , Dec 20, 2012
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          However Robert, if you look under the Project's website at the SNPs tested you will see:
           
          CTS10057+, CTS10058+, CTS10100+, CTS10125+, CTS10362+, CTS109+, CTS11358+, CTS11441+, CTS11575+, CTS11726+, CTS125+, CTS12632+, CTS1977+, CTS1996+, CTS2193+, CTS2392+, CTS2514+, CTS2536+, CTS3296+, CTS3326+, CTS3331+, CTS3431+, CTS3517+, CTS3536+, CTS3654+, CTS3662+, CTS3868+, CTS3996+, CTS4039+, CTS4088+, CTS429+, CTS4314+, CTS4348+, CTS4364+, CTS4368+, CTS4443+, CTS4740+, CTS4848+, CTS4982+, CTS5286+, CTS5318+, CTS5457+, CTS5532+, CTS5650+, CTS5727+, CTS5908+, CTS6135+, CTS6136+, CTS616+, CTS6265+, CTS6331+, CTS6383+, CTS674+, CTS6800+, CTS6907+, CTS6932+, CTS7329+, CTS7331+, CTS7502+, CTS7682+, CTS7831+, CTS7865+, CTS7922+, CTS7933+, CTS7934+, CTS8243+, CTS8333+, CTS8345+, CTS8420+, CTS8449+, CTS88+, CTS8876+, CTS8901+, CTS8980+, CTS9183+, CTS9240+, CTS9264+, CTS9266+, CTS9482+, CTS9782+, CTS9828+, F1046+, F1209+, F1302+, F1320+, F1329+, F1450+, F1460+, F1704+, F1714+, F1753+, F1767+, F2048+, F2075+, F2142+, F2155+, F2345+, F2366+, F2402+, F2587+, F2688+, F2710+, F2794+, F2837+, F2985+, F2993+, F3111+, F3136+, F3335+, F3368+, F3402+, F3556+, F3692+, F4188+, F719+, F922+, L1198-, L1290-, L132+, L147.4-, L15+, L16+, L34+, L35+, L350+, L37+, L403+, L41+, L460+, L468+, L470+, L498+, L566+, L578+, L59+, L623-, L68+, L748+, L751+, L755+, L756+, L758+, L772+, L781+, L800+, L801+, M139+, M161-, M168+, M170+, M21-, M223+, M227-, M235+, M253-, M258+, M26-, M284-, M294+, M307-, M379-, M42+, M72-, M89+, M94+, P123+, P124+, P126+, P127+, P130+, P135+, P136+, P138+, P14+, P141+, P145+, P146+, P148+, P151+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P166+, P187+, P19+, P214+, P215+, P216+, P217+, P219+, P220+, P221+, P222+, P223+, P30-, P37.2-, P38+, P78-, P95-, PF1016+, PF1029+, PF1031+, PF1040+, PF1046+, PF1061+, PF1092+, PF1097+, PF110+, PF1203+, PF1269+, PF1276+, PF15+, PF192+, PF210+, PF212+, PF223+, PF234+, PF258+, PF2591+, PF2593+, PF2599+, PF2600+, PF2608+, PF2611+, PF2615+, PF2624+, PF263+, PF2631+, PF2643+, PF272+, PF2745+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF2749+, PF2770+, PF278+, PF292+, PF316+, PF325+, PF342+, PF3504+, PF3514+, PF3515+, PF3517+, PF3518+, PF3534+, PF3560+, PF3561+, PF3562+, PF3573+, PF3574+, PF3575+, PF3578+, PF3586+, PF3588+, PF3590+, PF3594+, PF3595+, PF3596+, PF3600+, PF3604+, PF3605+, PF3607+, PF3611+, PF3612+, PF3616+, PF3618+, PF3621+, PF3622+, PF3623+, PF3625+, PF3626+, PF3634+, PF3639+, PF3640+, PF3641+, PF3642+, PF3644+, PF3651+, PF3652+, PF3654+, PF3657+, PF3658+, PF3660+, PF3664+, PF3666+, PF3667+, PF3669+, PF3671+, PF3672+, PF3675+, PF3677+, PF3686+, PF3694+, PF3780+, PF3798+, PF3800+, PF3801+, PF3802+, PF3804+, PF3806+, PF3807+, PF3809+, PF3811+, PF3812+, PF3814+, PF3815+, PF3819+, PF3820+, PF3822+, PF3836+, PF3837+, PF3849+, PF3876+, PF500+, PF601+, PF667+, PF719+, PF720+, PF725+, PF779+, PF796+, PF803+, PF815+, PF821+, PF840+, PF844+, PF892+, PF937+, PF951+, PF954+, PF970+, V186+, V189+, V205+, V52+, V9+, YSC0000056+, YSC0000256+, YSC0000260+, YSC0000265+, YSC0000267+, YSC0000272+, YSC0000280+, YSC0000281+, YSC0000298+, YSC0000300+, Z161+, Z162+, Z163+, Z164+, Z165+, Z168+, Z170+, Z172+, Z174+, Z175+, Z176+, Z177+, Z178+, Z179+, Z181+, Z183+, Z184+, Z186+, Z188+, Z76+, Z77+, Z78-, Z79-, ZS16-, ZS26-
           
          Which is why it takes a lot longer to precess and then there are the insertions and deletions, the no calls and the negatives which do not show here but are listed in your dowloaded csv file.
           
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          Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 10:14 PM
          Subject: [I-M223] Re: Genographic project

           

          .
          In response to Joao.

          I had a confirmed haplotype previously and participated in the Gen 2  project. For what it's worth, my results went from the following on FT DNA:

          Your Haplogroup

          I2b1

          Z77+ Z76+ Z186+ Z161+ P38+ P19+ M258+ M223+ M170+ L801+ ZS26- ZS16- Z79- Z78- P95- P78- P37.2- P30- M72- M379- M307- M284- M26- M253- M227- M21- M161- L623- L147.4- L1290- L1198-

           to the following as filtered through FT DNA:


          Z77+ Z76+ Z186+ Z161+ V9+ V205+ V189+ V186+ P38+ P223+ P222+ P221+ P220+ P219+ P217+ P216+ P215+ P214+ P19+ P187+ P166+ P160+ P159+ P158+ P151+ P148+ P146+ P145+ P141+ P14+ P138+ P136+ P135+ P130+ P127+ P126+ P124+ P123+ M94+ M89+ M42+ M294+ M258+ M223+ M170+ M168+ M139+ L801+ L800+ L68+ L59+ L578+ L566+ L498+ L470+ L468+ L460+ L41+ L403+ L37+ L350+ L35+ L34+ L16+ L15+ L132+ ZS26- ZS16- Z79- Z78- P95- P78- P37.2- P30- M72- M379- M307- M284- M26- M253- M227- M21- M161- L623- L147.4- L1290- L1198-


          still, as I2b1. Of course, it will take time and energy on the part of all of us to see how meaningful any of these data might be.

          Rob  Hausman

        • manth43470@aol.com
          Hi Joao, If you haven t yet tested for your mtDNA, your autosomal DNA, and your Y-DNA Deep Clade, then Geno 2.0 is cheaper and faster, ultimately. G. Michael
          Message 4 of 11 , Dec 20, 2012
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            Hi Joao,
             
            If you haven't yet tested for your mtDNA, your autosomal DNA, and your Y-DNA Deep Clade, then Geno 2.0 is cheaper and faster, ultimately. 
             
            G. Michael "Mike" Anthony
            Kit #18187
          • hstyri
            It really depends on what you want to achieve. If you re tracing your genealogy, the Geno 2.0 autosomal DNA and mtDNA is of limited value. And, regarding the
            Message 5 of 11 , Dec 20, 2012
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              It really depends on what you want to achieve. If you're tracing your genealogy, the Geno 2.0 autosomal DNA and mtDNA is of limited value. And, regarding the Y-DNA part of Geno 2.0 we really don't know how useful it'll be for the I-M223 people.

              However, if I don't mistake your kit identity you're currently assigned to a section of the project with no 111 STR marker results. It may be useful both to yourself and the project if you upgrade.

              Regards,
              H.Styri


              --- In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, "joaobraz_2000" <joaobraz_2000@...> wrote:
              >
              > Hello everyone,
              >
              > Being an FTDNA customer (with an haplogroup already predicted by FT), is there any benefit in joining the Geneographic project other than increasing their database? Thanks and happy holidays y'all :)
              >
              > JOAO
              >
            • joaobraz_2000
              Thanks for all your responses. I ve actually already ordered all the tests through FT, including autosomal, mtDNA and upgrade to 111, but am still waiting
              Message 6 of 11 , Dec 21, 2012
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                Thanks for all your responses. I've actually already ordered all the tests through FT, including autosomal, mtDNA and upgrade to 111, but am still waiting (results should come late January). I should have included these details in my question. So it looks like I won't get much else through the Genographic project then ...

                JOAO

                --- In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, "hstyri" <styri@...> wrote:
                >
                > It really depends on what you want to achieve. If you're tracing your genealogy, the Geno 2.0 autosomal DNA and mtDNA is of limited value. And, regarding the Y-DNA part of Geno 2.0 we really don't know how useful it'll be for the I-M223 people.
                >
                > However, if I don't mistake your kit identity you're currently assigned to a section of the project with no 111 STR marker results. It may be useful both to yourself and the project if you upgrade.
                >
                > Regards,
                > H.Styri
                >
                >
                > --- In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, "joaobraz_2000" <joaobraz_2000@> wrote:
                > >
                > > Hello everyone,
                > >
                > > Being an FTDNA customer (with an haplogroup already predicted by FT), is there any benefit in joining the Geneographic project other than increasing their database? Thanks and happy holidays y'all :)
                > >
                > > JOAO
                > >
                >
              • lruddick
                All of this is discouraging. In terms of understandable coding it appears to me that we have come out of some light and back into a fog of darkness. All this
                Message 7 of 11 , Dec 21, 2012
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                  All of this is discouraging.  In terms of understandable coding it appears to me that we have come out of some light and back into a fog of darkness.  All this makes me wonder if we will drive away those who we need to participate?  To think that I started as “I”.  Now I would be happy just to have my I2b1 back, at least I can remember it.

                   

                  Lewis M. Ruddick

                • hstyri
                  Research is often two steps forward and one step back. The Geno 2.0 test is fairly new technology and such tools need to be fine tuned after any unexpected
                  Message 8 of 11 , Dec 21, 2012
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                    Research is often two steps forward and one step back. The Geno 2.0 test is fairly new technology and such tools need to be fine tuned after any unexpected snags are sorted out.

                    At present we have too much data and too little informastion, but the fog will eventually clear. And by the end of next year some scientists may offer more advanced testing at lower cost.

                    Regards,
                    H. Styri


                    --- In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, "lruddick" <lruddick@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > All of this is discouraging. In terms of understandable coding it appears
                    > to me that we have come out of some light and back into a fog of darkness.
                    > All this makes me wonder if we will drive away those who we need to
                    > participate? To think that I started as "I". Now I would be happy just to
                    > have my I2b1 back, at least I can remember it.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Lewis M. Ruddick
                    >
                  • joaobraz_2000
                    hello everybody, Can someone explain why is there so much discrepancy between the price of Geno 2.0 (~$200) and what is available through FTDNA? It feels like
                    Message 9 of 11 , Jan 4, 2013
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                      hello everybody,

                      Can someone explain why is there so much discrepancy between the price of Geno 2.0 (~$200) and what is available through FTDNA? It feels like for the same results (Y-12, mtDNA and autosomal/family Finder), I would have spent much less (~$300 less) going with Geno 2.0 ... Should I feel a little cheated or is something extra provided by FTDNA that is not through Geno 2.0?

                      Thanks!
                      JOAO
                      Kit #260237



                      --- In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, "Wayne Roberts" wrote:
                      >
                      > However Robert, if you look under the Project's website at the SNPs tested you will see:
                      >
                      > CTS10057+, CTS10058+, CTS10100+, CTS10125+, CTS10362+, CTS109+, CTS11358+, CTS11441+, CTS11575+, CTS11726+, CTS125+, CTS12632+, CTS1977+, CTS1996+, CTS2193+, CTS2392+, CTS2514+, CTS2536+, CTS3296+, CTS3326+, CTS3331+, CTS3431+, CTS3517+, CTS3536+, CTS3654+, CTS3662+, CTS3868+, CTS3996+, CTS4039+, CTS4088+, CTS429+, CTS4314+, CTS4348+, CTS4364+, CTS4368+, CTS4443+, CTS4740+, CTS4848+, CTS4982+, CTS5286+, CTS5318+, CTS5457+, CTS5532+, CTS5650+, CTS5727+, CTS5908+, CTS6135+, CTS6136+, CTS616+, CTS6265+, CTS6331+, CTS6383+, CTS674+, CTS6800+, CTS6907+, CTS6932+, CTS7329+, CTS7331+, CTS7502+, CTS7682+, CTS7831+, CTS7865+, CTS7922+, CTS7933+, CTS7934+, CTS8243+, CTS8333+, CTS8345+, CTS8420+, CTS8449+, CTS88+, CTS8876+, CTS8901+, CTS8980+, CTS9183+, CTS9240+, CTS9264+, CTS9266+, CTS9482+, CTS9782+, CTS9828+, F1046+, F1209+, F1302+, F1320+, F1329+, F1450+, F1460+, F1704+, F1714+, F1753+, F1767+, F2048+, F2075+, F2142+, F2155+, F2345+, F2366+, F2402+, F2587+, F2688+, F2710+, F2794+, F2837+, F2985+, F2993+, F3111+, F3136+, F3335+, F3368+, F3402+, F3556+, F3692+, F4188+, F719+, F922+, L1198-, L1290-, L132+, L147.4-, L15+, L16+, L34+, L35+, L350+, L37+, L403+, L41+, L460+, L468+, L470+, L498+, L566+, L578+, L59+, L623-, L68+, L748+, L751+, L755+, L756+, L758+, L772+, L781+, L800+, L801+, M139+, M161-, M168+, M170+, M21-, M223+, M227-, M235+, M253-, M258+, M26-, M284-, M294+, M307-, M379-, M42+, M72-, M89+, M94+, P123+, P124+, P126+, P127+, P130+, P135+, P136+, P138+, P14+, P141+, P145+, P146+, P148+, P151+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P166+, P187+, P19+, P214+, P215+, P216+, P217+, P219+, P220+, P221+, P222+, P223+, P30-, P37.2-, P38+, P78-, P95-, PF1016+, PF1029+, PF1031+, PF1040+, PF1046+, PF1061+, PF1092+, PF1097+, PF110+, PF1203+, PF1269+, PF1276+, PF15+, PF192+, PF210+, PF212+, PF223+, PF234+, PF258+, PF2591+, PF2593+, PF2599+, PF2600+, PF2608+, PF2611+, PF2615+, PF2624+, PF263+, PF2631+, PF2643+, PF272+, PF2745+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF2749+, PF2770+, PF278+, PF292+, PF316+, PF325+, PF342+, PF3504+, PF3514+, PF3515+, PF3517+, PF3518+, PF3534+, PF3560+, PF3561+, PF3562+, PF3573+, PF3574+, PF3575+, PF3578+, PF3586+, PF3588+, PF3590+, PF3594+, PF3595+, PF3596+, PF3600+, PF3604+, PF3605+, PF3607+, PF3611+, PF3612+, PF3616+, PF3618+, PF3621+, PF3622+, PF3623+, PF3625+, PF3626+, PF3634+, PF3639+, PF3640+, PF3641+, PF3642+, PF3644+, PF3651+, PF3652+, PF3654+, PF3657+, PF3658+, PF3660+, PF3664+, PF3666+, PF3667+, PF3669+, PF3671+, PF3672+, PF3675+, PF3677+, PF3686+, PF3694+, PF3780+, PF3798+, PF3800+, PF3801+, PF3802+, PF3804+, PF3806+, PF3807+, PF3809+, PF3811+, PF3812+, PF3814+, PF3815+, PF3819+, PF3820+, PF3822+, PF3836+, PF3837+, PF3849+, PF3876+, PF500+, PF601+, PF667+, PF719+, PF720+, PF725+, PF779+, PF796+, PF803+, PF815+, PF821+, PF840+, PF844+, PF892+, PF937+, PF951+, PF954+, PF970+, V186+, V189+, V205+, V52+, V9+, YSC0000056+, YSC0000256+, YSC0000260+, YSC0000265+, YSC0000267+, YSC0000272+, YSC0000280+, YSC0000281+, YSC0000298+, YSC0000300+, Z161+, Z162+, Z163+, Z164+, Z165+, Z168+, Z170+, Z172+, Z174+, Z175+, Z176+, Z177+, Z178+, Z179+, Z181+, Z183+, Z184+, Z186+, Z188+, Z76+, Z77+, Z78-, Z79-, ZS16-, ZS26-
                      >
                      > Which is why it takes a lot longer to precess and then there are the insertions and deletions, the no calls and the negatives which do not show here but are listed in your dowloaded csv file.
                    • Wayne Roberts
                      Joao, Yes, there are but one needs to understand the various products on offer. Geno 2.0 is more like a combination of FTDNA s Deep Clade test for SNPs and
                      Message 10 of 11 , Jan 5, 2013
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                        Joao,
                         
                        Yes, there are but one needs to understand the various products on offer.
                         
                        Geno 2.0 is more like a combination of FTDNA's Deep Clade test for SNPs and 23andMe's test for Y-Haplogroup, mtDNA Haplogroup and Relative Finder. Neither give you the full picture. FTDNA's Deep Clade does not test for all terminal SNPs that have been discovered. 23andMe does not give you your STR results and only tests some of the mtDNA regions. It does give you health reports though. Geno 2.0 also does not test for your STRs, tests for many SNPs but not all terminal SNPs and many so upstream they have little relevance to the individual (and I think it does not test for the coded region for mtDNA but not sure on this one).
                         
                        Both Geno 2.0 and 23andMe results alone will not give you Y-DNA matches or allow you to participate in Y-Haplogroup Projects such as I-M223 Project. You still must test with a company that tests for the STR markers such as FTDNA, Ancestry, Heritage, etc.
                         
                        So you are caught in that you often have to test with several companies depending on what you are looking for or you test with just one and be content with what is delivers. Geno 2.0 is more a replacement for FTDNA's Deep Clade test and Family Finder but does not compete with STR marker testing or mtDNA full genome sequencing. Wayne
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:41 AM
                        Subject: [I-M223] Discrepancy between prices ...

                         

                        hello everybody,

                        Can someone explain why is there so much discrepancy between the price of Geno 2.0 (~$200) and what is available through FTDNA? It feels like for the same results (Y-12, mtDNA and autosomal/family Finder), I would have spent much less (~$300 less) going with Geno 2.0 ... Should I feel a little cheated or is something extra provided by FTDNA that is not through Geno 2.0?

                        Thanks!
                        JOAO
                        Kit #260237

                      • joaobraz_2000
                        Thanks Wayne ... I feel much better! Maybe I ll get Geno 2.0 one of these days in complement of my FTDNA results. Cheers, JOAO
                        Message 11 of 11 , Jan 7, 2013
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                          Thanks Wayne ... I feel much better! Maybe I'll get Geno 2.0 one of these days in complement of my FTDNA results.

                          Cheers,
                          JOAO

                          --- In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, "Wayne Roberts" wrote:
                          >
                          > Joao,
                          >
                          > Yes, there are but one needs to understand the various products on offer.
                          >
                          > Geno 2.0 is more like a combination of FTDNA's Deep Clade test for SNPs and 23andMe's test for Y-Haplogroup, mtDNA Haplogroup and Relative Finder. Neither give you the full picture. FTDNA's Deep Clade does not test for all terminal SNPs that have been discovered. 23andMe does not give you your STR results and only tests some of the mtDNA regions. It does give you health reports though. Geno 2.0 also does not test for your STRs, tests for many SNPs but not all terminal SNPs and many so upstream they have little relevance to the individual (and I think it does not test for the coded region for mtDNA but not sure on this one).
                          >
                          > Both Geno 2.0 and 23andMe results alone will not give you Y-DNA matches or allow you to participate in Y-Haplogroup Projects such as I-M223 Project. You still must test with a company that tests for the STR markers such as FTDNA, Ancestry, Heritage, etc.
                          >
                          > So you are caught in that you often have to test with several companies depending on what you are looking for or you test with just one and be content with what is delivers. Geno 2.0 is more a replacement for FTDNA's Deep Clade test and Family Finder but does not compete with STR marker testing or mtDNA full genome sequencing. Wayne
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