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4318Continental 3 SNP Testing

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  • Scott E. Stewart
    Aug 16, 2014
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      Continental 3 Cousins, We’ve received some interesting P78 testing and I’ve included the results in our updated spreadsheet pasted below.  P78+ Fischer tested S25733- and, from his STR markers, he appears to be in the same group as Brewer, so I’m going to ask him to test PF1153 and, when FTDNA lists it, F4346.  The modalities for the Brewer-Fischer group appear to be DYS459a=9 and DYS464d=17.  Others that appear to be in this group from STR markers include Hermans, Grosvenor, Wujciga, and possibly Winkler (Winkler may be more like Weliver-Woliver who are S25733+).  One surprise is that Freund has tested S25733- and he doesn’t appear to be in the Brewer-Fischer group from his STR markers, so I’ve asked him to test S8269 to make sure this isn’t an FTDNA screw-up.  Even more interesting, Foster has tested S25733+, S8269+ and A427-.  I had always thought that there would be a relationship among the DYS385=13-16 Foster, Bartlett, and Putnam clade and DYS385=13-16 Linville, Freund, and Carpinteyro clade and possibly DYS385=13-16 Essenmacher, but, if this FTDNA testing is correct, there’s no such relationship.  I’m going to ask the rest of the DYS385=13-16 P78+ people to test to see if we can confirm and build up these groups.  Butler and Williams have tested S25733+, S8269+, A427+, and S23612-.  I need to ask Weliver or Woliver, Ballough, M, Fowler, and Budarick to test A427.  Long has tested A427+ and is testing S23612.  I only planned on asking people to test 5 of the ten SNPs between Brewer and me (S25733, S8269, A427, S23612, and S23897), but this has been so productive for dividing us P78+ people up into clades that I may ask FTDNA to list the other 5 SNPs and ask P78 people to test them.  Please let me know your thoughts and I there’s anything that I may do for now.  Thanks for your consideration, Scott

      From: I-M223@yahoogroups.com [mailto:I-M223@yahoogroups.com]
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      Subject: [I-M223] Continental 3 YFull Tree

       

       

      For my Continental 3 cousins, below is how we appear now in the YFull tree.  I’m YF01709 and our three other P78 Big Y testees are YF01834, YF01879, and YF01768.  YFull lists ten (10) SNPs between Brewer and Ide, Kyle, and me:

      A427/Y4889 • M8965 • S22690 • S23612 • S23897 • S25733 • S8269 • Y4884 • Y4886 • Y4898

      As you know, we’ve been testing S25733, S8269, S23612, and A427/Y4889.  We’ve asked FTDNA to list S23897 and my understanding is that it’s in process.  So far from our testing, the largest group of P78 appears to be S25733+ and S8269+, so they would be P78>S25733, S8269.  Downstream is a group that currently consists of DYS392=13 people (including Ide, Kyle, and myself) who also are S23612+, so they’d be P78>S25733, S8269>S23612.  YFull has grouped Ide, Kyle, and me together and named us Haplogroup I-Y4884.  It’s not clear to me why YFull picked Y4884 because they clearly don’t know that it’s the most downstream of these SNPs.  I believe that YFull picked Y4884 because it has the least amount of variation in its chemical composition among the three of us.  Otherwise, they might as well have picked S23612.  If Wayne or anyone else has any insight here, I’d appreciate it.  We’re still in the process of testing A427/Y4889, but currently it appears to be farther back around S25733 and S8269.  We should know more when the three (3) P78 Big Ys in process come in for Stein (who is DYS392=13, so he should be in the Y4884 or S23612 group), Torkington (who is DYS392=13, so he should be in the Y4884 or S23612 group), and Jackson (who has the DYS464=14-14-15-15 recLOH, so I’m speculating that he’ll be in the P78>S25733, S8269 middle group with Ballough, who also has DYS464=14-14-15-15 recLOH).  Please don’t hesitate to let me know any comments or concerns or if I may provide further info.  Thanks, Scott

      http://www.yfull.com/tree/I-L701/

      ·         I2a2a1cCTS10057 * CTS10100 * CTS11976 * S2371/CTS2228 * CTS4693...

      o    id:YF01918new

      o    id:YF01934new

      o    I2a2a1c*

      o    I-L701L701 * L702 * P78 * PF6897 * S10309...

      §  I-L701*

      §  id:YF01834NLD

      §  I-Y4884S22690 * S23612 * S23897 * S25733 * S8269...

      §  id:YF01879new

      §  id:YF01709GBR

      §  id:YF01768

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