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4315Re: [I-M223] Continental 3 YFull Tree

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  • Wilson, Eric
    Aug 11, 2014
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      Hey All,

      I've kinda fallen away from this list as I've not really seen much happen relative to my branch.  Also because it seems like things have become considerably less certain rather than more certain.

      Something caught my eye that raised a question; In the Experimental Tree:  http://www.yfull.com/tree/I2a2/

      It lists:  

      I-L701L701 * L702 * P78 * PF6897 * S10309...

      Does this mean that L701, L702, P78, etc are all equivalent?  

      The reason for the query, is that I am in fact L1226+, L699+, L701+, L703+, L704+, but P78-.

      ...and when will L1226 be added to the tree?


      Warm Regards,

      Eric Wilson

      On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 7:27 PM, 'Scott E. Stewart' malmaison1@... [I-M223] <I-M223@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

      I looked up the results for S23612 and Y4884 and S23612 actually appears to be more stable than Y4884 by just a hair.  I think that maybe YFull picked the Y series Y4884 over the S series S23612 SNP because the “Y” prefix means that it is an SNP discovered by the YFull team using data from the 1000 Genomes Project and the “S” prefix means that the SNP was discovered by James Wilson from Britain’sDNA:


      Y = Y Full Team using data from the 1000 Genomes Project

      S = James F. Wilson, D.Phil. at Edinburgh University

      I don’t believe that YFull has any insight into the order of the ten SNPs between Brewer and Ide, Kyle, and me, including whether Y4884 is downstream, upstream, or phyloequivalent to S23612.

      From: I-M223@yahoogroups.com [mailto:I-M223@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 6:09 PM
      To: I-M223@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [I-M223] Continental 3 YFull Tree



      Hello Cont3 members,


      I would like to just add to Scott's comments that YFull has not finished analysing the BAM files for IDs YF01879, YF01918 and YF01934. When completed, I would expect to see a new branch under I-Y4884 for Stewart and Kyle. YF01918 and YF01934 will be another branch under L701, L702, PF6894, PF6897 as YFull will seperate out P78 and L703 with YF01918 and YF01934 falling in under L703, L699, PF6896, PF6899, PF6902 and the others under P78. One of these IDs is also L704+ L700+ but they may not list that seperately until we have at least another L704+ person. That should come when the new Big Y results are back for one of the Perry men. And we still have one L703 person to appear on the tree.


      Scott, as for why YFull named your branch I-Y4884, I have no idea, sorry.




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      Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 5:37 AM

      Subject: [I-M223] Continental 3 YFull Tree



      For my Continental 3 cousins, below is how we appear now in the YFull tree.  I’m YF01709 and our three other P78 Big Y testees are YF01834, YF01879, and YF01768.  YFull lists ten (10) SNPs between Brewer and Ide, Kyle, and me:

      A427/Y4889 • M8965 • S22690 • S23612 • S23897 • S25733 • S8269 • Y4884 • Y4886 • Y4898

      As you know, we’ve been testing S25733, S8269, S23612, and A427/Y4889.  We’ve asked FTDNA to list S23897 and my understanding is that it’s in process.  So far from our testing, the largest group of P78 appears to be S25733+ and S8269+, so they would be P78>S25733, S8269.  Downstream is a group that currently consists of DYS392=13 people (including Ide, Kyle, and myself) who also are S23612+, so they’d be P78>S25733, S8269>S23612.  YFull has grouped Ide, Kyle, and me together and named us Haplogroup I-Y4884.  It’s not clear to me why YFull picked Y4884 because they clearly don’t know that it’s the most downstream of these SNPs.  I believe that YFull picked Y4884 because it has the least amount of variation in its chemical composition among the three of us.  Otherwise, they might as well have picked S23612.  If Wayne or anyone else has any insight here, I’d appreciate it.  We’re still in the process of testing A427/Y4889, but currently it appears to be farther back around S25733 and S8269.  We should know more when the three (3) P78 Big Ys in process come in for Stein (who is DYS392=13, so he should be in the Y4884 or S23612 group), Torkington (who is DYS392=13, so he should be in the Y4884 or S23612 group), and Jackson (who has the DYS464=14-14-15-15 recLOH, so I’m speculating that he’ll be in the P78>S25733, S8269 middle group with Ballough, who also has DYS464=14-14-15-15 recLOH).  Please don’t hesitate to let me know any comments or concerns or if I may provide further info.  Thanks, Scott


      ·         I2a2a1cCTS10057 * CTS10100 * CTS11976 * S2371/CTS2228 * CTS4693...

      o    id:YF01918new

      o    id:YF01934new

      o    I2a2a1c*

      o    I-L701L701 * L702 * P78 * PF6897 * S10309...

      §  I-L701*

      §  id:YF01834NLD

      §  I-Y4884S22690 * S23612 * S23897 * S25733 * S8269...

      §  id:YF01879new

      §  id:YF01709GBR

      §  id:YF01768

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