Loading ...
Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content.

2301Re: updated tree... Foundations of I-M223 Haplogroup shaken (CTS616 and CTS9183)

Expand Messages
  • sallfertorr
    Jan 14, 2013
    • 0 Attachment
      Hello, Immel

      There are no new SNP's for you at the moment.

      Thank you,
      Aaron Torres

      --- In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, Immel wrote:
      >
      > Aaron,
      >
      > I am currently shown as I2a2a3a2a and am L1198+. Are there additional SNPs I should test for?
      >
      > As a note, I am about to receive my Geno 2.0 results and have completed the WTY last year.
      >
      > Regards,
      >
      > Martin Sewell
      > FTDNA Kit 22066
      >
      >
      > Skype: +44 1865589924
      >
      > On Jan 12, 2013, at 20:17, "sallfertorr" wrote:
      >
      > > That is great news, Eric!
      > >
      > > Thanks,
      > > Aaron Torres
      > >
      > > --- In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, "Wilson, Eric" wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Hello Aaron, et al;
      > > >
      > > > I'll be one of your L701+ subjects. I've ordered a full Geno 2.0 kt.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Cheers;
      > > >
      > > > E!
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 11:21 PM, sallfertorr wrote:
      > > >
      > > > > **
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > Hello, all
      > > > >
      > > > > Following the recent developments in the I-M223 tree, here is how the
      > > > > I-M223 Haplogroup is currently structured:
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/M223-Y-Clan/default.aspx?section=results
      > > > >
      > > > > At the moment we have two main branches: one that leads to L1228 and
      > > > > another, which leads to CTS616, CTS9183.
      > > > >
      > > > > It remains to be seen whether this proposed structure is 100% accurate
      > > > > (M284 Bradford has been reported to be CTS616+, we have to see if he is
      > > > > CTS9183+ as well; and we need CTS616, CTS9183 results for the L701,L702
      > > > > group).
      > > > >
      > > > > I've implemented these changes to our Y-STR results page also:
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/M223-Y-Clan/default.aspx?vgroup=M223-Y-Clan%c3%82%c2%a7ion=yresults
      > > > >
      > > > > These are exciting times!
      > > > >
      > > > > Thanks,
      > > > > Aaron Torres
      > > > >
      > > > > --- In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, "sallfertorr" wrote:
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Hello, Robert and Wayne
      > > > > >
      > > > > > The discovery of these two SNP's shakes the foundations of the I-M223
      > > > > Haplogroup. As you know, until now we had believed that Roots and I2b1-X
      > > > > were somehow related - not anymore, as the new SNP's prove that I2b1-X is
      > > > > even more ancient than we had imagined. So answering your question, it is
      > > > > not necessary to test Z2091, Z2094, Z2095 and Z2100 for now.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > I have been in contact with Astrid Krahn, who says CTS6433 and CTS1977
      > > > > (relevant to Cont2a, Cont2b, Cont2to1 and Cont1-X) will be added to the FT
      > > > > DNA catalog in the next couple weeks. I have already added CTS616 and
      > > > > CTS9183 to my list of requests - it is important that Isles, L701/L702 and
      > > > > I-M223* individuals test these SNP's. We also need to be able to repeat
      > > > > these results within I2b1-X (L1228+), just to double-check what we've
      > > > > gotten.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > I will update our tree shortly to reflect this new structure.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Thanks,
      > > > > > Aaron Torres
      > > > > >
      > > > > > --- In I-M223@yahoogroups.com, "Wayne Roberts" wrote:
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Thanks Robert. Yes Ken is quick off the mark. But then he is in a cold
      > > > > snowy area of the USA while Aaron in Brazil and me in Australia are
      > > > > definitely not snowed in, haha. I was at the beach today (Saturday) with
      > > > > family.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > As for these two new upstream SNPs, Project members will have to ask
      > > > > FTDNA to add them to their order list. So send those emails in.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > I will leave Aaron to answer your question about Z2091, Z2094, Z2095
      > > > > and Z2100. But please bear in mind that none of the Z2054-Z2101 series were
      > > > > included in Geno 2.0 so there will be no result for any of them in people's
      > > > > Geno results. The only possibility is if some of the other SNPs are
      > > > > phyloequivalent to any of those, but then these should show when comparing
      > > > > a Roots person to any others in I-M223 and that hasn't really shown up.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > It will be interesting when other Geno 2.0 results become available as
      > > > > well as the two WTY results over the next month or so.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Wayne
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > > > > > From: rob919ert
      > > > > > > To: I-M223@yahoogroups.com
      > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 7:21 PM
      > > > > > > Subject: [I-M223] updated "Tree for M223 x Z161" by Ken Nordtvedt
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Hi all,
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > as mentioned before I received finally my GENO 2.0 results. The comma
      > > > > separated file with all the discovered snp-values was then sent to Aaron,
      > > > > Wayne and Ken.
      > > > > > > A few hours later (in the middle of the night here in Europe) Ken had
      > > > > already studied my results and replied as follows:
      > > > > > > "A very interesting result from the Hofstee raw data file!
      > > > > Triangulation between it and Roots and Cont-2 yields two new snps for which
      > > > > Hofstee is ancestral while Roots and Cont-2 are both derived.
      > > > > > > CTS616
      > > > > > > CTS9183
      > > > > > > This will allow some node ordering way upstream in M223 sector: there
      > > > > must be first a node where L1228 branch line separates from another branch
      > > > > line which leads at least to both Z161 and L1229
      > > > > > > There are no new snps on the L1228/L1227 branch line, but we should
      > > > > not have expected any, realistically.
      > > > > > > I will of course go back and double check this all, since it is so
      > > > > interesting on upstream M223 tree structure.
      > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt"
      > > > > > > Again an hour later Ken sent the following message:
      > > > > > > "The updated "Tree for M223xZ161" shows how these two snps start to
      > > > > organize M223's most upstream node structure. To complete this we need Geno
      > > > > 2 results for a M284+ person and a L701+ person and maybe even the Webb
      > > > > family.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Or we need snps like CTS616 and CTS 9183 to appear in the FTDNA
      > > > > catalog for testing by people in all the sectors. FTDNA is being very coy
      > > > > about whether they will take snps from the Geno 2 that prove interesting
      > > > > and put them into their catalogs.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Kenneth Nordtvedt "
      > > > > > > Therefore I would suggest to all members to check Ken' s new M223 x
      > > > > Z161 Sector Tree dated 4 January 2013.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > A question to Aaron: : I guess that testing the four untested SNP's
      > > > > (Z2091, Z2094, Z2095 and Z2100) is not necessary anymore?
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > best regards,
      > > > > > > Robert
      > > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > --
      > > >
      > > > Cheers;
      > > >
      > > > E!
      > > >
      > >
      > >
      >
    • Show all 16 messages in this topic