## Antipedal triangles of P,P* [more general]

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• Let ABC be a triangle, A B C , A B C the antipedal tiangles of H, O [antimedial, tangential, resp.]. The triangles: 1. ABC, A B C 2. ABC, A BC 3. ABC,
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Let ABC be a triangle, A'B'C', A"B"C" the antipedal tiangles
of H, O [antimedial, tangential, resp.].

The triangles:

1. ABC, A'B'C'

2. ABC, A"BC"

3. ABC, Triangle bounded by the lines (A'A",B'B",C'C")

are perspective.

[the 3rd perspector is on the circumcircle(ABC) = NPC(A'B'C') =
Incircle(A"B"C")]

Generalization:

Let P,P* be two isogonal conjugate points and A'B'C',A"B"C"
the antipedal triangles of P,P*, resp.

Which is the locus of P such that the triangles:

1. A"B"C", Triangle bounded by (AA',BB',CC')

2. A'B'C', Triangle bounded by (AA",BB",CC")

3. ABC, Triangle bounded by (A'A",B'B",C'C")

are perspective ?

APH
• [APH] Generalization: Let P,P* be two isogonal conjugate points and A B C ,A B C the antipedal triangles of P,P*, resp. Which is the locus of P such that the
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[APH]

Generalization:
Let P,P* be two isogonal conjugate points and A'B'C',A"B"C"
the antipedal triangles of P,P*, resp.
Which is the locus of P such that the triangles:
1. A"B"C", Triangle bounded by (AA',BB',CC')
2. A'B'C', Triangle bounded by (AA",BB",CC")
3. ABC, Triangle bounded by (A'A",B'B",C'C")
are perspective ?

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The loci in 1. and 2 are the same:

line at infinity + circumcircle + K004 + three cubics, each one relative to one of the vertices.

The cubic relative to A has equation
2 b^2 c^2 x^2 y + a^2 c^2 x y^2 + b^2 c^2 x y^2 + c^4 x y^2 +
2 b^2 c^2 x^2 z + 4 b^2 c^2 x y z + 2 a^2 c^2 y^2 z + a^2 b^2 x z^2 +
b^4 x z^2 + b^2 c^2 x z^2 + 2 a^2 b^2 y z^2 =0.

It intersects the line at infinity at the infinite points of the bisectors of angle A and at the infinite point of the A-altitude.

It is its isogonal conjugate, then it intersects the circumcircle at the intersections of the circumcircle and the bisectors of angle A and at the antipode of A.

With respect to 3., the triangle bounded by (A'A", B' B ",C'C")
is ALWAYS perspective with ABC.

If P=(x:y:z), then the perspector S is complicated: the coordinates of its isotomic conjugate, that is infinite when P lies on K004, are:

{2 a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 y - 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 y + 2 b^6 c^2 x^2 y +
4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 y + 4 b^4 c^4 x^2 y - 6 b^2 c^6 x^2 y +
a^6 c^2 x y^2 - a^4 b^2 c^2 x y^2 - a^2 b^4 c^2 x y^2 +
b^6 c^2 x y^2 - a^4 c^4 x y^2 + 10 a^2 b^2 c^4 x y^2 -
b^4 c^4 x y^2 - a^2 c^6 x y^2 - b^2 c^6 x y^2 + c^8 x y^2 -
2 a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 z - 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 z + 6 b^6 c^2 x^2 z +
4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 z - 4 b^4 c^4 x^2 z - 2 b^2 c^6 x^2 z +
2 a^6 c^2 y^2 z + 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 y^2 z - 6 a^2 b^4 c^2 y^2 z -
4 a^4 c^4 y^2 z + 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 y^2 z + 2 a^2 c^6 y^2 z -
a^6 b^2 x z^2 + a^4 b^4 x z^2 + a^2 b^6 x z^2 - b^8 x z^2 +
a^4 b^2 c^2 x z^2 - 10 a^2 b^4 c^2 x z^2 + b^6 c^2 x z^2 +
a^2 b^2 c^4 x z^2 + b^4 c^4 x z^2 - b^2 c^6 x z^2 -
2 a^6 b^2 y z^2 + 4 a^4 b^4 y z^2 - 2 a^2 b^6 y z^2 -
4 a^4 b^2 c^2 y z^2 - 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 y z^2 +
6 a^2 b^2 c^4 y z^2, -a^6 c^2 x^2 y + a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 y +
a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 y - b^6 c^2 x^2 y + a^4 c^4 x^2 y -
10 a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 y + b^4 c^4 x^2 y + a^2 c^6 x^2 y +
b^2 c^6 x^2 y - c^8 x^2 y - 2 a^6 c^2 x y^2 + 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 x y^2 -
2 a^2 b^4 c^2 x y^2 - 4 a^4 c^4 x y^2 - 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x y^2 +
6 a^2 c^6 x y^2 + 6 a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 z - 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 z -
2 b^6 c^2 x^2 z - 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 z + 4 b^4 c^4 x^2 z -
2 b^2 c^6 x^2 z - 6 a^6 c^2 y^2 z + 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 y^2 z +
2 a^2 b^4 c^2 y^2 z + 4 a^4 c^4 y^2 z - 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 y^2 z +
2 a^2 c^6 y^2 z + 2 a^6 b^2 x z^2 - 4 a^4 b^4 x z^2 +
2 a^2 b^6 x z^2 + 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 x z^2 + 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x z^2 -
6 a^2 b^2 c^4 x z^2 + a^8 y z^2 - a^6 b^2 y z^2 - a^4 b^4 y z^2 +
a^2 b^6 y z^2 - a^6 c^2 y z^2 + 10 a^4 b^2 c^2 y z^2 -
a^2 b^4 c^2 y z^2 - a^4 c^4 y z^2 - a^2 b^2 c^4 y z^2 +
a^2 c^6 y z^2, -6 a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 y + 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 y +
2 b^6 c^2 x^2 y + 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 y - 4 b^4 c^4 x^2 y +
2 b^2 c^6 x^2 y - 2 a^6 c^2 x y^2 - 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 x y^2 +
6 a^2 b^4 c^2 x y^2 + 4 a^4 c^4 x y^2 - 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x y^2 -
2 a^2 c^6 x y^2 + a^6 b^2 x^2 z - a^4 b^4 x^2 z - a^2 b^6 x^2 z +
b^8 x^2 z - a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 z + 10 a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 z -
b^6 c^2 x^2 z - a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 z - b^4 c^4 x^2 z + b^2 c^6 x^2 z -
a^8 y^2 z + a^6 b^2 y^2 z + a^4 b^4 y^2 z - a^2 b^6 y^2 z +
a^6 c^2 y^2 z - 10 a^4 b^2 c^2 y^2 z + a^2 b^4 c^2 y^2 z +
a^4 c^4 y^2 z + a^2 b^2 c^4 y^2 z - a^2 c^6 y^2 z +
2 a^6 b^2 x z^2 + 4 a^4 b^4 x z^2 - 6 a^2 b^6 x z^2 -
4 a^4 b^2 c^2 x z^2 + 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x z^2 + 2 a^2 b^2 c^4 x z^2 +
6 a^6 b^2 y z^2 - 4 a^4 b^4 y z^2 - 2 a^2 b^6 y z^2 -
4 a^4 b^2 c^2 y z^2 + 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 y z^2 - 2 a^2 b^2 c^4 y z^2}
• [APH] ... Dear Francisco, Very good!! Thanks!! For the simple case of 1 & 2 (ABC, A B C or A B C perspective ie ABC, antipedal triangle of P are perspective)
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[APH]
>
> Generalization:
> Let P,P* be two isogonal conjugate points and A'B'C',A"B"C"
> the antipedal triangles of P,P*, resp.
> Which is the locus of P such that the triangles:
> 1. A"B"C", Triangle bounded by (AA',BB',CC')
> 2. A'B'C', Triangle bounded by (AA",BB",CC")
> 3. ABC, Triangle bounded by (A'A",B'B",C'C")
> are perspective ?

[Francisco]:

> The loci in 1. and 2 are the same:
>
> line at infinity + circumcircle + K004 + three cubics, each one relative to one of the vertices.
>
> The cubic relative to A has equation
> 2 b^2 c^2 x^2 y + a^2 c^2 x y^2 + b^2 c^2 x y^2 + c^4 x y^2 +
> 2 b^2 c^2 x^2 z + 4 b^2 c^2 x y z + 2 a^2 c^2 y^2 z + a^2 b^2 x z^2 +
> b^4 x z^2 + b^2 c^2 x z^2 + 2 a^2 b^2 y z^2 =0.
>
> It intersects the line at infinity at the infinite points of the bisectors of angle A and at the infinite point of the A-altitude.
>
> It is its isogonal conjugate, then it intersects the circumcircle at the intersections of the circumcircle and the bisectors of angle A and at the antipode of A.
>
> With respect to 3., the triangle bounded by (A'A", B' B ",C'C")
> is ALWAYS perspective with ABC.
>
> If P=(x:y:z), then the perspector S is complicated: the coordinates of its isotomic conjugate, that is infinite when P lies on K004, are:
>
> {2 a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 y - 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 y + 2 b^6 c^2 x^2 y +
> 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 y + 4 b^4 c^4 x^2 y - 6 b^2 c^6 x^2 y +
> a^6 c^2 x y^2 - a^4 b^2 c^2 x y^2 - a^2 b^4 c^2 x y^2 +
> b^6 c^2 x y^2 - a^4 c^4 x y^2 + 10 a^2 b^2 c^4 x y^2 -
> b^4 c^4 x y^2 - a^2 c^6 x y^2 - b^2 c^6 x y^2 + c^8 x y^2 -
> 2 a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 z - 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 z + 6 b^6 c^2 x^2 z +
> 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 z - 4 b^4 c^4 x^2 z - 2 b^2 c^6 x^2 z +
> 2 a^6 c^2 y^2 z + 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 y^2 z - 6 a^2 b^4 c^2 y^2 z -
> 4 a^4 c^4 y^2 z + 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 y^2 z + 2 a^2 c^6 y^2 z -
> a^6 b^2 x z^2 + a^4 b^4 x z^2 + a^2 b^6 x z^2 - b^8 x z^2 +
> a^4 b^2 c^2 x z^2 - 10 a^2 b^4 c^2 x z^2 + b^6 c^2 x z^2 +
> a^2 b^2 c^4 x z^2 + b^4 c^4 x z^2 - b^2 c^6 x z^2 -
> 2 a^6 b^2 y z^2 + 4 a^4 b^4 y z^2 - 2 a^2 b^6 y z^2 -
> 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 y z^2 - 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 y z^2 +
> 6 a^2 b^2 c^4 y z^2, -a^6 c^2 x^2 y + a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 y +
> a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 y - b^6 c^2 x^2 y + a^4 c^4 x^2 y -
> 10 a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 y + b^4 c^4 x^2 y + a^2 c^6 x^2 y +
> b^2 c^6 x^2 y - c^8 x^2 y - 2 a^6 c^2 x y^2 + 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 x y^2 -
> 2 a^2 b^4 c^2 x y^2 - 4 a^4 c^4 x y^2 - 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x y^2 +
> 6 a^2 c^6 x y^2 + 6 a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 z - 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 z -
> 2 b^6 c^2 x^2 z - 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 z + 4 b^4 c^4 x^2 z -
> 2 b^2 c^6 x^2 z - 6 a^6 c^2 y^2 z + 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 y^2 z +
> 2 a^2 b^4 c^2 y^2 z + 4 a^4 c^4 y^2 z - 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 y^2 z +
> 2 a^2 c^6 y^2 z + 2 a^6 b^2 x z^2 - 4 a^4 b^4 x z^2 +
> 2 a^2 b^6 x z^2 + 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 x z^2 + 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x z^2 -
> 6 a^2 b^2 c^4 x z^2 + a^8 y z^2 - a^6 b^2 y z^2 - a^4 b^4 y z^2 +
> a^2 b^6 y z^2 - a^6 c^2 y z^2 + 10 a^4 b^2 c^2 y z^2 -
> a^2 b^4 c^2 y z^2 - a^4 c^4 y z^2 - a^2 b^2 c^4 y z^2 +
> a^2 c^6 y z^2, -6 a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 y + 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 y +
> 2 b^6 c^2 x^2 y + 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 y - 4 b^4 c^4 x^2 y +
> 2 b^2 c^6 x^2 y - 2 a^6 c^2 x y^2 - 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 x y^2 +
> 6 a^2 b^4 c^2 x y^2 + 4 a^4 c^4 x y^2 - 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x y^2 -
> 2 a^2 c^6 x y^2 + a^6 b^2 x^2 z - a^4 b^4 x^2 z - a^2 b^6 x^2 z +
> b^8 x^2 z - a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 z + 10 a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 z -
> b^6 c^2 x^2 z - a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 z - b^4 c^4 x^2 z + b^2 c^6 x^2 z -
> a^8 y^2 z + a^6 b^2 y^2 z + a^4 b^4 y^2 z - a^2 b^6 y^2 z +
> a^6 c^2 y^2 z - 10 a^4 b^2 c^2 y^2 z + a^2 b^4 c^2 y^2 z +
> a^4 c^4 y^2 z + a^2 b^2 c^4 y^2 z - a^2 c^6 y^2 z +
> 2 a^6 b^2 x z^2 + 4 a^4 b^4 x z^2 - 6 a^2 b^6 x z^2 -
> 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 x z^2 + 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x z^2 + 2 a^2 b^2 c^4 x z^2 +
> 6 a^6 b^2 y z^2 - 4 a^4 b^4 y z^2 - 2 a^2 b^6 y z^2 -
> 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 y z^2 + 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 y z^2 - 2 a^2 b^2 c^4 y z^2}
>

Dear Francisco,

Very good!! Thanks!!

For the simple case of 1 & 2 (ABC, A'B'C' or A"B"C" perspective
ie ABC, antipedal triangle of P are perspective) the locus is K004
(= Darboux cubic)+(O) + Linf, and most likely we have seen it before.
But is it listed in Bernard's properties of K004 ?

The perspector of the 3rd case is complicated indeed!!

And I am wondering if for the simple pairs of isogonal
conjugate points are the perspectors in ETC.
That is, the perspectors for (P,P*) = (O,H), (G,K), (N, X54)

APH
• Do we have one more perspectivity??? ... Now, denote: Abc = A B / A C , Acb = A C / A B Bca = B C / B A , Bac = B A / B C Cab = C A / C B , Cba =
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Do we have one more perspectivity???

> [APH]:
> Generalization:
> Let P,P* be two isogonal conjugate points and A'B'C',A"B"C"
> the antipedal triangles of P,P*, resp.
> Which is the locus of P such that the triangles:
> 3. ABC, Triangle bounded by (A'A",B'B",C'C")
> are perspective ?

[Francisco]:
> With respect to 3., the triangle bounded by (A'A", B' B ",C'C")
> is ALWAYS perspective with ABC.

Now, denote:

Abc = A'B' /\ A"C", Acb = A'C' /\ A"B"

Bca = B'C' /\ B"A", Bac = B'A' /\ B"C"

Cab = C'A' /\ C"B", Cba = C'B' /\ C"A"

Which is the locus of P such that the triangles
AbcBcaCab, AcbBacCba are perspective?

Figure:
http://anthrakitis.blogspot.gr/2013/03/perspectivity-antipedal-triangles-of-pp_19.html

APH
• They are again ALWAYS perspective. The coordinates of the perspector are shown below and it is infinite when P lies on K003. {a^2 (-2 a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 y + 4 a^2
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They are again ALWAYS perspective. The coordinates of the perspector are shown below and it is infinite when P lies on K003.

{a^2 (-2 a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 y + 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 y - 2 b^6 c^2 x^2 y -
4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 y - 4 b^4 c^4 x^2 y + 6 b^2 c^6 x^2 y -
a^6 c^2 x y^2 + a^4 b^2 c^2 x y^2 + a^2 b^4 c^2 x y^2 -
b^6 c^2 x y^2 + a^4 c^4 x y^2 - 10 a^2 b^2 c^4 x y^2 +
b^4 c^4 x y^2 + a^2 c^6 x y^2 + b^2 c^6 x y^2 - c^8 x y^2 +
2 a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 z + 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 z - 6 b^6 c^2 x^2 z -
4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 z + 4 b^4 c^4 x^2 z + 2 b^2 c^6 x^2 z -
2 a^6 c^2 y^2 z - 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 y^2 z + 6 a^2 b^4 c^2 y^2 z +
4 a^4 c^4 y^2 z - 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 y^2 z - 2 a^2 c^6 y^2 z +
a^6 b^2 x z^2 - a^4 b^4 x z^2 - a^2 b^6 x z^2 + b^8 x z^2 -
a^4 b^2 c^2 x z^2 + 10 a^2 b^4 c^2 x z^2 - b^6 c^2 x z^2 -
a^2 b^2 c^4 x z^2 - b^4 c^4 x z^2 + b^2 c^6 x z^2 +
2 a^6 b^2 y z^2 - 4 a^4 b^4 y z^2 + 2 a^2 b^6 y z^2 +
4 a^4 b^2 c^2 y z^2 + 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 y z^2 -
6 a^2 b^2 c^4 y z^2), -b^2 (-a^6 c^2 x^2 y + a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 y +
a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 y - b^6 c^2 x^2 y + a^4 c^4 x^2 y -
10 a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 y + b^4 c^4 x^2 y + a^2 c^6 x^2 y +
b^2 c^6 x^2 y - c^8 x^2 y - 2 a^6 c^2 x y^2 +
4 a^4 b^2 c^2 x y^2 - 2 a^2 b^4 c^2 x y^2 - 4 a^4 c^4 x y^2 -
4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x y^2 + 6 a^2 c^6 x y^2 + 6 a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 z -
4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 z - 2 b^6 c^2 x^2 z - 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 z +
4 b^4 c^4 x^2 z - 2 b^2 c^6 x^2 z - 6 a^6 c^2 y^2 z +
4 a^4 b^2 c^2 y^2 z + 2 a^2 b^4 c^2 y^2 z + 4 a^4 c^4 y^2 z -
4 a^2 b^2 c^4 y^2 z + 2 a^2 c^6 y^2 z + 2 a^6 b^2 x z^2 -
4 a^4 b^4 x z^2 + 2 a^2 b^6 x z^2 + 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 x z^2 +
4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x z^2 - 6 a^2 b^2 c^4 x z^2 + a^8 y z^2 -
a^6 b^2 y z^2 - a^4 b^4 y z^2 + a^2 b^6 y z^2 - a^6 c^2 y z^2 +
10 a^4 b^2 c^2 y z^2 - a^2 b^4 c^2 y z^2 - a^4 c^4 y z^2 -
a^2 b^2 c^4 y z^2 + a^2 c^6 y z^2),
c^2 (6 a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 y - 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 y - 2 b^6 c^2 x^2 y -
4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 y + 4 b^4 c^4 x^2 y - 2 b^2 c^6 x^2 y +
2 a^6 c^2 x y^2 + 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 x y^2 - 6 a^2 b^4 c^2 x y^2 -
4 a^4 c^4 x y^2 + 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x y^2 + 2 a^2 c^6 x y^2 -
a^6 b^2 x^2 z + a^4 b^4 x^2 z + a^2 b^6 x^2 z - b^8 x^2 z +
a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 z - 10 a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 z + b^6 c^2 x^2 z +
a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 z + b^4 c^4 x^2 z - b^2 c^6 x^2 z + a^8 y^2 z -
a^6 b^2 y^2 z - a^4 b^4 y^2 z + a^2 b^6 y^2 z - a^6 c^2 y^2 z +
10 a^4 b^2 c^2 y^2 z - a^2 b^4 c^2 y^2 z - a^4 c^4 y^2 z -
a^2 b^2 c^4 y^2 z + a^2 c^6 y^2 z - 2 a^6 b^2 x z^2 -
4 a^4 b^4 x z^2 + 6 a^2 b^6 x z^2 + 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 x z^2 -
4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x z^2 - 2 a^2 b^2 c^4 x z^2 - 6 a^6 b^2 y z^2 +
4 a^4 b^4 y z^2 + 2 a^2 b^6 y z^2 + 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 y z^2 -
4 a^2 b^4 c^2 y z^2 + 2 a^2 b^2 c^4 y z^2)}

--- In Hyacinthos@yahoogroups.com, "Antreas" <anopolis72@...> wrote:
>
> Do we have one more perspectivity???
>
> > [APH]:
> > Generalization:
> > Let P,P* be two isogonal conjugate points and A'B'C',A"B"C"
> > the antipedal triangles of P,P*, resp.
> > Which is the locus of P such that the triangles:
> > 3. ABC, Triangle bounded by (A'A",B'B",C'C")
> > are perspective ?
>
> [Francisco]:
> > With respect to 3., the triangle bounded by (A'A", B' B ",C'C")
> > is ALWAYS perspective with ABC.
>
> Now, denote:
>
> Abc = A'B' /\ A"C", Acb = A'C' /\ A"B"
>
> Bca = B'C' /\ B"A", Bac = B'A' /\ B"C"
>
> Cab = C'A' /\ C"B", Cba = C'B' /\ C"A"
>
> Which is the locus of P such that the triangles
> AbcBcaCab, AcbBacCba are perspective?
>
> Figure:
> http://anthrakitis.blogspot.gr/2013/03/perspectivity-antipedal-triangles-of-pp_19.html
>
> APH
>
• Dear Fancisco Javier. Also: If P lies on Darboux cubic the perspector of the triangles AbcBcaCab, AcbBacCba coincides with the isotomic conjugate of the
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Dear Fancisco Javier.

Also:

If P lies on Darboux cubic the perspector of the triangles AbcBcaCab, AcbBacCba coincides with the isotomic conjugate of the perspector of ABC and triangle bounded by (A'A", B'B ",C'C").

Does this happen only if P is in the Darboux cubic?

Some pairs of isogonal conjugate points (on Darboux cubic), and their corresponding perspector of the triangles AbcBcaCab, AcbBacCba:

(X3,X4): X512; (X20,X64): X647; (X40, X84): X663; .....

Angel M.

--- In Hyacinthos@yahoogroups.com, "Francisco Javier" <garciacapitan@...> wrote:
>
> They are again ALWAYS perspective. The coordinates of the perspector are shown below and it is infinite when P lies on K003.
>
> {a^2 (-2 a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 y + 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 y - 2 b^6 c^2 x^2 y -
> 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 y - 4 b^4 c^4 x^2 y + 6 b^2 c^6 x^2 y -
> a^6 c^2 x y^2 + a^4 b^2 c^2 x y^2 + a^2 b^4 c^2 x y^2 -
> b^6 c^2 x y^2 + a^4 c^4 x y^2 - 10 a^2 b^2 c^4 x y^2 +
> b^4 c^4 x y^2 + a^2 c^6 x y^2 + b^2 c^6 x y^2 - c^8 x y^2 +
> 2 a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 z + 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 z - 6 b^6 c^2 x^2 z -
> 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 z + 4 b^4 c^4 x^2 z + 2 b^2 c^6 x^2 z -
> 2 a^6 c^2 y^2 z - 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 y^2 z + 6 a^2 b^4 c^2 y^2 z +
> 4 a^4 c^4 y^2 z - 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 y^2 z - 2 a^2 c^6 y^2 z +
> a^6 b^2 x z^2 - a^4 b^4 x z^2 - a^2 b^6 x z^2 + b^8 x z^2 -
> a^4 b^2 c^2 x z^2 + 10 a^2 b^4 c^2 x z^2 - b^6 c^2 x z^2 -
> a^2 b^2 c^4 x z^2 - b^4 c^4 x z^2 + b^2 c^6 x z^2 +
> 2 a^6 b^2 y z^2 - 4 a^4 b^4 y z^2 + 2 a^2 b^6 y z^2 +
> 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 y z^2 + 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 y z^2 -
> 6 a^2 b^2 c^4 y z^2), -b^2 (-a^6 c^2 x^2 y + a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 y +
> a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 y - b^6 c^2 x^2 y + a^4 c^4 x^2 y -
> 10 a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 y + b^4 c^4 x^2 y + a^2 c^6 x^2 y +
> b^2 c^6 x^2 y - c^8 x^2 y - 2 a^6 c^2 x y^2 +
> 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 x y^2 - 2 a^2 b^4 c^2 x y^2 - 4 a^4 c^4 x y^2 -
> 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x y^2 + 6 a^2 c^6 x y^2 + 6 a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 z -
> 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 z - 2 b^6 c^2 x^2 z - 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 z +
> 4 b^4 c^4 x^2 z - 2 b^2 c^6 x^2 z - 6 a^6 c^2 y^2 z +
> 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 y^2 z + 2 a^2 b^4 c^2 y^2 z + 4 a^4 c^4 y^2 z -
> 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 y^2 z + 2 a^2 c^6 y^2 z + 2 a^6 b^2 x z^2 -
> 4 a^4 b^4 x z^2 + 2 a^2 b^6 x z^2 + 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 x z^2 +
> 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x z^2 - 6 a^2 b^2 c^4 x z^2 + a^8 y z^2 -
> a^6 b^2 y z^2 - a^4 b^4 y z^2 + a^2 b^6 y z^2 - a^6 c^2 y z^2 +
> 10 a^4 b^2 c^2 y z^2 - a^2 b^4 c^2 y z^2 - a^4 c^4 y z^2 -
> a^2 b^2 c^4 y z^2 + a^2 c^6 y z^2),
> c^2 (6 a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 y - 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 y - 2 b^6 c^2 x^2 y -
> 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 y + 4 b^4 c^4 x^2 y - 2 b^2 c^6 x^2 y +
> 2 a^6 c^2 x y^2 + 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 x y^2 - 6 a^2 b^4 c^2 x y^2 -
> 4 a^4 c^4 x y^2 + 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x y^2 + 2 a^2 c^6 x y^2 -
> a^6 b^2 x^2 z + a^4 b^4 x^2 z + a^2 b^6 x^2 z - b^8 x^2 z +
> a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 z - 10 a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 z + b^6 c^2 x^2 z +
> a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 z + b^4 c^4 x^2 z - b^2 c^6 x^2 z + a^8 y^2 z -
> a^6 b^2 y^2 z - a^4 b^4 y^2 z + a^2 b^6 y^2 z - a^6 c^2 y^2 z +
> 10 a^4 b^2 c^2 y^2 z - a^2 b^4 c^2 y^2 z - a^4 c^4 y^2 z -
> a^2 b^2 c^4 y^2 z + a^2 c^6 y^2 z - 2 a^6 b^2 x z^2 -
> 4 a^4 b^4 x z^2 + 6 a^2 b^6 x z^2 + 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 x z^2 -
> 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x z^2 - 2 a^2 b^2 c^4 x z^2 - 6 a^6 b^2 y z^2 +
> 4 a^4 b^4 y z^2 + 2 a^2 b^6 y z^2 + 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 y z^2 -
> 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 y z^2 + 2 a^2 b^2 c^4 y z^2)}
>
>
> --- In Hyacinthos@yahoogroups.com, "Antreas" <anopolis72@> wrote:
> >
> > Do we have one more perspectivity???
> >
> > > [APH]:
> > > Generalization:
> > > Let P,P* be two isogonal conjugate points and A'B'C',A"B"C"
> > > the antipedal triangles of P,P*, resp.
> > > Which is the locus of P such that the triangles:
> > > 3. ABC, Triangle bounded by (A'A",B'B",C'C")
> > > are perspective ?
> >
> > [Francisco]:
> > > With respect to 3., the triangle bounded by (A'A", B' B ",C'C")
> > > is ALWAYS perspective with ABC.
> >
> > Now, denote:
> >
> > Abc = A'B' /\ A"C", Acb = A'C' /\ A"B"
> >
> > Bca = B'C' /\ B"A", Bac = B'A' /\ B"C"
> >
> > Cab = C'A' /\ C"B", Cba = C'B' /\ C"A"
> >
> > Which is the locus of P such that the triangles
> > AbcBcaCab, AcbBacCba are perspective?
> >
> > Figure:
> > http://anthrakitis.blogspot.gr/2013/03/perspectivity-antipedal-triangles-of-pp_19.html
> >
> > APH
> >
>
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If P=(x:y:z), then the perspector S is complicated: the coordinates of its isotomic conjugate, that is infinite when P lies on K004, are...

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I was curious about the locus of the isotomic conjugate of S when P moves along Euler line. This lead to a elimination problem and gives a cubic.

You can see the calculations and the results at

http://garciacapitan.blogspot.com.es/2013/03/an-elimination-problem.html

--- In Hyacinthos@yahoogroups.com, "Francisco Javier" <garciacapitan@...> wrote:
>
> [APH]
>
> Generalization:
> Let P,P* be two isogonal conjugate points and A'B'C',A"B"C"
> the antipedal triangles of P,P*, resp.
> Which is the locus of P such that the triangles:
> 1. A"B"C", Triangle bounded by (AA',BB',CC')
> 2. A'B'C', Triangle bounded by (AA",BB",CC")
> 3. ABC, Triangle bounded by (A'A",B'B",C'C")
> are perspective ?
>
> ------------------------
>
>
> The loci in 1. and 2 are the same:
>
> line at infinity + circumcircle + K004 + three cubics, each one relative to one of the vertices.
>
> The cubic relative to A has equation
> 2 b^2 c^2 x^2 y + a^2 c^2 x y^2 + b^2 c^2 x y^2 + c^4 x y^2 +
> 2 b^2 c^2 x^2 z + 4 b^2 c^2 x y z + 2 a^2 c^2 y^2 z + a^2 b^2 x z^2 +
> b^4 x z^2 + b^2 c^2 x z^2 + 2 a^2 b^2 y z^2 =0.
>
> It intersects the line at infinity at the infinite points of the bisectors of angle A and at the infinite point of the A-altitude.
>
> It is its isogonal conjugate, then it intersects the circumcircle at the intersections of the circumcircle and the bisectors of angle A and at the antipode of A.
>
> With respect to 3., the triangle bounded by (A'A", B' B ",C'C")
> is ALWAYS perspective with ABC.
>
> If P=(x:y:z), then the perspector S is complicated: the coordinates of its isotomic conjugate, that is infinite when P lies on K004, are:
>
> {2 a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 y - 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 y + 2 b^6 c^2 x^2 y +
> 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 y + 4 b^4 c^4 x^2 y - 6 b^2 c^6 x^2 y +
> a^6 c^2 x y^2 - a^4 b^2 c^2 x y^2 - a^2 b^4 c^2 x y^2 +
> b^6 c^2 x y^2 - a^4 c^4 x y^2 + 10 a^2 b^2 c^4 x y^2 -
> b^4 c^4 x y^2 - a^2 c^6 x y^2 - b^2 c^6 x y^2 + c^8 x y^2 -
> 2 a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 z - 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 z + 6 b^6 c^2 x^2 z +
> 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 z - 4 b^4 c^4 x^2 z - 2 b^2 c^6 x^2 z +
> 2 a^6 c^2 y^2 z + 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 y^2 z - 6 a^2 b^4 c^2 y^2 z -
> 4 a^4 c^4 y^2 z + 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 y^2 z + 2 a^2 c^6 y^2 z -
> a^6 b^2 x z^2 + a^4 b^4 x z^2 + a^2 b^6 x z^2 - b^8 x z^2 +
> a^4 b^2 c^2 x z^2 - 10 a^2 b^4 c^2 x z^2 + b^6 c^2 x z^2 +
> a^2 b^2 c^4 x z^2 + b^4 c^4 x z^2 - b^2 c^6 x z^2 -
> 2 a^6 b^2 y z^2 + 4 a^4 b^4 y z^2 - 2 a^2 b^6 y z^2 -
> 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 y z^2 - 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 y z^2 +
> 6 a^2 b^2 c^4 y z^2, -a^6 c^2 x^2 y + a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 y +
> a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 y - b^6 c^2 x^2 y + a^4 c^4 x^2 y -
> 10 a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 y + b^4 c^4 x^2 y + a^2 c^6 x^2 y +
> b^2 c^6 x^2 y - c^8 x^2 y - 2 a^6 c^2 x y^2 + 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 x y^2 -
> 2 a^2 b^4 c^2 x y^2 - 4 a^4 c^4 x y^2 - 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x y^2 +
> 6 a^2 c^6 x y^2 + 6 a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 z - 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 z -
> 2 b^6 c^2 x^2 z - 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 z + 4 b^4 c^4 x^2 z -
> 2 b^2 c^6 x^2 z - 6 a^6 c^2 y^2 z + 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 y^2 z +
> 2 a^2 b^4 c^2 y^2 z + 4 a^4 c^4 y^2 z - 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 y^2 z +
> 2 a^2 c^6 y^2 z + 2 a^6 b^2 x z^2 - 4 a^4 b^4 x z^2 +
> 2 a^2 b^6 x z^2 + 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 x z^2 + 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x z^2 -
> 6 a^2 b^2 c^4 x z^2 + a^8 y z^2 - a^6 b^2 y z^2 - a^4 b^4 y z^2 +
> a^2 b^6 y z^2 - a^6 c^2 y z^2 + 10 a^4 b^2 c^2 y z^2 -
> a^2 b^4 c^2 y z^2 - a^4 c^4 y z^2 - a^2 b^2 c^4 y z^2 +
> a^2 c^6 y z^2, -6 a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 y + 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 y +
> 2 b^6 c^2 x^2 y + 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 y - 4 b^4 c^4 x^2 y +
> 2 b^2 c^6 x^2 y - 2 a^6 c^2 x y^2 - 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 x y^2 +
> 6 a^2 b^4 c^2 x y^2 + 4 a^4 c^4 x y^2 - 4 a^2 b^2 c^4 x y^2 -
> 2 a^2 c^6 x y^2 + a^6 b^2 x^2 z - a^4 b^4 x^2 z - a^2 b^6 x^2 z +
> b^8 x^2 z - a^4 b^2 c^2 x^2 z + 10 a^2 b^4 c^2 x^2 z -
> b^6 c^2 x^2 z - a^2 b^2 c^4 x^2 z - b^4 c^4 x^2 z + b^2 c^6 x^2 z -
> a^8 y^2 z + a^6 b^2 y^2 z + a^4 b^4 y^2 z - a^2 b^6 y^2 z +
> a^6 c^2 y^2 z - 10 a^4 b^2 c^2 y^2 z + a^2 b^4 c^2 y^2 z +
> a^4 c^4 y^2 z + a^2 b^2 c^4 y^2 z - a^2 c^6 y^2 z +
> 2 a^6 b^2 x z^2 + 4 a^4 b^4 x z^2 - 6 a^2 b^6 x z^2 -
> 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 x z^2 + 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 x z^2 + 2 a^2 b^2 c^4 x z^2 +
> 6 a^6 b^2 y z^2 - 4 a^4 b^4 y z^2 - 2 a^2 b^6 y z^2 -
> 4 a^4 b^2 c^2 y z^2 + 4 a^2 b^4 c^2 y z^2 - 2 a^2 b^2 c^4 y z^2}
>
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