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  • Allen Edwards
    Thank you, I stand corrected. Still the point remains that the bill passed the Senate by acclimation and filed in the House, credited to the Republicans. I
    Message 1 of 34 , Jan 30, 2009
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      Thank  you, I stand corrected.  Still the point remains that the bill passed the Senate by acclimation and filed in the House, credited to the Republicans.  I find it strange but not as strange as before you corrected me.

      Allen


      On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Bob <Lopakabob@...> wrote:

      Allen, the House Republicans didn't vote 100% against the bill.  The vote was 258-168 in favor of the bill.  A two-thirds majority vote was required because of the way the bill was presented.  Next week a simple majority vote will be all that is needed.

      LopakaBob


      --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, Allen Edwards <allen.edwards@...> wrote:
      >
      > Speaking of politics, how is it possible that the Senate Republicans can
      > vote 100% for a bill and the House Republicans can vote 100% against a bill.
      > How is this possible? Somebody is from a different planet. What is it
      > about the DTV bill that caused this? I have never in my life seen anything
      > like this.
      >
      > Allen


    • wilfsdad1965
      I m not sure that the free market we have here is any better, do you? It s not even a free market if the banks come whining with the begging bowl when
      Message 34 of 34 , Feb 13, 2009
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        I'm not sure that the 'free market' we have here is any better, do
        you? It's not even a 'free market' if the banks come whining with the
        begging bowl when things get tough. i bet they won't give any back
        when they start to rake in huge profits again.
        My 401k is now a 101k.



        --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "epicurusradium" <gene9@...> wrote:
        >
        > LOL ROF! "a guy like obama is a 'wet' conservative meaning he's
        > center right. not one democrat would be considered left leaning by
        > anybody in the uk or europe."
        >
        > Oh,oh, I had no idea! Did not realize quite how far Europe has sunk
        > into socialism. Well anyway ya all better get used to it. They have
        > already put socialized medicine into the porkulus (scuse me stimulus)
        > bill.
        > http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs#
        >
        > just say know ~
        > epicurusradium
        >
        > (My last response to this)
        >
        > --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "wilfsdad1965"
        > <wilfsdad1965@> wrote:
        > >
        > > i'm a registered independant, and from the UK originally, where
        > > quality journalism did not pander to market segments like it does here
        > > (although unfortunately that's changing there now too). so i can see
        > > with an outsiders view as to how far left or right the usa (in
        > > general) is. a guy like obama is a 'wet' conservative meaning he's
        > > center right. not one democrat would be considered left leaning by
        > > anybody in the uk or europe. but that's probably a whole different can
        > > of worms.
        > > both sides left and right think news is biased against them, and this
        > > discussion we're having is proof of that. that says more about the
        > > human ability to complain rather than congratulate than anything else.
        > > just remember if news does not relate to it's target audience they
        > > watch something else instead, that's why stations show the news they
        > > do, not some hidden liberal or conservative agenda on behalf of the
        > > journos or producers.
        > >
        > >
        > > --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "epicurusradium" <gene9@> wrote:
        > > >
        > > > Sorry Wilfsdad but it is you who has missed the point. What
        planet are
        > > > you living on anyway?
        > > >
        > > > What is assumed (by you and more than a few others)to be the center
        > > > mainstream, now is actually tilted significantly to the left. The
        > > > Democrat party of today is a far different animal from the
        Democratic
        > > > Party of 40-50 years ago. President Obama when still a senator was
        > > > known to be the farthest left member of that body -- which in
        2006-09
        > > > is saying a lot!
        > > >
        > > > Target audience? Why do you think all of the liberal newspapers are
        > > > going under? Remember Air America? Dull, boring and perhaps worst of
        > > > all, irrelevant, even to a skewed consensus reality.
        > > >
        > > > Hell, even with the minimal left social engineering of the 1940's
        > > > through '60s I was way out there on left field myself. Guess it goes
        > > > to the saying that:
        > > >
        > > > "If at 20 you are not a liberal you have no heart,
        > > > if at 50 you are not conservative you have no brain."
        > > > .....Or something like that.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "wilfsdad1965"
        > > > <wilfsdad1965@> wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > > i think you are missing the point of my rant (deliberately or
        > > > > accidentally). news is not biased to the left or the right, it is
        > > > > biased towards the stations target audience, like any other
        program.
        > > > > in the case of pbs it is to the left, everywhere else it is to the
        > > > > right, but not because of the journalists, but because of market
        > > > > research/segmentation whatever you want to call it. if you think
        > > > > everybody except fox news is left leaning, it means you are
        leaning
        > > > > more to the right than you think, not the other way around.
        > > > > it is just as applicable to radio. i think talk radio is an
        > > > > abomination, i don't care which way it leans. polemic and
        > inflamatory
        > > > > speech masquerading as 'journalism'.
        > > > >
        > > > > --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "epicurusradium" <gene9@>
        > wrote:
        > > > > >
        > > > > > Everything you just wrote here is also applicable to radio as
        > > well so
        > > > > > it seems to me the question is moot that there is no (pure)
        > > > > > information/news medium. Clearly (to anyone who is not limited
        > > to the
        > > > > > alphabet soup of TV outlets for their their news) there IS
        > > deliberate
        > > > > > bias in ALL news reporting, both left and right leaning. It just
        > > > > > happens that presently most is slanted left.
        > > > > >
        > > > > > Unless your news sources include the items reported on by talk
        > radio
        > > > > > hosts as well as internet news sites, you are not getting
        much of
        > > > > > anything the purveyors of network news don't want emphasized.
        > It is
        > > > > > every thinking persons duty to sift out the chaff or flack
        > from both
        > > > > > sides and there by come to know the truth (or as much of it
        as is
        > > > > > available anywhere).
        > > > > >
        > > > > > The fact that reporters in presidential 'news' conferences ask
        > > mostly
        > > > > > softball questions to avoid being placed on a black list and
        > > thus not
        > > > > > be called on next time is an unfortunate fact of life - which
        > > can only
        > > > > > be remedied by having ALL agree to ask the difficult
        questions --
        > > > > > which would be predicated on total objectivity by each
        > > 'journalist'.
        > > > > >
        > > > > > In case you missed that too, "public radio/TV stations are
        not any
        > > > > > more objective than any others simply because their subscriber
        > > base is
        > > > > > mostly left of center. Simple fact of life - artists and
        those who
        > > > > > most support them are almost always liberals - which is OK with
        > > me as
        > > > > > long as I have ALL points of view available from which to
        > choose (or
        > > > > > perhaps synthesize).
        > > > > >
        > > > > > - end of rant in response to rant :-) ~ epicurusradium.
        > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > > > --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "wilfsdad1965"
        > > > > > <wilfsdad1965@> wrote:
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > your reasoning is flawed. TV has ALWAYS been an entertainment
        > > > medium,
        > > > > > > and that includes the news. if ktvu/kron/kpix et al reported
        > REAL
        > > > > > > world news everybody would switch off and not buy products
        > > > advertised
        > > > > > > during the program, because they would be so appalled and
        > > > depressed at
        > > > > > > the state of our state/nation/world. why do you think they
        lead
        > > > with a
        > > > > > > story like 'rain in the bay area' when it rains?
        > > > > > > jeez, why do you think it was called Kraft playhouse theater
        > > back in
        > > > > > > the day, or why rod serling shilled for the tobacco industry.
        > > > > > > Sponsors run television.
        > > > > > > as for a liberal bias in mainstream news journalism? you
        really
        > > > think
        > > > > > > journalists make the news? i bet you think DJ's play only
        > > > records they
        > > > > > > like too. did you watch fox news on election night, it was
        > like a
        > > > > > > wake, hilarious. newscasters are just mouthpieces for sponsors
        > > > and if
        > > > > > > they don't stay on message, there are plenty lining up to take
        > > their
        > > > > > > place.
        > > > > > > ever wondered why the prez (whoever it is) is tossed up easy
        > > > questions
        > > > > > > at his press conference? because if you ask too many difficult
        > > > > > > questions you are denied access, your raised hand is ignored,
        > > > and that
        > > > > > > makes you useless as a reporter. so the washington bureau
        > > > > > > correspondants have to go along with it, or they're out of a
        > > job. it
        > > > > > > should of course be the other way around, the prez should
        > > answer the
        > > > > > > difficult questions or he is out of a job.
        > > > > > > how about fox 5 news in vegas who have mcdonalds ice tea on
        > their
        > > > > > > desks in blatant product placement.
        > > > > > > what i'd like to see is a little warning box come up on the
        > screen
        > > > > > > when the segment we are watching is payola and not real news.
        > > > > > > ask the late bill hicks why his last Letterman appearance
        which
        > > > > > > included a joke making fun of pro lifers was cut from
        broadcast,
        > > > > > > whilst a pro life advert appeared during said show.
        > > > > > > PBS is now hardly any different, the adverts come in the
        form of
        > > > > > > underwriting at the end or beginning of shows. and most of the
        > > stuff
        > > > > > > they buy is british sitcoms, comedy, drama, as opposed to
        > > american.
        > > > > > > KALW rang me up after i stopped my membership a few years
        > > back. when
        > > > > > > asked what would make me return i told them "get rid of your
        > > adverts
        > > > > > > and go back to being a public radio station".
        > > > > > > end of rant.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "epicurusradium"
        <gene9@>
        > > > wrote:
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > :-)
        > > > > > > > Well Allen, as a FORMER lifelong liberal Democrat (for 40+
        > > yrs) I
        > > > > > > > agree that it is totally political - as is just about
        > > > everything the
        > > > > > > > D's and R's do. As for the rest of your 'cult of the
        > > personality'
        > > > > > > > message - just wait and see.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Someone above said (sorry forgot name/ID) TV is only an
        > > > > entertainment
        > > > > > > > medium. I agree in part, TV is as it now exists is mostly an
        > > > > > > > entertainment medium. The 'news' it does provide, except for
        > > > > local, is
        > > > > > > > only that which those in the 'journalism'/news
        > 'profession' want
        > > > > shown
        > > > > > > > (that which does not fit the 'liberal' agenda is quickly
        swept
        > > > under
        > > > > > > > the rug, if it is covered at all. PBS is somewhat
        different in
        > > > > that it
        > > > > > > > is educational in part but of course is also slanted way
        left
        > > > > > > > politically. The problem here as with most, is that we get
        > > what we
        > > > > > > > deserve in the larger sense.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, Allen Edwards
        > > > > > > > <allen.edwards@> wrote:
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > I am a life long Democrat and this thing is totally
        > > > political and
        > > > > > > > > STUPID. It is designed to put the transition past the
        > > first 100
        > > > > > days
        > > > > > > > > so as not to have 6 million pissed of people distracting
        > from
        > > > > > all the
        > > > > > > > > good things Obama is going to do for the country. I
        should
        > > > add, 6
        > > > > > > > > million dumb ass pissed off people. My apologies to any
        > > > dumb ass
        > > > > > > > > stupid people I may have offended. Now, if moving the DTV
        > > > > > transition
        > > > > > > > > allows us to get out of Iraq, get peace in the Middle
        East,
        > > > > get the
        > > > > > > > > economy back on track, and fix global warming, I am
        all for
        > > > > it. So,
        > > > > > > > > like Bush says, history will be the judge and we won't
        know
        > > > > until we
        > > > > > > > > are all dead.
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > Allen
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 4:44 PM, naturalcat <naturalcat@>
        > > wrote:
        > > > > > > > > > i think the key was the "optional" component which
        was an
        > > > escape
        > > > > > > > > > clause for anyone opposing the bill. however, as
        > others here
        > > > > have
        > > > > > > > > > pointed out, it's not so optional b/c channel
        changes need
        > > > to be
        > > > > > > > > > coordinated in wide swaths of area. i'm disappointed
        > > with the
        > > > > > > > > > decision, but it seems to be an unstoppable snowball
        > at this
        > > > > > point.
        > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, Link Perry
        > > <link.perry@>
        > > > > > > > > > wrote:
        > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > >>
        > > > > > > > > >> Well, since the bill passed the Senate unanimously, I
        > don't
        > > > > > see how
        > > > > > > > > > you lay
        > > > > > > > > >> blame fully on the Dems. If it passed that way in the
        > > > > Senate, you
        > > > > > > > > > can be
        > > > > > > > > >> sure it will sail through the House.
        > > > > > > > > >>
        > > > > > > > > >> Link
        > > > > > > > > >>
        > > > > > > > > >> On 1/27/09, epicurusradium <gene9@> wrote:
        > > > > > > > > >> >
        > > > > > > > > >> > I wonder also,, if we still had a Republican
        > > administration
        > > > > > (with
        > > > > > > > > > all
        > > > > > > > > >> > it's faults) whether this nonsense would be
        > > happening? The
        > > > > > party
        > > > > > > > > > now
        > > > > > > > > >> > in power is notorious for pandering to a constituency
        > > that
        > > > > > > > > > chronically
        > > > > > > > > >> > expects government to solve all their problems for
        > > > > > them..... 'for
        > > > > > > > > > free'.
        > > > > > > > > >> >
        > > > > > > > > >> >
        > > > > > > > > >> > --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "xhpspd"
        > > > > <allen.edwards@>
        > > > > > > > > > wrote:
        > > > > > > > > >> > >
        > > > > > > > > >> > > Looks like we will get an optional delay for
        the DTV
        > > > > > > tramsition.
        > > > > > > > > >> > > Stupid stupid decision, imho, but that is
        beside the
        > > > point.
        > > > > > > > > >> > >
        > > > > > > > > >> > > What I am wondering is will the stations keep to
        > their
        > > > > > schedule
        > > > > > > > > > and
        > > > > > > > > >> > > switch over on Feb 17, or will they delay? Can they
        > > even
        > > > > > > > > > switch? I
        > > > > > > > > >> > > mean, can some stations move to their new frequency
        > > > > locations
        > > > > > > > > > while
        > > > > > > > > >> > > other analog stations stay put. Can they switch to
        > > > the full
        > > > > > > > > > power DTV
        > > > > > > > > >> > > transmissions while the analog stations are still
        > > > > there? Who
        > > > > > > > > > is going
        > > > > > > > > >> > > to coordinate this hodge podge station by station
        > > > > transition?
        > > > > > > > > > Are
        > > > > > > > > >> > > stations going to have to coordinate with each
        other
        > > > > > region by
        > > > > > > > > > region?
        > > > > > > > > >> > >
        > > > > > > > > >> > > I know some people on this list work at local
        > > > stations. Can
        > > > > > > > > > you share
        > > > > > > > > >> > > the thinking of your station on this optional
        switch?
        > > > > > > > > >> > >
        > > > > > > > > >> > > What are customers going to think if stations
        > > switch even
        > > > > > > > > > though being
        > > > > > > > > >> > > told by news stories that there was a delay? Did
        > I read
        > > > > that
        > > > > > > > > > there is
        > > > > > > > > >> > > a bribe in the legislation to keep stations from
        > > > switching
        > > > > > > > > > (bribe is
        > > > > > > > > >> > > the wrong word, I think it is covering their
        costs).
        > > > > > > > > >> > >
        > > > > > > > > >> > > Allen
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