RE: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Antenna Rules
If all you watch is local television I would suggest never ever go third party delivery. There are however 400+ non local television channels that are available via the third party delivery method and not available via local broadcasters. The choice is yours. Of course if you spend enough time watching television to make the cost a break even point I’d suggest you get a hobby as it might be a good idea.
Third party delivery is not a quality issue as far as I’m concerned. It’s in fact a decision is local broadcast content enough to satisfy the entertainment need? By the way I’ve been a local broadcaster by occupation for 40+ years.
From: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com [mailto: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Louis R Briones
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Antenna Rules
What I find that is a bother to me is the fact the small dish providers,
along with Cable providers have the right to mislead the general public as
to the ways they are delivering the local broadcast TV stations, depending
on the area that one lives, knowing very well the the local broadcast
television is not being directly sent to one's receiving device whatever it
might be. I say this as mention by the following message below
"C-Band quality is superior to any other viable delivery method. Almost all
Cable, DirecTV, and Dish Net channels originate from the C-Band Backbone,
the very same C-Band Master Broadcasts we enjoy first generation. Little
dish and cable bandwidth limitations force providers to compress "the crap"
out of the unadulterated C-Band master broadcast, before sending them to
their "Pizza Pan" Satellites, and cable headends. Over compression causes
channels to become fuzzy and colors are washed out. They save by delivering
compressed "sardine TV". Why pay more for over compressed 3rd generation
washed out TV?"
Then you keep hearing in the news of the prices going up three times a year
with false advertisement of Turbo boost HD. What is the meaning of Turbo
boost HD, when it doesn't not make any different as to the way the small
dish receiver is performing in the first place. The quality of the picture
and the sound is still going to remain the same, with a 2 to 3 second delay,
by the time the signal reaches one's home receiving device. then there is
the fact of the poor quality with the sound and knowing with these small
dish providers and your local cable operator, can not seem to give you as to
what audio bit rate they are using.
What I find interesting is that your local Network TV stations has a much
better quality with respect to the picture and sound and also with their
audio bit rate having a much higher quality.
I agree with the person who has posted the fact as his sound reason for not
paying for a broadcast TV stations when the local TV stations is free in the
first place, and it is not right for one being forced to pay to view a local
broadcast TV station also outline here in this message.
This is a really nice rule. When I fought my city years ago regarding
a long wire HAM antenna, contract law was not preempted but I see now
that it is. I won, btw. Good news for OTA viewers.
You can only put the antenna up in areas you control, however, so the
roof of your apartment building are still off limits. That would not
stop me from going up and installing one and waiting to see if anyone
complained, however... assuming I was prepared to part with the
antenna if someone took it down.
--- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Swank" <rswank@...>
> Only if the antenna installation is considered a public health or
> issue can it be prevented and that would require a city or countyofficial
> to declare that. It might require or be best to have a buildingpermit if
> everyone gets to fighting over the installation. I believe there isa
> restriction on tower height or a height that a permit is required ifSFbay@yahoogroups.com]
> exceeded. I'm no expert on this however,
> From: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com [mailto:HDTV-in-
> On Behalf Of Nick SayerAlto
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:02 AM
> To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Re: Can't get KNTV digital signal in Palo
> --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@ <mailto:HDTV-in-SFbay%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com, "Louis R Briones" <cbandman1949@> wrote:
> > Reception issues seem to be the problem when one's live in an
> > Home owner, when 20-30 miles away from the television transmitter
> > then there is the cost of the three providers raising theirprices, making
> > it very difficult for those that are on a fixed income unable to
> > kind of service. What is one to do in this case, given this fact?prevent
> Put up an antenna! Landlords and home owner's associations cannot
> you from doingwith this
> so. Google "FCC OTARD".
> > It would seem that the government would have found a better way
> > reception issues with the hope of finding a much easier solution,finding
> > something in the law enforcing the apartment associations alike toinstall
> > some kind of receiving antenna so that folks that are on a fixed
> > would have the full benefits to enjoy their over the air receptionof the
> > local channels within their given area.
> Surprise! They did!
- I would suggest you ask if you can put an antenna on the roof. If a
UHF antenna gets the stations you want, they really are not that
large. A friend is using an old one of mine and it is about a foot
long, an inch high, and less than a foot wide. You would mount it to
a pole on a block of wood and set it on a flat roof of an apartment
building. You could bring the coax in through a crack in an open
window. Perhaps a piece of wood with a hole in it could fill the
otherwise open window. Me, I would just put the thing up there but
asking is probably the right way to do it.
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Herold Finkelmeyer <herry@...> wrote:
> I've been reading this thread with interest.
> It seems to me that the FCC rule protects home-owners (and even some
> home-renters) who want to put up an antenna, but I fail to see what it
> does for people in my situation. I live in an apartment; the only space
> that isn't shared is inside my apartment. So where am I to put up a
> decent antenna? I suppose I could put one up inside, but that would
> take up half my apartment.
> Cable and satellite aren't reasonable options, either. I watch so
> little TV regularly, I'm not going to pay $15/mo (or more) just to
> watch a dozen episodes of the Simpsons each year.
> I really doubt the FCC rule that's been mentioned would let me climb on
> the roof of the apartment building I'm in to put up an antenna. And the
> closest thing I have to a balcony is the common walkway in front.
> Anyone have any good suggestions besides downloading the shows via p2p
> (which is basically stealing)?
> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:21:56 -0700
> "Richard Swank" <rswank@...> wrote:
>> Only if the antenna installation is considered a public health or
>> safety issue can it be prevented and that would require a city or
>> county official to declare that. It might require or be best to have
>> a building permit if everyone gets to fighting over the
>> installation. I believe there is a restriction on tower height or a
>> height that a permit is required if exceeded. I'm no expert on this
>> From: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sayer
>> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:02 AM
>> To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Re: Can't get KNTV digital signal in Palo
>> --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@ <mailto:HDTV-in-SFbay%40yahoogroups.com>
>> yahoogroups.com, "Louis R Briones" <cbandman1949@...> wrote:
>> > Reception issues seem to be the problem when one's live in an
>> > apartment or
>> > Home owner, when 20-30 miles away from the television transmitter
>> > site.2. then there is the cost of the three providers raising their
>> > prices, making
>> > it very difficult for those that are on a fixed income unable to
>> > have any kind of service. What is one to do in this case, given
>> > this fact?
>> Put up an antenna! Landlords and home owner's associations cannot
>> prevent you from doing
>> so. Google "FCC OTARD".
>> > It would seem that the government would have found a better way
>> > with this reception issues with the hope of finding a much easier
>> > solution, finding something in the law enforcing the apartment
>> > associations alike to install
>> > some kind of receiving antenna so that folks that are on a fixed
>> > income would have the full benefits to enjoy their over the air
>> > reception of the local channels within their given area.
>> Surprise! They did!