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  • Peter Simon
    Even better, why cannot they send a 4:3 image with bars on the side that change colors periodically to prevent burn in?? ... From: Michael-Reilly@att.net
    Message 1 of 50 , Sep 6, 2002
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      Even better, why cannot they send a 4:3 image with bars on the side that change colors periodically to prevent burn in??
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      From: Michael-Reilly@... [mailto:Michael-Reilly@...]
      Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 10:46 AM
      To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Re: KRON - New stretched format???????

      I still do not see a reason to stretch/distort a 4:3
      image just to fill a 16:9 rectangle.  I would prefer a
      4:3 image centered in the 16:9 box (with the black bars
      on the sides).  Anyone at home is free to do what they
      want with that image, including stretching it themselves.

      Why should the broadcaster do it and force everyone to
      watch the distorted image instead of giving each viewer
      the ability to choose?

      I have often wonder why none of the local stations do
      their news in HD (at least the studio portion of it).  I
      would also have expected to see some commercials in HD
      by now.

      Does any local station besides KQED even have plans for
      local HD programming?

      michael
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          Michael Reilly
        Michael-Reilly@...

                       
                       
      > I never said it was a bad thing.  All I'm saying is, with the
      > stations constantly broadcasting in 16:9 mode right now, I would
      > rather see them selectively (obviously, it doesn't work with
      > everything) zoom in the picture and have them try to take that into
      > account with graphics.
      >
      > If the stations did a 4:3 picture in true 4:3 format (like KBWB,
      > KICU, and except for "Enterprise", KBHK), that would be fine.  I'd be
      > all for it.  I would agree with you completely.  They don't, though
      > (KTVU, KRON, KPIX, KGO, KQED, and KNTV dont, anyway).  When they run
      > in 4:3, they put a 4:3 window on a 16:9 screen.  For most people, you
      > have no choice except to watch it that way.  You then either have to
      > have gray bars on the left and right (which typically crop too much)
      > or risk screen burn-in.  If they can't switch to the native 4:3 mode
      > that would give everyone the choice they want, I think a good
      > alternative would be to go with selective shows being zoomed-in
      > (cropped on the top and bottom) to fill 16:9 on the .1's and standard
      > 4:3 on the .2's.  Why is it such a bad thing to come up with a
      > compromise solution that would work for everyone?  I never said it
      > was the best solution, but it would allow the most flexibility short
      > of them actively switching their format between 16:9 and 4:3 based
      > upon what they're showing.  Again, the best choice would be for them
      > to switch between 16:9 and 4:3 modes based upon the program content,
      > but I don't think that'll happen. 
      >
      > Now then, is my opinion such a bad thing?
      >
      > BTW...Did you know stations up in Seattle show their local news in
      > true HDTV?  They're not even network-owned!  Why can't the network
      > O&O stations here convert?  For KRON, if they're looking for a reason
      > to get people to keep tuning in, that would sure be one reason,
      > wouldn't it?
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@y..., Michael-Reilly@a... wrote:
      > > Regardless of how the signal is changed (cropped,
      > > stretched, etc.) I think it is a bad thing.  I would like
      > > to see the stations broadcast the original picture,
      > > complete in its original aspect ratio concentrating on
      > > maintaining the high quality Digital TV is capable of.
      > > Let each
      > > person at home do what they wish with the picture.
      > >
      > > Why is that such a bad thing?
      > >
      > > michael
      > > --
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      > >                  
      > >                  
      > > > You are, of course, entitled to your opionion.  I, respectfully,
      > > > disagree with it, though.
      > > >
      > > > I also am not talking about distorted picture.  I am advocating
      > > > cropped picture.  There is a difference.  I do not like distorted
      > > > picture, either.
      > > >
      > > > --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@y..., Michael-Reilly@a... wrote:
      > > > > >>However, you read further, I talked about how KGO was
      > > > > >>running 16:9 zoomed on 7.1 and 4:3 on 7.2.
      > > > >
      > > > > Why bother?  The qaulity on 7.2 is worse than DirecTV.
      > > > > There is no reason to distort a signal OTA.  The 4:3
      > > > > quality on the stations whichdo not distort is excellant.
      > > > >  Why not get such good quality on all stations when HD is
      > > > > not available?
      > > > >
      > > > > >>I would suggest that they all run in 16x9 zoomed (when
      > > > > >>there isn't true HD available) on the .1 channels and
      > > > > >>run 4:3 on the .2 channels.  That would solve the issue
      > > > > >>quite well.
      > > > >
      > > > > I would recommend that the all transmit an undistorted
      > > > > signal on the .1 channel and on the .2 channel.  That way
      > > > > poeple who like the distortion can do it to the .2
      > > > > channel themselves wtihout forcing everyone to watch the
      > > > > distortion.  Those who like undistorted video can watch .1.
      > > > >
      > > > > michael
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      > > > > ---- ---- ----
      > > > >     Michael Reilly
      > > > >   Michael-Reilly@w...
      > > > >
      > > > >                  
      > > > >                  
      > > > > > I agree, the quality of the stations on DirecTV really stinks.
      > > > > > However, you read further, I talked about how KGO was running
      > > > 16:9
      > > > > > zoomed on 7.1 and 4:3 on 7.2.
      > > > > > I would suggest that they all run in 16x9 zoomed (when there
      > > > isn't
      > > > > > true HD available) on the .1 channels and run 4:3 on the .2
      > > > > > channels.  That would solve the issue quite well.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > It would be nice if they made the 4:3 pictures "16:9 safe",
      > > > though,
      > > > > > too (in general).
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Does anyone else think it really sucks that programs like ER
      > and
      > > > Star
      > > > > > Trek Enterprise are shown in letterboxed mode when they could
      > be
      > > > run
      > > > > > in 16:9 mode?  With KBHK running in 4:3 mode, most receivers
      > will
      > > > > > allow you to zoom it (while sacrificing resolution)...but for
      > > > > > programs like ER, you're pretty much stuck because they run
      > 16:9
      > > > with
      > > > > > black bars on the left and right.
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@y..., Peter Cold <petercold@y...> wrote:
      > > > > > > not true.  the picture quality on the digital stations
      > > > > > > is much better then the crap you get from the dish.
      > > > > > > if i want to watch a giants game on ktvu-dt, it should
      > > > > > > not have all the graphics cut off along with the tops
      > > > > > > of everyone's heads.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > --- mhensley25 <mhensley25@a...> wrote:
      > > > > > > > I like the cropped 16x9 picture, though I'd like to
      > > > > > > > see them
      > > > > > > > dynamically switch it depending on content (because
      > > > > > > > it simply doesn't
      > > > > > > > work on show programming).  For many things movies,
      > > > > > > > they film for the
      > > > > > > > 1.85:1 "flat" movie screen, but film in full 4:3
      > > > > > > > mode and made to
      > > > > > > > be "TV safe".  I wish for things that the stations
      > > > > > > > have control of,
      > > > > > > > it would be nice if they did the same thing.  The
      > > > > > > > problem with
      > > > > > > > watching the news or TV shows is that information
      > > > > > > > gets cut off.  If
      > > > > > > > they just moved the overlays up or down a little
      > > > > > > > bit, everyone would
      > > > > > > > be happy.  I like the DTV signals being 16:9,
      > > > > > > > though.  If people want
      > > > > > > > 4:3, they can watch the programming on DirecTV,
      > > > > > > > Dish, cable, or even
      > > > > > > > analog OTA (or in the case of KGO, at least, in SDTV
      > > > > > > > 4:3 mode on 7.2).
      > > > > > > >
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    • dgottlieb
      My WS55907 does the same thing. I thought it was a problem w/ the set and I called Mits customer service. They indicated that it was a normal feature to
      Message 50 of 50 , Sep 12, 2002
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        My WS55907 does the same thing. I thought it was a problem w/ the
        set and I called Mits customer service. They indicated that it was
        a normal feature to combat burn in.



        --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@y..., "anastrophe2" <yhgroups@a...> wrote:
        > Do you have a reference for this? None of my mitsubishi docs, or
        > anything on the website, states this. I've read it in reference to
        > the Philips widescreen RPTV's, but not Mitsu's (i have the 73909)
        >
        > --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@y..., "mhensley25" <mhensley25@a...> wrote:
        > > Mitsubishi HDTV's will shift the bars every day, like you're
        > > talking about, on a 4:3 mode picture. However, if stations did
        > > that, you'd hear complaints about how the picture is off-center.
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