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  • Peter Hudson
    I will be out of the country until Sunday, August 14th. I will be able to check mail periodically, but may not be able to get back to you until
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      I will be out of the country until Sunday, August 14th. I will be
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      you until I return.

      Thanks,

      Pete

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      > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 06:01:46 -0700
      > From: Peter Hudson <hudson99@...>
      > Subject: Re:Digest Number 1569
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      >> From: Peter Hudson <hudson99@...>
      >> Subject: Re:Digest Number 1568
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      >>> There are 7 messages in this issue.
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      >>> Topics in this digest:
      >>>
      >>> 1. RE: Re: Reception along San Pablo Bay
      >>> From: "Larry Johnson" <LJJJohnson@...>
      >>> 2. Re: Yellow band across top on KQED-HD?
      >>> From: rob pfile <pfile@...>
      >>> 3. Re: Yellow band across top on KQED-HD?
      >>> From: "Todd" <ignasiak@...>
      >>> 4. Re: Reception along San Pablo Bay
      >>> From: "Bob" <Lopakabob@...>
      >>> 5. Re: Reception along San Pablo Bay
      >>> From: Larry Kenney <Larry@...>
      >>> 6. Grand Prix in HD?
      >>> From: "Gary Penovich" <garypen@...>
      >>> 7. Re: Grand Prix in HD?
      >>> From: Robert C Nichols <bobnsj@...>
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      >>> Message: 1
      >>> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:34:30 -0700
      >>> From: "Larry Johnson" <LJJJohnson@...>
      >>> Subject: RE: Re: Reception along San Pablo Bay
      >>>
      >>> Hi Bob -
      >>>
      >>> Would you know where I could get a rotor? I plan to do the install
      >>> this
      >>> weekend. Thanks for the idea.
      >>>
      >>> Larry in Pinole
      >>>
      >>> ----Original Message Follows----
      >>> From: "Bob" <Lopakabob@...>
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      >>> To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com
      >>> Subject: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Re: Reception along San Pablo Bay
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      >>> Larry in Pinole,
      >>>
      >>> You write: << Unfortunately, I am having difficulty playing
      >>> spiderman along my 20 foot high roofline at my arthritic age. in
      >>> addition, each time I go aloft, I must first visit Home Depot to
      >>> rent their terribly expensive extension ladder... Because the
      >>> ladder needs returning to Home Depot, my adjustments will be
      >>> swift... Plan B would be to turn the antenna around and point it
      >>> toward Sacramento...>>
      >>>
      >>> When you put up the new antenna you might want to consider
      >>> installing a rotor at the same time.
      >>>
      >>> LopakaBob
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "Larry Johnson"
      >>> <LJJJohnson@h...> wrote:
      >>>> Hello Larry -
      >>>>
      >>>> Yes, I get these stations as well. These channels come in the hi
      >>> 60% range just as the others.
      >>>>
      >>>> 9.1, 9.2, 9.3, 9.4, 9.5 start flaking to 20% every 20 seconds or
      >>> so at nite. 38.1 is a shoppers channel which never seems to flake
      >>> out (I don't watch this much) 44.1 comes in strong (steadily around
      >>> 67%) 66.1 also comes in strong (but is in a foreign language so I
      >>> have not monitored it much)
      >>>>
      >>>> 26 comes in but I cannot recall if 26.1 comes in (again I think it
      >>> is a
      >>>> foreign language)
      >>>> 65 came in at one time I believe but can't recall.
      >>>>
      >>>> I have had my TV rescan the channels several times. Depending on
      >>> the time
      >>>> of day (or nite), I will get a different batch of selections. I
      >>> suspect
      >>>> this depends on whether or not the channel has a strong signal at
      >>> the moment
      >>>> of the scan.
      >>>>
      >>>> I can appreciate your advice on locating the antenna a few feet
      >>> away to
      >>>> receive the optimum signal. I was not aware there was such a
      >>> dramatic
      >>>> difference. This might explain why I felt we received better
      >>> reception with
      >>>> the antenna sitting in our upstairs bathroom window than what we
      >>> currently
      >>>> receive with the antenna perched on the east apex of my roofline.
      >>>>
      >>>> Unfortunately, I am having difficulty playing spiderman along my
      >>> 20 foot
      >>>> high roofline at my arthritic age. in addition, each time I go
      >>> aloft, I
      >>>> must first visit Home Depot to rent their terribly expensive
      >>> extension
      >>>> ladder.
      >>>>
      >>>> I have built a wooden structured mount on the east gable of my
      >>> roofline.
      >>>> It was built to accomodate the Terk HDTVs. I expect I will need
      >>> to expand
      >>>> this wooden mount to accomodate the heavier CM 4228 (13lbs?) & the
      >>> 10 foot
      >>>> pole I plan to mount it on. I expect once the 10 foot pole is
      >>> strapped to
      >>>> my east gable, I will have a remaining eight foot vertical plane
      >>> to slide
      >>>> the CM 4228 up & down to search for my best location. Hopefully
      >>> the
      >>>> stronger antenna wil do the trick.
      >>>>
      >>>> Plan B would be to turn the antenna around and point it toward
      >>> Sacramento or
      >>>> the towers in you web page. I will study your page for options.
      >>> I am new
      >>>> to this area so I need to brush up on where these towers are.
      >>> Because the
      >>>> ladder needs returning to Home Depot, my adjustments will be swift.
      >>>>
      >>>> Outside of this I will need a younger body to explore the
      >>> possibilities.
      >>>>
      >>>> I also appreciate the explanation on the sudden and dibilitating
      >>> signal
      >>>> strength. They seem to be more prevalent after dark. I'll
      >>> continue to
      >>>> watch for possibilities of their cause and let you know my
      >>> thoughts.
      >>>>
      >>>> If it were not for the flaky evening PBS channels my quest might
      >>> be over.
      >>>> Since I work in the day we need improved reception at night.
      >>>>
      >>>> Thank you so much for your input. Once my quest is over I would
      >>> like to
      >>>> document and submit the final outcome. I will post it in this
      >>> forum.
      >>>> Thanks again and we'll talk with you later.
      >>>>
      >>>> Larry in Pinole.
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>> ----Original Message Follows----
      >>>> From: Larry Kenney <Larry@L...>
      >>>> Reply-To: HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com
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      >>>> Subject: [HDTV-in-SFbay] Re: Reception along San Pablo Bay
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      >>>> ljjjohnson wrote:
      >>>>
      >>>>> I have mounted a Terk HDTVs (a.k.a. as the Winegard
      >>> SquareShooter
      >>>>> HDTV2) on the east apex of my 2-story house along San Pablo Bay.
      >>>>> This antenna is pointed toward Sutro tower at 188 degrees.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> I get channel 2 and channel 7 at 65%. These channels will drop
      >>>>> intermittently to 20% causing temporary loss of reception.
      >>> Channels
      >>>>> 4 & 5 are not receivable. These 2 unreceivable channels
      >>> receive a
      >>>>> steady 10% signal. Channels 20, 22, 13, 32, 3, 43, & 68 also
      >>> come in
      >>>>> at around 66% and rarely flake out to 22%.
      >>>> <snip>
      >>>>> I have ordered a CM 4228 as a replacement which should arrive
      >>> this
      >>>>> Friday for a weekend install.
      >>>>
      >>>> The CM 4228 will definitely increase your signal strength. It's a
      >>> MUCH
      >>>> better antenna. Whether or not that will help you receive
      >>> channels 4
      >>>> and 5, I don't know, but it might. You didn't mention 9, 38, 44
      >>> or 66
      >>>> which also come from Sutro, nor 26 and 65 which come from Mt. San
      >>> Bruno.
      >>>> Do you can any of those stations? You might want to try
      >>> different
      >>>> locations for your antenna, if you can. Moving it just a few feet
      >>> one
      >>>> way or the other can make the difference between no reception of a
      >>>> station and perfect reception. Find the spot where you get the
      >>> most
      >>>> stations and use that if you can.
      >>>>
      >>>> Check my website for a complete list of Bay Area stations:
      >>>> http://www.choisser.com/sfonair.html
      >>>> It shows the channels and transmitter locations, along with a lot
      >>> of
      >>>> other information about each station, so it should help you pull
      >>> in some
      >>>> of the other stations.
      >>>>
      >>>> I'm in San Francisco, so can't help with the question about
      >>> reception
      >>>> along San Pablo Bay.
      >>>>
      >>>> You're doing very well to receive channels 3 and 13 since they're
      >>> coming
      >>>> from the Walnut Grove antenna site over in the Delta in the
      >>> opposite
      >>>> direction from Sutro. With those you at least get NBC and CBS,
      >>> and you
      >>>> don't get those two networks from SF-San Jose!
      >>>>
      >>>> What's causing the intermittent drop in signal on channels 2 and 7
      >>> is a
      >>>> big unknown. It could be due to aircraft flying by, traffic on a
      >>> street
      >>>> near you, or some other thing that comes and goes. I have a
      >>> problem
      >>>> where the local Muni bus or other large vehicle going by the house
      >>> will
      >>>> cause the signal to drop out briefly on a couple of channels.
      >>>>
      >>>> Good luck with your CM4228 installation. Let us know how it fairs!
      >>>>
      >>>> Larry
      >>>> SF
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
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      >>> Message: 2
      >>> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:51:49 -0700
      >>> From: rob pfile <pfile@...>
      >>> Subject: Re: Yellow band across top on KQED-HD?
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> i have the same setup here and i've not seen that problem. the
      >>> machine
      >>> is running 2.6.7-mh1, myth 0.16, nvidia driver 6629 with geforce
      >>> 5700LE. i have my tv set for "dot-for-dot" mode and i do get a green
      >>> band of junk on the right side of KGO broadcasts, but i dont think
      >>> i've
      >>> ever seen a band across the top of KQED broadcasts, and certainly
      >>> never
      >>> one that disrupts the picture.
      >>>
      >>> one thing you might try is playing back a recorded KQED stream with
      >>> mplayer to see if the same thing happens. also you might try futzing
      >>> with the deinterlacing settings in myth...
      >>>
      >>> rob
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>> I recently set up a MythTV HD PVR, and I'm still getting it all
      >>>> smoothed out. So, I'm not sure if this is something in the
      >>>> broadcast,
      >>>> or some issue on my end.
      >>>>
      >>>> I get a yellow/green band across the top 5% or so of the screen on
      >>>> KQED's HD channel. On the bottom edge it bleeds down into the
      >>>> image
      >>>> in random blocky distruptions. So, it looks to be an issue in some
      >>>> phase of the MPEG processing.. either encoding at KQED or
      >>>> decoding
      >>>> on my end.
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>> Is anyone else seeing this?
      >>>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
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      >>> Message: 3
      >>> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:26:45 -0000
      >>> From: "Todd" <ignasiak@...>
      >>> Subject: Re: Yellow band across top on KQED-HD?
      >>>
      >>> Thanks for the responses. So, I guess it's not a broadcast issue,
      >>> I'll look more into my system.
      >>>
      >>> My setup is a bit more bleeding edge, because I'm using a card
      >>> that is
      >>> just recently supported.. kernel 2.6.13-rc3-mm1, MythTV svn build
      >>> 6958, Nvidia drivers 7667, with a GeForce FX5200 card. Also, it's
      >>> running on an Athlon 64, in x86-64 mode. I have a FusionHDTV3 QAM
      >>> card in the system, along with a pchdtv.com HD3000.
      >>>
      >>> Overall it works very well. It's much better than the standalone
      >>> receiver cards I used under Windows. MythTV has great scheduling
      >>> capabilities via the OSD or WWW interface, transcoding support,
      >>> commercial removal, etc..
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> I just need to figure out this little glitch, which only shows up
      >>> some
      >>> of the time, and get XvMC MPEG acceleration working reliably.
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, rob pfile <pfile@p...> wrote:
      >>>>
      >>>> i have the same setup here and i've not seen that problem. the
      >>>> machine
      >>>> is running 2.6.7-mh1, myth 0.16, nvidia driver 6629 with geforce
      >>>> 5700LE. i have my tv set for "dot-for-dot" mode and i do get a
      >>>> green
      >>>> band of junk on the right side of KGO broadcasts, but i dont think
      >>>> i've
      >>>> ever seen a band across the top of KQED broadcasts, and certainly
      >>>> never
      >>>> one that disrupts the picture.
      >>>>
      >>>> one thing you might try is playing back a recorded KQED stream with
      >>>> mplayer to see if the same thing happens. also you might try
      >>>> futzing
      >>>> with the deinterlacing settings in myth...
      >>>>
      >>>> rob
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>> I recently set up a MythTV HD PVR, and I'm still getting it all
      >>>>> smoothed out. So, I'm not sure if this is something in the
      >>>>> broadcast,
      >>>>> or some issue on my end.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> I get a yellow/green band across the top 5% or so of the screen on
      >>>>> KQED's HD channel. On the bottom edge it bleeds down into the
      >>>>> image
      >>>>> in random blocky distruptions. So, it looks to be an issue in
      >>>>> some
      >>>>> phase of the MPEG processing.. either encoding at KQED or
      >>>>> decoding
      >>>>> on my end.
      >>>>>
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Is anyone else seeing this?
      >>>>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
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      >>> Message: 4
      >>> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:09:24 -0000
      >>> From: "Bob" <Lopakabob@...>
      >>> Subject: Re: Reception along San Pablo Bay
      >>>
      >>> You could try:
      >>>
      >>> Schad Electronics
      >>> http://www.schadelectronics.com/
      >>> 980 S. 1st. in San Jose
      >>> 800-262-1130
      >>>
      >>> Also, Radio Shack stocks rotors. Although I had some bad luck
      >>> with a
      >>> Radio Shack rotor a few years ago, it didn't last long. Others on
      >>> this forum might have some suggestions as to where you can get a
      >>> rotor.
      >>>
      >>> LopakaBob
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "Larry Johnson"
      >>> <LJJJohnson@h...> wrote:
      >>>> Hi Bob -
      >>>>
      >>>> Would you know where I could get a rotor? I plan to do the install
      >>> this weekend. Thanks for the idea.
      >>>>
      >>>> Larry in Pinole
      >>>>
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      >>>> Larry in Pinole,
      >>>>
      >>>> You write: << Unfortunately, I am having difficulty playing
      >>>> spiderman along my 20 foot high roofline at my arthritic age. in
      >>>> addition, each time I go aloft, I must first visit Home Depot to
      >>>> rent their terribly expensive extension ladder... Because the
      >>>> ladder needs returning to Home Depot, my adjustments will be
      >>>> swift... Plan B would be to turn the antenna around and point it
      >>>> toward Sacramento...>>
      >>>>
      >>>> When you put up the new antenna you might want to consider
      >>>> installing a rotor at the same time.
      >>>>
      >>>> LopakaBob
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>> --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, "Larry Johnson"
      >>>> <LJJJohnson@h...> wrote:
      >>>>> Hello Larry -
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Yes, I get these stations as well. These channels come in the hi
      >>>> 60% range just as the others.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> 9.1, 9.2, 9.3, 9.4, 9.5 start flaking to 20% every 20 seconds or
      >>>> so at nite. 38.1 is a shoppers channel which never seems to flake
      >>>> out (I don't watch this much) 44.1 comes in strong (steadily around
      >>>> 67%) 66.1 also comes in strong (but is in a foreign language so I
      >>>> have not monitored it much)
      >>>>>
      >>>>> 26 comes in but I cannot recall if 26.1 comes in (again I think
      >>> it
      >>>> is a
      >>>>> foreign language)
      >>>>> 65 came in at one time I believe but can't recall.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> I have had my TV rescan the channels several times. Depending on
      >>>> the time
      >>>>> of day (or nite), I will get a different batch of selections. I
      >>>> suspect
      >>>>> this depends on whether or not the channel has a strong signal at
      >>>> the moment
      >>>>> of the scan.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> I can appreciate your advice on locating the antenna a few feet
      >>>> away to
      >>>>> receive the optimum signal. I was not aware there was such a
      >>>> dramatic
      >>>>> difference. This might explain why I felt we received better
      >>>> reception with
      >>>>> the antenna sitting in our upstairs bathroom window than what we
      >>>> currently
      >>>>> receive with the antenna perched on the east apex of my roofline.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Unfortunately, I am having difficulty playing spiderman along my
      >>>> 20 foot
      >>>>> high roofline at my arthritic age. in addition, each time I go
      >>>> aloft, I
      >>>>> must first visit Home Depot to rent their terribly expensive
      >>>> extension
      >>>>> ladder.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> I have built a wooden structured mount on the east gable of my
      >>>> roofline.
      >>>>> It was built to accomodate the Terk HDTVs. I expect I will need
      >>>> to expand
      >>>>> this wooden mount to accomodate the heavier CM 4228 (13lbs?) &
      >>> the
      >>>> 10 foot
      >>>>> pole I plan to mount it on. I expect once the 10 foot pole is
      >>>> strapped to
      >>>>> my east gable, I will have a remaining eight foot vertical plane
      >>>> to slide
      >>>>> the CM 4228 up & down to search for my best location. Hopefully
      >>>> the
      >>>>> stronger antenna wil do the trick.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Plan B would be to turn the antenna around and point it toward
      >>>> Sacramento or
      >>>>> the towers in you web page. I will study your page for options.
      >>>> I am new
      >>>>> to this area so I need to brush up on where these towers are.
      >>>> Because the
      >>>>> ladder needs returning to Home Depot, my adjustments will be
      >>> swift.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Outside of this I will need a younger body to explore the
      >>>> possibilities.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> I also appreciate the explanation on the sudden and dibilitating
      >>>> signal
      >>>>> strength. They seem to be more prevalent after dark. I'll
      >>>> continue to
      >>>>> watch for possibilities of their cause and let you know my
      >>>> thoughts.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> If it were not for the flaky evening PBS channels my quest might
      >>>> be over.
      >>>>> Since I work in the day we need improved reception at night.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Thank you so much for your input. Once my quest is over I would
      >>>> like to
      >>>>> document and submit the final outcome. I will post it in this
      >>>> forum.
      >>>>> Thanks again and we'll talk with you later.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Larry in Pinole.
      >>>>>
      >>>>>
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      >>>>> ljjjohnson wrote:
      >>>>>
      >>>>>> I have mounted a Terk HDTVs (a.k.a. as the Winegard
      >>>> SquareShooter
      >>>>>> HDTV2) on the east apex of my 2-story house along San Pablo
      >>> Bay.
      >>>>>> This antenna is pointed toward Sutro tower at 188 degrees.
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> I get channel 2 and channel 7 at 65%. These channels will
      >>> drop
      >>>>>> intermittently to 20% causing temporary loss of reception.
      >>>> Channels
      >>>>>> 4 & 5 are not receivable. These 2 unreceivable channels
      >>>> receive a
      >>>>>> steady 10% signal. Channels 20, 22, 13, 32, 3, 43, & 68 also
      >>>> come in
      >>>>>> at around 66% and rarely flake out to 22%.
      >>>>> <snip>
      >>>>>> I have ordered a CM 4228 as a replacement which should arrive
      >>>> this
      >>>>>> Friday for a weekend install.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> The CM 4228 will definitely increase your signal strength. It's
      >>> a
      >>>> MUCH
      >>>>> better antenna. Whether or not that will help you receive
      >>>> channels 4
      >>>>> and 5, I don't know, but it might. You didn't mention 9, 38, 44
      >>>> or 66
      >>>>> which also come from Sutro, nor 26 and 65 which come from Mt. San
      >>>> Bruno.
      >>>>> Do you can any of those stations? You might want to try
      >>>> different
      >>>>> locations for your antenna, if you can. Moving it just a few
      >>> feet
      >>>> one
      >>>>> way or the other can make the difference between no reception of
      >>> a
      >>>>> station and perfect reception. Find the spot where you get the
      >>>> most
      >>>>> stations and use that if you can.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Check my website for a complete list of Bay Area stations:
      >>>>> http://www.choisser.com/sfonair.html
      >>>>> It shows the channels and transmitter locations, along with a lot
      >>>> of
      >>>>> other information about each station, so it should help you pull
      >>>> in some
      >>>>> of the other stations.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> I'm in San Francisco, so can't help with the question about
      >>>> reception
      >>>>> along San Pablo Bay.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> You're doing very well to receive channels 3 and 13 since they're
      >>>> coming
      >>>>> from the Walnut Grove antenna site over in the Delta in the
      >>>> opposite
      >>>>> direction from Sutro. With those you at least get NBC and CBS,
      >>>> and you
      >>>>> don't get those two networks from SF-San Jose!
      >>>>>
      >>>>> What's causing the intermittent drop in signal on channels 2 and
      >>> 7
      >>>> is a
      >>>>> big unknown. It could be due to aircraft flying by, traffic on a
      >>>> street
      >>>>> near you, or some other thing that comes and goes. I have a
      >>>> problem
      >>>>> where the local Muni bus or other large vehicle going by the
      >>> house
      >>>> will
      >>>>> cause the signal to drop out briefly on a couple of channels.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Good luck with your CM4228 installation. Let us know how it
      >>> fairs!
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Larry
      >>>>> SF
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
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      >>> Message: 5
      >>> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 11:31:57 -0700
      >>> From: Larry Kenney <Larry@...>
      >>> Subject: Re: Reception along San Pablo Bay
      >>>
      >>> Bob wrote:
      >>>
      >>>> Others on this forum might have some suggestions as to
      >>>> where you can get a rotor.
      >>>
      >>> I've bought two Channel Master rotors from Frys in Redwood City.
      >>> It's
      >>> best to call ahead and make sure they have them in stock before you
      >>> head
      >>> down there though. The seem to sell them faster than they can keep
      >>> them
      >>> in the store.
      >>>
      >>> Larry
      >>> SF
      >>>
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      >>> Message: 6
      >>> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 22:31:16 -0000
      >>> From: "Gary Penovich" <garypen@...>
      >>> Subject: Grand Prix in HD?
      >>>
      >>> TitanTV indicates that KNTV's coverage is NOT in HD. There is no HD
      >>> logo, anyway.
      >>>
      >>> Does anybody know for sure, one way or another, about the HD
      >>> status of
      >>> KNTV's coverage?
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      >>> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 17:21:57 -0700 (PDT)
      >>> From: Robert C Nichols <bobnsj@...>
      >>> Subject: Re: Grand Prix in HD?
      >>>
      >>> Since it is a tape delay replay of Speed Channel's coverage it
      >>> wouldn't be in HD. I was there today with 40,000 others to watch
      >>> practice and qualifying--it's one heck of a course.
      >>>
      >>> Bob Nichols
      >>>
      >>> Gary Penovich <garypen@...> wrote:
      >>> TitanTV indicates that KNTV's coverage is NOT in HD. There is no HD
      >>> logo, anyway.
      >>>
      >>> Does anybody know for sure, one way or another, about the HD
      >>> status of
      >>> KNTV's coverage?
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      >>>
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      > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:04:53 -0000
      > From: "Gary Penovich" <garypen@...>
      > Subject: Re: Grand Prix in HD?
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      > Thanks. There's no way I was going anywhere near downtown today. I
      > don't like traffic jams or crowds. But, I got to hear them all the
      > way in North SJ! I thought NASCAR was loud!
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      > --- In HDTV-in-SFbay@yahoogroups.com, Robert C Nichols <bobnsj@p...>
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      >> Since it is a tape delay replay of Speed Channel's coverage it
      > wouldn't be in HD. I was there today with 40,000 others to watch
      > practice and qualifying--it's one heck of a course.
      >>
      >> Bob Nichols
      >>
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