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  • sardoolsingh@email.com
    I am sorry . I could not listen to the music. I would like to join you in propogating the use of stringed instruments instead of vaja for performing Gurbani -
    Message 1 of 13 , Dec 10, 2010
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      I am sorry . I could not listen to the music. I would like to join you in propogating the use of stringed instruments instead of vaja for performing Gurbani - kirtans. Vaja to me is, insulting Gurbani. We have several stringed instruments that can be used. All this has to start from our Golden Harmandir Sahib.



      -----Original Message-----
      From: satsatsat@...
      To: gurmukhs@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Fri, Dec 10, 2010 3:00 am
      Subject: [Gurmukhs] Very moving music - Esraj



      SatNaam SatGuru ji

      Dandauth Bandhna ji

      ever wondered why the Sikh Guru's used string instruments, listen to this

      and you'll struggle to listen to vaja ever again. [BTW vaja was introduced

      in Golden temple around 1920s and string instruments are rarely seen].

      http://youtu.be/yecQsOHYaeA

      You can download more for free:

      http://harsangeet.com/2008/05/esraj-album-1-2008/

      Dust of your feet.

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    • Manbir Singh
      *How is Vaja insulting to Gurbani ???* ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      Message 2 of 13 , Dec 11, 2010
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        *How is Vaja insulting to Gurbani ???*

        On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 7:27 AM, <sardoolsingh@...> wrote:

        >
        >
        > I am sorry . I could not listen to the music. I would like to join you in
        > propogating the use of stringed instruments instead of vaja for performing
        > Gurbani - kirtans. Vaja to me is, insulting Gurbani. We have several
        > stringed instruments that can be used. All this has to start from our Golden
        > Harmandir Sahib.
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: satsatsat@... <satsatsat%40gmail.com>
        > To: gurmukhs@yahoogroups.com <gurmukhs%40yahoogroups.com>
        > Sent: Fri, Dec 10, 2010 3:00 am
        > Subject: [Gurmukhs] Very moving music - Esraj
        >
        > SatNaam SatGuru ji
        >
        > Dandauth Bandhna ji
        >
        > ever wondered why the Sikh Guru's used string instruments, listen to this
        >
        > and you'll struggle to listen to vaja ever again. [BTW vaja was introduced
        >
        > in Golden temple around 1920s and string instruments are rarely seen].
        >
        > http://youtu.be/yecQsOHYaeA
        >
        > You can download more for free:
        >
        > http://harsangeet.com/2008/05/esraj-album-1-2008/
        >
        > Dust of your feet.
        >
        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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      • Preeto
        SAtNaam Ji. All sounds have come from God, all instruments have ultimately come from God, all music has come from God. Baba ji said that all sounds have the
        Message 3 of 13 , Dec 11, 2010
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          SAtNaam Ji.

          All sounds have come from God, all instruments have ultimately come from
          God, all music has come from God. Baba ji said that all sounds have the
          anhad naad within them, ie the cosmic sound i.e God, the source within
          them. So we can never say anything God has made is bad, from noise to
          beautiful strings, ultimately God made them all. When our mind is in maya,
          we see one as good and the other as bad. We see saint and sinner, we see
          black and white. When our mind is with God, Baba ji said "we have tied
          bothe ends", meaning we see God in black and white, dust and gold, noise and
          sweet sounds. Once your our out of the maya the mind is trapped in and go
          into spiritual realms, then Baba ji says that the language of God, of Sach
          Khand is Gurbani and you hear strings and bells and other unstruck
          melodies. That is the source of the Gurbani and Kirtan and Raags that our
          SatGuru ji's brought down for humanity and left in a physical form of string
          instruments, raag kirtan and Gurbani.

          More important than vaja or strings though is the hirdha of the singer, are
          they singing for God;s praises or to entertain people to make a living?
          snig from the heart and you can have the croakiest voice, the most out of
          tune instrument vaja or string , or even tapping two spoons together, doesnt
          matter if it from your heart then god in your heart will hear your heartfelt
          cry.


          The only insult to Gurbani is to read it or sing it for money, for worldy
          desires to be fulfilled. These are the love songs to God forged in the
          hirdha of the Guru jis and Bhagats. Sacrifcing your mind , body and wealth
          to bring those words into your life, so you to sings from your heart is the
          best thing any of us can do to honour the Gurbani. Making a business of
          singing and readings and re-readings - is actually the most disgusting
          thing. Someone singing even on vaja puring their heart out in the most out
          of tune voice is still beautiful if it pireces their heart and God hears
          their love.


          Dust of your feet.

          On 11 December 2010 17:15, Manbir Singh <manbirsingh@...> wrote:

          >
          >
          > *How is Vaja insulting to Gurbani ???*
          >
          >
          > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 7:27 AM, <sardoolsingh@...<sardoolsingh%40email.com>>
          > wrote:
          >
          > >
          > >
          > > I am sorry . I could not listen to the music. I would like to join you in
          > > propogating the use of stringed instruments instead of vaja for
          > performing
          > > Gurbani - kirtans. Vaja to me is, insulting Gurbani. We have several
          > > stringed instruments that can be used. All this has to start from our
          > Golden
          > > Harmandir Sahib.
          > >
          > > -----Original Message-----
          > > From: satsatsat@... <satsatsat%40gmail.com> <satsatsat%
          > 40gmail.com>
          > > To: gurmukhs@yahoogroups.com <gurmukhs%40yahoogroups.com> <gurmukhs%
          > 40yahoogroups.com>
          > > Sent: Fri, Dec 10, 2010 3:00 am
          > > Subject: [Gurmukhs] Very moving music - Esraj
          > >
          > > SatNaam SatGuru ji
          > >
          > > Dandauth Bandhna ji
          > >
          > > ever wondered why the Sikh Guru's used string instruments, listen to this
          > >
          > > and you'll struggle to listen to vaja ever again. [BTW vaja was
          > introduced
          > >
          > > in Golden temple around 1920s and string instruments are rarely seen].
          > >
          > > http://youtu.be/yecQsOHYaeA
          > >
          > > You can download more for free:
          > >
          > > http://harsangeet.com/2008/05/esraj-album-1-2008/
          > >
          > > Dust of your feet.
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        • fundyjatt@hotmail.com
          Gur Fateh, There is no insult to Gurbani if people are doing Kirtan for money. This has been a practice since Guru Nanak Dev Ji s time and has carried on till
          Message 4 of 13 , Dec 11, 2010
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            Gur Fateh,

            There is no insult to Gurbani if people are doing Kirtan for money. This has been a practice since Guru Nanak Dev Ji's time and has carried on till now. We should be praises individual who choose a life and career in spreading Guru Ji's word. Conversely, they have families to feed and other responsibilities like the rest of the working world, so in order to sustain and fulfill those responsibilities they need to be compensated for their time. I do agree that at times some can let greed get the best of them, however, that doesn't mean that the system of professional parcharik's is broke.

            It is actually quite sad that we do not take care of our parchariks more, because time and time again we see those with god given talent, be driven to other professions to be able to make a living.


            Sent from my BlackBerry� wireless device

            -----Original Message-----
            From: Preeto <satsatsat@...>
            Sender: Gurmukhs@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 17:33:38
            To: <Gurmukhs@yahoogroups.com>
            Reply-To: Gurmukhs@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [Gurmukhs] Very moving music - Esraj

            SAtNaam Ji.

            All sounds have come from God, all instruments have ultimately come from
            God, all music has come from God. Baba ji said that all sounds have the
            anhad naad within them, ie the cosmic sound i.e God, the source within
            them. So we can never say anything God has made is bad, from noise to
            beautiful strings, ultimately God made them all. When our mind is in maya,
            we see one as good and the other as bad. We see saint and sinner, we see
            black and white. When our mind is with God, Baba ji said "we have tied
            bothe ends", meaning we see God in black and white, dust and gold, noise and
            sweet sounds. Once your our out of the maya the mind is trapped in and go
            into spiritual realms, then Baba ji says that the language of God, of Sach
            Khand is Gurbani and you hear strings and bells and other unstruck
            melodies. That is the source of the Gurbani and Kirtan and Raags that our
            SatGuru ji's brought down for humanity and left in a physical form of string
            instruments, raag kirtan and Gurbani.

            More important than vaja or strings though is the hirdha of the singer, are
            they singing for God;s praises or to entertain people to make a living?
            snig from the heart and you can have the croakiest voice, the most out of
            tune instrument vaja or string , or even tapping two spoons together, doesnt
            matter if it from your heart then god in your heart will hear your heartfelt
            cry.


            The only insult to Gurbani is to read it or sing it for money, for worldy
            desires to be fulfilled. These are the love songs to God forged in the
            hirdha of the Guru jis and Bhagats. Sacrifcing your mind , body and wealth
            to bring those words into your life, so you to sings from your heart is the
            best thing any of us can do to honour the Gurbani. Making a business of
            singing and readings and re-readings - is actually the most disgusting
            thing. Someone singing even on vaja puring their heart out in the most out
            of tune voice is still beautiful if it pireces their heart and God hears
            their love.


            Dust of your feet.

            On 11 December 2010 17:15, Manbir Singh <manbirsingh@...> wrote:

            >
            >
            > *How is Vaja insulting to Gurbani ???*
            >
            >
            > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 7:27 AM, <sardoolsingh@...<sardoolsingh%40email.com>>
            > wrote:
            >
            > >
            > >
            > > I am sorry . I could not listen to the music. I would like to join you in
            > > propogating the use of stringed instruments instead of vaja for
            > performing
            > > Gurbani - kirtans. Vaja to me is, insulting Gurbani. We have several
            > > stringed instruments that can be used. All this has to start from our
            > Golden
            > > Harmandir Sahib.
            > >
            > > -----Original Message-----
            > > From: satsatsat@... <satsatsat%40gmail.com> <satsatsat%
            > 40gmail.com>
            > > To: gurmukhs@yahoogroups.com <gurmukhs%40yahoogroups.com> <gurmukhs%
            > 40yahoogroups.com>
            > > Sent: Fri, Dec 10, 2010 3:00 am
            > > Subject: [Gurmukhs] Very moving music - Esraj
            > >
            > > SatNaam SatGuru ji
            > >
            > > Dandauth Bandhna ji
            > >
            > > ever wondered why the Sikh Guru's used string instruments, listen to this
            > >
            > > and you'll struggle to listen to vaja ever again. [BTW vaja was
            > introduced
            > >
            > > in Golden temple around 1920s and string instruments are rarely seen].
            > >
            > > http://youtu.be/yecQsOHYaeA
            > >
            > > You can download more for free:
            > >
            > > http://harsangeet.com/2008/05/esraj-album-1-2008/
            > >
            > > Dust of your feet.
            > >
            > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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          • Manbir Singh
            You said it perfectly. It is the heart that has to sing Gurbani. Instruments, Vaja or for that matter any String Instruments do not do Gurbani Kirtan.They are
            Message 5 of 13 , Dec 11, 2010
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              You said it perfectly. It is the heart that has to sing Gurbani.
              Instruments, Vaja or for that matter any String Instruments do not do
              Gurbani Kirtan.They are just accompaniments. Just singing is not Kirtan.
              Kirtan is Singing His Praise. And His Praise can never be from Lips. Its has
              to be from Heart. Only then its Kirtan. As Humans we have Heart. Our
              musical Instruments have no Heart. They are just there to create an
              environment.They are to just help us out to loose ourselves in the melody of
              Naad. Its pity that we Sikhs at times start giving our instruments more
              importance than the Gurbani Singing itself. Kirtan can be done even without
              any instruments. Why not?
              On the question of Vaja. Do we know its because of this Vaja that thousands,
              nay lacs of Sikhs with no training could bring out there Love of Akalpurakh
              and loose themselves in Singing His Praise !!

              Bhul Chuk Maaf

              Dr, Manbir Singh


              On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Preeto <satsatsat@...> wrote:

              >
              >
              > SAtNaam Ji.
              >
              > All sounds have come from God, all instruments have ultimately come from
              > God, all music has come from God. Baba ji said that all sounds have the
              > anhad naad within them, ie the cosmic sound i.e God, the source within
              > them. So we can never say anything God has made is bad, from noise to
              > beautiful strings, ultimately God made them all. When our mind is in maya,
              > we see one as good and the other as bad. We see saint and sinner, we see
              > black and white. When our mind is with God, Baba ji said "we have tied
              > bothe ends", meaning we see God in black and white, dust and gold, noise
              > and
              > sweet sounds. Once your our out of the maya the mind is trapped in and go
              > into spiritual realms, then Baba ji says that the language of God, of Sach
              > Khand is Gurbani and you hear strings and bells and other unstruck
              > melodies. That is the source of the Gurbani and Kirtan and Raags that our
              > SatGuru ji's brought down for humanity and left in a physical form of
              > string
              > instruments, raag kirtan and Gurbani.
              >
              > More important than vaja or strings though is the hirdha of the singer, are
              > they singing for God;s praises or to entertain people to make a living?
              > snig from the heart and you can have the croakiest voice, the most out of
              > tune instrument vaja or string , or even tapping two spoons together,
              > doesnt
              > matter if it from your heart then god in your heart will hear your
              > heartfelt
              > cry.
              >
              > The only insult to Gurbani is to read it or sing it for money, for worldy
              > desires to be fulfilled. These are the love songs to God forged in the
              > hirdha of the Guru jis and Bhagats. Sacrifcing your mind , body and wealth
              > to bring those words into your life, so you to sings from your heart is the
              > best thing any of us can do to honour the Gurbani. Making a business of
              > singing and readings and re-readings - is actually the most disgusting
              > thing. Someone singing even on vaja puring their heart out in the most out
              > of tune voice is still beautiful if it pireces their heart and God hears
              > their love.
              >
              > Dust of your feet.
              >
              > On 11 December 2010 17:15, Manbir Singh <manbirsingh@...<manbirsingh%40khalsa.com>>
              > wrote:
              >
              > >
              > >
              > > *How is Vaja insulting to Gurbani ???*
              > >
              > >
              > > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 7:27 AM, <sardoolsingh@...<sardoolsingh%40email.com>
              > <sardoolsingh%40email.com>>
              >
              > > wrote:
              > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > I am sorry . I could not listen to the music. I would like to join you
              > in
              > > > propogating the use of stringed instruments instead of vaja for
              > > performing
              > > > Gurbani - kirtans. Vaja to me is, insulting Gurbani. We have several
              > > > stringed instruments that can be used. All this has to start from our
              > > Golden
              > > > Harmandir Sahib.
              > > >
              > > > -----Original Message-----
              > > > From: satsatsat@... <satsatsat%40gmail.com> <satsatsat%
              > 40gmail.com> <satsatsat%
              > > 40gmail.com>
              > > > To: gurmukhs@yahoogroups.com <gurmukhs%40yahoogroups.com> <gurmukhs%
              > 40yahoogroups.com> <gurmukhs%
              > > 40yahoogroups.com>
              > > > Sent: Fri, Dec 10, 2010 3:00 am
              > > > Subject: [Gurmukhs] Very moving music - Esraj
              > > >
              > > > SatNaam SatGuru ji
              > > >
              > > > Dandauth Bandhna ji
              > > >
              > > > ever wondered why the Sikh Guru's used string instruments, listen to
              > this
              > > >
              > > > and you'll struggle to listen to vaja ever again. [BTW vaja was
              > > introduced
              > > >
              > > > in Golden temple around 1920s and string instruments are rarely seen].
              > > >
              > > > http://youtu.be/yecQsOHYaeA
              > > >
              > > > You can download more for free:
              > > >
              > > > http://harsangeet.com/2008/05/esraj-album-1-2008/
              > > >
              > > > Dust of your feet.
              > > >
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            • Satinder Dhunjar
              I don t understand why the vaja is such an issue. As long as the kirtan is heard- no? Sent from my Nokia phone ... From: sardoolsingh@email.com Sent:
              Message 6 of 13 , Dec 11, 2010
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                I don't understand why the vaja is such an issue. As long as the kirtan is heard- no? Sent from my Nokia phone


                -----Original Message-----
                From: sardoolsingh@...
                Sent: 12/11/2010 1:57:19 AM
                To: Gurmukhs@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [Gurmukhs] Very moving music - Esraj


                I am sorry . I could not listen to the music. I would like to join you in propogating the use of stringed instruments instead of vaja for performing Gurbani - kirtans. Vaja to me is, insulting Gurbani. We have several stringed instruments that can be used. All this has to start from our Golden Harmandir Sahib.

                -----Original Message-----
                From: satsatsat@...<mailto:satsatsat%40gmail.com>
                To: gurmukhs@yahoogroups.com<mailto:gurmukhs%40yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Fri, Dec 10, 2010 3:00 am
                Subject: [Gurmukhs] Very moving music - Esraj

                SatNaam SatGuru ji

                Dandauth Bandhna ji

                ever wondered why the Sikh Guru's used string instruments, listen to this

                and you'll struggle to listen to vaja ever again. [BTW vaja was introduced

                in Golden temple around 1920s and string instruments are rarely seen].

                http://youtu.be/yecQsOHYaeA

                You can download more for free:

                http://harsangeet.com/2008/05/esraj-album-1-2008/

                Dust of your feet.

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              • Manbir Singh
                You are right ji. If we can perform other professions for money, why can t a person who has taken up Kirtan as a profession be entitled to monetary benefits.
                Message 7 of 13 , Dec 12, 2010
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                  You are right ji. If we can perform other professions for money, why can't a
                  person who has taken up Kirtan as a profession be entitled to
                  monetary benefits. If I as a doctor can take money for giving services why
                  can't a Gurbani Singer take money for his services. Those
                  who criticize Pracharaks for doing their work for money are showing double
                  face. On the one hand we want good Kirtanias and Good Pracharaks and want
                  them Free !!
                  Why should those taking up religious work as profession not earn a good
                  living. Why can't they have good assets ?
                  Talking of Greed, thats a subjective matter. Dont we effort greed in other
                  professions. Then why can't we manage greedy pracharaks? We have to live
                  with this too. Just because some of the pracharaks are greedy we stop having
                  pracharaks.


                  On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:18 PM, <fundyjatt@...> wrote:

                  > Gur Fateh,
                  >
                  > There is no insult to Gurbani if people are doing Kirtan for money. This
                  > has been a practice since Guru Nanak Dev Ji's time and has carried on till
                  > now. We should be praises individual who choose a life and career in
                  > spreading Guru Ji's word. Conversely, they have families to feed and other
                  > responsibilities like the rest of the working world, so in order to sustain
                  > and fulfill those responsibilities they need to be compensated for their
                  > time. I do agree that at times some can let greed get the best of them,
                  > however, that doesn't mean that the system of professional parcharik's is
                  > broke.
                  >
                  > It is actually quite sad that we do not take care of our parchariks more,
                  > because time and time again we see those with god given talent, be driven to
                  > other professions to be able to make a living.
                  >
                  >
                  > Sent from my BlackBerry� wireless device
                  >
                  > -----Original Message-----
                  > From: Preeto <satsatsat@...>
                  > Sender: Gurmukhs@yahoogroups.com
                  > Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 17:33:38
                  > To: <Gurmukhs@yahoogroups.com>
                  > Reply-To: Gurmukhs@yahoogroups.com
                  > Subject: Re: [Gurmukhs] Very moving music - Esraj
                  >
                  > SAtNaam Ji.
                  >
                  > All sounds have come from God, all instruments have ultimately come from
                  > God, all music has come from God. Baba ji said that all sounds have the
                  > anhad naad within them, ie the cosmic sound i.e God, the source within
                  > them. So we can never say anything God has made is bad, from noise to
                  > beautiful strings, ultimately God made them all. When our mind is in
                  > maya,
                  > we see one as good and the other as bad. We see saint and sinner, we see
                  > black and white. When our mind is with God, Baba ji said "we have tied
                  > bothe ends", meaning we see God in black and white, dust and gold, noise
                  > and
                  > sweet sounds. Once your our out of the maya the mind is trapped in and
                  > go
                  > into spiritual realms, then Baba ji says that the language of God, of Sach
                  > Khand is Gurbani and you hear strings and bells and other unstruck
                  > melodies. That is the source of the Gurbani and Kirtan and Raags that our
                  > SatGuru ji's brought down for humanity and left in a physical form of
                  > string
                  > instruments, raag kirtan and Gurbani.
                  >
                  > More important than vaja or strings though is the hirdha of the singer, are
                  > they singing for God;s praises or to entertain people to make a living?
                  > snig from the heart and you can have the croakiest voice, the most out of
                  > tune instrument vaja or string , or even tapping two spoons together,
                  > doesnt
                  > matter if it from your heart then god in your heart will hear your
                  > heartfelt
                  > cry.
                  >
                  >
                  > The only insult to Gurbani is to read it or sing it for money, for worldy
                  > desires to be fulfilled. These are the love songs to God forged in the
                  > hirdha of the Guru jis and Bhagats. Sacrifcing your mind , body and wealth
                  > to bring those words into your life, so you to sings from your heart is the
                  > best thing any of us can do to honour the Gurbani. Making a business of
                  > singing and readings and re-readings - is actually the most disgusting
                  > thing. Someone singing even on vaja puring their heart out in the most out
                  > of tune voice is still beautiful if it pireces their heart and God hears
                  > their love.
                  >
                  >
                  > Dust of your feet.
                  >
                  > On 11 December 2010 17:15, Manbir Singh <manbirsingh@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > *How is Vaja insulting to Gurbani ???*
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 7:27 AM, <sardoolsingh@...<sardoolsingh%
                  > 40email.com>>
                  > > wrote:
                  > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > I am sorry . I could not listen to the music. I would like to join you
                  > in
                  > > > propogating the use of stringed instruments instead of vaja for
                  > > performing
                  > > > Gurbani - kirtans. Vaja to me is, insulting Gurbani. We have several
                  > > > stringed instruments that can be used. All this has to start from our
                  > > Golden
                  > > > Harmandir Sahib.
                  > > >
                  > > > -----Original Message-----
                  > > > From: satsatsat@... <satsatsat%40gmail.com> <satsatsat%
                  > > 40gmail.com>
                  > > > To: gurmukhs@yahoogroups.com <gurmukhs%40yahoogroups.com> <gurmukhs%
                  > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                  > > > Sent: Fri, Dec 10, 2010 3:00 am
                  > > > Subject: [Gurmukhs] Very moving music - Esraj
                  > > >
                  > > > SatNaam SatGuru ji
                  > > >
                  > > > Dandauth Bandhna ji
                  > > >
                  > > > ever wondered why the Sikh Guru's used string instruments, listen to
                  > this
                  > > >
                  > > > and you'll struggle to listen to vaja ever again. [BTW vaja was
                  > > introduced
                  > > >
                  > > > in Golden temple around 1920s and string instruments are rarely seen].
                  > > >
                  > > > http://youtu.be/yecQsOHYaeA
                  > > >
                  > > > You can download more for free:
                  > > >
                  > > > http://harsangeet.com/2008/05/esraj-album-1-2008/
                  > > >
                  > > > Dust of your feet.
                  > > >
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                • Preeto
                  SatNaam Dandauth Bandhna Some article by Dassan Dass ji to cover the topics raised. 12. Real Eternal Meaning Of Kirtan
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                    SatNaam
                    Dandauth Bandhna

                    Some article by Dassan Dass ji to cover the topics raised.

                    12. Real Eternal Meaning Of Kirtan
                    http://satnaam.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=205&Itemid=26
                    3. Buying and Selling Gurbani
                    http://satnaam.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=194&Itemid=26


                    Dust of your feet.


                    On 11 December 2010 17:48, <fundyjatt@...> wrote:

                    > Gur Fateh,
                    >
                    > There is no insult to Gurbani if people are doing Kirtan for money. This
                    > has been a practice since Guru Nanak Dev Ji's time and has carried on till
                    > now. We should be praises individual who choose a life and career in
                    > spreading Guru Ji's word. Conversely, they have families to feed and other
                    > responsibilities like the rest of the working world, so in order to sustain
                    > and fulfill those responsibilities they need to be compensated for their
                    > time. I do agree that at times some can let greed get the best of them,
                    > however, that doesn't mean that the system of professional parcharik's is
                    > broke.
                    >
                    > It is actually quite sad that we do not take care of our parchariks more,
                    > because time and time again we see those with god given talent, be driven to
                    > other professions to be able to make a living.
                    >
                    >
                    > Sent from my BlackBerry� wireless device
                    >
                    > -----Original Message-----
                    > From: Preeto <satsatsat@...>
                    > Sender: Gurmukhs@yahoogroups.com
                    > Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 17:33:38
                    > To: <Gurmukhs@yahoogroups.com>
                    > Reply-To: Gurmukhs@yahoogroups.com
                    > Subject: Re: [Gurmukhs] Very moving music - Esraj
                    >
                    > SAtNaam Ji.
                    >
                    > All sounds have come from God, all instruments have ultimately come from
                    > God, all music has come from God. Baba ji said that all sounds have the
                    > anhad naad within them, ie the cosmic sound i.e God, the source within
                    > them. So we can never say anything God has made is bad, from noise to
                    > beautiful strings, ultimately God made them all. When our mind is in
                    > maya,
                    > we see one as good and the other as bad. We see saint and sinner, we see
                    > black and white. When our mind is with God, Baba ji said "we have tied
                    > bothe ends", meaning we see God in black and white, dust and gold, noise
                    > and
                    > sweet sounds. Once your our out of the maya the mind is trapped in and
                    > go
                    > into spiritual realms, then Baba ji says that the language of God, of Sach
                    > Khand is Gurbani and you hear strings and bells and other unstruck
                    > melodies. That is the source of the Gurbani and Kirtan and Raags that our
                    > SatGuru ji's brought down for humanity and left in a physical form of
                    > string
                    > instruments, raag kirtan and Gurbani.
                    >
                    > More important than vaja or strings though is the hirdha of the singer, are
                    > they singing for God;s praises or to entertain people to make a living?
                    > snig from the heart and you can have the croakiest voice, the most out of
                    > tune instrument vaja or string , or even tapping two spoons together,
                    > doesnt
                    > matter if it from your heart then god in your heart will hear your
                    > heartfelt
                    > cry.
                    >
                    >
                    > The only insult to Gurbani is to read it or sing it for money, for worldy
                    > desires to be fulfilled. These are the love songs to God forged in the
                    > hirdha of the Guru jis and Bhagats. Sacrifcing your mind , body and wealth
                    > to bring those words into your life, so you to sings from your heart is the
                    > best thing any of us can do to honour the Gurbani. Making a business of
                    > singing and readings and re-readings - is actually the most disgusting
                    > thing. Someone singing even on vaja puring their heart out in the most out
                    > of tune voice is still beautiful if it pireces their heart and God hears
                    > their love.
                    >
                    >
                    > Dust of your feet.
                    >
                    > On 11 December 2010 17:15, Manbir Singh <manbirsingh@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > *How is Vaja insulting to Gurbani ???*
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 7:27 AM, <sardoolsingh@...<sardoolsingh%
                    > 40email.com>>
                    > > wrote:
                    > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > I am sorry . I could not listen to the music. I would like to join you
                    > in
                    > > > propogating the use of stringed instruments instead of vaja for
                    > > performing
                    > > > Gurbani - kirtans. Vaja to me is, insulting Gurbani. We have several
                    > > > stringed instruments that can be used. All this has to start from our
                    > > Golden
                    > > > Harmandir Sahib.
                    > > >
                    > > > -----Original Message-----
                    > > > From: satsatsat@... <satsatsat%40gmail.com> <satsatsat%
                    > > 40gmail.com>
                    > > > To: gurmukhs@yahoogroups.com <gurmukhs%40yahoogroups.com> <gurmukhs%
                    > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                    > > > Sent: Fri, Dec 10, 2010 3:00 am
                    > > > Subject: [Gurmukhs] Very moving music - Esraj
                    > > >
                    > > > SatNaam SatGuru ji
                    > > >
                    > > > Dandauth Bandhna ji
                    > > >
                    > > > ever wondered why the Sikh Guru's used string instruments, listen to
                    > this
                    > > >
                    > > > and you'll struggle to listen to vaja ever again. [BTW vaja was
                    > > introduced
                    > > >
                    > > > in Golden temple around 1920s and string instruments are rarely seen].
                    > > >
                    > > > http://youtu.be/yecQsOHYaeA
                    > > >
                    > > > You can download more for free:
                    > > >
                    > > > http://harsangeet.com/2008/05/esraj-album-1-2008/
                    > > >
                    > > > Dust of your feet.
                    > > >
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                  • Sardool Singh
                    Waheguruji ki fateh, I apologise for using the word insult , what I meant was, Vaja does not do justice to Gurbani kirtan. Our Gurus wrote Gurbani in very
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                      Waheguruji ki fateh, I apologise for using the word "insult ", what I meant was, Vaja does not do justice to Gurbani kirtan. Our Gurus wrote Gurbani in very specific raags. ( Why) Most of these raags belong to the Nothern Indian Hindustani classical music system. The first raag, for example, mentioned in Guru Granth Sahib ji, is Shree raag. What I am saying is that the komal ray used in Shree raag cannot be played on a Vaja, where as this komal ray can be played on any stringed instrument. The Vaja has only two variations of a note (swar) komal and teevar.In fact there are more than just two, depending on the "shruti of the note, which gives the true expression of a note. One cannot play Shree raag on Vaja correctly. Raag .Puriya Dhanashree and raag Bhairon also have komal ray but they are again different, There are more examples to qoute. Gurbani kirtan was performed on stringed instruments before Vaja came in. Our Gurus performed kirtan playing these instruments. We are told, Guru Arjan Dev ji designed Sarinda. Guru Nanak Dev ji had Mardana ji playing Rabab. We have yet to explore some of the raags mentioned in our Guru Granth Sahib ji. So far we have ignored our rich Sikh misical heritage. Guru Arjan Dev ji's Sarinda and Guru Gobind Singh ji's Rabab are in the museums rather than being played instead of Vajas. Bhul Chuck Maaf.





                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: Manbir Singh <manbirsingh@...>
                      To: Gurmukhs@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Sun, Dec 12, 2010 5:07 am
                      Subject: Re: [Gurmukhs] Very moving music - Esraj




                      You said it perfectly. It is the heart that has to sing Gurbani.
                      Instruments, Vaja or for that matter any String Instruments do not do
                      Gurbani Kirtan.They are just accompaniments. Just singing is not Kirtan.
                      Kirtan is Singing His Praise. And His Praise can never be from Lips. Its has
                      to be from Heart. Only then its Kirtan. As Humans we have Heart. Our
                      musical Instruments have no Heart. They are just there to create an
                      environment.They are to just help us out to loose ourselves in the melody of
                      Naad. Its pity that we Sikhs at times start giving our instruments more
                      importance than the Gurbani Singing itself. Kirtan can be done even without
                      any instruments. Why not?
                      On the question of Vaja. Do we know its because of this Vaja that thousands,
                      nay lacs of Sikhs with no training could bring out there Love of Akalpurakh
                      and loose themselves in Singing His Praise !!

                      Bhul Chuk Maaf

                      Dr, Manbir Singh

                      On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Preeto <satsatsat@...> wrote:

                      >
                      >
                      > SAtNaam Ji.
                      >
                      > All sounds have come from God, all instruments have ultimately come from
                      > God, all music has come from God. Baba ji said that all sounds have the
                      > anhad naad within them, ie the cosmic sound i.e God, the source within
                      > them. So we can never say anything God has made is bad, from noise to
                      > beautiful strings, ultimately God made them all. When our mind is in maya,
                      > we see one as good and the other as bad. We see saint and sinner, we see
                      > black and white. When our mind is with God, Baba ji said "we have tied
                      > bothe ends", meaning we see God in black and white, dust and gold, noise
                      > and
                      > sweet sounds. Once your our out of the maya the mind is trapped in and go
                      > into spiritual realms, then Baba ji says that the language of God, of Sach
                      > Khand is Gurbani and you hear strings and bells and other unstruck
                      > melodies. That is the source of the Gurbani and Kirtan and Raags that our
                      > SatGuru ji's brought down for humanity and left in a physical form of
                      > string
                      > instruments, raag kirtan and Gurbani.
                      >
                      > More important than vaja or strings though is the hirdha of the singer, are
                      > they singing for God;s praises or to entertain people to make a living?
                      > snig from the heart and you can have the croakiest voice, the most out of
                      > tune instrument vaja or string , or even tapping two spoons together,
                      > doesnt
                      > matter if it from your heart then god in your heart will hear your
                      > heartfelt
                      > cry.
                      >
                      > The only insult to Gurbani is to read it or sing it for money, for worldy
                      > desires to be fulfilled. These are the love songs to God forged in the
                      > hirdha of the Guru jis and Bhagats. Sacrifcing your mind , body and wealth
                      > to bring those words into your life, so you to sings from your heart is the
                      > best thing any of us can do to honour the Gurbani. Making a business of
                      > singing and readings and re-readings - is actually the most disgusting
                      > thing. Someone singing even on vaja puring their heart out in the most out
                      > of tune voice is still beautiful if it pireces their heart and God hears
                      > their love.
                      >
                      > Dust of your feet.
                      >
                      > On 11 December 2010 17:15, Manbir Singh <manbirsingh@...<manbirsingh%40khalsa.com>>
                      > wrote:
                      >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > *How is Vaja insulting to Gurbani ???*
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 7:27 AM, <sardoolsingh@...<sardoolsingh%40email.com>
                      > <sardoolsingh%40email.com>>
                      >
                      > > wrote:
                      > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > I am sorry . I could not listen to the music. I would like to join you
                      > in
                      > > > propogating the use of stringed instruments instead of vaja for
                      > > performing
                      > > > Gurbani - kirtans. Vaja to me is, insulting Gurbani. We have several
                      > > > stringed instruments that can be used. All this has to start from our
                      > > Golden
                      > > > Harmandir Sahib.
                      > > >
                      > > > -----Original Message-----
                      > > > From: satsatsat@... <satsatsat%40gmail.com> <satsatsat%
                      > 40gmail.com> <satsatsat%
                      > > 40gmail.com>
                      > > > To: gurmukhs@yahoogroups.com <gurmukhs%40yahoogroups.com> <gurmukhs%
                      > 40yahoogroups.com> <gurmukhs%
                      > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                      > > > Sent: Fri, Dec 10, 2010 3:00 am
                      > > > Subject: [Gurmukhs] Very moving music - Esraj
                      > > >
                      > > > SatNaam SatGuru ji
                      > > >
                      > > > Dandauth Bandhna ji
                      > > >
                      > > > ever wondered why the Sikh Guru's used string instruments, listen to
                      > this
                      > > >
                      > > > and you'll struggle to listen to vaja ever again. [BTW vaja was
                      > > introduced
                      > > >
                      > > > in Golden temple around 1920s and string instruments are rarely seen].
                      > > >
                      > > > http://youtu.be/yecQsOHYaeA
                      > > >
                      > > > You can download more for free:
                      > > >
                      > > > http://harsangeet.com/2008/05/esraj-album-1-2008/
                      > > >
                      > > > Dust of your feet.
                      > > >
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                    • Manbir Singh
                      We must realize one important aspect of Gurbani Kirtan i.e. when we are doing Kirtan it is we the singers who is doing the Kirtan and Not the instrument, be it
                      Message 10 of 13 , Dec 14, 2010
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                        We must realize one important aspect of Gurbani Kirtan i.e. when we are
                        doing Kirtan it is we the singers who is doing the Kirtan and Not the
                        instrument, be it Vaja or any String Instrument. And kindly do not spread
                        this misconception that a singer can not sing a Raag with Komal 'R' if
                        he/she is playing a Vaja. It seems you are badly mis informed about the
                        Indian Classical Music, Or you have never heard any person singing Sri Raag
                        and playing Vaja. Or may be you have not seen or played Vaja because even
                        a beginner in music knows that its possible to play Komal 'R' on vaja.
                        We all know that majority of Great Singers play Vaja and sing. Vaja
                        (Harmonium) is the most comfortable instrument to help a singer with 'Sur'
                        while singing. There is no other instrument that can match Harmonium (Vaja)
                        in helping a singer to sing his compositions. We must realize that a singer
                        while singing needs only the help of sur while singing he does not play all
                        his singing on his instrument. A singer needs only the help of an instrument
                        to keep his scale and 'sur', and for this Vaja is best suited.


                        Dr. Manbir Singh

                        On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Sardool Singh <sardoolsingh@...>wrote:

                        >
                        >
                        > Waheguruji ki fateh, I apologise for using the word "insult ", what I meant
                        > was, Vaja does not do justice to Gurbani kirtan. Our Gurus wrote Gurbani in
                        > very specific raags. ( Why) Most of these raags belong to the Nothern Indian
                        > Hindustani classical music system. The first raag, for example, mentioned in
                        > Guru Granth Sahib ji, is Shree raag. What I am saying is that the komal ray
                        > used in Shree raag cannot be played on a Vaja, where as this komal ray can
                        > be played on any stringed instrument. The Vaja has only two variations of a
                        > note (swar) komal and teevar.In fact there are more than just two, depending
                        > on the "shruti of the note, which gives the true expression of a note. One
                        > cannot play Shree raag on Vaja correctly. Raag .Puriya Dhanashree and raag
                        > Bhairon also have komal ray but they are again different, There are more
                        > examples to qoute. Gurbani kirtan was performed on stringed instruments
                        > before Vaja came in. Our Gurus performed kirtan playing these instruments.
                        > We are told, Guru Arjan Dev ji designed Sarinda. Guru Nanak Dev ji had
                        > Mardana ji playing Rabab. We have yet to explore some of the raags mentioned
                        > in our Guru Granth Sahib ji. So far we have ignored our rich Sikh misical
                        > heritage. Guru Arjan Dev ji's Sarinda and Guru Gobind Singh ji's Rabab are
                        > in the museums rather than being played instead of Vajas. Bhul Chuck Maaf.
                        >
                        > -----Original Message-----
                        > From: Manbir Singh <manbirsingh@... <manbirsingh%40khalsa.com>>
                        > To: Gurmukhs@yahoogroups.com <Gurmukhs%40yahoogroups.com>
                        > Sent: Sun, Dec 12, 2010 5:07 am
                        > Subject: Re: [Gurmukhs] Very moving music - Esraj
                        >
                        > You said it perfectly. It is the heart that has to sing Gurbani.
                        > Instruments, Vaja or for that matter any String Instruments do not do
                        > Gurbani Kirtan.They are just accompaniments. Just singing is not Kirtan.
                        > Kirtan is Singing His Praise. And His Praise can never be from Lips. Its
                        > has
                        > to be from Heart. Only then its Kirtan. As Humans we have Heart. Our
                        > musical Instruments have no Heart. They are just there to create an
                        > environment.They are to just help us out to loose ourselves in the melody
                        > of
                        > Naad. Its pity that we Sikhs at times start giving our instruments more
                        > importance than the Gurbani Singing itself. Kirtan can be done even without
                        > any instruments. Why not?
                        > On the question of Vaja. Do we know its because of this Vaja that
                        > thousands,
                        > nay lacs of Sikhs with no training could bring out there Love of Akalpurakh
                        > and loose themselves in Singing His Praise !!
                        >
                        > Bhul Chuk Maaf
                        >
                        > Dr, Manbir Singh
                        >
                        > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Preeto <satsatsat@...<satsatsat%40gmail.com>>
                        > wrote:
                        >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > SAtNaam Ji.
                        > >
                        > > All sounds have come from God, all instruments have ultimately come from
                        > > God, all music has come from God. Baba ji said that all sounds have the
                        > > anhad naad within them, ie the cosmic sound i.e God, the source within
                        > > them. So we can never say anything God has made is bad, from noise to
                        > > beautiful strings, ultimately God made them all. When our mind is in
                        > maya,
                        > > we see one as good and the other as bad. We see saint and sinner, we see
                        > > black and white. When our mind is with God, Baba ji said "we have tied
                        > > bothe ends", meaning we see God in black and white, dust and gold, noise
                        > > and
                        > > sweet sounds. Once your our out of the maya the mind is trapped in and go
                        > > into spiritual realms, then Baba ji says that the language of God, of
                        > Sach
                        > > Khand is Gurbani and you hear strings and bells and other unstruck
                        > > melodies. That is the source of the Gurbani and Kirtan and Raags that our
                        > > SatGuru ji's brought down for humanity and left in a physical form of
                        > > string
                        > > instruments, raag kirtan and Gurbani.
                        > >
                        > > More important than vaja or strings though is the hirdha of the singer,
                        > are
                        > > they singing for God;s praises or to entertain people to make a living?
                        > > snig from the heart and you can have the croakiest voice, the most out of
                        > > tune instrument vaja or string , or even tapping two spoons together,
                        > > doesnt
                        > > matter if it from your heart then god in your heart will hear your
                        > > heartfelt
                        > > cry.
                        > >
                        > > The only insult to Gurbani is to read it or sing it for money, for worldy
                        > > desires to be fulfilled. These are the love songs to God forged in the
                        > > hirdha of the Guru jis and Bhagats. Sacrifcing your mind , body and
                        > wealth
                        > > to bring those words into your life, so you to sings from your heart is
                        > the
                        > > best thing any of us can do to honour the Gurbani. Making a business of
                        > > singing and readings and re-readings - is actually the most disgusting
                        > > thing. Someone singing even on vaja puring their heart out in the most
                        > out
                        > > of tune voice is still beautiful if it pireces their heart and God hears
                        > > their love.
                        > >
                        > > Dust of your feet.
                        > >
                        > > On 11 December 2010 17:15, Manbir Singh <manbirsingh@...<manbirsingh%40khalsa.com>
                        > <manbirsingh%40khalsa.com>>
                        >
                        > > wrote:
                        > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > *How is Vaja insulting to Gurbani ???*
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 7:27 AM, <sardoolsingh@...<sardoolsingh%40email.com>
                        > <sardoolsingh%40email.com>
                        > > <sardoolsingh%40email.com>>
                        > >
                        > > > wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > I am sorry . I could not listen to the music. I would like to join
                        > you
                        > > in
                        > > > > propogating the use of stringed instruments instead of vaja for
                        > > > performing
                        > > > > Gurbani - kirtans. Vaja to me is, insulting Gurbani. We have several
                        > > > > stringed instruments that can be used. All this has to start from our
                        > > > Golden
                        > > > > Harmandir Sahib.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > -----Original Message-----
                        > > > > From: satsatsat@... <satsatsat%40gmail.com> <satsatsat%
                        > 40gmail.com> <satsatsat%
                        > > 40gmail.com> <satsatsat%
                        > > > 40gmail.com>
                        > > > > To: gurmukhs@yahoogroups.com <gurmukhs%40yahoogroups.com> <gurmukhs%
                        > 40yahoogroups.com> <gurmukhs%
                        > > 40yahoogroups.com> <gurmukhs%
                        > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
                        > > > > Sent: Fri, Dec 10, 2010 3:00 am
                        > > > > Subject: [Gurmukhs] Very moving music - Esraj
                        > > > >
                        > > > > SatNaam SatGuru ji
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Dandauth Bandhna ji
                        > > > >
                        > > > > ever wondered why the Sikh Guru's used string instruments, listen to
                        > > this
                        > > > >
                        > > > > and you'll struggle to listen to vaja ever again. [BTW vaja was
                        > > > introduced
                        > > > >
                        > > > > in Golden temple around 1920s and string instruments are rarely
                        > seen].
                        > > > >
                        > > > > http://youtu.be/yecQsOHYaeA
                        > > > >
                        > > > > You can download more for free:
                        > > > >
                        > > > > http://harsangeet.com/2008/05/esraj-album-1-2008/
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Dust of your feet.
                        > > > >
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                        > > > width:
                        > > > > 400px; } #AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815 .attach
                        > div
                        > > a
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                        > > > #AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815
                        > > > > .attach img { border: none; padding-right: 5px; }
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                        > > > #AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815
                        > > > > blockquote { margin: 0 0 0 4px; }
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                        > font-family:
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                        > > > > #AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815 .bold a {
                        > > > > text-decoration: none; }
                        > > > #AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815
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                        > > > > #AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815 dd.last p span {
                        > > > > margin-right: 10px; font-family: Verdana; font-weight: 700; }
                        > > > > #AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815 dd.last p
                        > > > span.yshortcuts
                        > > > > { margin-right: 0; }
                        > #AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815
                        > > > > div.attach-table div div a { text-decoration: none; }
                        > > > > #AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815 div.attach-table {
                        > > > width:
                        > > > > 400px; } #AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815
                        > > > div.file-title
                        > > > > a,#AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815 div.file-title
                        > > > > a:active,#AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815
                        > > > div.file-title
                        > > > > a:hover,#AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815
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                        > > > > a,#AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815 div.photo-title
                        > > > > a:active,#AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815
                        > > > div.photo-title
                        > > > > a:hover,#AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815
                        > > > div.photo-title
                        > > > > a:visited { text-decoration: none; }
                        > > > > #AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815 div#ygrp-mlmsg
                        > > > #ygrp-msg
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                        > > .MsoNormal
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                        > o
                        > > {
                        > > > > font-size: 0; } #AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815
                        > > > #photos
                        > > > > div { float: left; width: 72px; }
                        > > > > #AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815 #photos div div {
                        > > > border:
                        > > > > 1px solid #666666; height: 62px; overflow: hidden; width: 62px; }
                        > > > > #AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815 #photos div label
                        > {
                        > > > > color: #666666; font-size: 10px; overflow: hidden; text-align:
                        > center;
                        > > > > white-space: nowrap; width: 64px; }
                        > > > > #AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815 #reco-category {
                        > > > > font-size: 77%; } #AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815
                        > > > > #reco-desc { font-size: 77%; }
                        > > > > #AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815 .replbq { margin:
                        > > 4px;
                        > > > }
                        > > > > #AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815 #ygrp-actbar div
                        > > > > a:first-child { margin-right: 2px; padding-right: 5px; }
                        > > > > #AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815 #ygrp-mlmsg {
                        > > > font-size:
                        > > > > 13px; font-family: Arial, helvetica,clean, sans-serif; *font-size:
                        > > small;
                        > > > > *font: x-small; } #AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815
                        > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg table { font-size: inherit; font: 100%; }
                        > > > > #AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815 #ygrp-mlmsg
                        > > > > select,#AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815
                        > > > > input,#AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815 textarea {
                        > > font:
                        > > > > 99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif; }
                        > > > > #AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815 #ygrp-mlmsg
                        > > > > pre,#AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815 code {
                        > font:115%
                        > > > > monospace; *font-size:100%; }
                        > > > > #AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815 #ygrp-mlmsg * {
                        > > > > line-height: 1.22em; }
                        > > #AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815
                        > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo { padding-bottom: 10px; }
                        > > > > #AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815 #ygrp-mlmsg a {
                        > > color:
                        > > > > #1E66AE; } #AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815
                        > #ygrp-msg
                        > > p
                        > > > a
                        > > > > { font-family: Verdana; }
                        > > > #AOLMsgPart_2_c3074c6f-806d-40df-97dc-db4e29efe815
                        > > > > #ygrp-msg p#attach-count span { color: #1E66AE; font-weight: 700; }
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                        > > #reco-head
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                      • Preeto
                        SatNaam ji, we have recorded the youtube clip below into an MP3 file which you can listen to by downloading from here https://www.box.net/shared/22u6nbc02b
                        Message 11 of 13 , Dec 14, 2010
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                          SatNaam ji,

                          we have recorded the youtube clip below into an MP3 file which you can
                          listen to by downloading from here

                          https://www.box.net/shared/22u6nbc02b

                          (you can make donations on www.harsangeet.com if you would like to support
                          their amazing work).

                          We can talk about love and kirtan all day long, but falling in love with Him
                          is what this game of love is all about. Just listen to the recording, feel
                          the love and call His Naam in your heart. Great great is the one who can
                          take that love deep within themself and share it through an instrument and
                          Gurbani. Baba ji said that the greates instrument is the human voice
                          because HE created it, wereas all other instruments are man-made. They say
                          that string instruments are the closest to the human voice so we guess that
                          is why SatGuru ji's played them.

                          God Bless us all and forgive us all our mistakes and misdeeds committed
                          under the influence of the five thieves and desires.

                          Dust of your feet.

                          On 9 December 2010 16:00, Preeto <satsatsat@...> wrote:

                          > SatNaam SatGuru ji
                          > Dandauth Bandhna ji
                          >
                          >
                          > ever wondered why the Sikh Guru's used string instruments, listen to this
                          > and you'll struggle to listen to vaja ever again. [BTW vaja was introduced
                          > in Golden temple around 1920s and string instruments are rarely seen].
                          >
                          > http://youtu.be/yecQsOHYaeA
                          >
                          > You can download more for free:
                          >
                          > http://harsangeet.com/2008/05/esraj-album-1-2008/
                          >
                          > Dust of your feet.
                          >


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                        • Manbir Singh
                          * Very Well Said Falling in love with Him is what this game of love is all about.* *Greatest Instrument is the human voice because HE created it, wereas all
                          Message 12 of 13 , Dec 14, 2010
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                            *

                            Very Well Said

                            Falling in love with Him
                            is what this game of love is all about.*

                            *Greatest Instrument is the human voice because HE created it, wereas all
                            other instruments are man-made.*



                            On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Preeto <satsatsat@...> wrote:

                            >
                            >
                            > SatNaam ji,
                            >
                            > we have recorded the youtube clip below into an MP3 file which you can
                            > listen to by downloading from here
                            >
                            > https://www.box.net/shared/22u6nbc02b
                            >
                            > (you can make donations on www.harsangeet.com if you would like to support
                            > their amazing work).
                            >
                            > We can talk about love and kirtan all day long, but falling in love with
                            > Him
                            > is what this game of love is all about. Just listen to the recording, feel
                            > the love and call His Naam in your heart. Great great is the one who can
                            > take that love deep within themself and share it through an instrument and
                            > Gurbani. Baba ji said that the greates instrument is the human voice
                            > because HE created it, wereas all other instruments are man-made. They say
                            > that string instruments are the closest to the human voice so we guess that
                            > is why SatGuru ji's played them.
                            >
                            > God Bless us all and forgive us all our mistakes and misdeeds committed
                            > under the influence of the five thieves and desires.
                            >
                            > Dust of your feet.
                            >
                            >
                            > On 9 December 2010 16:00, Preeto <satsatsat@...<satsatsat%40gmail.com>>
                            > wrote:
                            >
                            > > SatNaam SatGuru ji
                            > > Dandauth Bandhna ji
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > ever wondered why the Sikh Guru's used string instruments, listen to this
                            > > and you'll struggle to listen to vaja ever again. [BTW vaja was
                            > introduced
                            > > in Golden temple around 1920s and string instruments are rarely seen].
                            > >
                            > > http://youtu.be/yecQsOHYaeA
                            > >
                            > > You can download more for free:
                            > >
                            > > http://harsangeet.com/2008/05/esraj-album-1-2008/
                            > >
                            > > Dust of your feet.
                            > >
                            >
                            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                            >
                            >
                            >


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