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RSP on progress towards merger with SA

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  • James
    http://directaction.org.au/statement_by_the_revolutionary_socialist_party_on_progress_towards_merger_with_socialist_alternative
    Message 1 of 83 , Oct 3, 2012
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    • chris_breen_70
      Hi all I have had a request for the C&S minutes where the Soc Alt disaffiliation was discussed, and a suggestion that I upload them on sribd, so I have done
      Message 83 of 83 , Oct 21, 2012
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        Hi all I have had a request for the C&S minutes where the Soc Alt disaffiliation was discussed, and a suggestion that I upload them on sribd, so I have done so.

        Regards

        Chris Breen

        http://www.scribd.com/doc/110667296/Minutes-2012-Special-Meeting-3-08-10-12
        http://www.scribd.com/doc/110667292/Minutes-2012-17-01-10-12
        http://www.scribd.com/doc/110667158/Minutes-2012-16-13-09-12
        http://www.scribd.com/doc/110667280/Minutes-2012-15-27-08-12




        --- In GreenLeft_discussion@yahoogroups.com, "chris_breen_70" <cbreen70@...> wrote:
        >
        >
        > Hi all, Omar has claimed:
        >
        > "An example closer to home, Solidarity at Melbourne Uni are in a
        > campaign with the Liberal-dominated Clubs and Societies committee to
        > disaffiliate us and sabotage the Marxism 2013 conference. Our agreement
        > on the Russia question is relatively irrelevant; their rabidly sectarian
        > shenanigans are the dominant barrier to unity and cooperation."
        >
        > This is simply not true, and Omar should know that it is not true. If he
        > doesn't know, it can only be because his Melbourne University comrades
        > have not told him the truth.
        >
        > I intended to attach the minutes from all 4 Clubs and Societies
        > committee meetings about the disaffiliation, but it seems attachments
        > are not possible in this forum (if you email me at cbreen70 @...
        > <mailto:cbreen70@...> I will send them to you. I am open to any
        > other suggestion about where I can upload them, they are word docs up to
        > 20 pages each). It is clear from the minutes at the C&S committee that
        > the petition to disaffiliate Socialist Alternative was not brought about
        > by Solidarity. The complaint was not initiated by us. The original
        > report comes from security, and has been taken up by people within C&S.
        > We were not present at any of the meetings. We are not in any campaign,
        > and have not conspired with the Liberals.
        >
        > Socialist Alternative are aware of this. In fact, Stephanie Price asked
        > the committee directly about Solidarity see pg.6 of attached minutes
        > from C&S committee regarding Soc Alt disaffiliation, 01-10-12:
        >
        > Stephanie Price: The petition is based on unfounded accusations. Fiona
        > is aware that Jasmine Ali is not a member of Socialist Alternative and
        > has had contact with her. Speculates about Fiona'smotives
        >
        > Fiona Sanders : Stop implying things and ask me an actual question.
        >
        > Stephanie Price: Do any anecdotal complaints come from Jasmine Ali?
        >
        > Fiona Sanders: No.
        >
        > Omar's post above comes only a week after this was revealed at the
        > C&S committee meeting.
        >
        > Similarly Liz Walsh from Socialist Alternative has claimed on Facebook
        > (a week after Omar's comment):
        >
        > "Solidarity…. is collaborating with the Young Liberals at Melbourne
        > University to disaffiliate Socialist Alternative from the Student Union
        > thereby jeopardising the Marxism conference. Your clubs central role in
        > this appalling affair is fully documented in the student union minutes."
        >
        > There is no such thing documented in the minutes. These comments by Omar
        > and Liz appear to be made in the full knowledge that they are not true.
        >
        > It may suit Socialist Alternative to try and scapegoat Solidarity,
        > rather than look at their own comrades' behaviour which has put them
        > into this situation; but sooner or later, you have to face facts.
        >
        > Socialist Alternative members may want to ask why their leading members
        > are inventing conspiracy stories rather than tell the truth. We hope to
        > see a retraction from Omar and Liz of their unfounded attacks on
        > Solidarity.
        >
        > Chris Breen
        >
        >
        >
        > --- In GreenLeft_discussion@yahoogroups.com, "sherrife2008"
        > <sherrife@> wrote:
        > >
        > > Hi all,
        > >
        > > First time poster on this list, and a member of Socialist Alternative.
        > >
        > > I think James (and Jorge, and the RSP's official statement) have
        > pretty clearly enunciated the reasons for why they are for revolutionary
        > unity. Here James C sums up my take on things too:
        > >
        > > "Well I am sorry but I don't want to have unity with the Greens or the
        > ALP (maybe we should even have unity with the Liberal party by your
        > logic!), the main game is building the revolutionary party to overthrow
        > capitalism, the next step in that game is building a revolutionary cadre
        > organisation i.e. Socialist Alternative."
        > >
        > > Those who disagree with this strategic orientation are free to do so,
        > but it is a point of convergence for the SA and the RSP. Both seek to
        > build an explicitly Marxist organisation. Both believe in the working
        > class as an agent for change. Both see systematic transformation of the
        > system as necessary. Both are opposed to oppression and imperialism. On
        > all these questions there can be differences of opinions, but the
        > principles are uncontroversial.
        > >
        > > Someone raised the point that the formal political programs of the RSP
        > and the leaders at the core of the Alliance being more similar than
        > those of the RSP and SA. So too in Greece, the abstract positions of the
        > DEA and SEK are more or less identical. Go back far enough, the formal
        > position of Lenin and Martov on the question of the coming Russian
        > Revolution was pretty similar too, at least until Feb 1917.
        > >
        > > Clearly, in all these cases, strategic questions have proven to be far
        > from secondary. SEK counterpose ANTARSYA (itself a failed attempt at
        > broad unity) to building a new, genuine mass workers party of the left
        > in the form of SYRIZA. Martov prioritised an alliance with the
        > bourgeoisie over one with the working class/peasantry. And so on.
        > >
        > > An example closer to home, Solidarity at Melbourne Uni are in a
        > campaign with the Liberal-dominated Clubs and Societies committee to
        > disaffiliate us and sabotage the Marxism 2013 conference. Our agreement
        > on the Russia question is relatively irrelevant; their rabidly sectarian
        > shenanigans are the dominant barrier to unity and cooperation. Meanwhile
        > the RSP (and the Alliance for that matter) are happy to discuss unity
        > and have long worked with us in a comradely way.
        > >
        > > So, on the need to continue to build an interventionist, cadre,
        > *Marxist* organisation, the RSP and SA are in agreement. On a whole
        > series of general principles, the same is true. Where there are
        > differences, they will be debated in a comradely manner, as we work
        > together to build a revolutionary current in Australia.
        > >
        > > On questions such as Cuba, Venezuela etc., James rightly refers to the
        > fact that people in existing campaign work will be allowed to continue
        > that work. But the reality is that there are few instances where these
        > issues will have direct import for Australian revolutionaries. Where
        > differences do arise, open debate and democratic decision-making will be
        > the default means of dealing with them. At the same time, it will be
        > important to avoid unnecessary sectarian point scoring - there is
        > limited value in rehashing historic debates endlessly.
        > >
        > > Finally, I would echo James's conclusion. Those who wish to be part of
        > the exciting new developments on the revolutionary left should come to a
        > meeting and/or contact our leadership for a more direct discussion.
        > >
        > > Omar
        > >
        >
        >
        >
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        >
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