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Re: Don't moan, organise

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  • barn1950
    A couple of quick points points as I don t really have the energy or health to do a detailed reply. Almost implict in Ed s comments seems to be the idea that
    Message 1 of 19 , Dec 9, 2011
      A couple of quick points points as I don't really have the energy or health to do a detailed reply.

      Almost implict in Ed's comments seems to be the idea that any sharp criticism of the ALP is secterian. Perhaps I am misreading him and if so perhaps he could enlighten us.

      Nowhere does Ed give us his view on the ALP conference - perhaps he could.

      Its an old debating trick and not much else to try guilt by association. You start an article which is little more than a rant against the far left by quoting the WWSW site - the most secterian and bizzare of the left groups. From there you proceed to describe the positions of three other left groups and put an equal sign between all of them when you should know that the positions all quite different. In the 1930s the approach was: Trotskyites hate Stalin. Capitalists hate Stalin. Therefore the Trotskyites and Capitalists agree. A crude debating trick and nothing more.

      But why stop at the groups you mentioned? What about the Socialist party. Given their long history in the Labor party I am sure their views would be worth noting. And beyond the far left groups what abouth others groups who campaign for justice issues? Or leading individual activists. I suspect you don't want to go down that path because you might find there is widespread disillusionment and disgust at the ALP and its policies.

      This has been clear to me over the past ten years or so. On City Limits we have interviewed hundreds of activists involved in community based campaigns. All of them have been involved in campaigns against plans by the then ALP State Government to impose projects on communities against their wishes be it the desal plant at Wonthaggi, a freeway through inner Melbourne and so on and so. Very few of these proplr are either ALP members are believe that the ALP is in any sense committed to social justice.

      Ed also has not addressed some of the main decesions of the conference in particular the economic policies. The conference endorsed the continuation of the neo-liberal policies of the three decades. And even much of the ALP lefts position on these issues are week. Here in Victoria when the ALP had a chance to take back the transport system into public ownership at no cost it declined. Members of the left were quoted as saying they no longer believed in public ownership. Werid but true.

      --- In GreenLeft_discussion@yahoogroups.com, "ffrillneck" <ffrillneck@...> wrote:
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      > My prediction that the Labor Party conference would be received with a round of ritual moaning and whingeing on the far left has been largely confirmed, although a couple of people have accused me of dishonesty in saying that.
      >
      > Full: http://tinyurl.com/892bfx3
      >
    • ffrillneck
      The Labor left and its role: a response to Doug Jordan http://ozleft.wordpress.com/2011/12/11/is-there-a-labor-left/
      Message 2 of 19 , Dec 10, 2011
        The Labor left and its role: a response to Doug Jordan

        http://ozleft.wordpress.com/2011/12/11/is-there-a-labor-left/
      • luke weyland
        Now that Bananas cost just 99c per kilo, Guess what I have just had for lunch. Perhaps this why I have gone bananas dreaming of the day when the Socialists of
        Message 3 of 19 , Dec 11, 2011
          Now that Bananas cost just 99c per kilo, Guess what I have just had for lunch.
          Perhaps this why I have gone bananas dreaming of the day when the
          Socialists of Oz Unite behind one party banner, one newspaper and one
          tv station.



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          For humanity, ecology, & socialism,
          Luke Weyland
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