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  • Ratbag Media
    http://socialistworker.org/2010/07/01/smearing-chavez-and-venezuela - Smearing a film about Chávez s Venezuela J Oliver Stone s documentary South of the
    Message 1 of 4 , Jul 1, 2010
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      http://socialistworker.org/2010/07/01/smearing-chavez-and-venezuela

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      Smearing a film about Chávez's Venezuela

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      Oliver Stone's documentary South of the Border--about Venezuela and
      its President Hugo Chávez--was trashed in the New York Times in a
      feature story by correspondent Larry Rohter. Rohter complained the
      film was full of mistakes--but supporters of the film point out that
      he made far more errors in his brief article. Here, Gregory Wilpert,
      co-founder of theVenezuelanalysis.com Web site, responds to attack on
      the film and on his particular role in it.
    • Stuart Munckton
      Actually, US Socialist Worker have pretty much always supported Chavez against attacks from the right. There is nothing really new here. Green left Weekly ran
      Message 2 of 4 , Jul 1, 2010
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        Actually, US Socialist Worker have pretty much always supported Chavez
        against attacks from the right. There is nothing really new here.

        Green left Weekly ran an abridged version of this article way back in 2004
        by SW journalist Lee Sustar
        http://socialistworker.org/2004-2/509/509_08_Venezuela.shtml


        On 1 July 2010 17:16, Ratbag Media <ratbagradio@...> wrote:

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        > http://socialistworker.org/2010/07/01/smearing-chavez-and-venezuela
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        > Smearing a film about Ch�vez's Venezuela
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        > Oliver Stone's documentary South of the Border--about Venezuela and
        > its President Hugo Ch�vez--was trashed in the New York Times in a
        > feature story by correspondent Larry Rohter. Rohter complained the
        > film was full of mistakes--but supporters of the film point out that
        > he made far more errors in his brief article. Here, Gregory Wilpert,
        > co-founder of theVenezuelanalysis.com Web site, responds to attack on
        > the film and on his particular role in it.
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        �Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is man's original
        virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through
        disobedience and through rebellion.� � Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man Under
        Socialism

        �The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of
        dummy?� � Jarvis Cocker


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      • glparramatta
        However, those from the IST tradition (or who look to the US ISO when it suits them) in this country would be much less likely (whereas those from the IST
        Message 3 of 4 , Jul 1, 2010
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          However, those from the IST tradition (or who look to the US ISO when it suits them) in this country would be much less likely (whereas those from the IST tradition in NZ and Zim, for example, would likely do so), in particular Socialist Alternative. We should direct this article where we can towards SAlt people, and ask why SAlt doesn't run it in their mag.

          The fact the US Socialist Worker has reprinted an article from outside their tradition, and written by people who support and recognise the Ven revolution is perhaps a first (and perhaps not) but it is an example to others in the IST.

          --- In GreenLeft_discussion@yahoogroups.com, Stuart Munckton <stuartmunckton@...> wrote:
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          > Actually, US Socialist Worker have pretty much always supported Chavez
          > against attacks from the right. There is nothing really new here.
        • Stuart Munckton
          Well, it definitely isn t a first for the US SW to run an article defending the Bolivarian revolution, including *both* by their members and members outside
          Message 4 of 4 , Jul 1, 2010
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            Well, it definitely isn't a first for the US SW to run an article defending
            the Bolivarian revolution, including *both* by their members and members
            outside their organisation.

            I don't always entirely agree with the approach or the emphasis US SW give
            in their coverage of Venezuela, but it has never denied there is a
            revolution nor expressed hostility to it.

            Two further examples,. one by a member of the US ISO and one not (in fact,,
            by a British socialist from a very different tradition:

            US ratchets up tensions with
            Venezuela<http://socialistworker.org/2008/09/22/tensions-with-venezuela>by
            Nicole Colson (which contains *not one word* of criticism of Chavez,
            simply reports the threat to the left-wing government by the US)

            A new smear against
            Chavez<http://socialistworker.org/2008/05/28/new-smear-against-chavez>by
            Chris Carlson

            And they run articles on a wide-range of topics from people outside their
            organisation all the time � this is totally in line with their general
            approach.

            All indications, in
            cluding from comrades who have attending their conferences, is that the ISO
            are a very different outfit from SAlt - relatively healthy, outward-looking
            and without the sort of dogmatism SAlt are renowned for.

            That isn't to say their politics don't include much of the IST tradition,
            they do. But they are much more open and less sectarian.

            We can point this article out to SAlt, but I imagine the response would be
            they also defend Chavez from the right. It is just they never really apply
            that, accept coupled with often distorted criticisms of Chavez as part of
            raising very real problems within the process.

            And on Venezuela, SAlt are actually not that representative of others from
            the IST tradition, including the IST itself - which actually has run
            articles similar to Wilpert's in a series of publications. Their approach is
            to support the process in a general sense, while emphasing all the reasons
            why Chavez's approach is dangerous or can't succeed (usually expressed in a
            more open-ended way, but with the message not that subtle and usually
            backed-up by some perfectly true points and some distorted or outright wrong
            ones).

            Stuart




            On 1 July 2010 18:29, glparramatta <glparramatta@...> wrote:

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            >
            > However, those from the IST tradition (or who look to the US ISO when it
            > suits them) in this country would be much less likely (whereas those from
            > the IST tradition in NZ and Zim, for example, would likely do so), in
            > particular Socialist Alternative. We should direct this article where we can
            > towards SAlt people, and ask why SAlt doesn't run it in their mag.
            >
            > The fact the US Socialist Worker has reprinted an article from outside
            > their tradition, and written by people who support and recognise the Ven
            > revolution is perhaps a first (and perhaps not) but it is an example to
            > others in the IST.
            >
            >
            > --- In GreenLeft_discussion@yahoogroups.com<GreenLeft_discussion%40yahoogroups.com>,
            > Stuart Munckton <stuartmunckton@...> wrote:
            > >
            > > Actually, US Socialist Worker have pretty much always supported Chavez
            > > against attacks from the right. There is nothing really new here.
            >
            >
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            --
            �Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is man's original
            virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through
            disobedience and through rebellion.� � Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man Under
            Socialism

            �The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of
            dummy?� � Jarvis Cocker


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