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Alan Bradley's ugly little Toowoomba-Moscow Trial (Was: Re: [GreenLeft_discussion] Local elections - don't y a just love 'em?)

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    Alan Bradley s ugly little Toowoomba-Moscow Trial I bitterly resent the low key but deliberate, semi-Stalinist throwaway remark by DSP leadership supporter
    Message 1 of 2 , Mar 28 4:59 PM
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      Alan Bradley's ugly little Toowoomba-Moscow Trial

      I bitterly resent the low key but deliberate, semi-Stalinist throwaway
      remark by DSP leadership supporter Alan Bradley, who happens to be in the
      Greens. Why I consider it worthwhile to respond to this inane remark is that
      he's only taking a cue from people who should know better, like
      GLW-Parramatta, who said something similar in a post in December, and
      several other DSP leadership supporters who have said similar things.

      The proposition is, that if you argue for a different tactical orientation
      other than that advanced by the DSP leadership, you are sabotaging the
      socialist struggle. That means that every socialist outside the smallish
      minority of socialists, who adopt the DSP leadership's current tactical
      orientation, are saboteurs. Over a very long and active political life, I've
      been accused of political sabotage by Stalinists, ALP right wingers and
      members of the official ALP left from time-to-time. It ought not to be
      necessary to draw attention to the way this level of discussion resembles
      that of the Stalinists in the Moscow Trials in the 1930s. Its offensive and
      stupid for Bradley and other DSP leadership supporters to go on in this way,
      but it is consistent with, and to some extent flows from their
      semi-Stalinist, 'Third-Period' political orientation.

      I'm not appealing to the patient moderator of this list to do anything about
      it. If Bradley and other DSP leadership supporters choose to use arguments
      right out of the historical arsenal of Stalinism, I can't stop them doing
      that. In a way its politically educational for others. But if Bradley and
      others can accuse me of sabotage, with the hint of Stalinist witchburning
      that is implied, it is not unreasonable of me to point out the historical
      overtones in a such a political approach.

      Bob Gould

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      From: "alanb1000" <neilgodfrey@...>
      To: <GreenLeft_discussion@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 8:00 AM
      Subject: [GreenLeft_discussion] Local elections - don't ya just love 'em?


      > Well, today I was lucky enough to inherit the biggest polling booth in
      > the electorate, because, let's face it, I've got ten-to-N years
      > experience at working polling booths, which our other people haven't.
      >
      > I still don't know who I'm going to vote for.
      >
      > Fortunately I don't have to start the booth, but that really
      > translates to: when I get there, whoever was there (is there now)
      > handed all the good places to stick your placards to the more
      > experienced campaigners. I'm feeling better already.
      >
      > The sad thing is that the Greens have such a low level of training
      > that most of the booth workers will hand out their cards, and then
      > just bugger off. I'm going to be there all day, at the biggest booth,
      > with the same number of cards.
      >
      > I've given the candidate a bit of a discussion about what I expect,
      > but I fully anticipate the silly sod to just let me, and any other
      > booth workers who put any serious time in, rot.
      >
      > There won't even be a party tonight, because dumb-Lad hasn't yet fully
      > understood the significance of getting your campaign workers together
      > and thanking them for their efforts. Funnily enough, fewer people were
      > willing to work on this campaign than worked on the last one.
      >
      > Don't worry, I'm still planning on moving a leadership spill in my
      > branch whenever it is that we meet. The only Greens I expect to meet
      > today are going to be young ones, with horrendous hangovers, because
      > some genius managed to organise a party for us _last_ night.
      >
      > Bob Gould couldn't have sabotaged us better himself.
      >
      > Alan Bradley
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    • alanb1000
      ... While my remark was a bit out of line (I was very annoyed with certain members of the Greens), the comment above is of comparable offensiveness. It assumes
      Message 2 of 2 , Mar 29 3:16 AM
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        Bob Gould wrote:
        > Why I consider it worthwhile to respond to this inane remark
        > is that he's only taking a cue from people who should know better,

        While my remark was a bit out of line (I was very annoyed with
        certain members of the Greens), the comment above is of comparable
        offensiveness.

        It assumes that I couldn't possibly have been annoyed by Bob in my
        own right. This is entirely unfair, and I reserve the right to be
        personally offended by whomever I so chose.

        > The proposition is, that if you argue for a different tactical
        > orientation other than that advanced by the DSP leadership, you are
        > sabotaging the socialist struggle.

        No, the proposition is that Bob would attempt to incite division and
        paralysis in _any_ left challenge to social democracy, regardless of
        anything it says, does, or is. This, incidentally, would include the
        Greens, if he thought he could get leverage.

        > But if Bradley and others can accuse me of sabotage, with the hint
        > of Stalinist witchburning that is implied, it is not unreasonable
        > of me to point out the historical overtones in a such a political
        > approach.

        Well, Bob, I'm no Trotskyist, and I never have been. :)

        BTW, the candidate in the Toowoomba council elections who is a member
        of the Greens got about 11%. Unfortunately, this was a "pick 8
        candidates out of 32" election, so 11% was a very low vote. The
        candidates who were elected all got over 25%, with the highest vote
        being around 39%.

        This is not a particularly democratic way of doing things, of course.

        The overall result was something of a shift to the right, although
        that implies a certain claim that the incumbents who were defeated
        were further to the left than they actually were. Let's just say that
        the land developers won't be unhappy at the result.

        Finally, I suppose I should respond to Bob's jibe about me being a
        supporter of the DSP leadership who just happens to be a member of
        the Greens. This is obvious nonsense.

        I am a member of the Greens. Period. I am not anything else.

        If I'm a "supporter" of any "leadership", it's a local faction of the
        Greens, who are loosely aligned with the majority faction of the
        leadership of the Queensland Greens. The amount of gibberish in that
        sentence indicates the nature and worth of the concepts we are
        dealing with.

        In the real world outside this list, I have no regular contact with
        the Socialist Alliance or _any_ of the tendencies within it.

        Bob is suggesting that I am disloyal to the Greens, and have other
        allegiances. I say, Bob is loyal to the ALP, and has no other
        allegiances!

        Alan Bradley
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