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Re: A balance sheet on the crisis in the DSP

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  • bobgould987
    Luke Skywalker lets the cat out of the bag By Bob Gould First of all, to Luke himself. I ve got nothing at all against you, Luke. Years ago at a demonstration
    Message 1 of 36 , Jan 2, 2008
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      Luke Skywalker lets the cat out of the bag

      By Bob Gould

      First of all, to Luke himself. I've got nothing at all against you,
      Luke. Years ago at a demonstration you grumbled to me in a humorous
      way that I had kept you up half the night reading stuff that was on
      Ozleft. To anyone who writes, even for a small audience, the notion
      that anyone reacts is always flattering, so thanks for your interest.

      I also found your personal apologia on the Green Left site, in which
      you described your own human itinerary involving experimentation with
      different religions, of some interest.

      But I'd submit to you that Marxist politics is something quite
      different to religious inquiry and enthusiasm. I respect people who've
      experimented with religion, because it's a fairly common phenomenon
      among vast numbers of people, including many workers and peasants. But
      religious enthusiasms applied to socialist, Marxist and working class
      politics is a thoroughgoing pain in the neck.

      Marxism has a sociological, tactical and strategic aspect that's
      central to it. Appeals to conversion can have a certain value when
      there's an upward movement in the working class. Lenin was at some
      pains to insist that Marxist parties shouldn't include religious
      people, and the Bolsheviks recruited very widely among the Old
      Believers, the most persecuted sect in Russia.

      For that kind of reason I'm completely out of sympathy with the
      attitude of flamboyant, reactionary bourgeois atheists such as Richard
      Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens. The latter, in particular, uses his
      flamboyant atheism to attack Muslims and anti-imperialists of all
      sorts and advance the cause of US imperialism. I belong to the Tariq
      Ali-Terry Eagleton faction in matters of religion.

      I do insist, however, that Marxism is a product of the Enlightenment
      and that Marxist politics and strategies that are based on simple
      religious enthusiasm, without a realistic balance sheet of the
      possibilities and social factors bearing on socialist tasks is
      pernicious. I don't particularly like picking on you personally as
      representative of a trend among supporters of the DSP leaders, but in
      fact you are.

      On the matters in train as we speak in the DSP, you've well and truly
      let the cat out of the bag in a rather naive way (I find one aspect of
      how you've done this deeply offensive. You refer to the minority as a
      tiny group of splitters who you hope will be converted back to the
      true path. In fact, the leaders of this group have been fighting for
      socialism, and involved in socialist political activity for more than
      30 years. I've had deep-rooted conflicts with them, which are unlikely
      to go away unless we reach some clarity, but I have respect for their
      ongoing political activity and understanding. You would do better to
      try to learn something from them, rather than dismissing them as an
      absurd minority standing in the way of the progress of the DSP.)

      The story that you tell lets the cat out of the bag in the following way.

      It's quite clear what you've repeated on the Green Left list is the
      story the Boyle leadership is telling the ranks of its faction.

      I don't doubt that they're telling the ranks this story with the
      advantages they have from being in charge of a small apparatus, and I
      don't doubt that they're telling the ranks about the minority with the
      extravagant vindictiveness that is often present in disputes in small
      groups, and which bursts out from time to time on the Green Left site
      and Marxmail.

      The story that you repeat is obviously the bill of goods for the
      forthcoming expulsions. If you're repeating the story the way you do,
      it's clear the exclusion of the minority is immediately pending. The
      way these things work in small groups is that the Boyle leadership has
      obviously telling everyone among the majority's relatively small rank
      and file that a split is likely and probably unavoidable and the onus
      is on the minority.

      This all has a bit of a flavour of the exclusion of the
      Cochrane-Braverman minority in the US SWP in 1953, which was justified
      by Jim Cannon and others on the grounds of the minority's boycott of
      the big anniversary celebration of the SWP.

      Another aspect of your blurting it all out is also significant. You
      refer to the opposition as a tiny minority. In a very small
      organisation, the probably 40 or so members of the minority are in
      fact a fair chunk of the membership, and they include a large number
      of the seasoned, historic leaders of the DSP. If you think they're a
      small, irrelevant minority who can just be shrugged off unless they
      respond to the majority's calls for conversion, your view of practical
      politics is even more eccentric than I thought.

      It's pretty clear from your blurting it out that the expulsions won't
      happen at the congress, but afterwards, and some the minority will be
      presented with some sort of ultimatum to buckle under or they're out
      in the interests of the homogeneity of the organisation and the great
      possibilities that face it. Of course, that's all nonsense, and
      obviously so.

      The ranks of the Boyle faction should be a bit cautious in these
      matters, and even now restrain their leaders from forcing a split the
      outcome of which will be the opposite of what you desire.
    • luke weyland
      Tonight the DSP conference finished ( with the exception of the concluding rounding up in the morning session to come) with a celebration of numerous victories
      Message 36 of 36 , Jan 5, 2008
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        Tonight the DSP conference finished ( with the exception of the concluding
        rounding up in the morning session to come) with a celebration of numerous
        victories by DSP, Resistance, Socialist Alliance, and the broad left
        movement.

        All of us raised our fists in the air and sung, or shouted both Solidarity
        Forever and The Internationale. Laughter, hugs, and sharing a common
        struggle a common hope, dream, and a struggle to come. I was filled with
        more confidence and hope, than I was over the past few weeks.

        To the majority, let us continue to welcome ideas that the minority faction
        will continue to offer. To the minority, we need you to fight along side us
        for for the rights of all workers, gays, refugees, disabled, orphans,
        unemployed, students, subbies, migrants, etc. May we strive for the
        peoples of Latin America, welcome the arrival of President Hugo Chavez Frias
        ( or perhaps his minister) to Australia, May we not rest until 21st
        Socialism is fully realized, across this planet.

        PS Jim I am really looking forward to reading Volume II of the History of
        Resistance/SWP/ DSP!


        --
        May the force be with you all, always,
        Luke "skywalker" weyland


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