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RE: [GreenLeft_discussion] CHINESE WOMEN ELECT TO HAVE BABIES IN HONG KONG

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  • Jim Parker
    Michael Nothing to do with social welfare that I can see. The women referred to in the article simply violated the one child policy that has opearted so
    Message 1 of 4 , Feb 1, 2007
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      Michael

      Nothing to do with social welfare that I can see. The women referred to in
      the article simply violated the 'one child policy' that has opearted so
      successfully in the PRC

      Jim


      >From: "Michael Berrell" <dennyben@...>
      >Reply-To: GreenLeft_discussion@yahoogroups.com
      >To: <GreenLeft_discussion@yahoogroups.com>
      >Subject: [GreenLeft_discussion] CHINESE WOMEN ELECT TO HAVE BABIES IN HONG
      >KONG
      >Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:01:30 +1100
      >
      >Apparently there's more social welfare in Hong Kong than in "Communist"
      >China.
      >
      >http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6317127.stm
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    • Michael Berrell
      Hi Jim, Glad you took the time to read the article. The article cites the One Child Policy but also goes on to state that Hong Kong has a well developed system
      Message 2 of 4 , Feb 1, 2007
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        Hi Jim,

        Glad you took the time to read the article.

        The article cites the One Child Policy but also goes on to state that Hong Kong has a well developed system of social welfare. My understanding is that the hospital system in the People's Republic is strictly on a user pays basis. The poor simply can't afford to get ill. I can refer you to further articles if you are interested.


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        From: Jim Parker
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        Michael

        Nothing to do with social welfare that I can see. The women referred to in
        the article simply violated the 'one child policy' that has opearted so
        successfully in the PRC

        Jim

        >From: "Michael Berrell" <dennyben@...>
        >Reply-To: GreenLeft_discussion@yahoogroups.com
        >To: <GreenLeft_discussion@yahoogroups.com>
        >Subject: [GreenLeft_discussion] CHINESE WOMEN ELECT TO HAVE BABIES IN HONG
        >KONG
        >Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:01:30 +1100
        >
        >Apparently there's more social welfare in Hong Kong than in "Communist"
        >China.
        >
        >http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6317127.stm
        >
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      • Jim Parker
        Michael, From what I ve read the medical system there runs on these lines - Chinese patients must pay a deposit of over half their anticipated expenses before
        Message 3 of 4 , Feb 1, 2007
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          Michael,

          From what I've read the medical system there runs on these lines -

          Chinese patients must pay a deposit of over half their anticipated expenses
          before they enter the hospital, and services halt the moment their account
          runs dry (each patient's balance is posted on the ward daily). Doctors
          carefully analyse and explain every expenditure to their patients in
          advance, but patients frequently still become heavily indebted to family and
          friends, and risk medical abandonment if they cannot raise cash quickly
          enough. While such practices now sound abhorrent, they used to be common in
          the U.S.

          BBC report quoting the PRC state media here
          http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4062523.stm

          Looking at the situation overall. Between 1949 and 1975, life expectancy in
          socialist China more than doubled, from about 32 to 65 years. By the early
          1970s, infant mortality rates in Shanghai were lower than in New York City.
          The extent of literacy swelled in the span of one generation--from about 15
          percent in 1949 to some 80 to 90 percent in the mid-1970s.
          Before the revolution came to power in 1949, China had been dominated by
          foreign imperialist powers. By practically all available measures, the
          economy was near the bottom of the world development scale. It had little
          industry. Agriculture was brutal serfdom. China had the most ruinous
          inflation in modern world history. It had a vast criminal underworld of
          gangsters and secret societies, and almost 90 million opium addicts. For
          women, it was a living hell: foot binding, arranged marriages, and child
          brides were widespread social practices. Prostitution was rampant in the
          cities.These kinds of social evils and the extreme polarization of wealth
          that existed before 1949 were eradicated by the revolution.

          The PRC is clearly in transition from a planned to a market economy. A
          planned transition unlike the fiasco the revisionist Gen Sec's of the CPSU
          imposed on the Soviet peoples. It remains to be seen if the CPC will throw
          up a Gorbachev to bring in fully blown capitalism and dissolve what remains
          of the socialist state.

          Jim


          >From: "Michael Berrell" <dennyben@...>
          >Reply-To: GreenLeft_discussion@yahoogroups.com
          >To: <GreenLeft_discussion@yahoogroups.com>
          >Subject: Re: [GreenLeft_discussion] CHINESE WOMEN ELECT TO HAVE BABIES IN
          >HONG KONG
          >Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 03:23:12 +1100
          >
          > Hi Jim,
          >
          > Glad you took the time to read the article.
          >
          >The article cites the One Child Policy but also goes on to state that Hong
          >Kong has a well developed system of social welfare. My understanding is
          >that the hospital system in the People's Republic is strictly on a user
          >pays basis. The poor simply can't afford to get ill. I can refer you to
          >further articles if you are interested.
          >
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: Jim Parker
          > To: GreenLeft_discussion@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:41 PM
          > Subject: RE: [GreenLeft_discussion] CHINESE WOMEN ELECT TO HAVE BABIES
          >IN HONG KONG
          >
          >
          > Michael
          >
          > Nothing to do with social welfare that I can see. The women referred to
          >in
          > the article simply violated the 'one child policy' that has opearted so
          > successfully in the PRC
          >
          > Jim
          >
          > >From: "Michael Berrell" <dennyben@...>
          > >Reply-To: GreenLeft_discussion@yahoogroups.com
          > >To: <GreenLeft_discussion@yahoogroups.com>
          > >Subject: [GreenLeft_discussion] CHINESE WOMEN ELECT TO HAVE BABIES IN
          >HONG
          > >KONG
          > >Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:01:30 +1100
          > >
          > >Apparently there's more social welfare in Hong Kong than in "Communist"
          > >China.
          > >
          >
          > >http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6317127.stm
          > >
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