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  • bobgould987
    Slanderous left talk from Norm Dixon By Bob Gould My careful piece commenting on the upheavals on the Labor Party and society at large about Howard s
    Message 1 of 4 , Nov 1, 2005
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      Slanderous left talk from Norm Dixon

      By Bob Gould

      My careful piece commenting on the upheavals on the Labor Party and
      society at large about Howard's pernicious "anti-terror" legislation
      produced a flurry of political loopiness on the Green Left list.

      In the face of my pointing to the internal upheaval in Labor's ranks,
      one of the DSP leaders responded that the DSP hadn't been hard enough
      on the Labor Party. Whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make
      mad, as the saying goes.

      The main effective opposition to Howard's proposed measures has come
      from bourgeois liberals, lawyers, etc, and from within the Labor
      Party. If the laws are to be defeated, or at least the worst aspects
      of them removed, the defeat of Howard and the preservation of some
      part of our democratic rights will be a direct result of the broad
      agitation in society producing a reversal among the Labor politicians.

      As late as this evening it seems as if Beazley is not having it all
      his own way on these matters, by any stretch of the imagination. None
      of this fits the DSP leadership's eccentric schema and curious
      alternate mental world in which they place themselves at the centre of
      all progressive developments.

      The DSP leaders can't bring themselves to have anything good to say
      about the progressive role played on this question by Duncan Kerr MP,
      Carmen Lawrence MP ACT Premier Stanhope and Daryl Melham MP, or the
      role played by the left union leaders from all states, including
      several from Victoria to whom the DSP often points, at the national
      left meeting, which opposed Howard's legislation unanimously.

      The weird hysteria and the abusive language directed at Ed Lewis is
      clearly dictated by the bankruptcy of the DSP leadership's view of the
      ALP as a monolithic whole, always engaged in betrayal.

      The venom, on this occasion directed at Ed Lewis's tough head, is also
      clearly dictated by the increasing turmoil inside the DSP as the
      factional struggle between its two factions, which wasn't resolved at
      the DSP's national committee meeting, heats up towards the
      Christmas-New Year conference.

      Even allowing for the frustration obviously felt by Dixon on internal
      DSP questions, it's outrageous and offensive for him to accuse Ed
      Lewis of supporting Beazley, which is simply not true unless you have
      the mad DSP leadership outlook that a failure to engage in crude abuse
      of Beazley every two seconds is evidence of support for Beazley. What
      was it Lenin said about scolding soundrels?

      The sheer nature of the developments in the Labor Party, with the
      sharpest conflicts developing on these questions, underlines the
      bankruptcy of the DSP leadership's approach to the mass movement, as
      they try to artificially put themselves at the centre of events, which
      everyone else can see is fantasy.

      Sharp criticism is one thing, slander is quite another and political
      sanitation suggests that Dixon, who has been around a long time and
      should know better, should immediately retract his slanders against Ed
      Lewis.

      PS. Ed Lewis pointed to the discussion on Margo Kingston's site, which
      was sharply critical of Beazley, as serious analysis of the events.
      There has been no serious analysis of the political contradictions
      surrounding the anti-terror laws, either in Green Left Weekly or on
      its discussion site, because the DSP's crackpot obsession with
      denouncing the Labor Party, and placing the DSP at the centre of
      events, even when as in this instance it clearly isn't, is an obstacle
      to the DSP leadership making any serious analysis of Australian
      political events.

      The issue of John Howard's police state laws is still unresolved. I
      hope we defeat them and preserve our civil liberties, but it would be
      over-optimistic to say that's inevitable. These are, however, big and
      serious questions and if our civil liberties are to be preserved,
      people like Lawrence, Stanhope, Melham and Kerr, and the many legal
      people who've protested effectively against the laws, are more
      reliable and effective allies than the bizarre leaders of the DSP sect
      (both clans) who can't see the wood for the trees.
    • Nick Fredman
      I have received a blinding revelation on the road to Newtown. By my Polish grandmother-in-law s almost-life-sized statue of the Blessed Virgin Mary (BVM), I
      Message 2 of 4 , Nov 2, 2005
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        I have received a blinding revelation on the road to Newtown.

        By my Polish grandmother-in-law's almost-life-sized statue of the
        Blessed Virgin Mary (BVM), I swear that the latest Edict from Pope
        Bob I has made me realise the horrible sin deep within my sectarian
        soul. I know that humans in general are flawed by Original Sin, and
        in particular DSP members cannot help but commit demented
        sectarianism against all ALP members merely by opening their mouths
        or touching a keyboard, but from now on I will strive to be good, or
        at least appropriately humble and submissive. Please help us, oh
        Socialist Pontiff of King St.

        Of course Pope Bob, in his infinite and infallible wisdom, does not
        have to supply any actual examples of the myriad sins of the DSP
        sect, in its straying from the True Faith, as everyone already knows
        all about it. So I'll have to guess a bit, in trying to be good.

        Perhaps I should ask the local ALP branch, ALP unionists, and liberal
        lawyers and academics to join the local civil rights campaign. But
        I'd already done that before receiving my revelation, so I must have
        done something wrong ... oh no, I should have realised that a group
        of demented, unreliable sectarians initiating a campaign will only
        undermine it, and I should have waited for such respectable worthies
        to make a move, and then followed with the proper humility.

        The damage is done, what else must I do, Pope Bob? Stop them seeing
        all that horrible "slander" about the ALP in Green Left and Norm
        Dixon's posts. None of the above mentioned people have run screaming
        from me, so thank the BVM they mustn't have seen GLW before (as Ed
        Lewis has pointed out before, no one actually reads it, not
        sophisticated people who count anyway, and the DSP just makes
        readership figures up). But in my humble ignorance, I'm not sure
        exactly what is most slanderous - please tell us Pope Bob, PLEASE.

        Perhaps I should try to stop the reposting of all these articles
        about the ALP and the anti-terror laws on the GL list. I now realise
        that such articles printed in the establishment press or posted on
        Margo Kinston's site are part of a sophisticated discourse that I can
        barely hope to comprehend, being a brain-dead sectarian who's never
        even met anyone outside the DSP, but when posted on the GL list
        become demented, campaign destroying sectarianism.

        Of course I should stop all the "weird hysteria and the abusive
        language" against poor Ed Lewis, but sorry Pope Bob, I can't quite
        pinpoint what that is. Please tell us. I know, being one of the
        Elect, Cardinal Ed is allowed to toss off, without argumentation or
        evidence, lines about "shallow, propagandist ALP-bashing". I now
        understand this is sophisticated discourse, not a provocation for his
        own amusement, and if I respond in kind, I deserve to be damned for
        ever. As for Norm calling him an "apologist", whoa, nassssty! Slap a
        Parental Guidance sticker on that one and make sure no minors buy it.

        In any case, I humbly beseech you, Pope Bob, we're lost little lambs
        without your sermons, but please fill in the above details so you
        continue to try and guide us.

        Actually, perhaps you could also run workshops for DSP members. "I'm
        going to hold up this picture of Kim Beazley now ... Comrade Boyle,
        stop twitching and frothing, I kept telling you sharp criticism only,
        no hysteria!".




        --
      • Peter Boyle
        Nick I must confess that the Devil has a mighty hold on my fingers because I just can t resist sinning at the keyboard... I cannot resist drawing GL list
        Message 3 of 4 , Nov 2, 2005
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          Nick

          I must confess that the Devil has a mighty hold on my fingers because I
          just can't resist sinning at the keyboard...

          I cannot resist drawing GL list readers attention to the fact that NSW
          Labor Premier Morris Iemma actually used those words that I foolishly
          imagined no Labor politician would have gone a mile near after “Bomber”
          Beazley’s shameful “shoulder to shoulder” with Howard’s refugee policy
          after the Tampa and SIEV X tragedies in 2001:

          "John Howard has given me the protections that I insisted on, so now we
          stand shoulder to shoulder in the fight against terrorism," he said today.

          - The Australian, November 2
          <http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17114981%255E29277,00.html>

          The Devil made me do it. Again. But Confession is always a relief.

          Peter Boyle


          Nick Fredman wrote:

          > By my Polish grandmother-in-law's almost-life-sized statue of the
          > Blessed Virgin Mary (BVM), I swear that the latest Edict from Pope
          > Bob I has made me realise the horrible sin deep within my sectarian
          > soul. I know that humans in general are flawed by Original Sin, and
          > in particular DSP members cannot help but commit demented
          > sectarianism against all ALP members merely by opening their mouths
          > or touching a keyboard, but from now on I will strive to be good, or
          > at least appropriately humble and submissive. Please help us, oh
          > Socialist Pontiff of King St.
        • duroyan fertl
          The Devil. Yes. Well, maybe. But surely Bob means Seditious .... Duroyan ...
          Message 4 of 4 , Nov 2, 2005
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            The Devil. Yes. Well, maybe.

            But surely Bob means "Seditious"....

            Duroyan

            --- Peter Boyle <peterb@...> wrote:

            > Nick
            >
            > I must confess that the Devil has a mighty hold on
            > my fingers because I
            > just can't resist sinning at the keyboard...
            >
            > I cannot resist drawing GL list readers attention to
            > the fact that NSW
            > Labor Premier Morris Iemma actually used those words
            > that I foolishly
            > imagined no Labor politician would have gone a mile
            > near after “Bomber”
            > Beazley’s shameful “shoulder to shoulder” with
            > Howard’s refugee policy
            > after the Tampa and SIEV X tragedies in 2001:
            >
            > "John Howard has given me the protections that I
            > insisted on, so now we
            > stand shoulder to shoulder in the fight against
            > terrorism," he said today.
            >
            > - The Australian, November 2
            >
            <http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17114981%255E29277,00.html>
            >
            > The Devil made me do it. Again. But Confession is
            > always a relief.
            >
            > Peter Boyle
            >
            >
            > Nick Fredman wrote:
            >
            > > By my Polish grandmother-in-law's
            > almost-life-sized statue of the
            > > Blessed Virgin Mary (BVM), I swear that the latest
            > Edict from Pope
            > > Bob I has made me realise the horrible sin deep
            > within my sectarian
            > > soul. I know that humans in general are flawed by
            > Original Sin, and
            > > in particular DSP members cannot help but commit
            > demented
            > > sectarianism against all ALP members merely by
            > opening their mouths
            > > or touching a keyboard, but from now on I will
            > strive to be good, or
            > > at least appropriately humble and submissive.
            > Please help us, oh
            > > Socialist Pontiff of King St.
            >
            >
            >
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