Re: More Green Left web readers
- By Bob Gould
A general question for Peter Boyle, over and above factional and
This report of the extraordinary number of hits on the Green Left site
is encouraging from the point of view of socialist propaganda.
The World Socialist Web Site, which positioned itself early on the
web, seems to get an even more spectacular response, and that's also
encouraging, in a general way, for socialists.
It's an open secret that sales of printed socialist newspapers,
including Green Left Weekly, are probably at an all-time low.
Personally, I'm inclined to favour persisting with print socialist
newspapers as an agitational tool. From that point of view, despite
political differences, the print edition of GLW is a considerable
Nevertheless, the effort and cost of producing the paper is obviously
I wonder how, despite the enormous number of hits on radical web
presences such as GLW, WSWS and others, it's possible to generate
enough finance on the web to cover the cost of up-to-the-minute coverage.
Joaquin Bustelo, for instance, seems to have a very expansive view of
the possibilities of the web, but it seems we need an objective
discussion of the issues and possibilities for socialists on the web,
and what continuing utility printed socialist propaganda has as well.
I'm not convinced by Bustelo rubbishing the idea of printed socialist
Our experience at Ozleft isn't in the same league as the mainly
agitational web presences of GLW and WSWS, but our experience is that
even for a site that concentrates mostly on history and theory, the
interest and access rate is going up rapidly.
This also has a bearing on printed magazine projects such as Seeing
Red, Dissent, Arena, Overland and others.
One thing that Peter Boyle might gives us, if he doesn't mind, is the
raw figures as to how the hits on GLW break down between Australia and
- bobgould987 wrote:
> It's an open secret that sales of printed socialist newspapers,I think the degree to which the internet is cutting into hard copy
> including Green Left Weekly, are probably at an all-time low.
distribution should not be overstated. Over the last couple of years,
while the weekly street sales of Green Left Weekly have gone down from
an average of about 2000 to about 1500, this seems more related to the
amount of activist time put into that form of distribution. This varies
with the state of the movements (which has been low), degree of
organisation, competing demands for activist time, etc. However, with
relatively little attention, we have maintained in addition to those
sales, some 1300 domestic subscribers (including members of DSP and
Resistance). And the rate of street sales has remained pretty constant.
With the announcement of details of Howard's proposed new union laws,
Green Left Weekly distribution has been rising again.
So despite the fact that many people are turning to the internet for
their politics (see Downloading Democracy
Surf and I Vote
there is still an important political role for printed publications on
the left, both as an agitator and organiser.... and finance raiser!
>If and when we discover "the secret" of making big bucks from left
> Nevertheless, the effort and cost of producing the paper is obviously
> I wonder how, despite the enormous number of hits on radical web
> presences such as GLW, WSWS and others, it's possible to generate
> enough finance on the web to cover the cost of up-to-the-minute coverage.
publishing on the internet, we will tell all our friends! But we are
researching seriously, don't you worry about that.
> I'm not convinced by Bustelo rubbishing the idea of printed socialistNeither am I.
>I think it is about 70% overseas but still enough domestic web readers
> One thing that Peter Boyle might gives us, if he doesn't mind, is the
> raw figures as to how the hits on GLW break down between Australia and
> During the election, the Labor Party was the second most popular siteand
> and /Green Left Weekly/ received more visits than the Liberal Party.
> Hitwise recorded that the most popular search terms that political
> visitors typed in were "Michael Moore", "globalisation", "abortion",
> "Vietnam War", "US military casualties", "Aboriginal flag", "Nelson
> Mandela" and "Mark Latham". -
> “If you look at the top websites that Australians visited just lastSee also:
> week, Michael Moore was the number one, you know, global site that
> they went to. The second one was the /Green Left Weekly/ which has a
> huge proportion of 18- to 24-year-olds.” - Tessa Court, from the web
> monitoring company Hitwise.
ABC Media Report with Mick O'Regan, "A Young Person's Media Guide to