9064Re: Discussion and left regroupment
- Sep 12, 2004--- In GreenLeft_discussion@yahoogroups.com, "ozleft" <ozleft@y...> wrote:
> Peter Boyle, Duncan Meerding, Norm, Simon B2, Paul Benedek, lies andBob,
> By Bob Gould
> Boyle abusively asserts that no-one should take seriously the
> perspectives I advance, and then a day or so later Norm Dixon
> provocatively demands that we collectively or individually on Ozleft
> spell out whatever perspectives we may have, once again.
What is so provocative about asking you and your loose circle of
critics to show the 1000 or so SA members what your alternative
strategy of concentrating activity inside the ALP and Greens has to
show for it in terms of strengthening the socialist movement.
It is not a question of ``number-crunching'' or entryism, but simple a
question of effectiveness. Where should the efforts of our limited
number of activists be put and how should they be organised. You have
to prove to us that abandoning the Socialist Alliance, or at least
turning it into an ``open-ended'' debating society that does not
challenge the ALP, is going to win more people to understanding the
need that we must organise to overthrow this rotten capitalist system.
The SA can point to many successes: an thriving national organisation
of socialists that now reaches into many rural and regional areas such
as Ballarat, Geelong, Bendigo, Taree, Perth Hills etc. Hundreds of
socialists have become reactivated across the country in one way or
another through SA. SA members have worked closely and even joined key
militant unionists; SA members are leading the anti-war movement and
refugees' rights movement; SA is gaining excellent media coverage
during the election and hundreds or people every week are being
introduced to socialist ideas for the first time.
After decades of activity in the capitalist ALP, what have you got to
show for it? It is a simple question that socialists should be able to
answer. After five or six years inside the Greens, what have your
friends done to advance the cause of socialism?
It seems that Ozleft instead proposes that in practice socialists
hunker down and study Australia's social forces, do not operate openly
outside the ALP or Greens, do not organise as socialists within the
ALP or Greens, or try to advance the conciousness of ALP and Greens
members or voters. Instead, the mantra is that it is ``sectarian'' to
criticise capitalist Labor politicians and or the Greens'
The truth is that many people on this list are angered by the blatent
sectarian fishing operation that you are engaged in. We have
tolerantly provided you with a platform for several years now. You do
not engage in genuine discussion, but attempt to discredit the DSP and
the SA by spreading malicious gossip and false information, mixed up
with wild conspiracy theories.
At least your other Ozleft comrades Ed Lewis and Alexandra are far
more honest. They treat list members with contempt and don't pretend
to be engaged in a dialogue.
The wonderful thing about the internet is that you can go off and
establish a list of your own. Perhaps you should.
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