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8342Re: [GreenLeft_discussion] Re: Liberals as the main enemy

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  • Michael Karadjis
    Aug 12, 2004
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      I'm getting confused here. A member of the Greens writes to warn of the
      dangers of focusing too much fire on the 'liberal' wing of politics, ie the
      ALP, rather than the conservatives, and implies the DSP. A member of the DSP
      gives a concrete example of that, with the disastrous Green policy some
      years ago in Queensland, which ended up faciltaring a National Party
      victory, something the DSP rightly opposed. Another member of the Greens
      then writes and suggests that after distributing preferences to each other,
      Greens and Socialists should "distribute preferences on the basis of their
      politcal principles", ie ALP, Liberal, National etc. Perhaps the best
      suggestion for the original Greens poster would be to join the Socialist
      Alliance, an organisation with a consistent position on preferencing the
      'liberal' side of politics, ie the ALP, ahead of the conservatives.
      MK
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "chen9692000" <s.hopkinson@...>
      To: <GreenLeft_discussion@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 9:45 AM
      Subject: [GreenLeft_discussion] Re: Liberals as the main enemy


      > Hi
      >
      > My reply in BLOCK letters.
      >
      > Shane
      >
      > --- In GreenLeft_discussion@yahoogroups.com, kieran latty
      > <kr_latty2002@y...> wrote:
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      > In Australia, we can make the argument to throw Howard out by voting
      > socialist then ALP. We can clearly target howard as the main enemy.
      >
      > ITS HARDER IN THE US WITHOUT PREFERENCIAL VOTING BUT THE PRINCIPLE IS
      > THE SAME - WE NEED A POLITICAL ALTERNATIVE TO CAPITAL. CAPITALISTS ARE
      > THE MAIN ENEMY AND HOWARD IS THEIR PREFERRED FRONT MAN. THE REASON WE
      > MIGHT TARGET HOWARD AS THE MAIN ENEMY IS THAT THAT REFLECTS THE
      > CONSCIOUSNESS OF MOST PROGRESSIVE PEOPLE.
      >
      > WHERE DO THE GREENS FIT HERE?
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      > > In Australia, we unconditionally support an ALP victory, in the US,
      > we need to say that in concrete terms there is no difference, but we
      > want Bush out because it would be seen as a vindication of his
      > policies if he was re-elected.
      >
      > I THINK WE CAN RECOGNISE THAT A WIN FOR THE ALP IS BETTER FOR WORKING
      > PEOPLE (AND THIS IS REFLECTED IN THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE ALP OVER LIBS
      > BUT "UNCONDITIONALLY" I DON'T THINK SO.
      >
      > > In Australia, we must say- Howard out , vote socialist,
      >
      > IN AUST WE SAY VOTE SOCIALIST AND GREEN AND DISTRIBUTE PREFERENCES ON
      > THE BASIS OF YOUR POLITICAL PRINCIPLES.
      >
      >
      > sHANE
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