8313Re: Liberals as the main enemy
- Aug 11, 2004--- In GreenLeft_discussion@yahoogroups.com, kieran latty
> In the US, I still think Bush is the main enemy, but it must be saidthat building a real alternative is more important than getting the
democrats in- so the argument against lesser evilism needs to be
pushed much stronger. In Aus there is no such counterposition.
>without the same connections to the labour movement as the ALP does,
> Furthermore, because the democrats are a fully capitalist party,
we cant pose the question in the same way.
I think that a lot of this is ideological baggage inherited from the
British Trotskyist movement which has tended to ideologically
embellish tactical decisions, by most if not all its subfactions, to
work within the Labour party for long periods at some time or another.
They all confused themselves with the term "bourgeois-workers party"
and abandoned the much clearer thinking on these parties that Lenin,
Trotsky and other Bolshevik leaders had. They saw the social
democratic parties as bourgeois parties with an institutional hold
over the working class (that was ALL that they meant by the
"-worker"). Trotsky held to this positions to his death and if
anything subsequent history of the social democratic parties has
reinforced the strength of their analysis.
>we need to say that in concrete terms there is no difference, but we
> In Australia, we unconditionally support an ALP victory, in the US,
want Bush out because it would be seen as a vindication of his
policies if he was re-elected.
>The main reason I would support the election of an ALP government is
so that the process of further breaking working class illusions in the
ALP can proceed. It is true that many trade unionists, including many
militant trade union leaders, hope that an ALP victory will be better
for the union movement. But whether that (indcreasingly desperate)
hope will be vindicated is another matter. Remember what happened with
the Accord? Did the ALP's institutional links with the trade union
movement help or hinder the militant BLF?
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