42632Re: Bastard Boys and dialectics
- May 18, 2007Dialectically speaking, Norm was asked the wrong question.
There is a more subtle and perhaps a more dialectically correct
argument. Socialists are here to advance socialism. Defeating the
Howard Government is one part of that. Thus if the aim is simply to
get rid of the Howard government then voting Labor is clearly the
most obvious way of doing it, but if the aim is to advance socialism
then there is little benefit in replacing the Howard government with
a Labor clone. That would seem to suggest that socialists should do
more to support a genuinely socialist Labor party than they would to
support a reformist Labor government; less still to support a
reactionary Labor party.
--- In GreenLeft_discussion@yahoogroups.com, "Rohan Pearce"
> On 5/18/07, rolandsrudebox <rolandsrudebox@...> wrote:
> > A simple question Norm. Are you for the defeat of the Howard
> > government or not? Do you think workers would be better off
> > under "Workchoices Lite" (as the new DSP slander goes) or
> > the "Workchoices Plus" (or Gold) as the Howard government will
> > introduce in his next term?
> > Judging by the responses, you and your Strasserite organisation
> > certainly do not.
> > Roland
> I think it's abundantly clear that we're for the defeat of Howard.
> surely the fact that we've described it as ``Work Choices Lite''would
> indicate that we think it's better than Work Choices. But the realIsn't
> question is, do you think that Labor's IR policy is a good one?
> it true that it retains aspects of the Howard government's IRwould
> legislation? If you were writing Labor's policy, is it what you
> have come up with? Or do you think there are some serious problemsthe
> with it? And in that case do you think it's better to explain what
> problems are with Rudd's policy or should we just hush them up andwith
> pretend they don't exist? You don't make it clear whether you think
> that there is a problem with our analysis of Rudd's IR policy or
> our criticism of it.
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