34475Re: ALP's Tree of Knowledge officially dead
- Oct 7, 2006Norm, Bob
Like (probably) lots of other people on the list I am glad to notice
that the tone of this thread has improved no end. I have not felt the
need to particpate then and I still don't although I enjoy reading
I do, however think that you clutching at straws with your arguement
here. It may indeed by the case that a scientific survey will show a
greater degree of cynicism of the ALP that that postulated by Bob
Gould. (It amy also a greater degree of support for that party than
suggested by way.)We don't know that but that is not really the point.
It is hardly meaningful to make an argument on the basis of people
who are self-selecting themselves precisely on the basis of a great
degree of agreement with your position. It is as meaningful as
working out the Australian political situation by those who choose to
read Murdoch Australian or those who get their information from
Andrew Bolt's blog. I am sure you have better arguments than this.
--- In GreenLeft_discussion@yahoogroups.com, "glparramatta"
> If you want a gauge of what the ``rank and file'' Labor
> supporter/voter/member really thinks about ``their'' party, you need
> only stand around on a street corner for any length of time waving a
> copy of Green Left Weekly in the air, as I do for three hours every
> Saturday. I know Bob Gould and some others won't believe it, but the
> criticisms of Beazley, Iemma et al.'s ``me-tooism'' that comes
> unsolicited and often from buyers and others who stop certainly
> disprove the idea that somehow the analysis that GLW and the
> propaganda of Socialist Alliance alienates these people is not true.
> Just having come back from my 13-an-hour sales spot (this week in
> ``leafy'' Leura, but my excuse is that there is a big street fair
> there and its a two-week issue) and as always many buyers and those
> who stop to chat, probably a third of them, after bagging Howard,
> directly say something along the lines of ``but Beazley's not much
> better'' or ``Labor isn't prepared to say what needs to be said''.
> None of my ``wild'', ``sectarian'' and ``mad'' ravings put them off,
> in fact I have try to rein them in!
> Also if you want to get an idea of what some ALP members/supporters
> are saying, just go over to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alp/
> --- In GreenLeft_discussion@yahoogroups.com, "dave_r_riley"
> <ratbagradio@> wrote:
> > Aside from the fact that I hold no leadership role at any level
> > DSP...I nonetheless find my "incoherent anecdote" fascinating asit
> > indicates the shift that has occurred in the last century withinthe
> > ALP as such activity is a stark index of modern times -- timesthat
> > the ALP was crucial in fostering into being -- primarily throughthe
> > Hawke /Keating government but also through the near monopoly theALP
> > has had over the states.hyphen
> > On this issue Bob's getting quite paranoid as any adjective or
> > is thought to indicate massive petulant disdain for the rank andtemerity
> > file of the ALP. The game is that the only ones who have the
> > to criticize Labor are dedicated sectarians such as I. So all Bobdoes
> > is cry: foul! --as though some one elected him as the umpire forthe
> > whole Australian left.
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