25345[GreenLeft_discussion] Re: the left in the Labor Party
- Jan 16 6:04 PMA brief comment in reply to Ed lewis, I've got a couple on the ALP to
make later. Ed, without very little evidence, made some claims about
SA being a "dead duck".
>two layers of independent leaders of the Socialist Alliance haveRather gruesome (and mixed) metaphor there Ed, for a rather more
>been put through the DSP mincer and tossed away
prosaic reality. Also fits rather well into my previous points about
the penchant of some people for "proving" bureaucratic behaviour by
using hyper-dramatic language. At the last SA conference a grand
total of 3 people, who were, indeed, part of initiating the
'Non-Aligned Caucus' in SA in 2003, didn't get re-elected to a
smaller national executive. I've no idea what the other "layer" is.
>Most of the Socialist Alliance branches don't meet,And how do you know this Ed? The truth is that while some of the
branches in Sydney and Melbourne haven't apparently met for some
months, other branches in those cities and all those nearly
everywhere else have continued to meet regularly, generally monthly.
SA branches are fairly loose and autonomous, and go up and down with
the movement and other factors, maybe like the Greens. In my area,
which one would think, given its history of environmental activism
(including forest blockades being invented here), and its Greens vote
of around 10%, would be a centre of Greens activity, the Greens don't
seem to have met since 2004, and certainly have had no public profile
since the last federal election, at all. I write this not to "bash
the Greens" and start any more pissing competitions, but as a real
>and the"Probably", Ed? How very objectively scientific of you, you wouldn't
>organisation is probably half the size, at best, that it was when it
want to be making definitive claims without any evidence at all,
would you? Actually in terms on financial members, SA is about double
the size of when it first started, that is when 8 socialist groups
with about 5-600 members combined agreed to form it. As I've stated
before, the minutes of the last 2 SA conference state financial
membership was 1070 in mid 2004 and 1150 in mid 2005. Unless Ed has
some evidence that this has "probably" dropped to 600 or less since,
I'm not inclined to believe him.
There were, at some point, claims of 2000 members, but as far as I'm
aware actual financial has not been higher than 1150.
SA is very far from the party needed and has some real problems, but
that's no reason to make exaggerated claims about ita death.
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