19669IR campaign debates (was Re: What Bob Gould fails to mention)
- Jul 6, 2005
>> --- In GreenLeft_discussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Lewis"Just a quick comment while I am on my lunch break. I think what Ed's
> > Are you telling me there's argy bargy at Unions NSW, Nick, and
> > were different opinions on how to organise the protests, whether
> > there should be stopworks, etc? And here I was thinking Labour
> > Council heavies sat around holding hands and sipping cups of
> > herbal tea.<snip>
pointing to here is important - that mass workers organisations are
complex and how small groups of activists relate to them is often too
simplistic. That said
--- In GreenLeft_discussion@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Boyle"
>- Unions NSW's Workers Online editorialand commenting that the Unions NSW campaign is "extremely
conservative and defeatist".
This seems much in tune with the Bill Shorten comments I quoted
earlier that this is an "800 day campaign" to the next election. The
union commentators seem cautious but Peter suggests there is a broad
sentiment for "mass industrial action". Apart from the casual
comments that Kim and others overheard at these meetings:
How do we know that this sentiment is so broad? What framework can be
used to give it expression?
Even if some workers are keen to flex their muscles at this early
stage would this be a useful move in stopping the new IR reforms?
Even at their best UnionsNSW would only be able to mobilise what 1/3
of workers (I assume union coverage is about that level) so there's a
lot of variables to think about if one is conducting a real
industrial campaign. Don't get me wrong obviously the voices we are
hearing are more conservative but what exactly are militant voice in
Union NSW saying? I understand that the Victorian unions are more
militant but they are not advocating mass industrial action at this
stage are they?
> Now the Workers Online editorial tells us that further massActually what he said was that such protests bring "diminishing
> industrial/political action will bring diminishing...
returns" which may well be the case depending on the real mood of the
PS I have taken Mike Berrell's posts about Beasley vs Latham under
advisance. Will respond when I have looked at it some more
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