16772RE: [GreenLeft_discussion] Re: `Left-wing' Laurie Ferguson's betrayal of Nauru detainees
- Apr 21, 2005
Bob Gould u may have a point. and although it's probably highly hypocritical coming form me as those of u who have read my postings would be aware, but gramma is an issue here. SAM???? PHAM! p h not s. my typing is often filled iwht errors but i at least have the courtesy to get names correct.
>From: "bobgould987" <bobgould987@...>>Reply-To: GreenLeft_discussion@yahoogroups.com>To: GreenLeft_discussion@yahoogroups.com>Subject: [GreenLeft_discussion] Re: `Left-wing' Laurie Ferguson's betrayal of Nauru detainees>Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 01:26:30 -0000>>>By Bob Gould>>Firstly, responding to Norm Dixon. You're being a bit cute, Norm. You>well know, or you should well know, that I and a number of associates>have been vigorously engaged in campaigning in the Labor Party against>Laurie Ferguson's views on asylum seekers, and for the program of>Labor for Refugees.>>One close associate of mine has been conducting a veritable war in>cyberspace with Ferguson on these matters, and Labor for Refugees>supporters all over the country have been joining in this political>argument, which is ongoing.>>At a recent meeting addressed by Ferguson, John Robertson (NSW Labour>Council) and a woman from the Refugee Council, Ferguson was bombarded>from the floor by the 50 or so Labor Party members present, and by the>other two platform speakers, for his views.>>In the course of this discussion I described Ferguson, who I've known>personally for a very long time, as a grumpy curmudgeon and I made the>point that his views were inappropriate for the postion in shadow>cabinet that he holds. There was quite a bit of laughter at my>description of him as a grumpy curmudgeon.>>I don't intend to ask Ferguson to airbrush me out of his campaign>newsletter. Given the Stalinist experience, I'm strongly opposed to>airbrushing anyone out of anything. History is whole cloth, as Marx>used to say.>>It's a two-edged sword anyway, for Ferguson to use a picture in which>I'm present. I'm very well known in the labour movement for sharp>opposition to many of Ferguson's views, particularly his views on>asylum seekers.>>Secondly, on the curious, chronic exchange between Sam Minh and Louis>R. Godena, I believe that Margaret A, the moderator, has adopted the>correct approach in the difficult circumstances of the list being>bombarded by a couple of cyber-entity trolls, ostensibly in conflict>with each other.>>Sam Minh is quite clearly a constructed cyber-entity, a fluid>right-winger who chooses to adopt a Vietnamese persona. It's also>becoming pretty clear that Louis R. Godena is also a fluid>cyber-entity, who chooses to adopt a brutal caricature "Marxist">Sendero Luminoso persona.>>The real clue here that Godena is a carefully crafted cyber-construct>is the vicious way he caricatures Marxist ideas, those of Lenin in>particular, and the way he picks up on the conflicts on political>questions between myself and the DSP leadership, and kicks my head>whenever he can.>>Who knows? The cyber-entities Sam Minh and Louis Godena may even be>the same person having a bit of a lend of us all.>>There's not much anyone can do about that, let's see how this little>cyberspace funkenspeil plays out.>>>>
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