10075Re: [GreenLeft_discussion] Re: An open letter to ALP members on Senate preferences
- Oct 18, 2004with all the bickering and big egos its any wonder that the socialist
left cant get above 2% of the vote its about time people grew up and
> A short answer to Norm, pending a longer one later
> By Bob Gould
> The situation from a socialist point of view ebbs and flows in the
> Labor Party. My polemical material on the Green Left list and
> elsewhere hasn't been directed mainly at what socialists should do in
> the ALP or the Greens. It has been directed mainly against a mindless
> exposure strategy towards the ALP and the Greens, adopted particularly
> by the DSP and the SEP, and especially towards leftists who continue
> in the ALP.
> As Norm points out, I am indeed an individual with a few associates,
> but I have been around labour movement politics for a very long time,
> I know a large number of people, and I have a loud voice.
> It's rather early days yet to talk about rebuilding a serious
> socialist grouping in the Labor Party. I have chosen to adopt the
> medium of open letters taking up arguments on key political questions,
> which isn't a bad way to proceed in the current circumstances. I
> distribute these letters very widely in ALP circles and on the web.
> The most relevant of these letters to this discussion are my comment
> on the NSW local government elections
> http://members.optushome.com.au/spainter/Greensletter.html two items
> in advance of the federal elections, commenting on a socialist
> approach to those elections, including preference policy,
> http://members.optushome.com.au/spainter/Militant.html and
> http://members.optushome.com.au/spainter/Electoral.html and going back
> a bit further, a description of one sort of thing I do in the Labor
> Party when there's an opportunity
> I'm open to advice as to what socialists should do in the Labor Party,
> and I'm interested that Norm now concedes that the Labor Party is a
> reasonable place to engage in socialist activity.
> On the basis of past experience of the DSP, which captured the 1971
> Socialist Left in NSW and then acquiesced in its liquidation, and
> which had some influence in a small publication called Labor Militant,
> with which myself and some associates formed a cautious united front
> in the mid-1980s, it's not my understanding that the DSP has
> historically been very patient in Labor Party work. Of course things
> can change, but a good start for the DSP would be to stop abusing
> leftist ALP members for the very act of being in the ALP.
> In relation to the Greens, socialists I know who are active in the
> Greens are cautious in their activities. They have the awful skeletons
> lying in front of them of the DSP's clamourous and disastrous
> activities in the Nuclear Disarmament Party, and in the formative
> stages of the Greens, particularly in NSW.
> In both instances, the DSP took what were incipient mass movements and
> attempted to take total organisational control of them at a very early
> stage, with a big clamour about democracy, with disastrous results.
> With those experiences in front of them and behind them, it's my
> impression that socialists in the Greens are justifiably fairly
> cautious in how they proceed.
> Obviously, all these questions are up for sensible discussion, and
> that discussion should proceed without too much rancour.
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