polluted food; 911 oblivion
polluted food; 911 oblivionHi HMG,Thanks for your comments. It arrived as I was listening to the LDS Gen. Conference broadcast.I'm not listening to be instructed, but more to check in on the pulse of Mormonism.As soon as the talks begin, my spirit revolts. It's still the same ol' same ol'.The tables being filled with vomit and excrement, in my opinion, is not just a statement of the non-nutritional value, but is a metaphor to say that it is the same thing regurgitated over and over. Nothing new.The new general authorities only repeat what the old ones have said, with their new twists; but the substance is the same -- regurgitation.One steeped in Mormonism learns how to go to General Conference and bask in what is being said, as if it is being said for the first time. They walk away as if edified, and rave about how good it was.This conference has everyone so excited to find out who the new member of the First Presidency will be, and who will come into the Quorum of 12, if the FP selection isn't from outside the existing body. This is sheer excitement. I agree that it does have a curiosity factor, but I find it quite telling that this is about as exciting as things get.When asked about modern revelation, members point to the "Proclamation on the Family", which many frame and hang in their homes. I've even seen it framed in public buildings in Utah.That's not revelation of something new, its a fairly good statement of belief that has been held for centuries by Christians.Meanwhile, the nation is headed by a man who is part of a Neocon cabal who propagated the atrocities on their own people on 9/11, and the atrocities continue. Each minute, the country spends $500,000 on a war over oil. And so forth, yet Utah's approval of President Bush is ahead of most any other state in the nation. Draconian laws are being put in place that limit our freedoms more and more, bringing about an Orwellian Police state. Why? Because the sleeping shepherds who the people look to for guidance say nothing about this subject that would shed any light on the perfidy.The Saints were supposed to establish a world government of God that would protect the freedom of all mankind (including the right to believe as one will, and to pursue one's dream as long as it doesn't impinge on the freedom of others), but instead they are part of supporting the establishment of the reign of the beast by not speaking against it, giving the impression that they don't have any problem with it, and hence implying their support of the Beast.The Mormons are rejecting the political component of God as clearly as the Jews of old rejected the gospel component of God.The salt has lost its savor and is good for nothing but to be trodden under feet of men -- which is what will surely happen if things continue as they are.Sterling----- Original Message -----From: homemadegalSent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 9:41 AMSubject: [GT_Isaiah] polluted food
This forum seems to be little past dead, so I will breathe a little
breath into it.
I've been thinking about how the members of the church seem to be a
little better than the world, but not much. Many have adopted many of
the dress standards, mannerisms, desires for the things of Babylon,
the education of Babylon so that they generally are not a whole lot
different than society around them. Not so as to stand out too much,
The leader of the church has stressed the church becoming a mainstream
church. I'm not sure what he means by "mainstream" , but it seems to me
that he is wanting the church to fit in with the world. Whatever
happened to being a peculiar people--a people who stand out from the
world because they are morally different?
One of our daughters had been homeschooled for the past 9 years and
desired to go back to public school. She was tired of not having
friends and tired of the sameness of learning on her own. She wanted
to be in cross country running and join band and to see what it was
like at a government high school. Because her mind was so set on it,
we let her enroll.
People have rationalized that it is a good thing for good kids to
associate with those that are not so good, so that the good kids can
bring the bad kids up to a higher level. What those people don't
realize is that it is as the Lord has said, "bad character corrupt
good company." It's not usually the other way around. A person tends
to want to fit in with those they are with. That is one reason we
didn't want her back there. It takes a strong person to resist peer
Our daughter has noticed that most of the kids at the school--most,
but not all; there are still a few good kids who are strong--have the
same dress standards as the world. They talk like those they see in
the R rated movies they like to watch. They don't go to school to
learn. They go to have a social life.They are generally loud,
boistrous, and disrespectful of the teachers.
Our daughter went there with enthusiasm for learning and a desire to
round out her home school education with exposure to more instruction
than she had been given at home. She found, though, that many of the
teachers don't like to teach. They either sit in their office most of
the class time, or they come to class late, or they don't show up at
all, or they just put in a movie for the class to watch. She overheard
one of her teachers complaining to another teacher that " I just can't
teach; hese kids just don't want to learn." And yet he didn't even
try. The teachers who are enthused about the subjects they teach are
few in number.
Another homeschooled daughter has found the same things going on in
her classes. The kids don't want to learn, and the teachers don't want
to teach. Both of my kids are working hard. But basically they are
stuldying on their own, just as if they had stayed at home and done as
they were already doing. And in some classes, because most of the kids
don't know even the basics, the classes have been dummed down, so
those who are advanced are bored.
The rising generation has grown up with an I don't care attitude
toward learning. They have been burned out by years of school, stating
at age three when they were put in pre-school. After that came
Headstart. After that came kindergarten. And after first grade their
enthusiasm for learning had dried up. Creativity was squelched, in the
system's zeal of stuffing facts into little heads.
Our two kids who went to public school to learn are finding that
little learning takes place. It's all about memorizing facts to
regurgitate on tests, which facts are usually quickly forgotten
because the students interest in them was not ignited, or they did not
have a desire to learn them in the first place because they did not
see an application for them;there was no nail to attached the learning to.
It's all a bunch of fill- in- the- blank handouts and tests, because
that is easier method than a teacher having to prepare lessons plans
every night and then lecture seven different classes throughout the
day. In a way, there is something to the old fashioned one-room
Where are the role models, the heroes, teachers who are excited about
the subjects they teach and who inspire the learners to higher levels?
Because the teachers are not excited about their subjects, and they
don't dare discipline the rowdy kids, they are stopped in being able
to deliver anything they have prepared, if they even prepared.
Many of the students have an attitude that they are so special they
can do what they want, so order breaks down.
The Federal standards of education have been dumbed down so far that
our daughters who were taught at home all their lives have found that
they are way ahead when they go back there--ahead morally and in being
able to apply themselves to study.
They had expected they would receive much more and they are receiving
much less, particularly in the area of a good, moral environment. The
environmnet is just not what God's children should be in. Because
education has separated God from all learning, the young people are
learning secular knowledge without a proper religious worldview. Many
kids, today, are becoming educated barbarians, as one great person
said would be the case if God were ever removed from education.
What does this have to do with the study of Isaiah?
Well, as far as I've determined in the case of our children going back
to public school, all tables there are full of vomit and excrement, as
Isaiah described of the religious learning of God's people in the last
days. His words generally apply to the religious education of God's
people, but I see them as applying to secular learning, as well.
Our children are not only being polluted by peers who have low morals,
and by the government mandated curriculum sources, but by teachers
who also have lower morals because they were also taught in the same
environments and because their religious education is lacking.
My daughter who decided to finish her last year at the high school
has found that some teachers' morals are little better than most of
the kids; the teachers tell off-colored jokes and comments and
generally are just not up to what she expected of teachers, morally.
She has been disapoointed in classes where the students are relieved
when the teacher puts in a movie, leaves the class, or sits in her
office all during class and leaves the students up to their own
devices. Our daughter says the kids just don't go there to learn. They
just want to play.
And we live in a predominanatly LDS community and all our local school
teachers are members of the church who should be setting a better
standard for the students.
Isaiah speaks of religious leaders giving their followers polluted
food, which food is metaphorically spiritual education. Or, as Giledai
translates, they are giving food contaminated with excrement--totally
Many of our government schools, especially in Utah, are taught by
local people who are also religious leaders and teachers. I see
Isaiah's prophecy as not only having application to religious leaders
at church, but religious leaders in the education field--middle and
high school on up to the universities.
These leaders have been given religious and secular education in the
same manner as they then teach others. Thus, everyone is dying of
spiritual malnutrition. Indeed, there is a famine in the land for
hearing the word of the Lord. Not only it this hearing something done
on the part of the listener, but the hearing is not taking place
because God's word not even there for the people to listen to
Paul lamented that when God's people ought to be teachers, "ye have
need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the
oracles of God; and are become as such as have need of milk, and not
of strong meat." Hebrews 5:12
"Babes", or those teachers who are unlearned in the word of God, are
teaching our children.
This links to Isaiah's cry of who can God teach and give revelation?
"Weanlings weaned from milk, those just taken from the breast?" Isa 28:9
The church teaches that God wants to teach us line upon line, line
upon line, precept upon precept, precept upon precept.
God is really saying that He desires to teach his people more. They
have not learned to live more than the basics so they don't desire
more. They are content with the over and over and over learning of the
same things instead of moving on "to the high calling in Christ Jesus".
The teachers, who have not learned as they ought are teaching others
in the same fashion and so each generation gets dumbed down more and more.
Indeed we are as in the days of Nephi when he lamented:
" Wo be unto him that shall say: We have received the word of God and
we need no more of the word of God, for we have enough!" 2 Ne 28:29
The church leader even said as much in a public interview on TV when
he was asked about revelation and he replied that we didn't need more
revelaton: "We already have a great body of revelaition given to us by
Because people believe they have the truth, they desire no more truth.
They are afraid of more. They are like the pharisees and sadducees of
Jesus day whom he described as not going through the gate into the
kingdom and they don't allow others to go in, either.
When God said,in other scripture passages, that He would deliver line
upon line and precept upon precept, here a little and there a little,
He also qualified those statements with "holding forth that which is
to come, confirming our hope." D&C 128:21
In other words, He does teach line upon line, but that is so that His
people will learn and grow and then arrive at the point where He can
give them direct revelation.
If the Lord's people accept and live the precepts He has given, He has
promised more. But if they reject His precepts and cease living them
as they ought, He withholds more, until they are eventaully left
without revelation. Just as Isaiah describes of his latter-day
prophets and leaders who would be blind and have their heads covered.
When one believes they have all they need, and desire no more, they
then receive less and less.
They don't understand Pauls' words which state that once we have
learned the beginning milk of the gospel we are to leave off learning
those things over and over and progress on to higher things.
But, as I see it, in the secular education of our children, as well as
the religious, the Lord's people are standing still, or going
backward, since they no longer receive revelation. Eventually, unless
there is mass repentance, it will be as Isaiah says, the Lord will
have to teach His people in a language they will listen to when He
speaks to them by speech which is "incomprehensible" , when the
Assyrians are allowed to invade to humble the people.