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  • multiracialbookclub
    Agreed! In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com, john wrote: Colored or coloured covers all mixed types. multiracialbookclub
    Message 1 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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      Agreed!

      In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
      john <reddgold_32@y...> wrote:

      Colored or coloured covers all mixed types.

      multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

      **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

      "A person of a racial group
      that is not regarded as 'white'.

      A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

      Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

      **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

      (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
      people / "multi"-racial)

      a) Classification
      b) Mixture
      c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

      --"Mango"
      --Sambo and Black
      --7/8 full-"black" blood

      -- "Zambo"
      --Mulatto and Black
      --3/4 full-"black" blood

      -- "Cascos"
      --Mulatto and Mulatto
      --1/2 full-"black" blood

      -- "Mulatto"
      --Black and White
      --1/2 "full-"black" blood

      -- "Quadroon"
      --Mulatto and White
      --1/4 full-"black" blood

      -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
      --Quadroon and White
      --1/8 full-"black" blood

      -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
      --Octoroon / Mustee and White
      --1/16 full-"black" blood

      -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
      --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
      --1/32 full-"black" blood

      SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

      **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

      --"Negro"
      --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
      --Full=64/64 + 64/64
      [Full=a minimum of six (6) generations
      with no `other' racial admixture]

      --"White"
      --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
      --Full=64/64 + 64/64
      [Full=a minimum of six (6) generations
      with no `other' racial admixture]

      **QUOTE: **

      "[The group commonly referred to as]
      "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
      percent of White admixture" in their genes"

      http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html
      http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-6864586-
      0680739?v=glance
      http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-
      description/0520228731/ref=dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
      5Fencoding=UTF8&n=283155

      'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
      admixture found within this group should also
      always be taken note of and remembered.'

      www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html
      http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
      http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
      http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
      board=physanth&action=display&num=1087461625
      http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html
    • sudoangel2000
      I know that you posted these articles for informational reasons but here I have to go against the grain. I find that the multitude of names created for mixed
      Message 2 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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        I know that you posted these articles for informational reasons
        but here I have to go against the grain. I find that the
        multitude of names created for mixed race people unflattering.

        The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

        "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it derives from the
        Spanish word Mula, mule; literally the sterile hybrid offspring
        resulting from the crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
        Another possible origin is in the Arabic word Mwallad."

        Source:

        http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

        Is not something I think people would want to call
        themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

        If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
        with a person that has some degree of African (black)
        blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

        These definitions do not take into consideration, and I'm glad they
        don't, the multitude of mixed lineage outside these guidelines.

        I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

        Also, those who have study art know that white and black are
        hues when mixed with other "colors" creates a new color.
        That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
        how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

        --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
        "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

        **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

        "A person of a racial group
        that is not regarded as 'white'.

        A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

        Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

        **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

        (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
        people / "multi"-racial)

        a) Classification
        b) Mixture
        c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

        --"Mango"
        --Zambo and Black
        --7/8 full-"black" blood

        -- "Zambo"
        --Mulatto and Black
        --3/4 full-"black" blood

        -- "Cascos"
        --Mulatto and Mulatto
        --1/2 full-"black" blood

        -- "Mulatto"
        --Black and White
        --1/2 "full-"black" blood

        -- "Quadroon"
        --Mulatto and White
        --1/4 full-"black" blood

        -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
        --Quadroon and White
        --1/8 full-"black" blood

        -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
        --Octoroon / Mustee and White
        --1/16 full-"black" blood

        -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
        --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
        --1/32 full-"black" blood

        SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

        **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

        --"Negro"
        --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
        --Full=64/64 + 64/64
        [Full=a minimum of six (6) generations
        with no `other' racial admixture]

        --"White"
        --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
        --Full=64/64 + 64/64
        [Full=a minimum of six (6) generations
        with no `other' racial admixture]

        **QUOTE: **

        "[The group commonly referred to as]
        "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
        percent of White admixture" in their genes"

        http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html
        http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
        6864586-
        0680739?v=glance
        http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-
        description/0520228731/ref=dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
        5Fencoding=UTF8&n=283155

        'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
        admixture found within this group should also
        always be taken note of and remembered.'

        www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html
        http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
        http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
        http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
        board=physanth&action=display&num=1087461625
        http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html
      • multiracialbookclub
        Hi, Actually ... I don t think the expression that you have given in regards to your opinion on this topic is going against the grain at all – and I m
        Message 3 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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          Hi,

          Actually ... I don't think the expression that you have given
          in regards to your opinion on this topic is "going against the
          grain" at all – and I'm really glad that you shared it (as, one
          of the reasons I posted the data was to get member feedback.)

          In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has been
          as much a topic of discussion among those of us
          who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
          and cultural groups found around the world.

          Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
          that most of these terms are both outmoded and
          have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
          generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
          if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
          I may (or may not) break things down for them.

          What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
          Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
          coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
          in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
          pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

          :D

          In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
          "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

          I know that you posted these articles for informational
          reasons but here I have to go against the grain.
          I find that the multitude of names
          created for mixed race people unflattering.

          The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

          "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it derives from the
          Spanish word Mula, mule; literally the sterile hybrid offspring
          resulting from the crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
          Another possible origin is in the Arabic word Mwallad."

          Source:

          http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

          Is not something I think people would want to call
          themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

          If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
          with a person that has some degree of African (black)
          blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

          These definitions do not take into consideration, and I'm glad they
          don't, the multitude of mixed lineage outside these guidelines.

          I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

          Also, those who have study art know that white and black are
          hues when mixed with other "colors" creates a new color.
          That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
          how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

          --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
          "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

          **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

          "A person of a racial group
          that is not regarded as 'white'.

          A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

          Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

          **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

          (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
          people / "multi"-racial)

          a) Classification
          b) Mixture
          c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

          --"Mango"
          --Zambo and Black
          --7/8 full-"black" blood

          -- "Zambo"
          --Mulatto and Black
          --3/4 full-"black" blood

          -- "Cascos"
          --Mulatto and Mulatto
          --1/2 full-"black" blood

          -- "Mulatto"
          --Black and White
          --1/2 "full-"black" blood

          -- "Quadroon"
          --Mulatto and White
          --1/4 full-"black" blood

          -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
          --Quadroon and White
          --1/8 full-"black" blood

          -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
          --Octoroon / Mustee and White
          --1/16 full-"black" blood

          -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
          --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
          --1/32 full-"black" blood

          SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

          **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

          --"Negro"
          --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
          --Full=d/64 + 64/64
          [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
          with no `other' racial admixture]

          --"White"
          --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
          --Full=d/64 + 64/64
          [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
          with no `other' racial admixture]

          **QUOTE: **

          "[The group commonly referred to as]
          "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
          percent of White admixture" in their genes"

          http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html
          http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
          6864586-
          0680739?v==glance
          http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-
          description/0520228731/ref==dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
          5Fencoding==UTF8&n=(3155

          'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
          admixture found within this group should also
          always be taken note of and remembered.'

          www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html
          http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
          http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
          http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
          board==physanth&action==display&num=87461625
          http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html
        • multiracialbookclub
          Links to some related resources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terms_for_multiraciality http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiracial In
          Message 4 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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            Links to some related resources:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terms_for_multiraciality
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiracial

            In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
            "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

            Hi,

            Actually ... I don't think the expression that you have given
            in regards to your opinion on this topic is "going against the
            grain" at all – and I'm really glad that you shared it (as, one
            of the reasons I posted the data was to get member feedback.)

            In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has been
            as much a topic of discussion among those of us
            who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
            and cultural groups found around the world.

            Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
            that most of these terms are both outmoded and
            have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
            generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
            if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
            I may (or may not) break things down for them.

            What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
            Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
            coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
            in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
            pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

            :D

            In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
            "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

            I know that you posted these articles for informational
            reasons but here I have to go against the grain.
            I find that the multitude of names
            created for mixed race people unflattering.

            The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

            "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it derives from the
            Spanish word Mula, mule; literally the sterile hybrid offspring
            resulting from the crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
            Another possible origin is in the Arabic word Mwallad."

            Source:

            http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

            Is not something I think people would want to call
            themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

            If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
            with a person that has some degree of African (black)
            blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

            These definitions do not take into consideration, and I'm glad they
            don't, the multitude of mixed lineage outside these guidelines.

            I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

            Also, those who have study art know that white and black are
            hues when mixed with other "colors" creates a new color.
            That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
            how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

            --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
            "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

            **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

            "A person of a racial group
            that is not regarded as 'white'.

            A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

            Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

            **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

            (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
            people / "multi"-racial)

            a) Classification
            b) Mixture
            c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

            --"Mango"
            --Zambo and Black
            --7/8 full-"black" blood

            -- "Zambo"
            --Mulatto and Black
            --3/4 full-"black" blood

            -- "Cascos"
            --Mulatto and Mulatto
            --1/2 full-"black" blood

            -- "Mulatto"
            --Black and White
            --1/2 "full-"black" blood

            -- "Quadroon"
            --Mulatto and White
            --1/4 full-"black" blood

            -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
            --Quadroon and White
            --1/8 full-"black" blood

            -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
            --Octoroon / Mustee and White
            --1/16 full-"black" blood

            -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
            --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
            --1/32 full-"black" blood

            SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

            **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

            --"Negro"
            --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
            --Full=64/64 + 64/64
            [Full=a minimum of six (6) generations
            with no `other' racial admixture]

            --"White"
            --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
            --Full=64/64 + 64/64
            [Full=a minimum of six (6) generations
            with no `other' racial admixture]

            **QUOTE: **

            "[The group commonly referred to as]
            "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
            percent of White admixture" in their genes"

            http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html
            http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
            6864586-
            0680739?v=glance
            http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-
            description/0520228731/ref=dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
            5Fencoding=UTF8&n=283155

            'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
            admixture found within this group should also
            always be taken note of and remembered.'

            www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html
            http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
            http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
            http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
            board=physanth&action=display&num=1087461625
            http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html
          • john
            Yep it covers everything like me,I am a sambo/mango.Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.Those names are outdated to me.Those names such as
            Message 5 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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              Yep it covers everything like me,I am a sambo/mango.Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.Those names are outdated to me.Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife applies to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.When there was a pure black and a pure white.These days there are no pure anything.especially in america.It is a big melting pot.I rather be called coloured because it includes all mixes from mango to octaroon and mustifino.The word coloured are actually ment for people of mixed blood like us.It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.It has a totally different meaning once you leave america.

              multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:
              Hi,

              Actually ... I don't think the expression that you have given
              in regards to your opinion on this topic is "going against the
              grain" at all – and I'm really glad that you shared it (as, one
              of the reasons I posted the data was to get member feedback.)

              In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has been
              as much a topic of discussion among those of us
              who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
              and cultural groups found around the world.

              Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
              that most of these terms are both outmoded and
              have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
              generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
              if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
              I may (or may not) break things down for them.

              What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
              Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
              coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
              in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
              pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

              :D

              In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
              "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

              I know that you posted these articles for informational
              reasons but here I have to go against the grain.
              I find that the multitude of names
              created for mixed race people unflattering.

              The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

              "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it derives from the
              Spanish word Mula, mule; literally the sterile hybrid offspring
              resulting from the crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
              Another possible origin is in the Arabic word Mwallad."

              Source:

              http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

              Is not something I think people would want to call
              themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

              If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
              with a person that has some degree of African (black)
              blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

              These definitions do not take into consideration, and I'm glad they
              don't, the multitude of mixed lineage outside these guidelines.

              I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

              Also, those who have study art know that white and black are
              hues when mixed with other "colors" creates a new color.
              That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
              how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

              --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
              "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

              **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

              "A person of a racial group
              that is not regarded as 'white'.

              A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

              Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

              **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

              (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
              people / "multi"-racial)

              a) Classification
              b) Mixture
              c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

              --"Mango"
              --Zambo and Black
              --7/8 full-"black" blood

              -- "Zambo"
              --Mulatto and Black
              --3/4 full-"black" blood

              -- "Cascos"
              --Mulatto and Mulatto
              --1/2 full-"black" blood

              -- "Mulatto"
              --Black and White
              --1/2 "full-"black" blood

              -- "Quadroon"
              --Mulatto and White
              --1/4 full-"black" blood

              -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
              --Quadroon and White
              --1/8 full-"black" blood

              -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
              --Octoroon / Mustee and White
              --1/16 full-"black" blood

              -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
              --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
              --1/32 full-"black" blood

              SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

              **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

              --"Negro"
              --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
              --Full=d/64 + 64/64
              [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
              with no `other' racial admixture]

              --"White"
              --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
              --Full=d/64 + 64/64
              [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
              with no `other' racial admixture]

              **QUOTE: **

              "[The group commonly referred to as]
              "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
              percent of White admixture" in their genes"

              http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html
              http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
              6864586-
              0680739?v==glance
              http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-
              description/0520228731/ref==dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
              5Fencoding==UTF8&n=(3155

              'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
              admixture found within this group should also
              always be taken note of and remembered.'

              www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html
              http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
              http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
              http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
              board==physanth&action==display&num=87461625
              http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html






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            • j s
              I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie. Though really in my case Melungeon or triracial is probably
              Message 6 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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                I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie.

                Though really in my case Melungeon or
                triracial is probably the most accurate

                --- john <reddgold_32@...> wrote:

                Yep it covers everything
                like me,I am a sambo/mango.
                Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.
                Those names are outdated to me.
                Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife
                applies to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.
                When there was a pure black and a pure white.
                These days there are no pure anything.
                especially in america.
                It is a big melting pot.
                I rather be called coloured because it includes
                all mixes from mango to octaroon and mustifino.
                The word coloured are actually ment
                for people of mixed blood like us.
                It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.
                It has a totally different meaning once you leave america.

                multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                Hi,

                Actually ... I don't think the expression that you
                have given in regards to your opinion on this topic
                is "going against the grain" at all – and I'm really
                glad that you shared it (as, one of the reasons I
                posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has
                been as much a topic of discussion among those of us
                who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                and cultural groups found around the world.

                Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                :D

                In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                I know that you posted these articles for informational
                reasons but here I have to go against the grain.
                I find that the multitude of names
                created for mixed race people unflattering.

                The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it
                derives from the Spanish word Mula, mule; literally
                the sterile hybrid offspring resulting from the
                crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                Another possible origin is in the Arabic word
                Mwallad."

                Source:

                http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                Is not something I think people would want to call
                themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
                with a person that has some degree of African (black)
                blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                These definitions do not take into consideration,
                and I'm glad they don't, the multitude of mixed
                lineage outside these guidelines.

                I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                Also, those who have study art know that white
                and black are hues when mixed with
                other "colors" creates a new color.

                That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                "A person of a racial group
                that is not regarded as 'white'.

                A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                people / "multi"-racial)

                a) Classification
                b) Mixture
                c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                --"Mango"
                --Zambo and Black
                --7/8 full-"black" blood

                -- "Zambo"
                --Mulatto and Black
                --3/4 full-"black" blood

                -- "Cascos"
                --Mulatto and Mulatto
                --1/2 full-"black" blood

                -- "Mulatto"
                --Black and White
                --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                -- "Quadroon"
                --Mulatto and White
                --1/4 full-"black" blood

                -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                --Quadroon and White
                --1/8 full-"black" blood

                -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                --1/16 full-"black" blood

                -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                --1/32 full-"black" blood

                SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                --"Negro"
                --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                with no `other' racial admixture]

                --"White"
                --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                with no `other' racial admixture]

                **QUOTE: **

                "[The group commonly referred to as]
                "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html

                http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
                6864586-
                0680739?v==glance
                http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-

                description/0520228731/ref==dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                5Fencoding==UTF8&n=(3155

                'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                admixture found within this group should also
                always be taken note of and remembered.'

                www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html

                http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
                http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
                http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
                board==physanth&action==display&num= 87461625

                http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html
              • multiracialbookclub
                [John wrote: The word coloured are actually ment for people of mixed blood like us. It doesn t mean black negro like in the usa ] My Reply: Thanks for sharing
                Message 7 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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                  [John wrote:
                  "The word coloured are actually ment
                  for people of mixed blood like us.
                  It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa"]

                  My Reply:

                  Thanks for sharing this comment John.

                  The only thing I wanted to add was that …
                  actually -- in the US, the term "colored"
                  'traditionally' also meant 'mixed-raced'.

                  It was applied to any person or group that was commonly
                  known to or seen as having a racially-admixed lineage.

                  In fact, the largely MGM-Mixed 'ethnic' group currenlty
                  referred to by the misnomered term 'African-American'
                  was previously simply referred to as being "colored" in
                  acknowledgement of their tri-racial ancestral lineage.

                  During the 'black'-power/pan-Africanism
                  "political identification" movement of
                  the 1960's, it became both in vogue
                  (and thus, of course, was also erroneously
                  considered to be quite 'politically correct')
                  to refer to this largely MGM-Mixed 'ethnic' group
                  by a well-noticed term of "political identification"
                  (that was becoming popular among some of it's youth).

                  During this time -- the term "black" (which was simply a
                  slang term for. 'pan-Africanism') – became the `hip' (and
                  erroneous) term to use in reference to `race' for this largely
                  MGM-Mixed 'ethnic' group despite the fact that their actual
                  "racial admixture", was and still is colored" (i.e. "mixed").

                  The United States is so shamefully both ignorant of and yet,
                  somehow, totally infatuated with the racist one-drop rule
                  that, today --- thanks in large part to society insisting
                  on identifying them by an outmoded term of "political
                  identification" from the 1960's (i.e. the term "black") ---
                  that many people are under the false impression that this
                  largely MGM-Mixed `ethnic' group is no longer "colored"
                  (i.e. `multi'-racial) but, instead has somehow magically
                  eradicated +430 years of racially admixed ancestry
                  and in a mere 40 or so years somehow managed
                  to become `mono' racial (i.e. 'black' raced).

                  It's crazy how both politicians and the media are able to
                  manipulate the concept of "political identification" and
                  somehow falsely claim that it means "racial admixture".

                  Thanks again for sharing John. :D

                  In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                  john <reddgold_32@y...> wrote:

                  Yep it covers everything like me,I am a sambo/mango.Now it is
                  rediculous for me to describe myself as such.Those names are outdated
                  to me.Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife applies
                  to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.When there was a
                  pure black and a pure white.These days there are no pure
                  anything.especially in america.It is a big melting pot.I rather be
                  called coloured because it includes all mixes from mango to octaroon
                  and mustifino.The word coloured are actually ment for people of mixed
                  blood like us.It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.It has a
                  totally different meaning once you leave america.

                  multiracialbookclub
                  <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                  Hi,

                  Actually ... I don't think the expression that you have given
                  in regards to your opinion on this topic is "going against the
                  grain" at all – and I'm really glad that you shared it (as, one
                  of the reasons I posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                  In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has been
                  as much a topic of discussion among those of us
                  who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                  and cultural groups found around the world.

                  Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                  that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                  have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                  generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                  if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                  I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                  What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                  Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                  coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                  in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                  pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                  :D

                  In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                  "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                  I know that you posted these articles for informational
                  reasons but here I have to go against the grain.
                  I find that the multitude of names
                  created for mixed race people unflattering.

                  The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                  "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it derives from the
                  Spanish word Mula, mule; literally the sterile hybrid offspring
                  resulting from the crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                  Another possible origin is in the Arabic word Mwallad."

                  Source:

                  http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                  Is not something I think people would want to call
                  themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                  If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
                  with a person that has some degree of African (black)
                  blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                  These definitions do not take into consideration, and I'm glad they
                  don't, the multitude of mixed lineage outside these guidelines.

                  I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                  Also, those who have study art know that white and black are
                  hues when mixed with other "colors" creates a new color.
                  That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                  how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                  --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                  "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                  **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                  "A person of a racial group
                  that is not regarded as 'white'.

                  A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                  Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                  **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                  (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                  people / "multi"-racial)

                  a) Classification
                  b) Mixture
                  c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                  --"Mango"
                  --Zambo and Black
                  --7/8 full-"black" blood

                  -- "Zambo"
                  --Mulatto and Black
                  --3/4 full-"black" blood

                  -- "Cascos"
                  --Mulatto and Mulatto
                  --1/2 full-"black" blood

                  -- "Mulatto"
                  --Black and White
                  --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                  -- "Quadroon"
                  --Mulatto and White
                  --1/4 full-"black" blood

                  -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                  --Quadroon and White
                  --1/8 full-"black" blood

                  -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                  --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                  --1/16 full-"black" blood

                  -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                  --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                  --1/32 full-"black" blood

                  SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                  **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                  --"Negro"
                  --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                  --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                  [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                  with no `other' racial admixture]

                  --"White"
                  --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                  --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                  [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                  with no `other' racial admixture]

                  **QUOTE: **

                  "[The group commonly referred to as]
                  "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                  percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                  http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html
                  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
                  6864586-
                  0680739?v==glance
                  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-
                  description/0520228731/ref==dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                  5Fencoding==UTF8&n=(3155

                  'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                  admixture found within this group should also
                  always be taken note of and remembered.'

                  www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html
                  http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
                  http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
                  http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
                  board==physanth&action==display&num=87461625
                  http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html
                • j s
                  I suppose there was also an intent when originally making these designations to indicate the appearance of the person (at least give an indication based on
                  Message 8 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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                    I suppose there was also an intent when originally
                    making these designations to indicate the appearance
                    of the person (at least give an indication based
                    on admixture), as quadroon and octoroon had a
                    perceived appearance compared to full black.
                    One would then also assume the person seeing
                    "sang mele" or Mustifino would assume the
                    person to appear basically white looking.

                    --- john <reddgold_32@...> wrote:

                    Colored or coloured covers all mixed types.

                    multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                    **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                    "A person of a racial group
                    that is not regarded as 'white'.

                    A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                    Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                    **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                    (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                    people / "multi"-racial)

                    a) Classification
                    b) Mixture
                    c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                    --"Mango"
                    --Sambo and Black
                    --7/8 full-"black" blood

                    -- "Zambo"
                    --Mulatto and Black
                    --3/4 full-"black" blood

                    -- "Cascos"
                    --Mulatto and Mulatto
                    --1/2 full-"black" blood

                    -- "Mulatto"
                    --Black and White
                    --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                    -- "Quadroon"
                    --Mulatto and White
                    --1/4 full-"black" blood

                    -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                    --Quadroon and White
                    --1/8 full-"black" blood

                    -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                    --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                    --1/16 full-"black" blood

                    -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                    --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                    --1/32 full-"black" blood

                    SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                    **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                    --"Negro"
                    --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                    --Full=64/64 + 64/64
                    [Full=a minimum of six (6) generations
                    with no `other' racial admixture]

                    --"White"
                    --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                    --Full=64/64 + 64/64
                    [Full=a minimum of six (6) generations
                    with no `other' racial admixture]

                    **QUOTE: **

                    "[The group commonly referred to as]
                    "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                    percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                    http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html

                    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-6864586-
                    0680739?v=glance
                    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-

                    description/0520228731/ref=dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                    5Fencoding=UTF8&n=283155

                    'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                    admixture found within this group should also
                    always be taken note of and remembered.'

                    www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html

                    http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
                    http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
                    http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
                    board=physanth&action=display&num=1087461625

                    http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html
                  • donnell lattimore
                    sup creole science j s wrote:I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie.
                    Message 9 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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                      sup creole science

                      j s <creolescience@...> wrote:
                      I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                      hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie.

                      Though really in my case Melungeon or
                      triracial is probably the most accurate

                      --- john <reddgold_32@...> wrote:

                      Yep it covers everything
                      like me,I am a sambo/mango.
                      Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.
                      Those names are outdated to me.
                      Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife
                      applies to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.
                      When there was a pure black and a pure white.
                      These days there are no pure anything.
                      especially in america.
                      It is a big melting pot.
                      I rather be called coloured because it includes
                      all mixes from mango to octaroon and mustifino.
                      The word coloured are actually ment
                      for people of mixed blood like us.
                      It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.
                      It has a totally different meaning once you leave america.

                      multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                      Hi,

                      Actually ... I don't think the expression that you
                      have given in regards to your opinion on this topic
                      is "going against the grain" at all – and I'm really
                      glad that you shared it (as, one of the reasons I
                      posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                      In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has
                      been as much a topic of discussion among those of us
                      who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                      and cultural groups found around the world.

                      Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                      that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                      have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                      generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                      if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                      I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                      What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                      Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                      coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                      in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                      pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                      :D

                      In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                      "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                      I know that you posted these articles for informational
                      reasons but here I have to go against the grain.
                      I find that the multitude of names
                      created for mixed race people unflattering.

                      The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                      "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it
                      derives from the Spanish word Mula, mule; literally
                      the sterile hybrid offspring resulting from the
                      crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                      Another possible origin is in the Arabic word
                      Mwallad."

                      Source:

                      http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                      Is not something I think people would want to call
                      themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                      If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
                      with a person that has some degree of African (black)
                      blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                      These definitions do not take into consideration,
                      and I'm glad they don't, the multitude of mixed
                      lineage outside these guidelines.

                      I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                      Also, those who have study art know that white
                      and black are hues when mixed with
                      other "colors" creates a new color.

                      That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                      how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                      --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                      "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                      **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                      "A person of a racial group
                      that is not regarded as 'white'.

                      A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                      Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                      **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                      (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                      people / "multi"-racial)

                      a) Classification
                      b) Mixture
                      c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                      --"Mango"
                      --Zambo and Black
                      --7/8 full-"black" blood

                      -- "Zambo"
                      --Mulatto and Black
                      --3/4 full-"black" blood

                      -- "Cascos"
                      --Mulatto and Mulatto
                      --1/2 full-"black" blood

                      -- "Mulatto"
                      --Black and White
                      --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                      -- "Quadroon"
                      --Mulatto and White
                      --1/4 full-"black" blood

                      -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                      --Quadroon and White
                      --1/8 full-"black" blood

                      -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                      --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                      --1/16 full-"black" blood

                      -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                      --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                      --1/32 full-"black" blood

                      SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                      **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                      --"Negro"
                      --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                      --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                      [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                      with no `other' racial admixture]

                      --"White"
                      --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                      --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                      [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                      with no `other' racial admixture]

                      **QUOTE: **

                      "[The group commonly referred to as]
                      "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                      percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                      http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html

                      http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
                      6864586-
                      0680739?v==glance
                      http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-

                      description/0520228731/ref==dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                      5Fencoding==UTF8&n=(3155

                      'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                      admixture found within this group should also
                      always be taken note of and remembered.'

                      www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html

                      http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
                      http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
                      http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
                      board==physanth&action==display&num= 87461625

                      http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html



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                    • multiracialbookclub
                      LOL ... so ... are you saying macaroons are *not* a type or racial admixture? :D ... j s wrote: I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc
                      Message 10 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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                        LOL ... so ... are you saying 'macaroons'
                        are *not* a 'type' or racial admixture? :D

                        --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                        j s <creolescience@y...> wrote:

                        I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                        hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie.

                        Though really in my case Melungeon or
                        triracial is probably the most accurate

                        --- john <reddgold_32@...> wrote:

                        Yep it covers everything
                        like me,I am a sambo/mango.
                        Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.
                        Those names are outdated to me.
                        Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife
                        applies to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.
                        When there was a pure black and a pure white.
                        These days there are no pure anything.
                        especially in america.
                        It is a big melting pot.
                        I rather be called coloured because it includes
                        all mixes from mango to octaroon and mustifino.
                        The word coloured are actually ment
                        for people of mixed blood like us.
                        It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.
                        It has a totally different meaning once you leave america.

                        multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                        Hi,

                        Actually ... I don't think the expression that you
                        have given in regards to your opinion on this topic
                        is "going against the grain" at all – and I'm really
                        glad that you shared it (as, one of the reasons I
                        posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                        In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has
                        been as much a topic of discussion among those of us
                        who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                        and cultural groups found around the world.

                        Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                        that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                        have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                        generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                        if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                        I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                        What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                        Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                        coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                        in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                        pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                        :D

                        In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                        "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                        I know that you posted these articles for informational
                        reasons but here I have to go against the grain.
                        I find that the multitude of names
                        created for mixed race people unflattering.

                        The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                        "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it
                        derives from the Spanish word Mula, mule; literally
                        the sterile hybrid offspring resulting from the
                        crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                        Another possible origin is in the Arabic word
                        Mwallad."

                        Source:

                        http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                        Is not something I think people would want to call
                        themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                        If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
                        with a person that has some degree of African (black)
                        blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                        These definitions do not take into consideration,
                        and I'm glad they don't, the multitude of mixed
                        lineage outside these guidelines.

                        I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                        Also, those who have study art know that white
                        and black are hues when mixed with
                        other "colors" creates a new color.

                        That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                        how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                        --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                        "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                        **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                        "A person of a racial group
                        that is not regarded as 'white'.

                        A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                        Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                        **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                        (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                        people / "multi"-racial)

                        a) Classification
                        b) Mixture
                        c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                        --"Mango"
                        --Zambo and Black
                        --7/8 full-"black" blood

                        -- "Zambo"
                        --Mulatto and Black
                        --3/4 full-"black" blood

                        -- "Cascos"
                        --Mulatto and Mulatto
                        --1/2 full-"black" blood

                        -- "Mulatto"
                        --Black and White
                        --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                        -- "Quadroon"
                        --Mulatto and White
                        --1/4 full-"black" blood

                        -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                        --Quadroon and White
                        --1/8 full-"black" blood

                        -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                        --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                        --1/16 full-"black" blood

                        -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                        --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                        --1/32 full-"black" blood

                        SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                        **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                        --"Negro"
                        --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                        --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                        [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                        with no `other' racial admixture]

                        --"White"
                        --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                        --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                        [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                        with no `other' racial admixture]

                        **QUOTE: **

                        "[The group commonly referred to as]
                        "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                        percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                        http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html

                        http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
                        6864586-
                        0680739?v==glance
                        http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-

                        description/0520228731/ref==dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                        5Fencoding==UTF8&n=(3155

                        'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                        admixture found within this group should also
                        always be taken note of and remembered.'

                        www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html

                        http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
                        http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
                        http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
                        board==physanth&action==display&num= 87461625

                        http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html
                      • j s
                        I m sure I know you - care to jog my aged memory? ... sup creole science j s wrote: I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                        Message 11 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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                          I'm sure I know you - care to jog my aged memory?

                          --- donnell lattimore <caramelkid1010@...> wrote:

                          sup creole science

                          j s <creolescience@...> wrote:

                          I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                          hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie.

                          Though really in my case Melungeon or
                          triracial is probably the most accurate

                          --- john <reddgold_32@...> wrote:

                          Yep it covers everything
                          like me,I am a sambo/mango.
                          Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.
                          Those names are outdated to me.
                          Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife
                          applies to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.
                          When there was a pure black and a pure white.
                          These days there are no pure anything.
                          especially in america.
                          It is a big melting pot.
                          I rather be called coloured because it includes
                          all mixes from mango to octaroon and mustifino.
                          The word coloured are actually ment
                          for people of mixed blood like us.
                          It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.
                          It has a totally different meaning once you leave
                          america.

                          multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                          Hi,

                          Actually ... I don't think the expression that you
                          have given in regards to your opinion on this topic
                          is "going against the grain" at all – and I'm really

                          glad that you shared it (as, one of the reasons I
                          posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                          In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has
                          been as much a topic of discussion among those of us

                          who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                          and cultural groups found around the world.

                          Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                          that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                          have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                          generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                          if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                          I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                          What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                          Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                          coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                          in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                          pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                          :D

                          In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                          "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                          I know that you posted these articles for informational
                          reasons but here I have to go against the grain.

                          I find that the multitude of names created
                          for mixed race people unflattering.

                          The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                          "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it derives from the
                          Spanish word Mula, mule; literally the sterile hybrid offspring
                          resulting from the crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                          Another possible origin is in the Arabic word Mwallad."

                          Source:


                          http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                          Is not something I think people would want to call
                          themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                          If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily
                          deal with a person that has some degree of African
                          (black) blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                          These definitions do not take into consideration,
                          and I'm glad they don't, the multitude of mixed
                          lineage outside these guidelines.

                          I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                          Also, those who have study art know that white
                          and black are hues when mixed with
                          other "colors" creates a new color.

                          That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                          how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                          --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                          "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                          **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                          "A person of a racial group
                          that is not regarded as 'white'.

                          A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                          Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                          **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                          (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                          people / "multi"-racial)

                          a) Classification
                          b) Mixture
                          c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                          --"Mango"
                          --Zambo and Black
                          --7/8 full-"black" blood

                          -- "Zambo"
                          --Mulatto and Black
                          --3/4 full-"black" blood

                          -- "Cascos"
                          --Mulatto and Mulatto
                          --1/2 full-"black" blood

                          -- "Mulatto"
                          --Black and White
                          --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                          -- "Quadroon"
                          --Mulatto and White
                          --1/4 full-"black" blood

                          -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                          --Quadroon and White
                          --1/8 full-"black" blood

                          -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                          --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                          --1/16 full-"black" blood

                          -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                          --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                          --1/32 full-"black" blood

                          SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                          **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                          --"Negro"
                          --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                          --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                          [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                          with no `other' racial admixture]

                          --"White"
                          --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                          --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                          [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                          with no `other' racial admixture]

                          **QUOTE: **

                          "[The group commonly referred to as]
                          "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                          percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                          http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html


                          http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
                          6864586-
                          0680739?v==glance
                          http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-


                          description/0520228731/ref==dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                          5Fencoding==UTF8&n=(3155

                          'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                          admixture found within this group should also
                          always be taken note of and remembered.'

                          www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html
                        • j s
                          speaking of colored here s a south African website for coloreds.: http://bruin-ou.com/aweh/index.php
                          Message 12 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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                            speaking of "colored" here's a
                            south African website for coloreds.:
                            http://bruin-ou.com/aweh/index.php
                          • j s
                            well the coconut IS white. ... LOL ... so ... are you saying macaroons are *not* a type or racial admixture? :D ... j s wrote: I like
                            Message 13 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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                              well the coconut IS white.

                              --- multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                              LOL ... so ... are you saying 'macaroons'
                              are *not* a 'type' or racial admixture? :D

                              --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                              j s <creolescience@y...> wrote:

                              I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                              hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie.

                              Though really in my case Melungeon or
                              triracial is probably the most accurate

                              --- john <reddgold_32@...> wrote:

                              Yep it covers everything
                              like me,I am a sambo/mango.
                              Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.
                              Those names are outdated to me.
                              Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife
                              applies to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.
                              When there was a pure black and a pure white.
                              These days there are no pure anything.
                              especially in america.
                              It is a big melting pot.
                              I rather be called coloured because it includes
                              all mixes from mango to octaroon and mustifino.
                              The word coloured are actually ment
                              for people of mixed blood like us.
                              It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.
                              It has a totally different meaning once you leave america.

                              multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                              Hi,

                              Actually ... I don't think the expression that you
                              have given in regards to your opinion on this topic
                              is "going against the grain" at all – and I'm really
                              glad that you shared it (as, one of the reasons I
                              posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                              In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has
                              been as much a topic of discussion among those of us
                              who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                              and cultural groups found around the world.

                              Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                              that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                              have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                              generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                              if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                              I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                              What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                              Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                              coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                              in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                              pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                              :D

                              In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                              "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                              I know that you posted these articles for informational
                              reasons but here I have to go against the grain.
                              I find that the multitude of names
                              created for mixed race people unflattering.

                              The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                              "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it
                              derives from the Spanish word Mula, mule; literally
                              the sterile hybrid offspring resulting from the
                              crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                              Another possible origin is in the Arabic word
                              Mwallad."

                              Source:

                              http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                              Is not something I think people would want to call
                              themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                              If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
                              with a person that has some degree of African (black)
                              blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                              These definitions do not take into consideration,
                              and I'm glad they don't, the multitude of mixed
                              lineage outside these guidelines.

                              I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                              Also, those who have study art know that white
                              and black are hues when mixed with
                              other "colors" creates a new color.

                              That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                              how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                              --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                              "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                              **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                              "A person of a racial group
                              that is not regarded as 'white'.

                              A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                              Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                              **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                              (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                              people / "multi"-racial)

                              a) Classification
                              b) Mixture
                              c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                              --"Mango"
                              --Zambo and Black
                              --7/8 full-"black" blood

                              -- "Zambo"
                              --Mulatto and Black
                              --3/4 full-"black" blood

                              -- "Cascos"
                              --Mulatto and Mulatto
                              --1/2 full-"black" blood

                              -- "Mulatto"
                              --Black and White
                              --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                              -- "Quadroon"
                              --Mulatto and White
                              --1/4 full-"black" blood

                              -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                              --Quadroon and White
                              --1/8 full-"black" blood

                              -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                              --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                              --1/16 full-"black" blood

                              -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                              --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                              --1/32 full-"black" blood

                              SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                              **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                              --"Negro"
                              --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                              --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                              [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                              with no `other' racial admixture]

                              --"White"
                              --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                              --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                              [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                              with no `other' racial admixture]

                              **QUOTE: **

                              "[The group commonly referred to as]
                              "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                              percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                              http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html

                              http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
                              6864586-
                              0680739?v==glance
                              http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-

                              description/0520228731/ref==dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                              5Fencoding==UTF8&n=(3155

                              'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                              admixture found within this group should also
                              always be taken note of and remembered.'

                              www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html

                              http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
                              http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
                              http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
                              board==physanth&action==display&num= 87461625

                              http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html
                            • donnell lattimore
                              yeah, you know me from mixedfolks j s wrote:I m sure I know you - care to jog my aged memory? ... sup creole science j s
                              Message 14 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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                                yeah, you know me from mixedfolks

                                j s <creolescience@...> wrote:
                                I'm sure I know you - care to jog my aged memory?

                                --- donnell lattimore <caramelkid1010@...> wrote:

                                sup creole science

                                j s <creolescience@...> wrote:

                                I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                                hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie.

                                Though really in my case Melungeon or
                                triracial is probably the most accurate

                                --- john <reddgold_32@...> wrote:

                                Yep it covers everything
                                like me,I am a sambo/mango.
                                Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.
                                Those names are outdated to me.
                                Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife
                                applies to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.
                                When there was a pure black and a pure white.
                                These days there are no pure anything.
                                especially in america.
                                It is a big melting pot.
                                I rather be called coloured because it includes
                                all mixes from mango to octaroon and mustifino.
                                The word coloured are actually ment
                                for people of mixed blood like us.
                                It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.
                                It has a totally different meaning once you leave
                                america.

                                multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                                Hi,

                                Actually ... I don't think the expression that you
                                have given in regards to your opinion on this topic
                                is "going against the grain" at all – and I'm really

                                glad that you shared it (as, one of the reasons I
                                posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                                In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has
                                been as much a topic of discussion among those of us

                                who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                                and cultural groups found around the world.

                                Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                                that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                                have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                                generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                                if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                                I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                                What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                                Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                                coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                                in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                                pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                                :D

                                In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                                I know that you posted these articles for informational
                                reasons but here I have to go against the grain. 

                                I find that the multitude of names created
                                for mixed race people unflattering.

                                The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                                "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it derives from the
                                Spanish word Mula, mule; literally the sterile hybrid offspring
                                resulting from the crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                                Another possible origin is in the Arabic word Mwallad."

                                Source:


                                http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                                Is not something I think people would want to call
                                themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                                If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily
                                deal with a person that has some degree of African
                                (black) blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                                These definitions do not take into consideration,
                                and I'm glad they don't, the multitude of mixed
                                lineage outside these guidelines.

                                I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                                Also, those who have study art know that white
                                and black are hues when mixed with
                                other "colors" creates a new color.

                                That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                                how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                                --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                                **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                                "A person of a racial group
                                that is not regarded as 'white'.

                                A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                                Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                                **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                                (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                                people / "multi"-racial)

                                a) Classification
                                b) Mixture
                                c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                                --"Mango"
                                --Zambo and Black
                                --7/8 full-"black" blood

                                -- "Zambo"
                                --Mulatto and Black
                                --3/4 full-"black" blood

                                -- "Cascos"
                                --Mulatto and Mulatto
                                --1/2 full-"black" blood

                                -- "Mulatto"
                                --Black and White
                                --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                                -- "Quadroon"
                                --Mulatto and White
                                --1/4 full-"black" blood

                                -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                                --Quadroon and White
                                --1/8 full-"black" blood

                                -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                                --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                                --1/16 full-"black" blood

                                -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                                --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                                --1/32 full-"black" blood

                                SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                                **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                                --"Negro"
                                --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                                --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                                [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                                with no `other' racial admixture]

                                --"White"
                                --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                                --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                                [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                                with no `other' racial admixture]

                                **QUOTE: **

                                "[The group commonly referred to as]
                                "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                                percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                                http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html


                                http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
                                6864586-
                                0680739?v==glance
                                http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-


                                description/0520228731/ref==dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                                5Fencoding==UTF8&n=(3155

                                'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                                admixture found within this group should also
                                always be taken note of and remembered.'

                                www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html



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                              • j s
                                Thought so - welcome aboard donnell lattimore wrote:yeah, you know me from mixedfolks j s wrote: I m sure
                                Message 15 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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                                  Thought so - welcome aboard

                                  donnell lattimore <caramelkid1010@...> wrote:
                                  yeah, you know me from mixedfolks

                                  j s <creolescience@...> wrote:
                                  I'm sure I know you - care to jog my aged memory?

                                  --- donnell lattimore <caramelkid1010@...> wrote:

                                  sup creole science

                                  j s <creolescience@...> wrote:

                                  I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                                  hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie.

                                  Though really in my case Melungeon or
                                  triracial is probably the most accurate

                                  --- john <reddgold_32@...> wrote:

                                  Yep it covers everything
                                  like me,I am a sambo/mango.
                                  Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.
                                  Those names are outdated to me.
                                  Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife
                                  applies to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.
                                  When there was a pure black and a pure white.
                                  These days there are no pure anything.
                                  especially in america.
                                  It is a big melting pot.
                                  I rather be called coloured because it includes
                                  all mixes from mango to octaroon and mustifino.
                                  The word coloured are actually ment
                                  for people of mixed blood like us.
                                  It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.
                                  It has a totally different meaning once you leave
                                  america.

                                  multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                                  Hi,

                                  Actually ... I don't think the expression that you
                                  have given in regards to your opinion on this topic
                                  is "going against the grain" at all – and I'm really

                                  glad that you shared it (as, one of the reasons I
                                  posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                                  In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has
                                  been as much a topic of discussion among those of us

                                  who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                                  and cultural groups found around the world.

                                  Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                                  that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                                  have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                                  generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                                  if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                                  I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                                  What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                                  Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                                  coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                                  in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                                  pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                                  :D

                                  In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                  "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                                  I know that you posted these articles for informational
                                  reasons but here I have to go against the grain. 

                                  I find that the multitude of names created
                                  for mixed race people unflattering.

                                  The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                                  "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it derives from the
                                  Spanish word Mula, mule; literally the sterile hybrid offspring
                                  resulting from the crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                                  Another possible origin is in the Arabic word Mwallad."

                                  Source:


                                  http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                                  Is not something I think people would want to call
                                  themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                                  If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily
                                  deal with a person that has some degree of African
                                  (black) blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                                  These definitions do not take into consideration,
                                  and I'm glad they don't, the multitude of mixed
                                  lineage outside these guidelines.

                                  I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                                  Also, those who have study art know that white
                                  and black are hues when mixed with
                                  other "colors" creates a new color.

                                  That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                                  how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                                  --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                  "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                                  **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                                  "A person of a racial group
                                  that is not regarded as 'white'.

                                  A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                                  Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                                  **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                                  (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                                  people / "multi"-racial)

                                  a) Classification
                                  b) Mixture
                                  c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                                  --"Mango"
                                  --Zambo and Black
                                  --7/8 full-"black" blood

                                  -- "Zambo"
                                  --Mulatto and Black
                                  --3/4 full-"black" blood

                                  -- "Cascos"
                                  --Mulatto and Mulatto
                                  --1/2 full-"black" blood

                                  -- "Mulatto"
                                  --Black and White
                                  --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                                  -- "Quadroon"
                                  --Mulatto and White
                                  --1/4 full-"black" blood

                                  -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                                  --Quadroon and White
                                  --1/8 full-"black" blood

                                  -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                                  --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                                  --1/16 full-"black" blood

                                  -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                                  --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                                  --1/32 full-"black" blood

                                  SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                                  **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                                  --"Negro"
                                  --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                                  --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                                  [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                                  with no `other' racial admixture]

                                  --"White"
                                  --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                                  --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                                  [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                                  with no `other' racial admixture]

                                  **QUOTE: **

                                  "[The group commonly referred to as]
                                  "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                                  percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                                  http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html


                                  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
                                  6864586-
                                  0680739?v==glance
                                  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-


                                  description/0520228731/ref==dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                                  5Fencoding==UTF8&n=(3155

                                  'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                                  admixture found within this group should also
                                  always be taken note of and remembered.'

                                  www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html



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                                • john
                                  I never herd of quintroon,mamalouc and hexadecaroon before. j s wrote:I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                                  Message 16 of 27 , Aug 3, 2005
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                                    I never herd of quintroon,mamalouc and hexadecaroon before.

                                    j s <creolescience@...> wrote:
                                    I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                                    hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie.

                                    Though really in my case Melungeon or
                                    triracial is probably the most accurate

                                    --- john <reddgold_32@...> wrote:

                                    Yep it covers everything
                                    like me,I am a sambo/mango.
                                    Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.
                                    Those names are outdated to me.
                                    Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife
                                    applies to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.
                                    When there was a pure black and a pure white.
                                    These days there are no pure anything.
                                    especially in america.
                                    It is a big melting pot.
                                    I rather be called coloured because it includes
                                    all mixes from mango to octaroon and mustifino.
                                    The word coloured are actually ment
                                    for people of mixed blood like us.
                                    It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.
                                    It has a totally different meaning once you leave america.

                                    multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                                    Hi,

                                    Actually ... I don't think the expression that you
                                    have given in regards to your opinion on this topic
                                    is "going against the grain" at all – and I'm really
                                    glad that you shared it (as, one of the reasons I
                                    posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                                    In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has
                                    been as much a topic of discussion among those of us
                                    who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                                    and cultural groups found around the world.

                                    Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                                    that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                                    have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                                    generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                                    if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                                    I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                                    What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                                    Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                                    coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                                    in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                                    pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                                    :D

                                    In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                    "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                                    I know that you posted these articles for informational
                                    reasons but here I have to go against the grain.
                                    I find that the multitude of names
                                    created for mixed race people unflattering.

                                    The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                                    "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it
                                    derives from the Spanish word Mula, mule; literally
                                    the sterile hybrid offspring resulting from the
                                    crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                                    Another possible origin is in the Arabic word
                                    Mwallad."

                                    Source:

                                    http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                                    Is not something I think people would want to call
                                    themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                                    If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
                                    with a person that has some degree of African (black)
                                    blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                                    These definitions do not take into consideration,
                                    and I'm glad they don't, the multitude of mixed
                                    lineage outside these guidelines.

                                    I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                                    Also, those who have study art know that white
                                    and black are hues when mixed with
                                    other "colors" creates a new color.

                                    That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                                    how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                                    --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                    "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                                    **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                                    "A person of a racial group
                                    that is not regarded as 'white'.

                                    A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                                    Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                                    **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                                    (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                                    people / "multi"-racial)

                                    a) Classification
                                    b) Mixture
                                    c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                                    --"Mango"
                                    --Zambo and Black
                                    --7/8 full-"black" blood

                                    -- "Zambo"
                                    --Mulatto and Black
                                    --3/4 full-"black" blood

                                    -- "Cascos"
                                    --Mulatto and Mulatto
                                    --1/2 full-"black" blood

                                    -- "Mulatto"
                                    --Black and White
                                    --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                                    -- "Quadroon"
                                    --Mulatto and White
                                    --1/4 full-"black" blood

                                    -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                                    --Quadroon and White
                                    --1/8 full-"black" blood

                                    -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                                    --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                                    --1/16 full-"black" blood

                                    -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                                    --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                                    --1/32 full-"black" blood

                                    SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                                    **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                                    --"Negro"
                                    --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                                    --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                                    [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                                    with no `other' racial admixture]

                                    --"White"
                                    --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                                    --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                                    [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                                    with no `other' racial admixture]

                                    **QUOTE: **

                                    "[The group commonly referred to as]
                                    "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                                    percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                                    http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html

                                    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
                                    6864586-
                                    0680739?v==glance
                                    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-

                                    description/0520228731/ref==dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                                    5Fencoding==UTF8&n=(3155

                                    'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                                    admixture found within this group should also
                                    always be taken note of and remembered.'

                                    www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html

                                    http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
                                    http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
                                    http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
                                    board==physanth&action==display&num= 87461625

                                    http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html



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                                  • multiracialbookclub
                                    [[John Reddgold_32@y... wrote: I never herd of quintroon,mamalouc and hexadecaroon before. ]] My reply: That s a good point, John! In fact, many of the
                                    Message 17 of 27 , Aug 3, 2005
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                                      [[John Reddgold_32@y...> wrote:
                                      "I never herd of quintroon,mamalouc and hexadecaroon before."]]

                                      My reply:

                                      That's a good point, John!

                                      In fact, many of the older terms given to `Types' of
                                      `Mixed'-race were derived from a race classification
                                      system that was originally used in the Spanish
                                      and French colonies of the `New World',
                                      and then also later used in the Southern
                                      United States in the 19th century.

                                      As a result, there are many terms were
                                      used in past times with which many,
                                      if not most, of us are not yet familiar.

                                      Research of these terms and their origins is
                                      an interesting study in `New World' history.

                                      Listed below are links to expanded definitons
                                      the terms known as "Quintroon" and "Hexadecaroon".

                                      :D

                                      ********************************
                                      ********************************

                                      A "Quintroon" is the offspring of an Octoroon
                                      and a European parent, having ancestry
                                      that is one-sixteenth African.
                                      The prefix quint- is apparently intended
                                      to mean fifth, as in "fifth-generation,"
                                      A more accurate label was "Hexadecaroon"
                                      (conveying the essence of "one-sixteenth"), but the
                                      latter term was used far less often than "Quintroon".
                                      http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/q/qu/quintroon.html
                                      http://www.free-definition.com/Quintroon.html

                                      An "octoroon" is the offspring of a quadroon
                                      and a European parent, having ancestry
                                      that is one-eighth African.
                                      Octoroons were considered "colored" and often
                                      subject to slavery in the colonial era, but sometimes
                                      given more privileges than slaves with
                                      a greater degree of African ancestry.
                                      The child of an octoroon and a white person
                                      was referred to as a "Quintroon".
                                      http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/o/oc/octoroon.html
                                      http://www.free-definition.com/Octoroon.html

                                      ********************************
                                      ********************************

                                      --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                      john <reddgold_32@y...>
                                      wrote:

                                      I never herd of quintroon,mamalouc and hexadecaroon before.

                                      j s <creolescience@...> wrote:
                                      I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                                      hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie.

                                      Though really in my case Melungeon or
                                      triracial is probably the most accurate

                                      --- john <reddgold_32@...> wrote:

                                      Yep it covers everything
                                      like me,I am a sambo/mango.
                                      Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.
                                      Those names are outdated to me.
                                      Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife
                                      applies to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.
                                      When there was a pure black and a pure white.
                                      These days there are no pure anything.
                                      especially in america.
                                      It is a big melting pot.
                                      I rather be called coloured because it includes
                                      all mixes from mango to octaroon and mustifino.
                                      The word coloured are actually ment
                                      for people of mixed blood like us.
                                      It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.
                                      It has a totally different meaning once you leave america.

                                      multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                                      Hi,

                                      Actually ... I don't think the expression that you
                                      have given in regards to your opinion on this topic
                                      is "going against the grain" at all – and I'm really
                                      glad that you shared it (as, one of the reasons I
                                      posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                                      In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has
                                      been as much a topic of discussion among those of us
                                      who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                                      and cultural groups found around the world.

                                      Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                                      that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                                      have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                                      generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                                      if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                                      I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                                      What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                                      Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                                      coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                                      in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                                      pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                                      :D

                                      In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                      "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                                      I know that you posted these articles for informational
                                      reasons but here I have to go against the grain.
                                      I find that the multitude of names
                                      created for mixed race people unflattering.

                                      The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                                      "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it
                                      derives from the Spanish word Mula, mule; literally
                                      the sterile hybrid offspring resulting from the
                                      crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                                      Another possible origin is in the Arabic word
                                      Mwallad."

                                      Source:

                                      http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                                      Is not something I think people would want to call
                                      themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                                      If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
                                      with a person that has some degree of African (black)
                                      blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                                      These definitions do not take into consideration,
                                      and I'm glad they don't, the multitude of mixed
                                      lineage outside these guidelines.

                                      I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                                      Also, those who have study art know that white
                                      and black are hues when mixed with
                                      other "colors" creates a new color.

                                      That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                                      how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                                      --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                      "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                                      **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                                      "A person of a racial group
                                      that is not regarded as 'white'.

                                      A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                                      Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                                      **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                                      (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                                      people / "multi"-racial)

                                      a) Classification
                                      b) Mixture
                                      c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                                      --"Mango"
                                      --Zambo and Black
                                      --7/8 full-"black" blood

                                      -- "Zambo"
                                      --Mulatto and Black
                                      --3/4 full-"black" blood

                                      -- "Cascos"
                                      --Mulatto and Mulatto
                                      --1/2 full-"black" blood

                                      -- "Mulatto"
                                      --Black and White
                                      --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                                      -- "Quadroon"
                                      --Mulatto and White
                                      --1/4 full-"black" blood

                                      -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                                      --Quadroon and White
                                      --1/8 full-"black" blood

                                      -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                                      --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                                      --1/16 full-"black" blood

                                      -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                                      --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                                      --1/32 full-"black" blood

                                      SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                                      **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                                      --"Negro"
                                      --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                                      --Full==d/64 + 64/64
                                      [Full====a minimum of six (6) generations
                                      with no `other' racial admixture]

                                      --"White"
                                      --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                                      --Full==d/64 + 64/64
                                      [Full====a minimum of six (6) generations
                                      with no `other' racial admixture]

                                      **QUOTE: **

                                      "[The group commonly referred to as]
                                      "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                                      percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                                      http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html

                                      http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-6864586-
                                      0680739?v====glance
                                      http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-
                                      description/0520228731/ref====dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                                      5Fencoding====UTF8&n==(3155

                                      'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                                      admixture found within this group should also
                                      always be taken note of and remembered.'

                                      www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html

                                      http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
                                      http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
                                      http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
                                      board====physanth&action====display&num== 87461625

                                      http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html
                                    • john
                                      Soaptalk how do you feel personally about these definitions.Do you think they devide the mixed community more or bring it together.Please ellaberate!
                                      Message 18 of 27 , Aug 3, 2005
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                                        Soaptalk how do you feel personally about these definitions.Do you think they devide the mixed community more or bring it together.Please ellaberate!

                                        multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:
                                        [[John  Reddgold_32@y...> wrote:
                                        "I never herd of quintroon,mamalouc and hexadecaroon before."]]

                                        My reply:

                                        That's a good point, John!

                                        In fact, many of the older terms given to `Types' of
                                        `Mixed'-race were derived from a race classification
                                        system that was originally used in the Spanish
                                        and French colonies of the `New World',
                                        and then also later used in the Southern
                                        United States in the 19th century.

                                        As a result, there are many terms were
                                        used in past times with which many,
                                        if not most, of us are not yet familiar.

                                        Research of these terms and their origins is
                                        an interesting study in `New World' history.

                                        Listed below are links to expanded definitons
                                        the terms known as "Quintroon" and "Hexadecaroon".

                                        :D

                                        ********************************
                                        ********************************

                                        A "Quintroon" is the offspring of an Octoroon
                                        and a European parent, having ancestry
                                        that is one-sixteenth African.
                                        The prefix quint- is apparently intended
                                        to mean fifth, as in "fifth-generation,"
                                        A more accurate label was "Hexadecaroon"
                                        (conveying the essence of "one-sixteenth"), but the
                                        latter term was used far less often than "Quintroon".
                                        http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/q/qu/quintroon.html
                                        http://www.free-definition.com/Quintroon.html

                                        An "octoroon" is the offspring of a quadroon
                                        and a European parent, having ancestry
                                        that is one-eighth African.
                                        Octoroons were considered "colored" and often
                                        subject to slavery in the colonial era, but sometimes
                                        given more privileges than slaves with
                                        a greater degree of African ancestry.
                                        The child of an octoroon and a white person
                                        was referred to as a "Quintroon".
                                        http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/o/oc/octoroon.html
                                        http://www.free-definition.com/Octoroon.html

                                        ********************************
                                        ********************************

                                        --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                        john <reddgold_32@y...>
                                        wrote:

                                        I never herd of quintroon,mamalouc and hexadecaroon before.

                                        j s <creolescience@...> wrote:
                                        I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                                        hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie.

                                        Though really in my case Melungeon or
                                        triracial is probably the most accurate

                                        --- john <reddgold_32@...> wrote:

                                        Yep it covers everything
                                        like me,I am a sambo/mango.
                                        Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.
                                        Those names are outdated to me.
                                        Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife
                                        applies to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.
                                        When there was a pure black and a pure white.
                                        These days there are no pure anything.
                                        especially in america.
                                        It is a big melting pot.
                                        I rather be called coloured because it includes
                                        all mixes from mango to octaroon and mustifino.
                                        The word coloured are actually ment
                                        for people of mixed blood like us.
                                        It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.
                                        It has a totally different meaning once you leave america.

                                        multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                                        Hi,

                                        Actually ... I don't think the expression that you
                                        have given in regards to your opinion on this topic
                                        is "going against the grain" at all – and I'm really
                                        glad that you shared it (as, one of the reasons I
                                        posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                                        In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has
                                        been as much a topic of discussion among those of us
                                        who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                                        and cultural groups found around the world.

                                        Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                                        that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                                        have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                                        generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                                        if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                                        I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                                        What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                                        Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                                        coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                                        in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                                        pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                                        :D

                                        In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                        "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                                        I know that you posted these articles for informational
                                        reasons but here I have to go against the grain.
                                        I find that the multitude of names
                                        created for mixed race people unflattering.

                                        The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                                        "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it
                                        derives from the Spanish word Mula, mule; literally
                                        the sterile hybrid offspring resulting from the
                                        crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                                        Another possible origin is in the Arabic word
                                        Mwallad."

                                        Source:

                                        http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                                        Is not something I think people would want to call
                                        themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                                        If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
                                        with a person that has some degree of African (black)
                                        blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                                        These definitions do not take into consideration,
                                        and I'm glad they don't, the multitude of mixed
                                        lineage outside these guidelines.

                                        I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                                        Also, those who have study art know that white
                                        and black are hues when mixed with
                                        other "colors" creates a new color.

                                        That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                                        how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                                        --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                        "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                                        **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                                        "A person of a racial group
                                        that is not regarded as 'white'.

                                        A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                                        Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                                        **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                                        (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                                        people / "multi"-racial)

                                        a) Classification
                                        b) Mixture
                                        c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                                        --"Mango"
                                        --Zambo and Black
                                        --7/8 full-"black" blood

                                        -- "Zambo"
                                        --Mulatto and Black
                                        --3/4 full-"black" blood

                                        -- "Cascos"
                                        --Mulatto and Mulatto
                                        --1/2 full-"black" blood

                                        -- "Mulatto"
                                        --Black and White
                                        --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                                        -- "Quadroon"
                                        --Mulatto and White
                                        --1/4 full-"black" blood

                                        -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                                        --Quadroon and White
                                        --1/8 full-"black" blood

                                        -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                                        --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                                        --1/16 full-"black" blood

                                        -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                                        --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                                        --1/32 full-"black" blood

                                        SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                                        **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                                        --"Negro"
                                        --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                                        --Full==d/64 + 64/64
                                        [Full====a minimum of six (6) generations
                                        with no `other' racial admixture]

                                        --"White"
                                        --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                                        --Full==d/64 + 64/64
                                        [Full====a minimum of six (6) generations
                                        with no `other' racial admixture]

                                        **QUOTE: **

                                        "[The group commonly referred to as]
                                        "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                                        percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                                        http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html

                                        http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-6864586-
                                        0680739?v====glance
                                        http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-
                                        description/0520228731/ref====dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                                        5Fencoding====UTF8&n==(3155

                                        'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                                        admixture found within this group should also
                                        always be taken note of and remembered.'

                                        www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html

                                        http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
                                        http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
                                        http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
                                        board====physanth&action====display&num== 87461625

                                        http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html






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                                      • multiracialbookclub
                                        [John wrote: “Soaptalk how do you feel personally about these definitions. Do you think they devide the mixed community more or bring it together. Please
                                        Message 19 of 27 , Aug 3, 2005
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                                          [John wrote:
                                          “Soaptalk how do you feel personally about these definitions.
                                          Do you think they devide the mixed community more or bring it together.
                                          Please ellaberate!”]

                                          My reply:

                                          Well --- personally, I prefer to simply use the rather generic
                                          term “mixed” (in reference to myself, and my ancestral lineage).

                                          However, I do also feel that each individual has both
                                          the right and even the duty to choose whatever
                                          term they feel best describes or defines them.

                                          Many of the terms do tend to date far beyond
                                          the 15th and 16th centuries and would likely be
                                          considered somewhat archaic in today's vernacular.

                                          As a mixed person, however, I feel that it is important
                                          that we know ‘our history’ as well as the terminology
                                          and historical context in which it was developed.

                                          As a result, although (as I noted earlier) many of the
                                          terms may sound archaic (and some may even sound
                                          somewhat ‘controversial’) --- it simply seems to me that
                                          we as mixed people should at least consider maintaining
                                          as much as interest in becoming familiar with them as
                                          we would with the other aspects of the heritage and
                                          history of our own individual family, ethnic or cultures.

                                          It seems that the seeking of more knowledge of and
                                          familiarity with these terms (and the many other aspects
                                          of our heritage) would likely help to bring about a type of
                                          stronger accord –rather than cause divisiveness – among
                                          those who are a part of the “mixed-unity community”.

                                          Just a thought.

                                          Thanks for your inquiry: D


                                          In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                          john <reddgold_32@y...> wrote:

                                          Soaptalk how do you feel
                                          personally about these definitions.
                                          Do you think they devide the mixed
                                          community more or bring it together.
                                          Please ellaberate!

                                          multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:


                                          [[John Reddgold_32@y...> wrote:
                                          "I never herd of quintroon,mamalouc and hexadecaroon before."]]

                                          My reply:

                                          That's a good point, John!

                                          In fact, many of the older terms given to `Types' of
                                          `Mixed'-race were derived from a race classification
                                          system that was originally used in the Spanish
                                          and French colonies of the `New World',
                                          and then also later used in the Southern
                                          United States in the 19th century.

                                          As a result, there are many terms were
                                          used in past times with which many,
                                          if not most, of us are not yet familiar.

                                          Research of these terms and their origins is
                                          an interesting study in `New World' history.

                                          Listed below are links to expanded definitons
                                          the terms known as "Quintroon" and "Hexadecaroon".

                                          :D

                                          ********************************
                                          ********************************

                                          A "Quintroon" is the offspring of an Octoroon
                                          and a European parent, having ancestry
                                          that is one-sixteenth African.
                                          The prefix quint- is apparently intended
                                          to mean fifth, as in "fifth-generation,"
                                          A more accurate label was "Hexadecaroon"
                                          (conveying the essence of "one-sixteenth"), but the
                                          latter term was used far less often than "Quintroon".
                                          http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/q/qu/quintroon.html
                                          http://www.free-definition.com/Quintroon.html

                                          An "octoroon" is the offspring of a quadroon
                                          and a European parent, having ancestry
                                          that is one-eighth African.
                                          Octoroons were considered "colored" and often
                                          subject to slavery in the colonial era, but sometimes
                                          given more privileges than slaves with
                                          a greater degree of African ancestry.
                                          The child of an octoroon and a white person
                                          was referred to as a "Quintroon".
                                          http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/o/oc/octoroon.html
                                          http://www.free-definition.com/Octoroon.html

                                          ********************************
                                          ********************************

                                          --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                          john <reddgold_32@y...> wrote:

                                          I never herd of quintroon,mamalouc and hexadecaroon before.

                                          j s <creolescience@...> wrote:
                                          I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                                          hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie.

                                          Though really in my case Melungeon or
                                          triracial is probably the most accurate

                                          --- john <reddgold_32@...> wrote:

                                          Yep it covers everything
                                          like me,I am a sambo/mango.
                                          Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.
                                          Those names are outdated to me.
                                          Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife
                                          applies to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.
                                          When there was a pure black and a pure white.
                                          These days there are no pure anything.
                                          especially in america.
                                          It is a big melting pot.
                                          I rather be called coloured because it includes
                                          all mixes from mango to octaroon and mustifino.
                                          The word coloured are actually ment
                                          for people of mixed blood like us.
                                          It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.
                                          It has a totally different meaning once you leave america.

                                          multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                                          Hi,

                                          Actually ... I don't think the expression that you
                                          have given in regards to your opinion on this topic
                                          is "going against the grain" at all – and I'm really
                                          glad that you shared it (as, one of the reasons I
                                          posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                                          In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has
                                          been as much a topic of discussion among those of us
                                          who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                                          and cultural groups found around the world.

                                          Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                                          that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                                          have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                                          generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                                          if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                                          I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                                          What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                                          Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                                          coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                                          in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                                          pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                                          :D

                                          In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                          "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                                          I know that you posted these articles for informational
                                          reasons but here I have to go against the grain.
                                          I find that the multitude of names
                                          created for mixed race people unflattering.

                                          The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                                          "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it
                                          derives from the Spanish word Mula, mule; literally
                                          the sterile hybrid offspring resulting from the
                                          crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                                          Another possible origin is in the Arabic word
                                          Mwallad."

                                          Source:

                                          http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                                          Is not something I think people would want to call
                                          themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                                          If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
                                          with a person that has some degree of African (black)
                                          blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                                          These definitions do not take into consideration,
                                          and I'm glad they don't, the multitude of mixed
                                          lineage outside these guidelines.

                                          I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                                          Also, those who have study art know that white
                                          and black are hues when mixed with
                                          other "colors" creates a new color.

                                          That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                                          how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                                          --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                          "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                                          **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                                          "A person of a racial group
                                          that is not regarded as 'white'.

                                          A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                                          Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                                          **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                                          (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                                          people / "multi"-racial)

                                          a) Classification
                                          b) Mixture
                                          c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                                          --"Mango"
                                          --Zambo and Black
                                          --7/8 full-"black" blood

                                          -- "Zambo"
                                          --Mulatto and Black
                                          --3/4 full-"black" blood

                                          -- "Cascos"
                                          --Mulatto and Mulatto
                                          --1/2 full-"black" blood

                                          -- "Mulatto"
                                          --Black and White
                                          --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                                          -- "Quadroon"
                                          --Mulatto and White
                                          --1/4 full-"black" blood

                                          -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                                          --Quadroon and White
                                          --1/8 full-"black" blood

                                          -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                                          --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                                          --1/16 full-"black" blood

                                          -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                                          --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                                          --1/32 full-"black" blood

                                          SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                                          **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                                          --"Negro"
                                          --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                                          --Full===d/64 + 64/64
                                          [Full========a minimum of six (6) generations
                                          with no `other' racial admixture]

                                          --"White"
                                          --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                                          --Full====d/64 + 64/64
                                          [Full========a minimum of six (6) generations
                                          with no `other' racial admixture]

                                          **QUOTE: **

                                          "[The group commonly referred to as]
                                          "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                                          percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                                          http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html

                                          http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-6864586-
                                          0680739?v========glance
                                          http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-
                                          description/0520228731/ref========dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                                          5Fencoding========UTF8&n====(3155

                                          'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                                          admixture found within this group should also
                                          always be taken note of and remembered.'

                                          www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html

                                          http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
                                          http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
                                          http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
                                          board========physanth&action========display&num==== 87461625

                                          http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html
                                        • sudoangel2000
                                          I would have to disgree with your last statement to a certain extent: It seems that the seeking of more knowledge of and familiarity with these terms (and the
                                          Message 20 of 27 , Aug 3, 2005
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                                            I would have to disgree with your last statement to a certain extent:

                                            "It seems that the seeking of more knowledge of and
                                            familiarity with these terms (and the many other aspects
                                            of our heritage) would likely help to bring about a type of
                                            stronger accord –rather than cause divisiveness – among
                                            those who are a part of the "mixed-unity community"."

                                            Although understanding the origins of these racial catagories
                                            pertaining to some mixed people is something we all should seek, I
                                            don't agree that these concepts should become familiar, out of
                                            familiarity comes indifference, meaning the divisions that have been
                                            created among people of color due to these very labels will continue
                                            if we believe it to be so.

                                            As you stated earlier in your response you prefer to use the generic
                                            term mixed when refering to yourself which in my oppinion should
                                            suffice for all of us as long as we know our lineage culturally and
                                            historically. As far as I'm concerned mixed people shouldn't have to
                                            explain his/her self if they do not wish to.

                                            Regarding being knowledgable about one's history and past references
                                            to racial mixing leading to "stronger accord" I again disagree. Human
                                            nature seems to dictate that people naturally observe and point out
                                            differences in each other. Thereasons depend on the context pointers
                                            are acknowledging the pointees. Besides the divisions are already
                                            present, do we want to perpetuate division or learn to accept each
                                            rather than tolerate.

                                            Perhaps my comments on this subject or lack there of, are due to the
                                            fact that I don't relate. I feel that all the racially mixed labels
                                            listed before are negative in nature and are based on percentages
                                            which I don't believe is logical to determine a person's mixness.

                                            If asked by another I refer to myself as human first and multiracial
                                            second. I want it made clear to the person asking that what is
                                            important for them to know about me is not what is important to me or
                                            humanity.

                                            There are bigger problems in the world than trying to figure out what
                                            someone is mixed with, yet a lot of these problems stem from racial
                                            labels/catagories that triggered these problems in the first place.

                                            Just my oppinion...

                                            --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                            "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                                            [John wrote:
                                            "Soaptalk how do you feel personally about these definitions.
                                            Do you think they devide the mixed
                                            community more or bring it together.
                                            Please ellaberate!"]

                                            My reply:

                                            Well --- personally, I prefer to simply use the rather generic
                                            term "mixed" (in reference to myself, and my ancestral lineage).

                                            However, I do also feel that each individual has both
                                            the right and even the duty to choose whatever
                                            term they feel best describes or defines them.

                                            Many of the terms do tend to date far beyond
                                            the 15th and 16th centuries and would likely be
                                            considered somewhat archaic in today's vernacular.

                                            As a mixed person, however, I feel that it is important
                                            that we know `our history' as well as the terminology
                                            and historical context in which it was developed.

                                            As a result, although (as I noted earlier) many of the
                                            terms may sound archaic (and some may even sound
                                            somewhat `controversial') --- it simply seems to me that
                                            we as mixed people should at least consider maintaining
                                            as much as interest in becoming familiar with them as
                                            we would with the other aspects of the heritage and
                                            history of our own individual family, ethnic or cultures.

                                            It seems that the seeking of more knowledge of and
                                            familiarity with these terms (and the many other aspects
                                            of our heritage) would likely help to bring about a type of
                                            stronger accord –rather than cause divisiveness – among
                                            those who are a part of the "mixed-unity community".

                                            Just a thought.

                                            Thanks for your inquiry: D

                                            In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                            john <reddgold_32@y...> wrote:

                                            Soaptalk how do you feel
                                            personally about these definitions.
                                            Do you think they devide the mixed
                                            community more or bring it together.
                                            Please ellaberate!

                                            multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                                            [[John Reddgold_32@y...> wrote:
                                            "I never herd of quintroon,mamalouc and hexadecaroon before."]]

                                            My reply:

                                            That's a good point, John!

                                            In fact, many of the older terms given to `Types' of
                                            `Mixed'-race were derived from a race classification
                                            system that was originally used in the Spanish
                                            and French colonies of the `New World',
                                            and then also later used in the Southern
                                            United States in the 19th century.

                                            As a result, there are many terms were
                                            used in past times with which many,
                                            if not most, of us are not yet familiar.

                                            Research of these terms and their origins is
                                            an interesting study in `New World' history.

                                            Listed below are links to expanded definitons
                                            the terms known as "Quintroon" and "Hexadecaroon".

                                            :D

                                            ********************************
                                            ********************************

                                            A "Quintroon" is the offspring of an Octoroon
                                            and a European parent, having ancestry
                                            that is one-sixteenth African.
                                            The prefix quint- is apparently intended
                                            to mean fifth, as in "fifth-generation,"
                                            A more accurate label was "Hexadecaroon"
                                            (conveying the essence of "one-sixteenth"), but the
                                            latter term was used far less often than "Quintroon".
                                            http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/q/qu/quintroon.html
                                            http://www.free-definition.com/Quintroon.html

                                            An "octoroon" is the offspring of a quadroon
                                            and a European parent, having ancestry
                                            that is one-eighth African.
                                            Octoroons were considered "colored" and often
                                            subject to slavery in the colonial era, but sometimes
                                            given more privileges than slaves with
                                            a greater degree of African ancestry.
                                            The child of an octoroon and a white person
                                            was referred to as a "Quintroon".
                                            http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/o/oc/octoroon.html
                                            http://www.free-definition.com/Octoroon.html

                                            ********************************
                                            ********************************

                                            --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                            john <reddgold_32@y...> wrote:

                                            I never herd of quintroon,mamalouc and hexadecaroon before.

                                            j s <creolescience@y...> wrote:

                                            I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                                            hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie.

                                            Though really in my case Melungeon or
                                            triracial is probably the most accurate

                                            --- john <reddgold_32@y...> wrote:

                                            Yep it covers everything
                                            like me,I am a sambo/mango.
                                            Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.
                                            Those names are outdated to me.
                                            Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife
                                            applies to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.
                                            When there was a pure black and a pure white.
                                            These days there are no pure anything.
                                            especially in america.
                                            It is a big melting pot.
                                            I rather be called coloured because it includes
                                            all mixes from mango to octaroon and mustifino.
                                            The word coloured are actually ment
                                            for people of mixed blood like us.
                                            It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.
                                            It has a totally different meaning once you leave america.

                                            multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                                            Hi,

                                            Actually ... I don't think the expression that you
                                            have given in regards to your opinion on this topic
                                            is "going against the grain" at all – and I'm really
                                            glad that you shared it (as, one of the reasons I
                                            posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                                            In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has
                                            been as much a topic of discussion among those of us
                                            who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                                            and cultural groups found around the world.

                                            Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                                            that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                                            have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                                            generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                                            if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                                            I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                                            What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                                            Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                                            coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                                            in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                                            pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                                            :D

                                            In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                            "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                                            I know that you posted these articles for informational
                                            reasons but here I have to go against the grain.
                                            I find that the multitude of names
                                            created for mixed race people unflattering.

                                            The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                                            "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it
                                            derives from the Spanish word Mula, mule; literally
                                            the sterile hybrid offspring resulting from the
                                            crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                                            Another possible origin is in the Arabic word
                                            Mwallad."

                                            Source:

                                            http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                                            Is not something I think people would want to call
                                            themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                                            If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
                                            with a person that has some degree of African (black)
                                            blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                                            These definitions do not take into consideration,
                                            and I'm glad they don't, the multitude of mixed
                                            lineage outside these guidelines.

                                            I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                                            Also, those who have study art know that white
                                            and black are hues when mixed with
                                            other "colors" creates a new color.

                                            That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                                            how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                                            --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                            "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                                            **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                                            "A person of a racial group
                                            that is not regarded as 'white'.

                                            A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                                            Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                                            **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                                            (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                                            people / "multi"-racial)

                                            a) Classification
                                            b) Mixture
                                            c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                                            --"Mango"
                                            --Zambo and Black
                                            --7/8 full-"black" blood

                                            -- "Zambo"
                                            --Mulatto and Black
                                            --3/4 full-"black" blood

                                            -- "Cascos"
                                            --Mulatto and Mulatto
                                            --1/2 full-"black" blood

                                            -- "Mulatto"
                                            --Black and White
                                            --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                                            -- "Quadroon"
                                            --Mulatto and White
                                            --1/4 full-"black" blood

                                            -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                                            --Quadroon and White
                                            --1/8 full-"black" blood

                                            -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                                            --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                                            --1/16 full-"black" blood

                                            -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                                            --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                                            --1/32 full-"black" blood

                                            SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                                            **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                                            --"Negro"
                                            --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                                            --Full===d/64 + 64/64
                                            [Full========a minimum of six (6) generations
                                            with no `other' racial admixture]

                                            --"White"
                                            --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                                            --Full===d/64 + 64/64
                                            [Full========a minimum of six (6) generations
                                            with no `other' racial admixture]

                                            **QUOTE: **

                                            "[The group commonly referred to as]
                                            "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                                            percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                                            http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html

                                            http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
                                            6864586-
                                            0680739?v========glance
                                            http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-
                                            description/0520228731/ref========dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                                            5Fencoding========UTF8&n====(3155

                                            'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                                            admixture found within this group should also
                                            always be taken note of and remembered.'

                                            www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html

                                            http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
                                            http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
                                            http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
                                            board========physanth&action========display&num==== 87461625

                                            http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html
                                          • wintyreeve@aol.com
                                            In a message dated 8/3/2005 6:16:35 PM Central Standard Time, sudoangel2000@yahoo.com writes: There are bigger problems in the world than trying to figure out
                                            Message 21 of 27 , Aug 3, 2005
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                                              In a message dated 8/3/2005 6:16:35 PM Central Standard Time, sudoangel2000@... writes:
                                              There are bigger problems in the world than trying to figure out what
                                              someone is mixed with, yet a lot of these problems stem from racial
                                              labels/catagories that triggered these problems in the first place.
                                               
                                              Nicely said! I was thinking the same thing... Why is it when people look at another person that race or color or nationality is first in their mind? And if someone does look at another, and see the color of skin first or make judgements about the features, that means that racial evaluations are important to that person. So important that the very opinion of another person, and the relationship you could form with that person is based on that initial judgement. Honestly, it seems insane.
                                               
                                              I don't have it in me to see people like that. I think every person can be judgemental or have a bias...but we also have a mind to keep ourselves in check. Something must be wrong with people who are not able to control their thoughts, and let their projections cloud reality?
                                               
                                              Just a Thought...Lynn
                                            • sudoangel2000
                                              I totally agree Lynn. I think that judging people by race, ethnicity, or nationality is stronger in the US due to the foundations of this country but that s
                                              Message 22 of 27 , Aug 4, 2005
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                                                I totally agree Lynn. I think that judging people by race, ethnicity,
                                                or nationality is stronger in the US due to the foundations of this
                                                country but that's not to say it doesn't happen elsewhere.
                                                In Indian as well as cast the fairer the complexion and if
                                                one is "lucky" to be born with light colored eyes is very
                                                much prized. Some would venture to say this thinking is a
                                                result of British colonization but in reality this thinking
                                                was in place before the Brits arrived. Still to this day women
                                                are bleaching there skin to achieve a lighter complexion
                                                which will equal a better marriage arrangement.
                                                It's unconceivable to me because Indians just like "black"
                                                Americans come in different skin tones and there lies
                                                the beauty. The seperations among "black" people in the
                                                US due to hair type, skin tone, and eye color never
                                                made any sense to me but it's the same thinking.

                                                I think human beings by nature feel superior when pointing
                                                out differences in another group because it seems they
                                                point out what is not pleasing to their eye.

                                                "Something must be wrong with people who are not able to control
                                                their thoughts, and let their projections cloud reality"

                                                I like that statement and I would add that in most instances
                                                this behaviour is out of fear of what's different.
                                                Differences should be celebrated not ridiculed and create hate.

                                                Tanya

                                                In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                                wintyreeve@a... wrote:

                                                In a message dated 8/3/2005 6:16:35 PM Central
                                                Standard Time, sudoangel2000@y... writes:

                                                There are bigger problems in the world than trying to
                                                figure out what someone is mixed with, yet a lot of
                                                these problems stem from racial labels/catagories that
                                                triggered these problems in the first place.

                                                Nicely said! I was thinking the same thing... Why is it when
                                                people look at another person that race or color or nationality
                                                is first in their mind? And if someone does look at another,
                                                and see the color of skin first or make judgements about the
                                                features, that means that racial evaluations are important
                                                to that person. So important that the very opinion of another
                                                person, and the relationship you could form with that person
                                                is based on that initial judgement. Honestly, it seems insane.

                                                I don't have it in me to see people like that. I think
                                                every person can be judgemental or have a bias...but we
                                                also have a mind to keep ourselves in check. Something
                                                must be wrong with people who are not able to control
                                                their thoughts, and let their projections cloud reality?

                                                Just a Thought...Lynn
                                              • multiracialbookclub
                                                [SudoAngel wrote: In Indian ... to this day women are bleaching there skin to achieve a lighter complexion which will equal a better marriage arrangement.]
                                                Message 23 of 27 , Aug 5, 2005
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                                                  [SudoAngel wrote:
                                                  "In Indian ... to this day women are bleaching
                                                  there skin to achieve a lighter complexion
                                                  which will equal a better marriage arrangement.]

                                                  Reply:

                                                  You bring up a good point.

                                                  In fact, some examples of the dangerous trend of people
                                                  feeling pressured to change their skin coloring / shade
                                                  (in order to have better social opportunity or more
                                                  acceptance) can also be found all over the globe
                                                  (for example, some people in the various `of-color'
                                                  nations tend to promote the dangerous skin-'bleaching'
                                                  trend / while those in various western nations tend to
                                                  promote an equally dangerous skin-'darkening' trend.
                                                  are noted in the articles found at the following links:

                                                  The Asian continent:

                                                  http://www.modelminority.com/article889.html
                                                  http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/05/13/asia.whitening/
                                                  http://www.skininc.com/news/928656.html
                                                  http://wwwsshe.murdoch.edu.au/intersections/issue9/gooncraven.html
                                                  http://www.modelminority.com/article497.html
                                                  http://www.asianfilm.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=40
                                                  http://www.calbaptist.edu/dskubik/white_skin.htm

                                                  The Latin American region:

                                                  http://www.boston.com/yourlife/health/diseases/articles/2003/12/16/whi
                                                  tening_skin_can_be_deadly?mode=PF
                                                  http://www.modelminority.com/article889.html

                                                  The African continent:

                                                  http://archive.blackvoices.com/articles/daily/index_20010709.asp
                                                  http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2004/12/tanzania_counts.php

                                                  The Caribbean / West Indies Islands:

                                                  http://www.jamaicans.com/articles/0902_bleaching.htm
                                                  http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/43/152.html
                                                  http://www.towncomputer.com/identity.html
                                                  http://www.caribbean-media.net/articles/article14.htm
                                                  http://www.pih.org.uk/features/poem_mr.html
                                                  http://www.jamaicans.com/articles/primecomments/0902_bleaching.shtml
                                                  http://www.bbc.co.uk/caribbean/news/story/2004/09/040906_bleaching.sht
                                                  ml

                                                  The North American region:

                                                  http://womenmagazine.com/managearticle.asp?c=930&a=523
                                                  http://www.wftv.com/health/1719030/detail.html
                                                  http://www.aad.org/public/News/NewsReleases/TanningDangers.htm

                                                  In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                                  "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                                                  I totally agree Lynn. I think that judging people by race, ethnicity,
                                                  or nationality is stronger in the US due to the foundations of this
                                                  country but that's not to say it doesn't happen elsewhere.
                                                  In Indian as well as cast the fairer the complexion and if
                                                  one is "lucky" to be born with light colored eyes is very
                                                  much prized. Some would venture to say this thinking is a
                                                  result of British colonization but in reality this thinking
                                                  was in place before the Brits arrived. Still to this day women
                                                  are bleaching there skin to achieve a lighter complexion
                                                  which will equal a better marriage arrangement.
                                                  It's unconceivable to me because Indians just like "black"
                                                  Americans come in different skin tones and there lies
                                                  the beauty. The seperations among "black" people in the
                                                  US due to hair type, skin tone, and eye color never
                                                  made any sense to me but it's the same thinking.

                                                  I think human beings by nature feel superior when pointing
                                                  out differences in another group because it seems they
                                                  point out what is not pleasing to their eye.

                                                  "Something must be wrong with people who are not able to control
                                                  their thoughts, and let their projections cloud reality"

                                                  I like that statement and I would add that in most instances
                                                  this behaviour is out of fear of what's different.
                                                  Differences should be celebrated not ridiculed and create hate.

                                                  Tanya

                                                  In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                                  wintyreeve@a... wrote:

                                                  In a message dated 8/3/2005 6:16:35 PM Central
                                                  Standard Time, sudoangel2000@y... writes:

                                                  There are bigger problems in the world than trying to
                                                  figure out what someone is mixed with, yet a lot of
                                                  these problems stem from racial labels/catagories that
                                                  triggered these problems in the first place.

                                                  Nicely said! I was thinking the same thing... Why is it when
                                                  people look at another person that race or color or nationality
                                                  is first in their mind? And if someone does look at another,
                                                  and see the color of skin first or make judgements about the
                                                  features, that means that racial evaluations are important
                                                  to that person. So important that the very opinion of another
                                                  person, and the relationship you could form with that person
                                                  is based on that initial judgement. Honestly, it seems insane.

                                                  I don't have it in me to see people like that. I think
                                                  every person can be judgemental or have a bias...but we
                                                  also have a mind to keep ourselves in check. Something
                                                  must be wrong with people who are not able to control
                                                  their thoughts, and let their projections cloud reality?

                                                  Just a Thought...Lynn
                                                • sudoangel2000
                                                  If one were looking from the outside of our world at this behaviour, that seems to ingrained into human nature, it would paint a perception of a world of
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                                                    If one were looking from the outside of our world at this behaviour,
                                                    that seems to ingrained into human nature, it would paint a
                                                    perception of a world of unsatisfied beings. As well as skin color
                                                    someone wants to be lighter and the other wants to be darker, as has
                                                    been talked about earlier hair textures and eye color play a big part
                                                    in people trying to change their looks to become more pleasing to
                                                    others etc...

                                                    The most annoying thing for me to see is a person wearing colored
                                                    contact lenses. People should be happy with what they were given.
                                                    Normally a person that wants to change their eye color using lenses
                                                    picks a unnatural look. I wonder who's bright idea it was to create
                                                    colored lenses..lol I wear lense so I can see period and I love my
                                                    natural eye color.

                                                    It's the same with hair textures which I'm sure most of us know about
                                                    already.

                                                    Discontent seems to be what drives people to do some strange things
                                                    to themselves. Now in the age of plastic surgery it's getting
                                                    scarrier by the minute.

                                                    Tanya

                                                    In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                                    "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                                                    [SudoAngel wrote:
                                                    "In Indian ... to this day women are bleaching
                                                    there skin to achieve a lighter complexion
                                                    which will equal a better marriage arrangement.]

                                                    Reply:

                                                    You bring up a good point.

                                                    In fact, some examples of the dangerous trend of people
                                                    feeling pressured to change their skin coloring / shade
                                                    (in order to have better social opportunity or more
                                                    acceptance) can also be found all over the globe
                                                    (for example, some people in the various `of-color'
                                                    nations tend to promote the dangerous skin-'bleaching'
                                                    trend / while those in various western nations tend to
                                                    promote an equally dangerous skin-'darkening' trend.
                                                    are noted in the articles found at the following links:

                                                    The Asian continent:

                                                    http://www.modelminority.com/article889.html
                                                    http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/05/13/asia.whitening/
                                                    http://www.skininc.com/news/928656.html
                                                    http://wwwsshe.murdoch.edu.au/intersections/issue9/gooncraven.html
                                                    http://www.modelminority.com/article497.html
                                                    http://www.asianfilm.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=40
                                                    http://www.calbaptist.edu/dskubik/white_skin.htm

                                                    The Latin American region:

                                                    http://www.boston.com/yourlife/health/diseases/articles/2003/12/16/whi
                                                    tening_skin_can_be_deadly?mode=PF
                                                    http://www.modelminority.com/article889.html

                                                    The African continent:

                                                    http://archive.blackvoices.com/articles/daily/index_20010709.asp
                                                    http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2004/12/tanzania_counts.php

                                                    The Caribbean / West Indies Islands:

                                                    http://www.jamaicans.com/articles/0902_bleaching.htm
                                                    http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/43/152.html
                                                    http://www.towncomputer.com/identity.html
                                                    http://www.caribbean-media.net/articles/article14.htm
                                                    http://www.pih.org.uk/features/poem_mr.html
                                                    http://www.jamaicans.com/articles/primecomments/0902_bleaching.shtml
                                                    http://www.bbc.co.uk/caribbean/news/story/2004/09/040906_bleaching.sht
                                                    ml

                                                    The North American region:

                                                    http://womenmagazine.com/managearticle.asp?c=930&a=523
                                                    http://www.wftv.com/health/1719030/detail.html
                                                    http://www.aad.org/public/News/NewsReleases/TanningDangers.htm

                                                    In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                                    "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                                                    I totally agree Lynn. I think that judging people by race, ethnicity,
                                                    or nationality is stronger in the US due to the foundations of this
                                                    country but that's not to say it doesn't happen elsewhere.
                                                    In Indian as well as cast the fairer the complexion and if
                                                    one is "lucky" to be born with light colored eyes is very
                                                    much prized. Some would venture to say this thinking is a
                                                    result of British colonization but in reality this thinking
                                                    was in place before the Brits arrived. Still to this day women
                                                    are bleaching there skin to achieve a lighter complexion
                                                    which will equal a better marriage arrangement.
                                                    It's unconceivable to me because Indians just like "black"
                                                    Americans come in different skin tones and there lies
                                                    the beauty. The seperations among "black" people in the
                                                    US due to hair type, skin tone, and eye color never
                                                    made any sense to me but it's the same thinking.

                                                    I think human beings by nature feel superior when pointing
                                                    out differences in another group because it seems they
                                                    point out what is not pleasing to their eye.

                                                    "Something must be wrong with people who are not able to control
                                                    their thoughts, and let their projections cloud reality"

                                                    I like that statement and I would add that in most instances
                                                    this behaviour is out of fear of what's different.
                                                    Differences should be celebrated not ridiculed and create hate.

                                                    Tanya

                                                    In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                                    wintyreeve@a... wrote:

                                                    In a message dated 8/3/2005 6:16:35 PM Central
                                                    Standard Time, sudoangel2000@y... writes:

                                                    There are bigger problems in the world than trying to
                                                    figure out what someone is mixed with, yet a lot of
                                                    these problems stem from racial labels/catagories that
                                                    triggered these problems in the first place.

                                                    Nicely said! I was thinking the same thing... Why is it when
                                                    people look at another person that race or color or nationality
                                                    is first in their mind? And if someone does look at another,
                                                    and see the color of skin first or make judgements about the
                                                    features, that means that racial evaluations are important
                                                    to that person. So important that the very opinion of another
                                                    person, and the relationship you could form with that person
                                                    is based on that initial judgement. Honestly, it seems insane.

                                                    I don't have it in me to see people like that. I think
                                                    every person can be judgemental or have a bias...but we
                                                    also have a mind to keep ourselves in check. Something
                                                    must be wrong with people who are not able to control
                                                    their thoughts, and let their projections cloud reality?

                                                    Just a Thought...Lynn
                                                  • multiracialbookclub
                                                    Melungeon Heritage Association: http://www.melungeon.org/index.cgi? cat=10076&BISKIT=350984286&CONTEXT=cat Melungeon Reemergence
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                                                      Melungeon Heritage Association:
                                                      http://www.melungeon.org/index.cgi?
                                                      cat=10076&BISKIT=350984286&CONTEXT=cat

                                                      Melungeon Reemergence
                                                      http://multiracial.com/readers/adams.html

                                                      In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                                      j s <creolescience@y...> wrote:

                                                      I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                                                      hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie.

                                                      Though really in my case Melungeon or
                                                      triracial is probably the most accurate

                                                      --- john <reddgold_32@...> wrote:

                                                      Yep it covers everything
                                                      like me,I am a sambo/mango.
                                                      Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.
                                                      Those names are outdated to me.
                                                      Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife
                                                      applies to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.
                                                      When there was a pure black and a pure white.
                                                      These days there are no pure anything.
                                                      especially in america.
                                                      It is a big melting pot.
                                                      I rather be called coloured because it includes
                                                      all mixes from mango to octaroon and mustifino.
                                                      The word coloured are actually ment
                                                      for people of mixed blood like us.
                                                      It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.
                                                      It has a totally different meaning once you leave america.

                                                      multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                                                      Hi,

                                                      Actually ... I don't think the expression that you
                                                      have given in regards to your opinion on this topic
                                                      is "going against the grain" at all – and I'm really
                                                      glad that you shared it (as, one of the reasons I
                                                      posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                                                      In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has
                                                      been as much a topic of discussion among those of us
                                                      who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                                                      and cultural groups found around the world.

                                                      Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                                                      that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                                                      have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                                                      generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                                                      if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                                                      I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                                                      What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                                                      Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                                                      coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                                                      in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                                                      pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                                                      :D

                                                      In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                                      "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                                                      I know that you posted these articles for informational
                                                      reasons but here I have to go against the grain.
                                                      I find that the multitude of names
                                                      created for mixed race people unflattering.

                                                      The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                                                      "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it
                                                      derives from the Spanish word Mula, mule; literally
                                                      the sterile hybrid offspring resulting from the
                                                      crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                                                      Another possible origin is in the Arabic word
                                                      Mwallad."

                                                      Source:

                                                      http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                                                      Is not something I think people would want to call
                                                      themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                                                      If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
                                                      with a person that has some degree of African (black)
                                                      blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                                                      These definitions do not take into consideration,
                                                      and I'm glad they don't, the multitude of mixed
                                                      lineage outside these guidelines.

                                                      I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                                                      Also, those who have study art know that white
                                                      and black are hues when mixed with
                                                      other "colors" creates a new color.

                                                      That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                                                      how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                                                      --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                                      "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                                                      **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                                                      "A person of a racial group
                                                      that is not regarded as 'white'.

                                                      A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                                                      Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                                                      **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                                                      (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                                                      people / "multi"-racial)

                                                      a) Classification
                                                      b) Mixture
                                                      c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                                                      --"Mango"
                                                      --Zambo and Black
                                                      --7/8 full-"black" blood

                                                      -- "Zambo"
                                                      --Mulatto and Black
                                                      --3/4 full-"black" blood

                                                      -- "Cascos"
                                                      --Mulatto and Mulatto
                                                      --1/2 full-"black" blood

                                                      -- "Mulatto"
                                                      --Black and White
                                                      --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                                                      -- "Quadroon"
                                                      --Mulatto and White
                                                      --1/4 full-"black" blood

                                                      -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                                                      --Quadroon and White
                                                      --1/8 full-"black" blood

                                                      -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                                                      --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                                                      --1/16 full-"black" blood

                                                      -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                                                      --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                                                      --1/32 full-"black" blood

                                                      SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                                                      **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                                                      --"Negro"
                                                      --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                                                      --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                                                      [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                                                      with no `other' racial admixture]

                                                      --"White"
                                                      --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                                                      --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                                                      [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                                                      with no `other' racial admixture]

                                                      **QUOTE: **

                                                      "[The group commonly referred to as]
                                                      "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                                                      percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                                                      http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html

                                                      http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
                                                      6864586-
                                                      0680739?v==glance
                                                      http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-

                                                      description/0520228731/ref==dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                                                      5Fencoding==UTF8&n=(3155

                                                      'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                                                      admixture found within this group should also
                                                      always be taken note of and remembered.'

                                                      www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html

                                                      http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
                                                      http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
                                                      http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
                                                      board==physanth&action==display&num= 87461625

                                                      http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html
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