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  • multiracialbookclub
    **Defintion of Colored or Of Color A person of a racial group that is not regarded as white . A person of MIXED RACIAL strains. Source:
    Message 1 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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      **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

      "A person of a racial group
      that is not regarded as 'white'.

      A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

      Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

      **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

      (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
      people / "multi"-racial)

      a) Classification
      b) Mixture
      c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

      --"Mango"
      --Sambo and Black
      --7/8 full-"black" blood

      -- "Zambo"
      --Mulatto and Black
      --3/4 full-"black" blood

      -- "Cascos"
      --Mulatto and Mulatto
      --1/2 full-"black" blood

      -- "Mulatto"
      --Black and White
      --1/2 "full-"black" blood

      -- "Quadroon"
      --Mulatto and White
      --1/4 full-"black" blood

      -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
      --Quadroon and White
      --1/8 full-"black" blood

      -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
      --Octoroon / Mustee and White
      --1/16 full-"black" blood

      -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
      --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
      --1/32 full-"black" blood

      SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

      **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

      --"Negro"
      --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
      --Full=64/64 + 64/64
      [Full=a minimum of six (6) generations
      with no `other' racial admixture]

      --"White"
      --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
      --Full=64/64 + 64/64
      [Full=a minimum of six (6) generations
      with no `other' racial admixture]

      **QUOTE: **

      "[The group commonly referred to as]
      "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
      percent of White admixture" in their genes"

      http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html
      http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-6864586-
      0680739?v=glance
      http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-
      description/0520228731/ref=dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
      5Fencoding=UTF8&n=283155

      'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
      admixture found within this group should also
      always be taken note of and remembered.'

      www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html
      http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
      http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
      http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
      board=physanth&action=display&num=1087461625
      http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html
    • john
      Colored or coloured covers all mixed types. multiracialbookclub wrote:**Defintion of Colored or Of Color A person of a racial group
      Message 2 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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        Colored or coloured covers all mixed types.

        multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:
        **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

        "A person of a racial group
        that is not regarded as 'white'.

        A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

        Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

        **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

        (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
        people / "multi"-racial)

        a) Classification
        b) Mixture
        c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

        --"Mango"
        --Sambo and Black
        --7/8 full-"black" blood

        -- "Zambo"
        --Mulatto and Black
        --3/4 full-"black" blood

        -- "Cascos"
        --Mulatto and Mulatto
        --1/2 full-"black" blood

        -- "Mulatto"
        --Black and White
        --1/2 "full-"black" blood

        -- "Quadroon"
        --Mulatto and White
        --1/4 full-"black" blood

        -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
        --Quadroon and White
        --1/8 full-"black" blood

        -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
        --Octoroon / Mustee and White
        --1/16 full-"black" blood

        -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
        --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
        --1/32 full-"black" blood

        SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

        **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

        --"Negro"
        --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
        --Full=64/64 + 64/64
        [Full=a minimum of six (6) generations
        with no `other' racial admixture]

        --"White"
        --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
        --Full=64/64 + 64/64
        [Full=a minimum of six (6) generations
        with no `other' racial admixture]

        **QUOTE: **

        "[The group commonly referred to as]
        "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
        percent of White admixture" in their genes"

        http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html
        http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-6864586-
        0680739?v=glance
        http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-
        description/0520228731/ref=dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
        5Fencoding=UTF8&n=283155

        'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
        admixture found within this group should also
        always be taken note of and remembered.'

        www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html
        http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
        http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
        http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
        board=physanth&action=display&num=1087461625
        http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html





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      • multiracialbookclub
        Agreed! In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com, john wrote: Colored or coloured covers all mixed types. multiracialbookclub
        Message 3 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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          Agreed!

          In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
          john <reddgold_32@y...> wrote:

          Colored or coloured covers all mixed types.

          multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

          **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

          "A person of a racial group
          that is not regarded as 'white'.

          A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

          Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

          **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

          (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
          people / "multi"-racial)

          a) Classification
          b) Mixture
          c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

          --"Mango"
          --Sambo and Black
          --7/8 full-"black" blood

          -- "Zambo"
          --Mulatto and Black
          --3/4 full-"black" blood

          -- "Cascos"
          --Mulatto and Mulatto
          --1/2 full-"black" blood

          -- "Mulatto"
          --Black and White
          --1/2 "full-"black" blood

          -- "Quadroon"
          --Mulatto and White
          --1/4 full-"black" blood

          -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
          --Quadroon and White
          --1/8 full-"black" blood

          -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
          --Octoroon / Mustee and White
          --1/16 full-"black" blood

          -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
          --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
          --1/32 full-"black" blood

          SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

          **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

          --"Negro"
          --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
          --Full=64/64 + 64/64
          [Full=a minimum of six (6) generations
          with no `other' racial admixture]

          --"White"
          --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
          --Full=64/64 + 64/64
          [Full=a minimum of six (6) generations
          with no `other' racial admixture]

          **QUOTE: **

          "[The group commonly referred to as]
          "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
          percent of White admixture" in their genes"

          http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html
          http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-6864586-
          0680739?v=glance
          http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-
          description/0520228731/ref=dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
          5Fencoding=UTF8&n=283155

          'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
          admixture found within this group should also
          always be taken note of and remembered.'

          www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html
          http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
          http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
          http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
          board=physanth&action=display&num=1087461625
          http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html
        • sudoangel2000
          I know that you posted these articles for informational reasons but here I have to go against the grain. I find that the multitude of names created for mixed
          Message 4 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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            I know that you posted these articles for informational reasons
            but here I have to go against the grain. I find that the
            multitude of names created for mixed race people unflattering.

            The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

            "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it derives from the
            Spanish word Mula, mule; literally the sterile hybrid offspring
            resulting from the crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
            Another possible origin is in the Arabic word Mwallad."

            Source:

            http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

            Is not something I think people would want to call
            themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

            If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
            with a person that has some degree of African (black)
            blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

            These definitions do not take into consideration, and I'm glad they
            don't, the multitude of mixed lineage outside these guidelines.

            I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

            Also, those who have study art know that white and black are
            hues when mixed with other "colors" creates a new color.
            That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
            how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

            --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
            "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

            **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

            "A person of a racial group
            that is not regarded as 'white'.

            A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

            Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

            **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

            (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
            people / "multi"-racial)

            a) Classification
            b) Mixture
            c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

            --"Mango"
            --Zambo and Black
            --7/8 full-"black" blood

            -- "Zambo"
            --Mulatto and Black
            --3/4 full-"black" blood

            -- "Cascos"
            --Mulatto and Mulatto
            --1/2 full-"black" blood

            -- "Mulatto"
            --Black and White
            --1/2 "full-"black" blood

            -- "Quadroon"
            --Mulatto and White
            --1/4 full-"black" blood

            -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
            --Quadroon and White
            --1/8 full-"black" blood

            -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
            --Octoroon / Mustee and White
            --1/16 full-"black" blood

            -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
            --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
            --1/32 full-"black" blood

            SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

            **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

            --"Negro"
            --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
            --Full=64/64 + 64/64
            [Full=a minimum of six (6) generations
            with no `other' racial admixture]

            --"White"
            --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
            --Full=64/64 + 64/64
            [Full=a minimum of six (6) generations
            with no `other' racial admixture]

            **QUOTE: **

            "[The group commonly referred to as]
            "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
            percent of White admixture" in their genes"

            http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html
            http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
            6864586-
            0680739?v=glance
            http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-
            description/0520228731/ref=dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
            5Fencoding=UTF8&n=283155

            'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
            admixture found within this group should also
            always be taken note of and remembered.'

            www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html
            http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
            http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
            http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
            board=physanth&action=display&num=1087461625
            http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html
          • multiracialbookclub
            Hi, Actually ... I don t think the expression that you have given in regards to your opinion on this topic is going against the grain at all – and I m
            Message 5 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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              Hi,

              Actually ... I don't think the expression that you have given
              in regards to your opinion on this topic is "going against the
              grain" at all – and I'm really glad that you shared it (as, one
              of the reasons I posted the data was to get member feedback.)

              In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has been
              as much a topic of discussion among those of us
              who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
              and cultural groups found around the world.

              Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
              that most of these terms are both outmoded and
              have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
              generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
              if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
              I may (or may not) break things down for them.

              What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
              Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
              coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
              in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
              pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

              :D

              In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
              "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

              I know that you posted these articles for informational
              reasons but here I have to go against the grain.
              I find that the multitude of names
              created for mixed race people unflattering.

              The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

              "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it derives from the
              Spanish word Mula, mule; literally the sterile hybrid offspring
              resulting from the crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
              Another possible origin is in the Arabic word Mwallad."

              Source:

              http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

              Is not something I think people would want to call
              themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

              If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
              with a person that has some degree of African (black)
              blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

              These definitions do not take into consideration, and I'm glad they
              don't, the multitude of mixed lineage outside these guidelines.

              I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

              Also, those who have study art know that white and black are
              hues when mixed with other "colors" creates a new color.
              That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
              how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

              --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
              "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

              **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

              "A person of a racial group
              that is not regarded as 'white'.

              A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

              Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

              **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

              (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
              people / "multi"-racial)

              a) Classification
              b) Mixture
              c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

              --"Mango"
              --Zambo and Black
              --7/8 full-"black" blood

              -- "Zambo"
              --Mulatto and Black
              --3/4 full-"black" blood

              -- "Cascos"
              --Mulatto and Mulatto
              --1/2 full-"black" blood

              -- "Mulatto"
              --Black and White
              --1/2 "full-"black" blood

              -- "Quadroon"
              --Mulatto and White
              --1/4 full-"black" blood

              -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
              --Quadroon and White
              --1/8 full-"black" blood

              -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
              --Octoroon / Mustee and White
              --1/16 full-"black" blood

              -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
              --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
              --1/32 full-"black" blood

              SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

              **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

              --"Negro"
              --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
              --Full=d/64 + 64/64
              [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
              with no `other' racial admixture]

              --"White"
              --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
              --Full=d/64 + 64/64
              [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
              with no `other' racial admixture]

              **QUOTE: **

              "[The group commonly referred to as]
              "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
              percent of White admixture" in their genes"

              http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html
              http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
              6864586-
              0680739?v==glance
              http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-
              description/0520228731/ref==dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
              5Fencoding==UTF8&n=(3155

              'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
              admixture found within this group should also
              always be taken note of and remembered.'

              www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html
              http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
              http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
              http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
              board==physanth&action==display&num=87461625
              http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html
            • multiracialbookclub
              Links to some related resources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terms_for_multiraciality http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiracial In
              Message 6 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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                Links to some related resources:

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terms_for_multiraciality
                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiracial

                In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                Hi,

                Actually ... I don't think the expression that you have given
                in regards to your opinion on this topic is "going against the
                grain" at all – and I'm really glad that you shared it (as, one
                of the reasons I posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has been
                as much a topic of discussion among those of us
                who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                and cultural groups found around the world.

                Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                :D

                In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                I know that you posted these articles for informational
                reasons but here I have to go against the grain.
                I find that the multitude of names
                created for mixed race people unflattering.

                The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it derives from the
                Spanish word Mula, mule; literally the sterile hybrid offspring
                resulting from the crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                Another possible origin is in the Arabic word Mwallad."

                Source:

                http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                Is not something I think people would want to call
                themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
                with a person that has some degree of African (black)
                blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                These definitions do not take into consideration, and I'm glad they
                don't, the multitude of mixed lineage outside these guidelines.

                I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                Also, those who have study art know that white and black are
                hues when mixed with other "colors" creates a new color.
                That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                "A person of a racial group
                that is not regarded as 'white'.

                A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                people / "multi"-racial)

                a) Classification
                b) Mixture
                c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                --"Mango"
                --Zambo and Black
                --7/8 full-"black" blood

                -- "Zambo"
                --Mulatto and Black
                --3/4 full-"black" blood

                -- "Cascos"
                --Mulatto and Mulatto
                --1/2 full-"black" blood

                -- "Mulatto"
                --Black and White
                --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                -- "Quadroon"
                --Mulatto and White
                --1/4 full-"black" blood

                -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                --Quadroon and White
                --1/8 full-"black" blood

                -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                --1/16 full-"black" blood

                -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                --1/32 full-"black" blood

                SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                --"Negro"
                --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                --Full=64/64 + 64/64
                [Full=a minimum of six (6) generations
                with no `other' racial admixture]

                --"White"
                --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                --Full=64/64 + 64/64
                [Full=a minimum of six (6) generations
                with no `other' racial admixture]

                **QUOTE: **

                "[The group commonly referred to as]
                "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html
                http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
                6864586-
                0680739?v=glance
                http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-
                description/0520228731/ref=dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                5Fencoding=UTF8&n=283155

                'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                admixture found within this group should also
                always be taken note of and remembered.'

                www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html
                http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
                http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
                http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
                board=physanth&action=display&num=1087461625
                http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html
              • john
                Yep it covers everything like me,I am a sambo/mango.Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.Those names are outdated to me.Those names such as
                Message 7 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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                  Yep it covers everything like me,I am a sambo/mango.Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.Those names are outdated to me.Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife applies to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.When there was a pure black and a pure white.These days there are no pure anything.especially in america.It is a big melting pot.I rather be called coloured because it includes all mixes from mango to octaroon and mustifino.The word coloured are actually ment for people of mixed blood like us.It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.It has a totally different meaning once you leave america.

                  multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:
                  Hi,

                  Actually ... I don't think the expression that you have given
                  in regards to your opinion on this topic is "going against the
                  grain" at all – and I'm really glad that you shared it (as, one
                  of the reasons I posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                  In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has been
                  as much a topic of discussion among those of us
                  who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                  and cultural groups found around the world.

                  Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                  that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                  have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                  generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                  if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                  I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                  What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                  Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                  coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                  in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                  pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                  :D

                  In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                  "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                  I know that you posted these articles for informational
                  reasons but here I have to go against the grain.
                  I find that the multitude of names
                  created for mixed race people unflattering.

                  The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                  "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it derives from the
                  Spanish word Mula, mule; literally the sterile hybrid offspring
                  resulting from the crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                  Another possible origin is in the Arabic word Mwallad."

                  Source:

                  http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                  Is not something I think people would want to call
                  themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                  If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
                  with a person that has some degree of African (black)
                  blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                  These definitions do not take into consideration, and I'm glad they
                  don't, the multitude of mixed lineage outside these guidelines.

                  I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                  Also, those who have study art know that white and black are
                  hues when mixed with other "colors" creates a new color.
                  That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                  how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                  --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                  "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                  **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                  "A person of a racial group
                  that is not regarded as 'white'.

                  A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                  Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                  **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                  (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                  people / "multi"-racial)

                  a) Classification
                  b) Mixture
                  c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                  --"Mango"
                  --Zambo and Black
                  --7/8 full-"black" blood

                  -- "Zambo"
                  --Mulatto and Black
                  --3/4 full-"black" blood

                  -- "Cascos"
                  --Mulatto and Mulatto
                  --1/2 full-"black" blood

                  -- "Mulatto"
                  --Black and White
                  --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                  -- "Quadroon"
                  --Mulatto and White
                  --1/4 full-"black" blood

                  -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                  --Quadroon and White
                  --1/8 full-"black" blood

                  -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                  --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                  --1/16 full-"black" blood

                  -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                  --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                  --1/32 full-"black" blood

                  SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                  **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                  --"Negro"
                  --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                  --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                  [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                  with no `other' racial admixture]

                  --"White"
                  --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                  --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                  [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                  with no `other' racial admixture]

                  **QUOTE: **

                  "[The group commonly referred to as]
                  "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                  percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                  http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html
                  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
                  6864586-
                  0680739?v==glance
                  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-
                  description/0520228731/ref==dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                  5Fencoding==UTF8&n=(3155

                  'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                  admixture found within this group should also
                  always be taken note of and remembered.'

                  www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html
                  http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
                  http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
                  http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
                  board==physanth&action==display&num=87461625
                  http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html






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                • j s
                  I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie. Though really in my case Melungeon or triracial is probably
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                    I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                    hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie.

                    Though really in my case Melungeon or
                    triracial is probably the most accurate

                    --- john <reddgold_32@...> wrote:

                    Yep it covers everything
                    like me,I am a sambo/mango.
                    Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.
                    Those names are outdated to me.
                    Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife
                    applies to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.
                    When there was a pure black and a pure white.
                    These days there are no pure anything.
                    especially in america.
                    It is a big melting pot.
                    I rather be called coloured because it includes
                    all mixes from mango to octaroon and mustifino.
                    The word coloured are actually ment
                    for people of mixed blood like us.
                    It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.
                    It has a totally different meaning once you leave america.

                    multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                    Hi,

                    Actually ... I don't think the expression that you
                    have given in regards to your opinion on this topic
                    is "going against the grain" at all – and I'm really
                    glad that you shared it (as, one of the reasons I
                    posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                    In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has
                    been as much a topic of discussion among those of us
                    who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                    and cultural groups found around the world.

                    Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                    that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                    have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                    generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                    if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                    I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                    What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                    Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                    coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                    in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                    pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                    :D

                    In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                    "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                    I know that you posted these articles for informational
                    reasons but here I have to go against the grain.
                    I find that the multitude of names
                    created for mixed race people unflattering.

                    The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                    "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it
                    derives from the Spanish word Mula, mule; literally
                    the sterile hybrid offspring resulting from the
                    crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                    Another possible origin is in the Arabic word
                    Mwallad."

                    Source:

                    http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                    Is not something I think people would want to call
                    themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                    If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
                    with a person that has some degree of African (black)
                    blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                    These definitions do not take into consideration,
                    and I'm glad they don't, the multitude of mixed
                    lineage outside these guidelines.

                    I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                    Also, those who have study art know that white
                    and black are hues when mixed with
                    other "colors" creates a new color.

                    That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                    how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                    --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                    "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                    **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                    "A person of a racial group
                    that is not regarded as 'white'.

                    A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                    Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                    **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                    (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                    people / "multi"-racial)

                    a) Classification
                    b) Mixture
                    c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                    --"Mango"
                    --Zambo and Black
                    --7/8 full-"black" blood

                    -- "Zambo"
                    --Mulatto and Black
                    --3/4 full-"black" blood

                    -- "Cascos"
                    --Mulatto and Mulatto
                    --1/2 full-"black" blood

                    -- "Mulatto"
                    --Black and White
                    --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                    -- "Quadroon"
                    --Mulatto and White
                    --1/4 full-"black" blood

                    -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                    --Quadroon and White
                    --1/8 full-"black" blood

                    -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                    --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                    --1/16 full-"black" blood

                    -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                    --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                    --1/32 full-"black" blood

                    SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                    **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                    --"Negro"
                    --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                    --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                    [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                    with no `other' racial admixture]

                    --"White"
                    --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                    --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                    [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                    with no `other' racial admixture]

                    **QUOTE: **

                    "[The group commonly referred to as]
                    "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                    percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                    http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html

                    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
                    6864586-
                    0680739?v==glance
                    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-

                    description/0520228731/ref==dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                    5Fencoding==UTF8&n=(3155

                    'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                    admixture found within this group should also
                    always be taken note of and remembered.'

                    www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html

                    http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
                    http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
                    http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
                    board==physanth&action==display&num= 87461625

                    http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html
                  • multiracialbookclub
                    [John wrote: The word coloured are actually ment for people of mixed blood like us. It doesn t mean black negro like in the usa ] My Reply: Thanks for sharing
                    Message 9 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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                      [John wrote:
                      "The word coloured are actually ment
                      for people of mixed blood like us.
                      It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa"]

                      My Reply:

                      Thanks for sharing this comment John.

                      The only thing I wanted to add was that …
                      actually -- in the US, the term "colored"
                      'traditionally' also meant 'mixed-raced'.

                      It was applied to any person or group that was commonly
                      known to or seen as having a racially-admixed lineage.

                      In fact, the largely MGM-Mixed 'ethnic' group currenlty
                      referred to by the misnomered term 'African-American'
                      was previously simply referred to as being "colored" in
                      acknowledgement of their tri-racial ancestral lineage.

                      During the 'black'-power/pan-Africanism
                      "political identification" movement of
                      the 1960's, it became both in vogue
                      (and thus, of course, was also erroneously
                      considered to be quite 'politically correct')
                      to refer to this largely MGM-Mixed 'ethnic' group
                      by a well-noticed term of "political identification"
                      (that was becoming popular among some of it's youth).

                      During this time -- the term "black" (which was simply a
                      slang term for. 'pan-Africanism') – became the `hip' (and
                      erroneous) term to use in reference to `race' for this largely
                      MGM-Mixed 'ethnic' group despite the fact that their actual
                      "racial admixture", was and still is colored" (i.e. "mixed").

                      The United States is so shamefully both ignorant of and yet,
                      somehow, totally infatuated with the racist one-drop rule
                      that, today --- thanks in large part to society insisting
                      on identifying them by an outmoded term of "political
                      identification" from the 1960's (i.e. the term "black") ---
                      that many people are under the false impression that this
                      largely MGM-Mixed `ethnic' group is no longer "colored"
                      (i.e. `multi'-racial) but, instead has somehow magically
                      eradicated +430 years of racially admixed ancestry
                      and in a mere 40 or so years somehow managed
                      to become `mono' racial (i.e. 'black' raced).

                      It's crazy how both politicians and the media are able to
                      manipulate the concept of "political identification" and
                      somehow falsely claim that it means "racial admixture".

                      Thanks again for sharing John. :D

                      In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                      john <reddgold_32@y...> wrote:

                      Yep it covers everything like me,I am a sambo/mango.Now it is
                      rediculous for me to describe myself as such.Those names are outdated
                      to me.Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife applies
                      to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.When there was a
                      pure black and a pure white.These days there are no pure
                      anything.especially in america.It is a big melting pot.I rather be
                      called coloured because it includes all mixes from mango to octaroon
                      and mustifino.The word coloured are actually ment for people of mixed
                      blood like us.It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.It has a
                      totally different meaning once you leave america.

                      multiracialbookclub
                      <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                      Hi,

                      Actually ... I don't think the expression that you have given
                      in regards to your opinion on this topic is "going against the
                      grain" at all – and I'm really glad that you shared it (as, one
                      of the reasons I posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                      In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has been
                      as much a topic of discussion among those of us
                      who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                      and cultural groups found around the world.

                      Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                      that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                      have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                      generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                      if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                      I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                      What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                      Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                      coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                      in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                      pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                      :D

                      In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                      "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                      I know that you posted these articles for informational
                      reasons but here I have to go against the grain.
                      I find that the multitude of names
                      created for mixed race people unflattering.

                      The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                      "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it derives from the
                      Spanish word Mula, mule; literally the sterile hybrid offspring
                      resulting from the crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                      Another possible origin is in the Arabic word Mwallad."

                      Source:

                      http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                      Is not something I think people would want to call
                      themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                      If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
                      with a person that has some degree of African (black)
                      blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                      These definitions do not take into consideration, and I'm glad they
                      don't, the multitude of mixed lineage outside these guidelines.

                      I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                      Also, those who have study art know that white and black are
                      hues when mixed with other "colors" creates a new color.
                      That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                      how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                      --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                      "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                      **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                      "A person of a racial group
                      that is not regarded as 'white'.

                      A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                      Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                      **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                      (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                      people / "multi"-racial)

                      a) Classification
                      b) Mixture
                      c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                      --"Mango"
                      --Zambo and Black
                      --7/8 full-"black" blood

                      -- "Zambo"
                      --Mulatto and Black
                      --3/4 full-"black" blood

                      -- "Cascos"
                      --Mulatto and Mulatto
                      --1/2 full-"black" blood

                      -- "Mulatto"
                      --Black and White
                      --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                      -- "Quadroon"
                      --Mulatto and White
                      --1/4 full-"black" blood

                      -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                      --Quadroon and White
                      --1/8 full-"black" blood

                      -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                      --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                      --1/16 full-"black" blood

                      -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                      --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                      --1/32 full-"black" blood

                      SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                      **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                      --"Negro"
                      --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                      --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                      [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                      with no `other' racial admixture]

                      --"White"
                      --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                      --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                      [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                      with no `other' racial admixture]

                      **QUOTE: **

                      "[The group commonly referred to as]
                      "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                      percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                      http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html
                      http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
                      6864586-
                      0680739?v==glance
                      http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-
                      description/0520228731/ref==dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                      5Fencoding==UTF8&n=(3155

                      'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                      admixture found within this group should also
                      always be taken note of and remembered.'

                      www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html
                      http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
                      http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
                      http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
                      board==physanth&action==display&num=87461625
                      http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html
                    • j s
                      I suppose there was also an intent when originally making these designations to indicate the appearance of the person (at least give an indication based on
                      Message 10 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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                        I suppose there was also an intent when originally
                        making these designations to indicate the appearance
                        of the person (at least give an indication based
                        on admixture), as quadroon and octoroon had a
                        perceived appearance compared to full black.
                        One would then also assume the person seeing
                        "sang mele" or Mustifino would assume the
                        person to appear basically white looking.

                        --- john <reddgold_32@...> wrote:

                        Colored or coloured covers all mixed types.

                        multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                        **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                        "A person of a racial group
                        that is not regarded as 'white'.

                        A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                        Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                        **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                        (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                        people / "multi"-racial)

                        a) Classification
                        b) Mixture
                        c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                        --"Mango"
                        --Sambo and Black
                        --7/8 full-"black" blood

                        -- "Zambo"
                        --Mulatto and Black
                        --3/4 full-"black" blood

                        -- "Cascos"
                        --Mulatto and Mulatto
                        --1/2 full-"black" blood

                        -- "Mulatto"
                        --Black and White
                        --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                        -- "Quadroon"
                        --Mulatto and White
                        --1/4 full-"black" blood

                        -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                        --Quadroon and White
                        --1/8 full-"black" blood

                        -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                        --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                        --1/16 full-"black" blood

                        -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                        --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                        --1/32 full-"black" blood

                        SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                        **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                        --"Negro"
                        --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                        --Full=64/64 + 64/64
                        [Full=a minimum of six (6) generations
                        with no `other' racial admixture]

                        --"White"
                        --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                        --Full=64/64 + 64/64
                        [Full=a minimum of six (6) generations
                        with no `other' racial admixture]

                        **QUOTE: **

                        "[The group commonly referred to as]
                        "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                        percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                        http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html

                        http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-6864586-
                        0680739?v=glance
                        http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-

                        description/0520228731/ref=dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                        5Fencoding=UTF8&n=283155

                        'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                        admixture found within this group should also
                        always be taken note of and remembered.'

                        www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html

                        http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
                        http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
                        http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
                        board=physanth&action=display&num=1087461625

                        http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html
                      • donnell lattimore
                        sup creole science j s wrote:I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie.
                        Message 11 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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                          sup creole science

                          j s <creolescience@...> wrote:
                          I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                          hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie.

                          Though really in my case Melungeon or
                          triracial is probably the most accurate

                          --- john <reddgold_32@...> wrote:

                          Yep it covers everything
                          like me,I am a sambo/mango.
                          Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.
                          Those names are outdated to me.
                          Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife
                          applies to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.
                          When there was a pure black and a pure white.
                          These days there are no pure anything.
                          especially in america.
                          It is a big melting pot.
                          I rather be called coloured because it includes
                          all mixes from mango to octaroon and mustifino.
                          The word coloured are actually ment
                          for people of mixed blood like us.
                          It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.
                          It has a totally different meaning once you leave america.

                          multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                          Hi,

                          Actually ... I don't think the expression that you
                          have given in regards to your opinion on this topic
                          is "going against the grain" at all – and I'm really
                          glad that you shared it (as, one of the reasons I
                          posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                          In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has
                          been as much a topic of discussion among those of us
                          who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                          and cultural groups found around the world.

                          Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                          that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                          have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                          generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                          if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                          I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                          What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                          Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                          coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                          in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                          pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                          :D

                          In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                          "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                          I know that you posted these articles for informational
                          reasons but here I have to go against the grain.
                          I find that the multitude of names
                          created for mixed race people unflattering.

                          The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                          "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it
                          derives from the Spanish word Mula, mule; literally
                          the sterile hybrid offspring resulting from the
                          crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                          Another possible origin is in the Arabic word
                          Mwallad."

                          Source:

                          http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                          Is not something I think people would want to call
                          themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                          If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
                          with a person that has some degree of African (black)
                          blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                          These definitions do not take into consideration,
                          and I'm glad they don't, the multitude of mixed
                          lineage outside these guidelines.

                          I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                          Also, those who have study art know that white
                          and black are hues when mixed with
                          other "colors" creates a new color.

                          That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                          how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                          --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                          "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                          **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                          "A person of a racial group
                          that is not regarded as 'white'.

                          A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                          Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                          **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                          (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                          people / "multi"-racial)

                          a) Classification
                          b) Mixture
                          c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                          --"Mango"
                          --Zambo and Black
                          --7/8 full-"black" blood

                          -- "Zambo"
                          --Mulatto and Black
                          --3/4 full-"black" blood

                          -- "Cascos"
                          --Mulatto and Mulatto
                          --1/2 full-"black" blood

                          -- "Mulatto"
                          --Black and White
                          --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                          -- "Quadroon"
                          --Mulatto and White
                          --1/4 full-"black" blood

                          -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                          --Quadroon and White
                          --1/8 full-"black" blood

                          -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                          --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                          --1/16 full-"black" blood

                          -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                          --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                          --1/32 full-"black" blood

                          SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                          **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                          --"Negro"
                          --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                          --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                          [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                          with no `other' racial admixture]

                          --"White"
                          --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                          --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                          [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                          with no `other' racial admixture]

                          **QUOTE: **

                          "[The group commonly referred to as]
                          "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                          percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                          http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html

                          http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
                          6864586-
                          0680739?v==glance
                          http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-

                          description/0520228731/ref==dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                          5Fencoding==UTF8&n=(3155

                          'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                          admixture found within this group should also
                          always be taken note of and remembered.'

                          www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html

                          http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
                          http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
                          http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
                          board==physanth&action==display&num= 87461625

                          http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html



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                        • multiracialbookclub
                          LOL ... so ... are you saying macaroons are *not* a type or racial admixture? :D ... j s wrote: I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc
                          Message 12 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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                            LOL ... so ... are you saying 'macaroons'
                            are *not* a 'type' or racial admixture? :D

                            --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                            j s <creolescience@y...> wrote:

                            I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                            hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie.

                            Though really in my case Melungeon or
                            triracial is probably the most accurate

                            --- john <reddgold_32@...> wrote:

                            Yep it covers everything
                            like me,I am a sambo/mango.
                            Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.
                            Those names are outdated to me.
                            Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife
                            applies to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.
                            When there was a pure black and a pure white.
                            These days there are no pure anything.
                            especially in america.
                            It is a big melting pot.
                            I rather be called coloured because it includes
                            all mixes from mango to octaroon and mustifino.
                            The word coloured are actually ment
                            for people of mixed blood like us.
                            It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.
                            It has a totally different meaning once you leave america.

                            multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                            Hi,

                            Actually ... I don't think the expression that you
                            have given in regards to your opinion on this topic
                            is "going against the grain" at all – and I'm really
                            glad that you shared it (as, one of the reasons I
                            posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                            In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has
                            been as much a topic of discussion among those of us
                            who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                            and cultural groups found around the world.

                            Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                            that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                            have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                            generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                            if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                            I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                            What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                            Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                            coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                            in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                            pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                            :D

                            In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                            "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                            I know that you posted these articles for informational
                            reasons but here I have to go against the grain.
                            I find that the multitude of names
                            created for mixed race people unflattering.

                            The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                            "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it
                            derives from the Spanish word Mula, mule; literally
                            the sterile hybrid offspring resulting from the
                            crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                            Another possible origin is in the Arabic word
                            Mwallad."

                            Source:

                            http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                            Is not something I think people would want to call
                            themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                            If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
                            with a person that has some degree of African (black)
                            blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                            These definitions do not take into consideration,
                            and I'm glad they don't, the multitude of mixed
                            lineage outside these guidelines.

                            I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                            Also, those who have study art know that white
                            and black are hues when mixed with
                            other "colors" creates a new color.

                            That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                            how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                            --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                            "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                            **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                            "A person of a racial group
                            that is not regarded as 'white'.

                            A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                            Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                            **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                            (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                            people / "multi"-racial)

                            a) Classification
                            b) Mixture
                            c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                            --"Mango"
                            --Zambo and Black
                            --7/8 full-"black" blood

                            -- "Zambo"
                            --Mulatto and Black
                            --3/4 full-"black" blood

                            -- "Cascos"
                            --Mulatto and Mulatto
                            --1/2 full-"black" blood

                            -- "Mulatto"
                            --Black and White
                            --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                            -- "Quadroon"
                            --Mulatto and White
                            --1/4 full-"black" blood

                            -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                            --Quadroon and White
                            --1/8 full-"black" blood

                            -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                            --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                            --1/16 full-"black" blood

                            -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                            --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                            --1/32 full-"black" blood

                            SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                            **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                            --"Negro"
                            --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                            --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                            [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                            with no `other' racial admixture]

                            --"White"
                            --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                            --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                            [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                            with no `other' racial admixture]

                            **QUOTE: **

                            "[The group commonly referred to as]
                            "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                            percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                            http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html

                            http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
                            6864586-
                            0680739?v==glance
                            http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-

                            description/0520228731/ref==dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                            5Fencoding==UTF8&n=(3155

                            'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                            admixture found within this group should also
                            always be taken note of and remembered.'

                            www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html

                            http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
                            http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
                            http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
                            board==physanth&action==display&num= 87461625

                            http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html
                          • j s
                            I m sure I know you - care to jog my aged memory? ... sup creole science j s wrote: I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                            Message 13 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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                              I'm sure I know you - care to jog my aged memory?

                              --- donnell lattimore <caramelkid1010@...> wrote:

                              sup creole science

                              j s <creolescience@...> wrote:

                              I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                              hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie.

                              Though really in my case Melungeon or
                              triracial is probably the most accurate

                              --- john <reddgold_32@...> wrote:

                              Yep it covers everything
                              like me,I am a sambo/mango.
                              Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.
                              Those names are outdated to me.
                              Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife
                              applies to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.
                              When there was a pure black and a pure white.
                              These days there are no pure anything.
                              especially in america.
                              It is a big melting pot.
                              I rather be called coloured because it includes
                              all mixes from mango to octaroon and mustifino.
                              The word coloured are actually ment
                              for people of mixed blood like us.
                              It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.
                              It has a totally different meaning once you leave
                              america.

                              multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                              Hi,

                              Actually ... I don't think the expression that you
                              have given in regards to your opinion on this topic
                              is "going against the grain" at all – and I'm really

                              glad that you shared it (as, one of the reasons I
                              posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                              In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has
                              been as much a topic of discussion among those of us

                              who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                              and cultural groups found around the world.

                              Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                              that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                              have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                              generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                              if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                              I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                              What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                              Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                              coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                              in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                              pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                              :D

                              In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                              "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                              I know that you posted these articles for informational
                              reasons but here I have to go against the grain.

                              I find that the multitude of names created
                              for mixed race people unflattering.

                              The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                              "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it derives from the
                              Spanish word Mula, mule; literally the sterile hybrid offspring
                              resulting from the crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                              Another possible origin is in the Arabic word Mwallad."

                              Source:


                              http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                              Is not something I think people would want to call
                              themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                              If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily
                              deal with a person that has some degree of African
                              (black) blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                              These definitions do not take into consideration,
                              and I'm glad they don't, the multitude of mixed
                              lineage outside these guidelines.

                              I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                              Also, those who have study art know that white
                              and black are hues when mixed with
                              other "colors" creates a new color.

                              That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                              how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                              --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                              "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                              **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                              "A person of a racial group
                              that is not regarded as 'white'.

                              A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                              Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                              **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                              (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                              people / "multi"-racial)

                              a) Classification
                              b) Mixture
                              c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                              --"Mango"
                              --Zambo and Black
                              --7/8 full-"black" blood

                              -- "Zambo"
                              --Mulatto and Black
                              --3/4 full-"black" blood

                              -- "Cascos"
                              --Mulatto and Mulatto
                              --1/2 full-"black" blood

                              -- "Mulatto"
                              --Black and White
                              --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                              -- "Quadroon"
                              --Mulatto and White
                              --1/4 full-"black" blood

                              -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                              --Quadroon and White
                              --1/8 full-"black" blood

                              -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                              --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                              --1/16 full-"black" blood

                              -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                              --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                              --1/32 full-"black" blood

                              SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                              **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                              --"Negro"
                              --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                              --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                              [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                              with no `other' racial admixture]

                              --"White"
                              --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                              --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                              [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                              with no `other' racial admixture]

                              **QUOTE: **

                              "[The group commonly referred to as]
                              "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                              percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                              http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html


                              http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
                              6864586-
                              0680739?v==glance
                              http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-


                              description/0520228731/ref==dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                              5Fencoding==UTF8&n=(3155

                              'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                              admixture found within this group should also
                              always be taken note of and remembered.'

                              www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html
                            • j s
                              speaking of colored here s a south African website for coloreds.: http://bruin-ou.com/aweh/index.php
                              Message 14 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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                                speaking of "colored" here's a
                                south African website for coloreds.:
                                http://bruin-ou.com/aweh/index.php
                              • j s
                                well the coconut IS white. ... LOL ... so ... are you saying macaroons are *not* a type or racial admixture? :D ... j s wrote: I like
                                Message 15 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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                                  well the coconut IS white.

                                  --- multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                                  LOL ... so ... are you saying 'macaroons'
                                  are *not* a 'type' or racial admixture? :D

                                  --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                  j s <creolescience@y...> wrote:

                                  I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                                  hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie.

                                  Though really in my case Melungeon or
                                  triracial is probably the most accurate

                                  --- john <reddgold_32@...> wrote:

                                  Yep it covers everything
                                  like me,I am a sambo/mango.
                                  Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.
                                  Those names are outdated to me.
                                  Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife
                                  applies to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.
                                  When there was a pure black and a pure white.
                                  These days there are no pure anything.
                                  especially in america.
                                  It is a big melting pot.
                                  I rather be called coloured because it includes
                                  all mixes from mango to octaroon and mustifino.
                                  The word coloured are actually ment
                                  for people of mixed blood like us.
                                  It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.
                                  It has a totally different meaning once you leave america.

                                  multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                                  Hi,

                                  Actually ... I don't think the expression that you
                                  have given in regards to your opinion on this topic
                                  is "going against the grain" at all – and I'm really
                                  glad that you shared it (as, one of the reasons I
                                  posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                                  In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has
                                  been as much a topic of discussion among those of us
                                  who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                                  and cultural groups found around the world.

                                  Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                                  that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                                  have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                                  generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                                  if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                                  I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                                  What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                                  Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                                  coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                                  in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                                  pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                                  :D

                                  In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                  "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                                  I know that you posted these articles for informational
                                  reasons but here I have to go against the grain.
                                  I find that the multitude of names
                                  created for mixed race people unflattering.

                                  The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                                  "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it
                                  derives from the Spanish word Mula, mule; literally
                                  the sterile hybrid offspring resulting from the
                                  crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                                  Another possible origin is in the Arabic word
                                  Mwallad."

                                  Source:

                                  http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                                  Is not something I think people would want to call
                                  themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                                  If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
                                  with a person that has some degree of African (black)
                                  blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                                  These definitions do not take into consideration,
                                  and I'm glad they don't, the multitude of mixed
                                  lineage outside these guidelines.

                                  I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                                  Also, those who have study art know that white
                                  and black are hues when mixed with
                                  other "colors" creates a new color.

                                  That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                                  how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                                  --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                  "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                                  **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                                  "A person of a racial group
                                  that is not regarded as 'white'.

                                  A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                                  Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                                  **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                                  (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                                  people / "multi"-racial)

                                  a) Classification
                                  b) Mixture
                                  c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                                  --"Mango"
                                  --Zambo and Black
                                  --7/8 full-"black" blood

                                  -- "Zambo"
                                  --Mulatto and Black
                                  --3/4 full-"black" blood

                                  -- "Cascos"
                                  --Mulatto and Mulatto
                                  --1/2 full-"black" blood

                                  -- "Mulatto"
                                  --Black and White
                                  --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                                  -- "Quadroon"
                                  --Mulatto and White
                                  --1/4 full-"black" blood

                                  -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                                  --Quadroon and White
                                  --1/8 full-"black" blood

                                  -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                                  --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                                  --1/16 full-"black" blood

                                  -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                                  --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                                  --1/32 full-"black" blood

                                  SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                                  **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                                  --"Negro"
                                  --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                                  --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                                  [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                                  with no `other' racial admixture]

                                  --"White"
                                  --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                                  --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                                  [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                                  with no `other' racial admixture]

                                  **QUOTE: **

                                  "[The group commonly referred to as]
                                  "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                                  percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                                  http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html

                                  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
                                  6864586-
                                  0680739?v==glance
                                  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-

                                  description/0520228731/ref==dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                                  5Fencoding==UTF8&n=(3155

                                  'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                                  admixture found within this group should also
                                  always be taken note of and remembered.'

                                  www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html

                                  http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
                                  http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
                                  http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
                                  board==physanth&action==display&num= 87461625

                                  http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html
                                • donnell lattimore
                                  yeah, you know me from mixedfolks j s wrote:I m sure I know you - care to jog my aged memory? ... sup creole science j s
                                  Message 16 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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                                    yeah, you know me from mixedfolks

                                    j s <creolescience@...> wrote:
                                    I'm sure I know you - care to jog my aged memory?

                                    --- donnell lattimore <caramelkid1010@...> wrote:

                                    sup creole science

                                    j s <creolescience@...> wrote:

                                    I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                                    hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie.

                                    Though really in my case Melungeon or
                                    triracial is probably the most accurate

                                    --- john <reddgold_32@...> wrote:

                                    Yep it covers everything
                                    like me,I am a sambo/mango.
                                    Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.
                                    Those names are outdated to me.
                                    Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife
                                    applies to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.
                                    When there was a pure black and a pure white.
                                    These days there are no pure anything.
                                    especially in america.
                                    It is a big melting pot.
                                    I rather be called coloured because it includes
                                    all mixes from mango to octaroon and mustifino.
                                    The word coloured are actually ment
                                    for people of mixed blood like us.
                                    It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.
                                    It has a totally different meaning once you leave
                                    america.

                                    multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                                    Hi,

                                    Actually ... I don't think the expression that you
                                    have given in regards to your opinion on this topic
                                    is "going against the grain" at all – and I'm really

                                    glad that you shared it (as, one of the reasons I
                                    posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                                    In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has
                                    been as much a topic of discussion among those of us

                                    who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                                    and cultural groups found around the world.

                                    Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                                    that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                                    have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                                    generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                                    if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                                    I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                                    What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                                    Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                                    coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                                    in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                                    pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                                    :D

                                    In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                    "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                                    I know that you posted these articles for informational
                                    reasons but here I have to go against the grain. 

                                    I find that the multitude of names created
                                    for mixed race people unflattering.

                                    The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                                    "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it derives from the
                                    Spanish word Mula, mule; literally the sterile hybrid offspring
                                    resulting from the crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                                    Another possible origin is in the Arabic word Mwallad."

                                    Source:


                                    http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                                    Is not something I think people would want to call
                                    themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                                    If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily
                                    deal with a person that has some degree of African
                                    (black) blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                                    These definitions do not take into consideration,
                                    and I'm glad they don't, the multitude of mixed
                                    lineage outside these guidelines.

                                    I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                                    Also, those who have study art know that white
                                    and black are hues when mixed with
                                    other "colors" creates a new color.

                                    That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                                    how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                                    --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                    "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                                    **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                                    "A person of a racial group
                                    that is not regarded as 'white'.

                                    A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                                    Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                                    **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                                    (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                                    people / "multi"-racial)

                                    a) Classification
                                    b) Mixture
                                    c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                                    --"Mango"
                                    --Zambo and Black
                                    --7/8 full-"black" blood

                                    -- "Zambo"
                                    --Mulatto and Black
                                    --3/4 full-"black" blood

                                    -- "Cascos"
                                    --Mulatto and Mulatto
                                    --1/2 full-"black" blood

                                    -- "Mulatto"
                                    --Black and White
                                    --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                                    -- "Quadroon"
                                    --Mulatto and White
                                    --1/4 full-"black" blood

                                    -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                                    --Quadroon and White
                                    --1/8 full-"black" blood

                                    -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                                    --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                                    --1/16 full-"black" blood

                                    -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                                    --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                                    --1/32 full-"black" blood

                                    SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                                    **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                                    --"Negro"
                                    --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                                    --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                                    [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                                    with no `other' racial admixture]

                                    --"White"
                                    --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                                    --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                                    [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                                    with no `other' racial admixture]

                                    **QUOTE: **

                                    "[The group commonly referred to as]
                                    "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                                    percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                                    http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html


                                    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
                                    6864586-
                                    0680739?v==glance
                                    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-


                                    description/0520228731/ref==dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                                    5Fencoding==UTF8&n=(3155

                                    'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                                    admixture found within this group should also
                                    always be taken note of and remembered.'

                                    www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html



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                                  • j s
                                    Thought so - welcome aboard donnell lattimore wrote:yeah, you know me from mixedfolks j s wrote: I m sure
                                    Message 17 of 27 , Aug 2, 2005
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                                      Thought so - welcome aboard

                                      donnell lattimore <caramelkid1010@...> wrote:
                                      yeah, you know me from mixedfolks

                                      j s <creolescience@...> wrote:
                                      I'm sure I know you - care to jog my aged memory?

                                      --- donnell lattimore <caramelkid1010@...> wrote:

                                      sup creole science

                                      j s <creolescience@...> wrote:

                                      I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                                      hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie.

                                      Though really in my case Melungeon or
                                      triracial is probably the most accurate

                                      --- john <reddgold_32@...> wrote:

                                      Yep it covers everything
                                      like me,I am a sambo/mango.
                                      Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.
                                      Those names are outdated to me.
                                      Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife
                                      applies to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.
                                      When there was a pure black and a pure white.
                                      These days there are no pure anything.
                                      especially in america.
                                      It is a big melting pot.
                                      I rather be called coloured because it includes
                                      all mixes from mango to octaroon and mustifino.
                                      The word coloured are actually ment
                                      for people of mixed blood like us.
                                      It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.
                                      It has a totally different meaning once you leave
                                      america.

                                      multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                                      Hi,

                                      Actually ... I don't think the expression that you
                                      have given in regards to your opinion on this topic
                                      is "going against the grain" at all – and I'm really

                                      glad that you shared it (as, one of the reasons I
                                      posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                                      In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has
                                      been as much a topic of discussion among those of us

                                      who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                                      and cultural groups found around the world.

                                      Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                                      that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                                      have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                                      generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                                      if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                                      I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                                      What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                                      Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                                      coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                                      in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                                      pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                                      :D

                                      In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                      "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                                      I know that you posted these articles for informational
                                      reasons but here I have to go against the grain. 

                                      I find that the multitude of names created
                                      for mixed race people unflattering.

                                      The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                                      "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it derives from the
                                      Spanish word Mula, mule; literally the sterile hybrid offspring
                                      resulting from the crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                                      Another possible origin is in the Arabic word Mwallad."

                                      Source:


                                      http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                                      Is not something I think people would want to call
                                      themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                                      If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily
                                      deal with a person that has some degree of African
                                      (black) blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                                      These definitions do not take into consideration,
                                      and I'm glad they don't, the multitude of mixed
                                      lineage outside these guidelines.

                                      I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                                      Also, those who have study art know that white
                                      and black are hues when mixed with
                                      other "colors" creates a new color.

                                      That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                                      how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                                      --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                      "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                                      **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                                      "A person of a racial group
                                      that is not regarded as 'white'.

                                      A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                                      Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                                      **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                                      (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                                      people / "multi"-racial)

                                      a) Classification
                                      b) Mixture
                                      c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                                      --"Mango"
                                      --Zambo and Black
                                      --7/8 full-"black" blood

                                      -- "Zambo"
                                      --Mulatto and Black
                                      --3/4 full-"black" blood

                                      -- "Cascos"
                                      --Mulatto and Mulatto
                                      --1/2 full-"black" blood

                                      -- "Mulatto"
                                      --Black and White
                                      --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                                      -- "Quadroon"
                                      --Mulatto and White
                                      --1/4 full-"black" blood

                                      -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                                      --Quadroon and White
                                      --1/8 full-"black" blood

                                      -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                                      --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                                      --1/16 full-"black" blood

                                      -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                                      --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                                      --1/32 full-"black" blood

                                      SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                                      **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                                      --"Negro"
                                      --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                                      --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                                      [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                                      with no `other' racial admixture]

                                      --"White"
                                      --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                                      --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                                      [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                                      with no `other' racial admixture]

                                      **QUOTE: **

                                      "[The group commonly referred to as]
                                      "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                                      percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                                      http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html


                                      http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
                                      6864586-
                                      0680739?v==glance
                                      http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-


                                      description/0520228731/ref==dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                                      5Fencoding==UTF8&n=(3155

                                      'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                                      admixture found within this group should also
                                      always be taken note of and remembered.'

                                      www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html



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                                    • john
                                      I never herd of quintroon,mamalouc and hexadecaroon before. j s wrote:I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                                      Message 18 of 27 , Aug 3, 2005
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                                        I never herd of quintroon,mamalouc and hexadecaroon before.

                                        j s <creolescience@...> wrote:
                                        I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                                        hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie.

                                        Though really in my case Melungeon or
                                        triracial is probably the most accurate

                                        --- john <reddgold_32@...> wrote:

                                        Yep it covers everything
                                        like me,I am a sambo/mango.
                                        Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.
                                        Those names are outdated to me.
                                        Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife
                                        applies to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.
                                        When there was a pure black and a pure white.
                                        These days there are no pure anything.
                                        especially in america.
                                        It is a big melting pot.
                                        I rather be called coloured because it includes
                                        all mixes from mango to octaroon and mustifino.
                                        The word coloured are actually ment
                                        for people of mixed blood like us.
                                        It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.
                                        It has a totally different meaning once you leave america.

                                        multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                                        Hi,

                                        Actually ... I don't think the expression that you
                                        have given in regards to your opinion on this topic
                                        is "going against the grain" at all – and I'm really
                                        glad that you shared it (as, one of the reasons I
                                        posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                                        In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has
                                        been as much a topic of discussion among those of us
                                        who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                                        and cultural groups found around the world.

                                        Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                                        that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                                        have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                                        generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                                        if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                                        I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                                        What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                                        Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                                        coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                                        in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                                        pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                                        :D

                                        In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                        "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                                        I know that you posted these articles for informational
                                        reasons but here I have to go against the grain.
                                        I find that the multitude of names
                                        created for mixed race people unflattering.

                                        The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                                        "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it
                                        derives from the Spanish word Mula, mule; literally
                                        the sterile hybrid offspring resulting from the
                                        crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                                        Another possible origin is in the Arabic word
                                        Mwallad."

                                        Source:

                                        http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                                        Is not something I think people would want to call
                                        themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                                        If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
                                        with a person that has some degree of African (black)
                                        blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                                        These definitions do not take into consideration,
                                        and I'm glad they don't, the multitude of mixed
                                        lineage outside these guidelines.

                                        I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                                        Also, those who have study art know that white
                                        and black are hues when mixed with
                                        other "colors" creates a new color.

                                        That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                                        how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                                        --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                        "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                                        **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                                        "A person of a racial group
                                        that is not regarded as 'white'.

                                        A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                                        Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                                        **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                                        (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                                        people / "multi"-racial)

                                        a) Classification
                                        b) Mixture
                                        c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                                        --"Mango"
                                        --Zambo and Black
                                        --7/8 full-"black" blood

                                        -- "Zambo"
                                        --Mulatto and Black
                                        --3/4 full-"black" blood

                                        -- "Cascos"
                                        --Mulatto and Mulatto
                                        --1/2 full-"black" blood

                                        -- "Mulatto"
                                        --Black and White
                                        --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                                        -- "Quadroon"
                                        --Mulatto and White
                                        --1/4 full-"black" blood

                                        -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                                        --Quadroon and White
                                        --1/8 full-"black" blood

                                        -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                                        --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                                        --1/16 full-"black" blood

                                        -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                                        --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                                        --1/32 full-"black" blood

                                        SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                                        **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                                        --"Negro"
                                        --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                                        --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                                        [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                                        with no `other' racial admixture]

                                        --"White"
                                        --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                                        --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                                        [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                                        with no `other' racial admixture]

                                        **QUOTE: **

                                        "[The group commonly referred to as]
                                        "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                                        percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                                        http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html

                                        http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
                                        6864586-
                                        0680739?v==glance
                                        http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-

                                        description/0520228731/ref==dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                                        5Fencoding==UTF8&n=(3155

                                        'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                                        admixture found within this group should also
                                        always be taken note of and remembered.'

                                        www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html

                                        http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
                                        http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
                                        http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
                                        board==physanth&action==display&num= 87461625

                                        http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html



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                                      • multiracialbookclub
                                        [[John Reddgold_32@y... wrote: I never herd of quintroon,mamalouc and hexadecaroon before. ]] My reply: That s a good point, John! In fact, many of the
                                        Message 19 of 27 , Aug 3, 2005
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                                          [[John Reddgold_32@y...> wrote:
                                          "I never herd of quintroon,mamalouc and hexadecaroon before."]]

                                          My reply:

                                          That's a good point, John!

                                          In fact, many of the older terms given to `Types' of
                                          `Mixed'-race were derived from a race classification
                                          system that was originally used in the Spanish
                                          and French colonies of the `New World',
                                          and then also later used in the Southern
                                          United States in the 19th century.

                                          As a result, there are many terms were
                                          used in past times with which many,
                                          if not most, of us are not yet familiar.

                                          Research of these terms and their origins is
                                          an interesting study in `New World' history.

                                          Listed below are links to expanded definitons
                                          the terms known as "Quintroon" and "Hexadecaroon".

                                          :D

                                          ********************************
                                          ********************************

                                          A "Quintroon" is the offspring of an Octoroon
                                          and a European parent, having ancestry
                                          that is one-sixteenth African.
                                          The prefix quint- is apparently intended
                                          to mean fifth, as in "fifth-generation,"
                                          A more accurate label was "Hexadecaroon"
                                          (conveying the essence of "one-sixteenth"), but the
                                          latter term was used far less often than "Quintroon".
                                          http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/q/qu/quintroon.html
                                          http://www.free-definition.com/Quintroon.html

                                          An "octoroon" is the offspring of a quadroon
                                          and a European parent, having ancestry
                                          that is one-eighth African.
                                          Octoroons were considered "colored" and often
                                          subject to slavery in the colonial era, but sometimes
                                          given more privileges than slaves with
                                          a greater degree of African ancestry.
                                          The child of an octoroon and a white person
                                          was referred to as a "Quintroon".
                                          http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/o/oc/octoroon.html
                                          http://www.free-definition.com/Octoroon.html

                                          ********************************
                                          ********************************

                                          --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                          john <reddgold_32@y...>
                                          wrote:

                                          I never herd of quintroon,mamalouc and hexadecaroon before.

                                          j s <creolescience@...> wrote:
                                          I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                                          hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie.

                                          Though really in my case Melungeon or
                                          triracial is probably the most accurate

                                          --- john <reddgold_32@...> wrote:

                                          Yep it covers everything
                                          like me,I am a sambo/mango.
                                          Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.
                                          Those names are outdated to me.
                                          Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife
                                          applies to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.
                                          When there was a pure black and a pure white.
                                          These days there are no pure anything.
                                          especially in america.
                                          It is a big melting pot.
                                          I rather be called coloured because it includes
                                          all mixes from mango to octaroon and mustifino.
                                          The word coloured are actually ment
                                          for people of mixed blood like us.
                                          It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.
                                          It has a totally different meaning once you leave america.

                                          multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                                          Hi,

                                          Actually ... I don't think the expression that you
                                          have given in regards to your opinion on this topic
                                          is "going against the grain" at all – and I'm really
                                          glad that you shared it (as, one of the reasons I
                                          posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                                          In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has
                                          been as much a topic of discussion among those of us
                                          who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                                          and cultural groups found around the world.

                                          Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                                          that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                                          have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                                          generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                                          if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                                          I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                                          What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                                          Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                                          coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                                          in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                                          pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                                          :D

                                          In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                          "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                                          I know that you posted these articles for informational
                                          reasons but here I have to go against the grain.
                                          I find that the multitude of names
                                          created for mixed race people unflattering.

                                          The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                                          "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it
                                          derives from the Spanish word Mula, mule; literally
                                          the sterile hybrid offspring resulting from the
                                          crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                                          Another possible origin is in the Arabic word
                                          Mwallad."

                                          Source:

                                          http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                                          Is not something I think people would want to call
                                          themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                                          If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
                                          with a person that has some degree of African (black)
                                          blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                                          These definitions do not take into consideration,
                                          and I'm glad they don't, the multitude of mixed
                                          lineage outside these guidelines.

                                          I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                                          Also, those who have study art know that white
                                          and black are hues when mixed with
                                          other "colors" creates a new color.

                                          That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                                          how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                                          --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                          "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                                          **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                                          "A person of a racial group
                                          that is not regarded as 'white'.

                                          A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                                          Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                                          **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                                          (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                                          people / "multi"-racial)

                                          a) Classification
                                          b) Mixture
                                          c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                                          --"Mango"
                                          --Zambo and Black
                                          --7/8 full-"black" blood

                                          -- "Zambo"
                                          --Mulatto and Black
                                          --3/4 full-"black" blood

                                          -- "Cascos"
                                          --Mulatto and Mulatto
                                          --1/2 full-"black" blood

                                          -- "Mulatto"
                                          --Black and White
                                          --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                                          -- "Quadroon"
                                          --Mulatto and White
                                          --1/4 full-"black" blood

                                          -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                                          --Quadroon and White
                                          --1/8 full-"black" blood

                                          -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                                          --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                                          --1/16 full-"black" blood

                                          -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                                          --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                                          --1/32 full-"black" blood

                                          SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                                          **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                                          --"Negro"
                                          --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                                          --Full==d/64 + 64/64
                                          [Full====a minimum of six (6) generations
                                          with no `other' racial admixture]

                                          --"White"
                                          --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                                          --Full==d/64 + 64/64
                                          [Full====a minimum of six (6) generations
                                          with no `other' racial admixture]

                                          **QUOTE: **

                                          "[The group commonly referred to as]
                                          "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                                          percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                                          http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html

                                          http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-6864586-
                                          0680739?v====glance
                                          http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-
                                          description/0520228731/ref====dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                                          5Fencoding====UTF8&n==(3155

                                          'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                                          admixture found within this group should also
                                          always be taken note of and remembered.'

                                          www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html

                                          http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
                                          http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
                                          http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
                                          board====physanth&action====display&num== 87461625

                                          http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html
                                        • john
                                          Soaptalk how do you feel personally about these definitions.Do you think they devide the mixed community more or bring it together.Please ellaberate!
                                          Message 20 of 27 , Aug 3, 2005
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                                            Soaptalk how do you feel personally about these definitions.Do you think they devide the mixed community more or bring it together.Please ellaberate!

                                            multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:
                                            [[John  Reddgold_32@y...> wrote:
                                            "I never herd of quintroon,mamalouc and hexadecaroon before."]]

                                            My reply:

                                            That's a good point, John!

                                            In fact, many of the older terms given to `Types' of
                                            `Mixed'-race were derived from a race classification
                                            system that was originally used in the Spanish
                                            and French colonies of the `New World',
                                            and then also later used in the Southern
                                            United States in the 19th century.

                                            As a result, there are many terms were
                                            used in past times with which many,
                                            if not most, of us are not yet familiar.

                                            Research of these terms and their origins is
                                            an interesting study in `New World' history.

                                            Listed below are links to expanded definitons
                                            the terms known as "Quintroon" and "Hexadecaroon".

                                            :D

                                            ********************************
                                            ********************************

                                            A "Quintroon" is the offspring of an Octoroon
                                            and a European parent, having ancestry
                                            that is one-sixteenth African.
                                            The prefix quint- is apparently intended
                                            to mean fifth, as in "fifth-generation,"
                                            A more accurate label was "Hexadecaroon"
                                            (conveying the essence of "one-sixteenth"), but the
                                            latter term was used far less often than "Quintroon".
                                            http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/q/qu/quintroon.html
                                            http://www.free-definition.com/Quintroon.html

                                            An "octoroon" is the offspring of a quadroon
                                            and a European parent, having ancestry
                                            that is one-eighth African.
                                            Octoroons were considered "colored" and often
                                            subject to slavery in the colonial era, but sometimes
                                            given more privileges than slaves with
                                            a greater degree of African ancestry.
                                            The child of an octoroon and a white person
                                            was referred to as a "Quintroon".
                                            http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/o/oc/octoroon.html
                                            http://www.free-definition.com/Octoroon.html

                                            ********************************
                                            ********************************

                                            --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                            john <reddgold_32@y...>
                                            wrote:

                                            I never herd of quintroon,mamalouc and hexadecaroon before.

                                            j s <creolescience@...> wrote:
                                            I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                                            hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie.

                                            Though really in my case Melungeon or
                                            triracial is probably the most accurate

                                            --- john <reddgold_32@...> wrote:

                                            Yep it covers everything
                                            like me,I am a sambo/mango.
                                            Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.
                                            Those names are outdated to me.
                                            Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife
                                            applies to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.
                                            When there was a pure black and a pure white.
                                            These days there are no pure anything.
                                            especially in america.
                                            It is a big melting pot.
                                            I rather be called coloured because it includes
                                            all mixes from mango to octaroon and mustifino.
                                            The word coloured are actually ment
                                            for people of mixed blood like us.
                                            It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.
                                            It has a totally different meaning once you leave america.

                                            multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                                            Hi,

                                            Actually ... I don't think the expression that you
                                            have given in regards to your opinion on this topic
                                            is "going against the grain" at all – and I'm really
                                            glad that you shared it (as, one of the reasons I
                                            posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                                            In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has
                                            been as much a topic of discussion among those of us
                                            who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                                            and cultural groups found around the world.

                                            Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                                            that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                                            have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                                            generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                                            if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                                            I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                                            What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                                            Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                                            coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                                            in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                                            pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                                            :D

                                            In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                            "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                                            I know that you posted these articles for informational
                                            reasons but here I have to go against the grain.
                                            I find that the multitude of names
                                            created for mixed race people unflattering.

                                            The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                                            "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it
                                            derives from the Spanish word Mula, mule; literally
                                            the sterile hybrid offspring resulting from the
                                            crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                                            Another possible origin is in the Arabic word
                                            Mwallad."

                                            Source:

                                            http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                                            Is not something I think people would want to call
                                            themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                                            If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
                                            with a person that has some degree of African (black)
                                            blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                                            These definitions do not take into consideration,
                                            and I'm glad they don't, the multitude of mixed
                                            lineage outside these guidelines.

                                            I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                                            Also, those who have study art know that white
                                            and black are hues when mixed with
                                            other "colors" creates a new color.

                                            That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                                            how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                                            --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                            "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                                            **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                                            "A person of a racial group
                                            that is not regarded as 'white'.

                                            A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                                            Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                                            **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                                            (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                                            people / "multi"-racial)

                                            a) Classification
                                            b) Mixture
                                            c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                                            --"Mango"
                                            --Zambo and Black
                                            --7/8 full-"black" blood

                                            -- "Zambo"
                                            --Mulatto and Black
                                            --3/4 full-"black" blood

                                            -- "Cascos"
                                            --Mulatto and Mulatto
                                            --1/2 full-"black" blood

                                            -- "Mulatto"
                                            --Black and White
                                            --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                                            -- "Quadroon"
                                            --Mulatto and White
                                            --1/4 full-"black" blood

                                            -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                                            --Quadroon and White
                                            --1/8 full-"black" blood

                                            -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                                            --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                                            --1/16 full-"black" blood

                                            -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                                            --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                                            --1/32 full-"black" blood

                                            SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                                            **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                                            --"Negro"
                                            --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                                            --Full==d/64 + 64/64
                                            [Full====a minimum of six (6) generations
                                            with no `other' racial admixture]

                                            --"White"
                                            --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                                            --Full==d/64 + 64/64
                                            [Full====a minimum of six (6) generations
                                            with no `other' racial admixture]

                                            **QUOTE: **

                                            "[The group commonly referred to as]
                                            "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                                            percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                                            http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html

                                            http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-6864586-
                                            0680739?v====glance
                                            http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-
                                            description/0520228731/ref====dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                                            5Fencoding====UTF8&n==(3155

                                            'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                                            admixture found within this group should also
                                            always be taken note of and remembered.'

                                            www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html

                                            http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
                                            http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
                                            http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
                                            board====physanth&action====display&num== 87461625

                                            http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html






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                                          • multiracialbookclub
                                            [John wrote: “Soaptalk how do you feel personally about these definitions. Do you think they devide the mixed community more or bring it together. Please
                                            Message 21 of 27 , Aug 3, 2005
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                                              [John wrote:
                                              “Soaptalk how do you feel personally about these definitions.
                                              Do you think they devide the mixed community more or bring it together.
                                              Please ellaberate!”]

                                              My reply:

                                              Well --- personally, I prefer to simply use the rather generic
                                              term “mixed” (in reference to myself, and my ancestral lineage).

                                              However, I do also feel that each individual has both
                                              the right and even the duty to choose whatever
                                              term they feel best describes or defines them.

                                              Many of the terms do tend to date far beyond
                                              the 15th and 16th centuries and would likely be
                                              considered somewhat archaic in today's vernacular.

                                              As a mixed person, however, I feel that it is important
                                              that we know ‘our history’ as well as the terminology
                                              and historical context in which it was developed.

                                              As a result, although (as I noted earlier) many of the
                                              terms may sound archaic (and some may even sound
                                              somewhat ‘controversial’) --- it simply seems to me that
                                              we as mixed people should at least consider maintaining
                                              as much as interest in becoming familiar with them as
                                              we would with the other aspects of the heritage and
                                              history of our own individual family, ethnic or cultures.

                                              It seems that the seeking of more knowledge of and
                                              familiarity with these terms (and the many other aspects
                                              of our heritage) would likely help to bring about a type of
                                              stronger accord –rather than cause divisiveness – among
                                              those who are a part of the “mixed-unity community”.

                                              Just a thought.

                                              Thanks for your inquiry: D


                                              In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                              john <reddgold_32@y...> wrote:

                                              Soaptalk how do you feel
                                              personally about these definitions.
                                              Do you think they devide the mixed
                                              community more or bring it together.
                                              Please ellaberate!

                                              multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:


                                              [[John Reddgold_32@y...> wrote:
                                              "I never herd of quintroon,mamalouc and hexadecaroon before."]]

                                              My reply:

                                              That's a good point, John!

                                              In fact, many of the older terms given to `Types' of
                                              `Mixed'-race were derived from a race classification
                                              system that was originally used in the Spanish
                                              and French colonies of the `New World',
                                              and then also later used in the Southern
                                              United States in the 19th century.

                                              As a result, there are many terms were
                                              used in past times with which many,
                                              if not most, of us are not yet familiar.

                                              Research of these terms and their origins is
                                              an interesting study in `New World' history.

                                              Listed below are links to expanded definitons
                                              the terms known as "Quintroon" and "Hexadecaroon".

                                              :D

                                              ********************************
                                              ********************************

                                              A "Quintroon" is the offspring of an Octoroon
                                              and a European parent, having ancestry
                                              that is one-sixteenth African.
                                              The prefix quint- is apparently intended
                                              to mean fifth, as in "fifth-generation,"
                                              A more accurate label was "Hexadecaroon"
                                              (conveying the essence of "one-sixteenth"), but the
                                              latter term was used far less often than "Quintroon".
                                              http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/q/qu/quintroon.html
                                              http://www.free-definition.com/Quintroon.html

                                              An "octoroon" is the offspring of a quadroon
                                              and a European parent, having ancestry
                                              that is one-eighth African.
                                              Octoroons were considered "colored" and often
                                              subject to slavery in the colonial era, but sometimes
                                              given more privileges than slaves with
                                              a greater degree of African ancestry.
                                              The child of an octoroon and a white person
                                              was referred to as a "Quintroon".
                                              http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/o/oc/octoroon.html
                                              http://www.free-definition.com/Octoroon.html

                                              ********************************
                                              ********************************

                                              --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                              john <reddgold_32@y...> wrote:

                                              I never herd of quintroon,mamalouc and hexadecaroon before.

                                              j s <creolescience@...> wrote:
                                              I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                                              hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie.

                                              Though really in my case Melungeon or
                                              triracial is probably the most accurate

                                              --- john <reddgold_32@...> wrote:

                                              Yep it covers everything
                                              like me,I am a sambo/mango.
                                              Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.
                                              Those names are outdated to me.
                                              Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife
                                              applies to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.
                                              When there was a pure black and a pure white.
                                              These days there are no pure anything.
                                              especially in america.
                                              It is a big melting pot.
                                              I rather be called coloured because it includes
                                              all mixes from mango to octaroon and mustifino.
                                              The word coloured are actually ment
                                              for people of mixed blood like us.
                                              It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.
                                              It has a totally different meaning once you leave america.

                                              multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                                              Hi,

                                              Actually ... I don't think the expression that you
                                              have given in regards to your opinion on this topic
                                              is "going against the grain" at all – and I'm really
                                              glad that you shared it (as, one of the reasons I
                                              posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                                              In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has
                                              been as much a topic of discussion among those of us
                                              who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                                              and cultural groups found around the world.

                                              Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                                              that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                                              have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                                              generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                                              if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                                              I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                                              What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                                              Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                                              coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                                              in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                                              pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                                              :D

                                              In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                              "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                                              I know that you posted these articles for informational
                                              reasons but here I have to go against the grain.
                                              I find that the multitude of names
                                              created for mixed race people unflattering.

                                              The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                                              "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it
                                              derives from the Spanish word Mula, mule; literally
                                              the sterile hybrid offspring resulting from the
                                              crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                                              Another possible origin is in the Arabic word
                                              Mwallad."

                                              Source:

                                              http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                                              Is not something I think people would want to call
                                              themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                                              If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
                                              with a person that has some degree of African (black)
                                              blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                                              These definitions do not take into consideration,
                                              and I'm glad they don't, the multitude of mixed
                                              lineage outside these guidelines.

                                              I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                                              Also, those who have study art know that white
                                              and black are hues when mixed with
                                              other "colors" creates a new color.

                                              That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                                              how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                                              --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                              "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                                              **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                                              "A person of a racial group
                                              that is not regarded as 'white'.

                                              A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                                              Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                                              **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                                              (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                                              people / "multi"-racial)

                                              a) Classification
                                              b) Mixture
                                              c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                                              --"Mango"
                                              --Zambo and Black
                                              --7/8 full-"black" blood

                                              -- "Zambo"
                                              --Mulatto and Black
                                              --3/4 full-"black" blood

                                              -- "Cascos"
                                              --Mulatto and Mulatto
                                              --1/2 full-"black" blood

                                              -- "Mulatto"
                                              --Black and White
                                              --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                                              -- "Quadroon"
                                              --Mulatto and White
                                              --1/4 full-"black" blood

                                              -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                                              --Quadroon and White
                                              --1/8 full-"black" blood

                                              -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                                              --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                                              --1/16 full-"black" blood

                                              -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                                              --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                                              --1/32 full-"black" blood

                                              SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                                              **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                                              --"Negro"
                                              --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                                              --Full===d/64 + 64/64
                                              [Full========a minimum of six (6) generations
                                              with no `other' racial admixture]

                                              --"White"
                                              --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                                              --Full====d/64 + 64/64
                                              [Full========a minimum of six (6) generations
                                              with no `other' racial admixture]

                                              **QUOTE: **

                                              "[The group commonly referred to as]
                                              "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                                              percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                                              http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html

                                              http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-6864586-
                                              0680739?v========glance
                                              http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-
                                              description/0520228731/ref========dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                                              5Fencoding========UTF8&n====(3155

                                              'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                                              admixture found within this group should also
                                              always be taken note of and remembered.'

                                              www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html

                                              http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
                                              http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
                                              http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
                                              board========physanth&action========display&num==== 87461625

                                              http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html
                                            • sudoangel2000
                                              I would have to disgree with your last statement to a certain extent: It seems that the seeking of more knowledge of and familiarity with these terms (and the
                                              Message 22 of 27 , Aug 3, 2005
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                                                I would have to disgree with your last statement to a certain extent:

                                                "It seems that the seeking of more knowledge of and
                                                familiarity with these terms (and the many other aspects
                                                of our heritage) would likely help to bring about a type of
                                                stronger accord –rather than cause divisiveness – among
                                                those who are a part of the "mixed-unity community"."

                                                Although understanding the origins of these racial catagories
                                                pertaining to some mixed people is something we all should seek, I
                                                don't agree that these concepts should become familiar, out of
                                                familiarity comes indifference, meaning the divisions that have been
                                                created among people of color due to these very labels will continue
                                                if we believe it to be so.

                                                As you stated earlier in your response you prefer to use the generic
                                                term mixed when refering to yourself which in my oppinion should
                                                suffice for all of us as long as we know our lineage culturally and
                                                historically. As far as I'm concerned mixed people shouldn't have to
                                                explain his/her self if they do not wish to.

                                                Regarding being knowledgable about one's history and past references
                                                to racial mixing leading to "stronger accord" I again disagree. Human
                                                nature seems to dictate that people naturally observe and point out
                                                differences in each other. Thereasons depend on the context pointers
                                                are acknowledging the pointees. Besides the divisions are already
                                                present, do we want to perpetuate division or learn to accept each
                                                rather than tolerate.

                                                Perhaps my comments on this subject or lack there of, are due to the
                                                fact that I don't relate. I feel that all the racially mixed labels
                                                listed before are negative in nature and are based on percentages
                                                which I don't believe is logical to determine a person's mixness.

                                                If asked by another I refer to myself as human first and multiracial
                                                second. I want it made clear to the person asking that what is
                                                important for them to know about me is not what is important to me or
                                                humanity.

                                                There are bigger problems in the world than trying to figure out what
                                                someone is mixed with, yet a lot of these problems stem from racial
                                                labels/catagories that triggered these problems in the first place.

                                                Just my oppinion...

                                                --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                                "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                                                [John wrote:
                                                "Soaptalk how do you feel personally about these definitions.
                                                Do you think they devide the mixed
                                                community more or bring it together.
                                                Please ellaberate!"]

                                                My reply:

                                                Well --- personally, I prefer to simply use the rather generic
                                                term "mixed" (in reference to myself, and my ancestral lineage).

                                                However, I do also feel that each individual has both
                                                the right and even the duty to choose whatever
                                                term they feel best describes or defines them.

                                                Many of the terms do tend to date far beyond
                                                the 15th and 16th centuries and would likely be
                                                considered somewhat archaic in today's vernacular.

                                                As a mixed person, however, I feel that it is important
                                                that we know `our history' as well as the terminology
                                                and historical context in which it was developed.

                                                As a result, although (as I noted earlier) many of the
                                                terms may sound archaic (and some may even sound
                                                somewhat `controversial') --- it simply seems to me that
                                                we as mixed people should at least consider maintaining
                                                as much as interest in becoming familiar with them as
                                                we would with the other aspects of the heritage and
                                                history of our own individual family, ethnic or cultures.

                                                It seems that the seeking of more knowledge of and
                                                familiarity with these terms (and the many other aspects
                                                of our heritage) would likely help to bring about a type of
                                                stronger accord –rather than cause divisiveness – among
                                                those who are a part of the "mixed-unity community".

                                                Just a thought.

                                                Thanks for your inquiry: D

                                                In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                                john <reddgold_32@y...> wrote:

                                                Soaptalk how do you feel
                                                personally about these definitions.
                                                Do you think they devide the mixed
                                                community more or bring it together.
                                                Please ellaberate!

                                                multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                                                [[John Reddgold_32@y...> wrote:
                                                "I never herd of quintroon,mamalouc and hexadecaroon before."]]

                                                My reply:

                                                That's a good point, John!

                                                In fact, many of the older terms given to `Types' of
                                                `Mixed'-race were derived from a race classification
                                                system that was originally used in the Spanish
                                                and French colonies of the `New World',
                                                and then also later used in the Southern
                                                United States in the 19th century.

                                                As a result, there are many terms were
                                                used in past times with which many,
                                                if not most, of us are not yet familiar.

                                                Research of these terms and their origins is
                                                an interesting study in `New World' history.

                                                Listed below are links to expanded definitons
                                                the terms known as "Quintroon" and "Hexadecaroon".

                                                :D

                                                ********************************
                                                ********************************

                                                A "Quintroon" is the offspring of an Octoroon
                                                and a European parent, having ancestry
                                                that is one-sixteenth African.
                                                The prefix quint- is apparently intended
                                                to mean fifth, as in "fifth-generation,"
                                                A more accurate label was "Hexadecaroon"
                                                (conveying the essence of "one-sixteenth"), but the
                                                latter term was used far less often than "Quintroon".
                                                http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/q/qu/quintroon.html
                                                http://www.free-definition.com/Quintroon.html

                                                An "octoroon" is the offspring of a quadroon
                                                and a European parent, having ancestry
                                                that is one-eighth African.
                                                Octoroons were considered "colored" and often
                                                subject to slavery in the colonial era, but sometimes
                                                given more privileges than slaves with
                                                a greater degree of African ancestry.
                                                The child of an octoroon and a white person
                                                was referred to as a "Quintroon".
                                                http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/o/oc/octoroon.html
                                                http://www.free-definition.com/Octoroon.html

                                                ********************************
                                                ********************************

                                                --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                                john <reddgold_32@y...> wrote:

                                                I never herd of quintroon,mamalouc and hexadecaroon before.

                                                j s <creolescience@y...> wrote:

                                                I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                                                hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie.

                                                Though really in my case Melungeon or
                                                triracial is probably the most accurate

                                                --- john <reddgold_32@y...> wrote:

                                                Yep it covers everything
                                                like me,I am a sambo/mango.
                                                Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.
                                                Those names are outdated to me.
                                                Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife
                                                applies to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.
                                                When there was a pure black and a pure white.
                                                These days there are no pure anything.
                                                especially in america.
                                                It is a big melting pot.
                                                I rather be called coloured because it includes
                                                all mixes from mango to octaroon and mustifino.
                                                The word coloured are actually ment
                                                for people of mixed blood like us.
                                                It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.
                                                It has a totally different meaning once you leave america.

                                                multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                                                Hi,

                                                Actually ... I don't think the expression that you
                                                have given in regards to your opinion on this topic
                                                is "going against the grain" at all – and I'm really
                                                glad that you shared it (as, one of the reasons I
                                                posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                                                In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has
                                                been as much a topic of discussion among those of us
                                                who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                                                and cultural groups found around the world.

                                                Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                                                that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                                                have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                                                generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                                                if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                                                I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                                                What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                                                Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                                                coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                                                in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                                                pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                                                :D

                                                In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                                "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                                                I know that you posted these articles for informational
                                                reasons but here I have to go against the grain.
                                                I find that the multitude of names
                                                created for mixed race people unflattering.

                                                The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                                                "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it
                                                derives from the Spanish word Mula, mule; literally
                                                the sterile hybrid offspring resulting from the
                                                crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                                                Another possible origin is in the Arabic word
                                                Mwallad."

                                                Source:

                                                http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                                                Is not something I think people would want to call
                                                themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                                                If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
                                                with a person that has some degree of African (black)
                                                blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                                                These definitions do not take into consideration,
                                                and I'm glad they don't, the multitude of mixed
                                                lineage outside these guidelines.

                                                I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                                                Also, those who have study art know that white
                                                and black are hues when mixed with
                                                other "colors" creates a new color.

                                                That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                                                how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                                                --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                                "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                                                **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                                                "A person of a racial group
                                                that is not regarded as 'white'.

                                                A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                                                Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                                                **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                                                (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                                                people / "multi"-racial)

                                                a) Classification
                                                b) Mixture
                                                c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                                                --"Mango"
                                                --Zambo and Black
                                                --7/8 full-"black" blood

                                                -- "Zambo"
                                                --Mulatto and Black
                                                --3/4 full-"black" blood

                                                -- "Cascos"
                                                --Mulatto and Mulatto
                                                --1/2 full-"black" blood

                                                -- "Mulatto"
                                                --Black and White
                                                --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                                                -- "Quadroon"
                                                --Mulatto and White
                                                --1/4 full-"black" blood

                                                -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                                                --Quadroon and White
                                                --1/8 full-"black" blood

                                                -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                                                --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                                                --1/16 full-"black" blood

                                                -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                                                --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                                                --1/32 full-"black" blood

                                                SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                                                **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                                                --"Negro"
                                                --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                                                --Full===d/64 + 64/64
                                                [Full========a minimum of six (6) generations
                                                with no `other' racial admixture]

                                                --"White"
                                                --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                                                --Full===d/64 + 64/64
                                                [Full========a minimum of six (6) generations
                                                with no `other' racial admixture]

                                                **QUOTE: **

                                                "[The group commonly referred to as]
                                                "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                                                percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                                                http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html

                                                http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
                                                6864586-
                                                0680739?v========glance
                                                http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-
                                                description/0520228731/ref========dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                                                5Fencoding========UTF8&n====(3155

                                                'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                                                admixture found within this group should also
                                                always be taken note of and remembered.'

                                                www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html

                                                http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
                                                http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
                                                http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
                                                board========physanth&action========display&num==== 87461625

                                                http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html
                                              • wintyreeve@aol.com
                                                In a message dated 8/3/2005 6:16:35 PM Central Standard Time, sudoangel2000@yahoo.com writes: There are bigger problems in the world than trying to figure out
                                                Message 23 of 27 , Aug 3, 2005
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                                                  In a message dated 8/3/2005 6:16:35 PM Central Standard Time, sudoangel2000@... writes:
                                                  There are bigger problems in the world than trying to figure out what
                                                  someone is mixed with, yet a lot of these problems stem from racial
                                                  labels/catagories that triggered these problems in the first place.
                                                   
                                                  Nicely said! I was thinking the same thing... Why is it when people look at another person that race or color or nationality is first in their mind? And if someone does look at another, and see the color of skin first or make judgements about the features, that means that racial evaluations are important to that person. So important that the very opinion of another person, and the relationship you could form with that person is based on that initial judgement. Honestly, it seems insane.
                                                   
                                                  I don't have it in me to see people like that. I think every person can be judgemental or have a bias...but we also have a mind to keep ourselves in check. Something must be wrong with people who are not able to control their thoughts, and let their projections cloud reality?
                                                   
                                                  Just a Thought...Lynn
                                                • sudoangel2000
                                                  I totally agree Lynn. I think that judging people by race, ethnicity, or nationality is stronger in the US due to the foundations of this country but that s
                                                  Message 24 of 27 , Aug 4, 2005
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                                                    I totally agree Lynn. I think that judging people by race, ethnicity,
                                                    or nationality is stronger in the US due to the foundations of this
                                                    country but that's not to say it doesn't happen elsewhere.
                                                    In Indian as well as cast the fairer the complexion and if
                                                    one is "lucky" to be born with light colored eyes is very
                                                    much prized. Some would venture to say this thinking is a
                                                    result of British colonization but in reality this thinking
                                                    was in place before the Brits arrived. Still to this day women
                                                    are bleaching there skin to achieve a lighter complexion
                                                    which will equal a better marriage arrangement.
                                                    It's unconceivable to me because Indians just like "black"
                                                    Americans come in different skin tones and there lies
                                                    the beauty. The seperations among "black" people in the
                                                    US due to hair type, skin tone, and eye color never
                                                    made any sense to me but it's the same thinking.

                                                    I think human beings by nature feel superior when pointing
                                                    out differences in another group because it seems they
                                                    point out what is not pleasing to their eye.

                                                    "Something must be wrong with people who are not able to control
                                                    their thoughts, and let their projections cloud reality"

                                                    I like that statement and I would add that in most instances
                                                    this behaviour is out of fear of what's different.
                                                    Differences should be celebrated not ridiculed and create hate.

                                                    Tanya

                                                    In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                                    wintyreeve@a... wrote:

                                                    In a message dated 8/3/2005 6:16:35 PM Central
                                                    Standard Time, sudoangel2000@y... writes:

                                                    There are bigger problems in the world than trying to
                                                    figure out what someone is mixed with, yet a lot of
                                                    these problems stem from racial labels/catagories that
                                                    triggered these problems in the first place.

                                                    Nicely said! I was thinking the same thing... Why is it when
                                                    people look at another person that race or color or nationality
                                                    is first in their mind? And if someone does look at another,
                                                    and see the color of skin first or make judgements about the
                                                    features, that means that racial evaluations are important
                                                    to that person. So important that the very opinion of another
                                                    person, and the relationship you could form with that person
                                                    is based on that initial judgement. Honestly, it seems insane.

                                                    I don't have it in me to see people like that. I think
                                                    every person can be judgemental or have a bias...but we
                                                    also have a mind to keep ourselves in check. Something
                                                    must be wrong with people who are not able to control
                                                    their thoughts, and let their projections cloud reality?

                                                    Just a Thought...Lynn
                                                  • multiracialbookclub
                                                    [SudoAngel wrote: In Indian ... to this day women are bleaching there skin to achieve a lighter complexion which will equal a better marriage arrangement.]
                                                    Message 25 of 27 , Aug 5, 2005
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                                                      [SudoAngel wrote:
                                                      "In Indian ... to this day women are bleaching
                                                      there skin to achieve a lighter complexion
                                                      which will equal a better marriage arrangement.]

                                                      Reply:

                                                      You bring up a good point.

                                                      In fact, some examples of the dangerous trend of people
                                                      feeling pressured to change their skin coloring / shade
                                                      (in order to have better social opportunity or more
                                                      acceptance) can also be found all over the globe
                                                      (for example, some people in the various `of-color'
                                                      nations tend to promote the dangerous skin-'bleaching'
                                                      trend / while those in various western nations tend to
                                                      promote an equally dangerous skin-'darkening' trend.
                                                      are noted in the articles found at the following links:

                                                      The Asian continent:

                                                      http://www.modelminority.com/article889.html
                                                      http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/05/13/asia.whitening/
                                                      http://www.skininc.com/news/928656.html
                                                      http://wwwsshe.murdoch.edu.au/intersections/issue9/gooncraven.html
                                                      http://www.modelminority.com/article497.html
                                                      http://www.asianfilm.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=40
                                                      http://www.calbaptist.edu/dskubik/white_skin.htm

                                                      The Latin American region:

                                                      http://www.boston.com/yourlife/health/diseases/articles/2003/12/16/whi
                                                      tening_skin_can_be_deadly?mode=PF
                                                      http://www.modelminority.com/article889.html

                                                      The African continent:

                                                      http://archive.blackvoices.com/articles/daily/index_20010709.asp
                                                      http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2004/12/tanzania_counts.php

                                                      The Caribbean / West Indies Islands:

                                                      http://www.jamaicans.com/articles/0902_bleaching.htm
                                                      http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/43/152.html
                                                      http://www.towncomputer.com/identity.html
                                                      http://www.caribbean-media.net/articles/article14.htm
                                                      http://www.pih.org.uk/features/poem_mr.html
                                                      http://www.jamaicans.com/articles/primecomments/0902_bleaching.shtml
                                                      http://www.bbc.co.uk/caribbean/news/story/2004/09/040906_bleaching.sht
                                                      ml

                                                      The North American region:

                                                      http://womenmagazine.com/managearticle.asp?c=930&a=523
                                                      http://www.wftv.com/health/1719030/detail.html
                                                      http://www.aad.org/public/News/NewsReleases/TanningDangers.htm

                                                      In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                                      "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                                                      I totally agree Lynn. I think that judging people by race, ethnicity,
                                                      or nationality is stronger in the US due to the foundations of this
                                                      country but that's not to say it doesn't happen elsewhere.
                                                      In Indian as well as cast the fairer the complexion and if
                                                      one is "lucky" to be born with light colored eyes is very
                                                      much prized. Some would venture to say this thinking is a
                                                      result of British colonization but in reality this thinking
                                                      was in place before the Brits arrived. Still to this day women
                                                      are bleaching there skin to achieve a lighter complexion
                                                      which will equal a better marriage arrangement.
                                                      It's unconceivable to me because Indians just like "black"
                                                      Americans come in different skin tones and there lies
                                                      the beauty. The seperations among "black" people in the
                                                      US due to hair type, skin tone, and eye color never
                                                      made any sense to me but it's the same thinking.

                                                      I think human beings by nature feel superior when pointing
                                                      out differences in another group because it seems they
                                                      point out what is not pleasing to their eye.

                                                      "Something must be wrong with people who are not able to control
                                                      their thoughts, and let their projections cloud reality"

                                                      I like that statement and I would add that in most instances
                                                      this behaviour is out of fear of what's different.
                                                      Differences should be celebrated not ridiculed and create hate.

                                                      Tanya

                                                      In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                                      wintyreeve@a... wrote:

                                                      In a message dated 8/3/2005 6:16:35 PM Central
                                                      Standard Time, sudoangel2000@y... writes:

                                                      There are bigger problems in the world than trying to
                                                      figure out what someone is mixed with, yet a lot of
                                                      these problems stem from racial labels/catagories that
                                                      triggered these problems in the first place.

                                                      Nicely said! I was thinking the same thing... Why is it when
                                                      people look at another person that race or color or nationality
                                                      is first in their mind? And if someone does look at another,
                                                      and see the color of skin first or make judgements about the
                                                      features, that means that racial evaluations are important
                                                      to that person. So important that the very opinion of another
                                                      person, and the relationship you could form with that person
                                                      is based on that initial judgement. Honestly, it seems insane.

                                                      I don't have it in me to see people like that. I think
                                                      every person can be judgemental or have a bias...but we
                                                      also have a mind to keep ourselves in check. Something
                                                      must be wrong with people who are not able to control
                                                      their thoughts, and let their projections cloud reality?

                                                      Just a Thought...Lynn
                                                    • sudoangel2000
                                                      If one were looking from the outside of our world at this behaviour, that seems to ingrained into human nature, it would paint a perception of a world of
                                                      Message 26 of 27 , Aug 5, 2005
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                                                        If one were looking from the outside of our world at this behaviour,
                                                        that seems to ingrained into human nature, it would paint a
                                                        perception of a world of unsatisfied beings. As well as skin color
                                                        someone wants to be lighter and the other wants to be darker, as has
                                                        been talked about earlier hair textures and eye color play a big part
                                                        in people trying to change their looks to become more pleasing to
                                                        others etc...

                                                        The most annoying thing for me to see is a person wearing colored
                                                        contact lenses. People should be happy with what they were given.
                                                        Normally a person that wants to change their eye color using lenses
                                                        picks a unnatural look. I wonder who's bright idea it was to create
                                                        colored lenses..lol I wear lense so I can see period and I love my
                                                        natural eye color.

                                                        It's the same with hair textures which I'm sure most of us know about
                                                        already.

                                                        Discontent seems to be what drives people to do some strange things
                                                        to themselves. Now in the age of plastic surgery it's getting
                                                        scarrier by the minute.

                                                        Tanya

                                                        In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                                        "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                                                        [SudoAngel wrote:
                                                        "In Indian ... to this day women are bleaching
                                                        there skin to achieve a lighter complexion
                                                        which will equal a better marriage arrangement.]

                                                        Reply:

                                                        You bring up a good point.

                                                        In fact, some examples of the dangerous trend of people
                                                        feeling pressured to change their skin coloring / shade
                                                        (in order to have better social opportunity or more
                                                        acceptance) can also be found all over the globe
                                                        (for example, some people in the various `of-color'
                                                        nations tend to promote the dangerous skin-'bleaching'
                                                        trend / while those in various western nations tend to
                                                        promote an equally dangerous skin-'darkening' trend.
                                                        are noted in the articles found at the following links:

                                                        The Asian continent:

                                                        http://www.modelminority.com/article889.html
                                                        http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/05/13/asia.whitening/
                                                        http://www.skininc.com/news/928656.html
                                                        http://wwwsshe.murdoch.edu.au/intersections/issue9/gooncraven.html
                                                        http://www.modelminority.com/article497.html
                                                        http://www.asianfilm.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=40
                                                        http://www.calbaptist.edu/dskubik/white_skin.htm

                                                        The Latin American region:

                                                        http://www.boston.com/yourlife/health/diseases/articles/2003/12/16/whi
                                                        tening_skin_can_be_deadly?mode=PF
                                                        http://www.modelminority.com/article889.html

                                                        The African continent:

                                                        http://archive.blackvoices.com/articles/daily/index_20010709.asp
                                                        http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2004/12/tanzania_counts.php

                                                        The Caribbean / West Indies Islands:

                                                        http://www.jamaicans.com/articles/0902_bleaching.htm
                                                        http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/43/152.html
                                                        http://www.towncomputer.com/identity.html
                                                        http://www.caribbean-media.net/articles/article14.htm
                                                        http://www.pih.org.uk/features/poem_mr.html
                                                        http://www.jamaicans.com/articles/primecomments/0902_bleaching.shtml
                                                        http://www.bbc.co.uk/caribbean/news/story/2004/09/040906_bleaching.sht
                                                        ml

                                                        The North American region:

                                                        http://womenmagazine.com/managearticle.asp?c=930&a=523
                                                        http://www.wftv.com/health/1719030/detail.html
                                                        http://www.aad.org/public/News/NewsReleases/TanningDangers.htm

                                                        In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                                        "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                                                        I totally agree Lynn. I think that judging people by race, ethnicity,
                                                        or nationality is stronger in the US due to the foundations of this
                                                        country but that's not to say it doesn't happen elsewhere.
                                                        In Indian as well as cast the fairer the complexion and if
                                                        one is "lucky" to be born with light colored eyes is very
                                                        much prized. Some would venture to say this thinking is a
                                                        result of British colonization but in reality this thinking
                                                        was in place before the Brits arrived. Still to this day women
                                                        are bleaching there skin to achieve a lighter complexion
                                                        which will equal a better marriage arrangement.
                                                        It's unconceivable to me because Indians just like "black"
                                                        Americans come in different skin tones and there lies
                                                        the beauty. The seperations among "black" people in the
                                                        US due to hair type, skin tone, and eye color never
                                                        made any sense to me but it's the same thinking.

                                                        I think human beings by nature feel superior when pointing
                                                        out differences in another group because it seems they
                                                        point out what is not pleasing to their eye.

                                                        "Something must be wrong with people who are not able to control
                                                        their thoughts, and let their projections cloud reality"

                                                        I like that statement and I would add that in most instances
                                                        this behaviour is out of fear of what's different.
                                                        Differences should be celebrated not ridiculed and create hate.

                                                        Tanya

                                                        In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                                        wintyreeve@a... wrote:

                                                        In a message dated 8/3/2005 6:16:35 PM Central
                                                        Standard Time, sudoangel2000@y... writes:

                                                        There are bigger problems in the world than trying to
                                                        figure out what someone is mixed with, yet a lot of
                                                        these problems stem from racial labels/catagories that
                                                        triggered these problems in the first place.

                                                        Nicely said! I was thinking the same thing... Why is it when
                                                        people look at another person that race or color or nationality
                                                        is first in their mind? And if someone does look at another,
                                                        and see the color of skin first or make judgements about the
                                                        features, that means that racial evaluations are important
                                                        to that person. So important that the very opinion of another
                                                        person, and the relationship you could form with that person
                                                        is based on that initial judgement. Honestly, it seems insane.

                                                        I don't have it in me to see people like that. I think
                                                        every person can be judgemental or have a bias...but we
                                                        also have a mind to keep ourselves in check. Something
                                                        must be wrong with people who are not able to control
                                                        their thoughts, and let their projections cloud reality?

                                                        Just a Thought...Lynn
                                                      • multiracialbookclub
                                                        Melungeon Heritage Association: http://www.melungeon.org/index.cgi? cat=10076&BISKIT=350984286&CONTEXT=cat Melungeon Reemergence
                                                        Message 27 of 27 , Aug 7, 2005
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                                                          Melungeon Heritage Association:
                                                          http://www.melungeon.org/index.cgi?
                                                          cat=10076&BISKIT=350984286&CONTEXT=cat

                                                          Melungeon Reemergence
                                                          http://multiracial.com/readers/adams.html

                                                          In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                                          j s <creolescience@y...> wrote:

                                                          I like quintroon, Mustifee, Mamalouc and especially
                                                          hexadecaroon - it makes me sound like a cookie.

                                                          Though really in my case Melungeon or
                                                          triracial is probably the most accurate

                                                          --- john <reddgold_32@...> wrote:

                                                          Yep it covers everything
                                                          like me,I am a sambo/mango.
                                                          Now it is rediculous for me to describe myself as such.
                                                          Those names are outdated to me.
                                                          Those names such as mulatto,sambo,quadroon and mustife
                                                          applies to people in the old world more than 2 centuries ago.
                                                          When there was a pure black and a pure white.
                                                          These days there are no pure anything.
                                                          especially in america.
                                                          It is a big melting pot.
                                                          I rather be called coloured because it includes
                                                          all mixes from mango to octaroon and mustifino.
                                                          The word coloured are actually ment
                                                          for people of mixed blood like us.
                                                          It doesn't mean black negro like in the usa.
                                                          It has a totally different meaning once you leave america.

                                                          multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

                                                          Hi,

                                                          Actually ... I don't think the expression that you
                                                          have given in regards to your opinion on this topic
                                                          is "going against the grain" at all – and I'm really
                                                          glad that you shared it (as, one of the reasons I
                                                          posted the data was to get member feedback.)

                                                          In fact, the matter of 'what to call oneself' has
                                                          been as much a topic of discussion among those of us
                                                          who are mixed as it has among the multiple ethnic
                                                          and cultural groups found around the world.

                                                          Like both you and John Reddgold -- I feel these
                                                          that most of these terms are both outmoded and
                                                          have an origin in a racist past -- which is why I
                                                          generally simply refer to myself as 'mixed' then,
                                                          if anyone , wants further details or distinction,
                                                          I may (or may not) break things down for them.

                                                          What's funny to me, however, is -- just as John
                                                          Reddgold pointed out earlier -- the term 'colored /
                                                          coloured' (which is considered so 'out-of-date'
                                                          in the USA, yet is totally accepted elsewhere)
                                                          pretty much covers all varieties of mixed `types'.

                                                          :D

                                                          In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                                          "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:

                                                          I know that you posted these articles for informational
                                                          reasons but here I have to go against the grain.
                                                          I find that the multitude of names
                                                          created for mixed race people unflattering.

                                                          The origins of the word "mulatto" for example:

                                                          "Some people consider the term pejorative, as it
                                                          derives from the Spanish word Mula, mule; literally
                                                          the sterile hybrid offspring resulting from the
                                                          crossbreeding of a male donkey and a female horse.
                                                          Another possible origin is in the Arabic word
                                                          Mwallad."

                                                          Source:

                                                          http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/m/mu/mulatto.html

                                                          Is not something I think people would want to call
                                                          themselves once knowing the origins of the work.

                                                          If you notice the breakdowns below they primarily deal
                                                          with a person that has some degree of African (black)
                                                          blood in their lineage as well as European (white).

                                                          These definitions do not take into consideration,
                                                          and I'm glad they don't, the multitude of mixed
                                                          lineage outside these guidelines.

                                                          I agree with John that color/colour applies to everyone.

                                                          Also, those who have study art know that white
                                                          and black are hues when mixed with
                                                          other "colors" creates a new color.

                                                          That bothers be as well, if looking at literal definitions
                                                          how can people refer to themselves as a hue?

                                                          --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                                                          "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:

                                                          **Defintion of "Colored" or "Of Color"

                                                          "A person of a racial group
                                                          that is not regarded as 'white'.

                                                          A person of MIXED RACIAL strains."

                                                          Source: http://www.mixedfolks.com/names.htm

                                                          **SOME EXAMPLES OF "COLORED" **

                                                          (i.e. racially ad-"mixed"
                                                          people / "multi"-racial)

                                                          a) Classification
                                                          b) Mixture
                                                          c) Fraction of "Black" Blood

                                                          --"Mango"
                                                          --Zambo and Black
                                                          --7/8 full-"black" blood

                                                          -- "Zambo"
                                                          --Mulatto and Black
                                                          --3/4 full-"black" blood

                                                          -- "Cascos"
                                                          --Mulatto and Mulatto
                                                          --1/2 full-"black" blood

                                                          -- "Mulatto"
                                                          --Black and White
                                                          --1/2 "full-"black" blood

                                                          -- "Quadroon"
                                                          --Mulatto and White
                                                          --1/4 full-"black" blood

                                                          -- "Octoroon / Mustee"
                                                          --Quadroon and White
                                                          --1/8 full-"black" blood

                                                          -- "Mustifee / Mustiphini"
                                                          --Octoroon / Mustee and White
                                                          --1/16 full-"black" blood

                                                          -- "Mustifino / Quintroon"
                                                          --Mustifee / Mustiphini and White
                                                          --1/32 full-"black" blood

                                                          SOURCE: http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition

                                                          **EXAMPLES OF "MONO"-RACIAL GROUPS:**

                                                          --"Negro"
                                                          --"Full"-Negro and "Full"-Negro
                                                          --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                                                          [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                                                          with no `other' racial admixture]

                                                          --"White"
                                                          --"Full"-White and "Full"-White
                                                          --Full=d/64 + 64/64
                                                          [Full==a minimum of six (6) generations
                                                          with no `other' racial admixture]

                                                          **QUOTE: **

                                                          "[The group commonly referred to as]
                                                          "Black" Americans have... an average of 30
                                                          percent of White admixture" in their genes"

                                                          http://www.bookfinder.us/review2/0520228731.html

                                                          http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520228731/104-
                                                          6864586-
                                                          0680739?v==glance
                                                          http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-

                                                          description/0520228731/ref==dp_proddesc_0/103-5615230-4572629?%
                                                          5Fencoding==UTF8&n=(3155

                                                          'The high amount (+25%) of Amerindian
                                                          admixture found within this group should also
                                                          always be taken note of and remembered.'

                                                          www.williamlkatz.com/africanindians.html

                                                          http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/blackindians/
                                                          http://www.othermetis.net/Papers/trent/trent2.html
                                                          http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?
                                                          board==physanth&action==display&num= 87461625

                                                          http://www.americanindiansource.com/bloodquantum.html
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