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  • Chibi
    It is a very funny thing I ve always wondered really...the white race ... is there really a way to define it? Does that just mean that as long as your skin is
    Message 1 of 30 , Dec 1, 2011
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      It is a very funny thing I've always wondered really...the "white race"... is there really a way to define it? Does that just mean that as long as your skin is white, you are pure? My daughter's skin is white, is she pure, even though she is mixed?

      It baffles me. Most white people were already mixed anyway. European people did not all speak one language, hold one culture, or act in any
      particular way that was uniform. In fact, back in earlier times, people of the same or close skin color in Europe fought one another for land, for the mere fact that they hated or despised one's culture or viewpoints, for women, for EVERYTHING, much like other races did as well. These people were able to overcome their ways and mix among each other without as much complaint. A white American is a mixture of a lot of things usually. Most will cite at least two types of European lineage they have when they tell you in detail what they come from. My husband looks as white as you can come (lol), but most would be surprised to find that he is half Irish, and half Cherokee Indian.

      His biological father is all Cheerokee, or at least that is as much of him as we can identify. My husbands eyes are a stark blue, but his hair a a bit thicker on his head, and as far as body hair, he lacks a lot of it except for his legs. (no chest or back hair, most Indians did not have very much body hair.)But hes as pale as can be as well. No one notices that he is not fully white, which is horrendously ironic. Of course, I suppose his mixture is not as big of a deal as say, someone who was black and white. Most white people will just write him off as white too, and they'd think he was a part of that "pure race" with his bright blue eyes. If that is done today, imagine what mistakes other white people before might have made, or the secrets they might try to hide about their lineage...

      Me on the other hand, I am mostly African American, with a Korean Great grandmother, Cheerokee and black great grandfather, and from there most of my other family members are black, however we did also incoorperate some Hispanic, other Koreans, Chinese, and more American Indian relatives. I myself however am a mixture of races. Most people will tell me that I look like I'm something more than black, but my features are mostly black. I would, upon first glance, be written off as just black by most people, although a few times many people will tell me I look mixed (I can't quite figure out how though, lol). Fact is, even though I'm a mixture like my husband, and even though more people can tell it about me than my husband, I am "tainted" I suppose? Not that I too much care honestly about such a ridiculous thing, I try to embrace all of my cultures equally, just so happens I have been around more of my African American relatives than the others.

      It's sick and a waste of time really to focus on race so heavily. You'd think people would get over it already. Especially here in the south, where white people who want to be supremacists and egotists, and look down upon Hispanic and Black races mostly with disdain and disgust, ARE at some point, mixed. They have black people in their family somewhere...whether or not it was wanted, planned, or whatever they are there somewhere. And knowing that they probably do, even if it wasn't told to them, they shouldn't behave the way they do about it. It's as if they're in denial...maybe it would be different if they didn't claim they were pure raced...but to me that is denial. Our country still has a hell of a way to go when it comes to race...seems like other countries are so much more accepting, ironically, of it and we're the melting pot! I just hope for my daughter's sake there will be a major change in attitude about all of this.




      --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
      "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@...> wrote:



      |
      It often comes as a surprise
      for people to discover that …
      `There is No Such Thing as a
      "Light Skinned Black" person'.

      The actual term of "Light Skinned Black"
      is nothing more that a racist oxymoron
      that was coined by racial supremacists
      --- in an effort to try to forcibly deny the
      many `Mixed-Race' people who were / are
      of a Multi-Generational Multiracially-Mixed
      (MGM-Mixed) Ancestral Lineage the right
      TO both embrace (and also receive public
      support in openly acknowledging) the
      physically visible (and obvious)
      FACT of their FULL-ancestry.

      The eugenicists and other racial-supremacists
      created a non-scientific, spurious and racist concept
      called the `One-Drop Rule' (ODR) in an effort to
      falsely label any Black bloodlines found in a
      Mixed-Race individual's ancestral lineage as being
      both an "inferior" and a "contaminated" "taint"
      that was so "filthy" and "vile" that even a mere
      `drop' of it had quite literally managed (and would
      eternally continue) to destroy the actual existence of
      all of the other blood-lineages found in their ancestry.

      [NOTE: More information on the racist,
      reeking, odious ODR is found below.]

      Again, the so-called "Light Skinned Black" people
      are simply `Multi-Generational Multiracially-Mixed'
      (MGM-Mixed) / `Mixed-Race' people who happened
      to have been from families that BOTH BECAME
      (AND CONTINUALLY-REMAINED) Mixed-Race
      THROUGHOUT their multiple generations.

      [PLEASE NOTE that THIS IS NOT stating or implying
      that having a LIGHT-Complexioned SKIN tone
      IS THE `ONLY' (OR even a `REQUIRED') PROOF
      of any person being OF MIXED-RACE LINEAGE.

      It's simply stating that the person's Light-complexioned
      skin coloring and tone is quite clearly an UNDENIABLE
      physical PROOF of the FACT that their family's Ancestral
      Lineage has been `CONTINUALLY' racially Admixed
      `THROUGHOUT' the GENERATIONS (from the very first
      occurrence of "racial" admixing up to their very present
      generation of such – ex. Griffe marries Metis, etc.).

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      THE KEY to actually being a `Multi-Generational
      Multiracially-Mixed' (MGM-Mixed) Mixed-Race
      individual IS ONE'S LINEAGE-CONTINUITY!!

      In order to be of the Mixed-Race 'type' that is
      known as `Multi-Generational Multiracially-Mixed'
      or `MGM-Mixed' --- one's ancestry MUST have
      BOTH BECOME & REMAINED (at least 25%)
      racially-admixed THROUGHOUT all of their
      family generations -- starting with the
      very first occurrence of admixture
      up unto their present generation!

      [Simply having 1 or 2 "ancient-ancestors"
      who are said to have been of some
      "other race" and that are allegedly
      found "somewhere-down-the-line"
      (ex. a great-grand whatever of another
      "race") -- DOES NOT -- make anyone
      MGM-Mixed^ (or else nearly everyone
      found on the planet could then (falsely)
      claim that they are MGM-Mixed ^).
      (^Multi-Generational Multiracially-Mixed)]

      Being `Multi-Generational Multiracially-Mixed'
      or 'MGM-Mixed' REQUIRES that a person's
      lineage has a "CONTINUITY-of-Admixture".

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      A NOTE ON ... The Racist
      `One-Drop' Rule (ODR):

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      The 'One-Drop' Rule (ODR) --- [which is the false
      teaching that 'any amount' (even one, tiny, minute
      `drop') of Black ancestral lineage would make any
      a person who is of a Mixed-Race lineage "full Black"]
      --- is quite simply nothing more than racism.

      The racist, reeking, odious ODR was created during
      the antebellum / chattel-slavery era of the continental
      U.S. by racial-supremacists in order to get people to
      believe the false racist myth that the so-called White
      "race" was "pure" … and to also falsely look upon
      the Black "racial" admixture (even the slightest
      amount – down to one mere `drop') that was found
      within a Mixed-Race person's ancestral lineage --
      as being a vile "taint" that was so very `filthy'
      and `contaminated' that it literally "destroyed"
      every single `drop' of non-Black blood that
      was found in the persons' ancestral lineage.

      To embrace the 'One-Drop Rule' … is the
      equivalent of BOTH embracing "racism"
      and also embracing the false and racist
      teaching that a Mixed-Race person's
      Black ancestral lineage is "tainted".

      My advice is that a non-Racist should *not*
      embrace the concept of the 'One-Drop Rule'
      -- as "Black blood" is *not* "tainted" --
      and should never be perceived or embraced
      as being so (not even in the name
      of so-called "pride" and "unity").

      The racist 'One Drop Rule' (ODR) is an offense to
      the pride of people who are of a full-Black lineage
      and to people who of a Mixed-Race lineage that
      includes a part-Black ancestry as well -- and this
      FACT is also why it is not a 'unifying' force at all
      -- but rather, it is a racist attack on their heritages.

      In addition, legally-speaking – any attempted
      forcible application of the racist 'One-Drop Rule'
      (ODR) -- against any individual or group -- was
      ruled as UN-constitutional (i.e. made `illegal')
      by the United States Supreme Court in 1967
      via the case of 'Loving vs. The State of Virginia'.

      [Through the 'Loving vs. Virginia' case, the U.S.
      Supreme Court, ruled against both all of the laws
      banning Interracial marriage -- and -- also ruled
      that any so-called law which forcibly applied the
      'One Drop Rule' -- was racist, discriminatory,
      illegal, unconstitutional, and non-enforcible.

      That decision (`The "Loving" Decision' or
      `The "Loving" Case) struck down the racist
      `VA Racial Integrity Act' (VRIA) and every
      `Anti-Miscegenation Law' (AML) found in the
      U.S. — AS WELL AS the racist, `One-Drop Rule'
      (ODR) on which both the VRIA & the AMLs were based!]

      So … essentially … there has been no legal
      application of the racist "ONE-DROP RULE'
      (ODR) found within the U.S. SINCE 1967.

      [i.e. The stench of the reeking, racist, odious ODR
      (which openly-mocked, cruelly-degraded and also
      falsely-accused one's black-bloodlines of being a
      `contaminated taint' that destroyed the existence
      of any and all of one's other / non-black bloodlines)
      -- along with it's biased application and racist
      terminologies -- has legally been `cleared from
      the air' of the U.S. since way back in 1967.]

      Thus, again, there is NO SUCH THING as
      a "Light-Skinned Black" person (as these
      individuals are quite simply `Multi-Generational
      Multiracially-Mixed (MGM-Mixed)' Mixed-Race
      people who are from families that have
      been CONTINUALLY racially-admixed
      THROUGHOUT their generations).

      For more information on this topic,
      please feel to contact me via email
      and / or to visit the websites below.


      — APGifts, Founder / Moderator
      (Generation-Mixed; MGM-Mixed
      and FGM-Mixed `Yahoo!Groups')
      © All Rights Reserved
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/generation-mixed
      <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/generation-mixed>
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mgm-mixed
      <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mgm-mixed>
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fgm-mixed
      <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fgm-mixed>
      email: <mailto:soaptalk@...>
      soaptalk (at) hotmail (dot) com
      <mailto:soaptalk@...>

      Related links:

      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1399
      <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1399>
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1602
      <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1602>
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1691
      <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1691>
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1745
      <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1745>
      <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/3331>
      <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/3331>
      <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/3331>
      <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/3331>
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/3331
      <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/3331>

      .
    • Connie Ware-Berg
      First I would like to say Please look into your history!!!!! Depending on where a person was born and lived had a lot to do with the skin tone color of the
      Message 2 of 30 , Dec 1, 2011
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        First I would like to say Please look into your history!!!!! Depending on where a person was born and lived had a lot to do with the skin tone color of the person. Today there are very few people in the world now that is pure blood any thing. Most of us are all a mixture of two or more.
        Second I would like to say that I am Irish, German, Indian (Several Tribes) on mother and fathers side (family history only so far), and African American, and I am Very Proud of All of my heritage and ancesters!! They are all what helped me to be me.
        Third I would like to say when I was growing up (and I still am) :) I was raised to like or dis like a person for the person and not for their skin tone color. I will be that way until the day the Creator says my days here on earth are done and it is time to go with him.
        Fourth If any one is interested they can look on the net for Mary (Molly) Welsh (Walsh) Bannaker. Benjamin Bannaker was her grandson. And Mary Welsh was my 8th generation gr-gr-mother. I have what I say is a very colorful history of ancesters and
        I am proud of all of them.
        Fifth I have my fathers side of the family back into the early 1700's, mothers side back to the late 1600's and my fathers mother's side back to the late 1700's if any one is interested you can contact me maybe we could be cousins who knows??
        Thank you for your time. Connie



        From:
        Chibi <orriami@...>
        To: Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2011 7:16 PM
        Subject: [Generation-Mixed] Re: There is no such thing as a "light-skinned Black"

         
        It is a very funny thing I've always wondered really...the "white race"... is there really a way to define it? Does that just mean that as long as your skin is white, you are pure? My daughter's skin is white, is she pure, even though she is mixed?

        It baffles me. Most white people were already mixed anyway. European people did not all speak one language, hold one culture, or act in any
        particular way that was uniform. In fact, back in earlier times, people of the same or close skin color in Europe fought one another for land, for the mere fact that they hated or despised one's culture or viewpoints, for women, for EVERYTHING, much like other races did as well. These people were able to overcome their ways and mix among each other without as much complaint. A white American is a mixture of a lot of things usually. Most will cite at least two types of European lineage they have when they tell you in detail what they come from. My husband looks as white as you can come (lol), but most would be surprised to find that he is half Irish, and half Cherokee Indian.

        His biological father is all Cheerokee, or at least that is as much of him as we can identify. My husbands eyes are a stark blue, but his hair a a bit thicker on his head, and as far as body hair, he lacks a lot of it except for his legs. (no chest or back hair, most Indians did not have very much body hair.)But hes as pale as can be as well. No one notices that he is not fully white, which is horrendously ironic. Of course, I suppose his mixture is not as big of a deal as say, someone who was black and white. Most white people will just write him off as white too, and they'd think he was a part of that "pure race" with his bright blue eyes. If that is done today, imagine what mistakes other white people before might have made, or the secrets they might try to hide about their lineage...

        Me on the other hand, I am mostly African American, with a Korean Great grandmother, Cheerokee and black great grandfather, and from there most of my other family members are black, however we did also incoorperate some Hispanic, other Koreans, Chinese, and more American Indian relatives. I myself however am a mixture of races. Most people will tell me that I look like I'm something more than black, but my features are mostly black. I would, upon first glance, be written off as just black by most people, although a few times many people will tell me I look mixed (I can't quite figure out how though, lol). Fact is, even though I'm a mixture like my husband, and even though more people can tell it about me than my husband, I am "tainted" I suppose? Not that I too much care honestly about such a ridiculous thing, I try to embrace all of my cultures equally, just so happens I have been around more of my African American relatives than the others.

        It's sick and a waste of time really to focus on race so heavily. You'd think people would get over it already. Especially here in the south, where white people who want to be supremacists and egotists, and look down upon Hispanic and Black races mostly with disdain and disgust, ARE at some point, mixed. They have black people in their family somewhere...whether or not it was wanted, planned, or whatever they are there somewhere. And knowing that they probably do, even if it wasn't told to them, they shouldn't behave the way they do about it. It's as if they're in denial...maybe it would be different if they didn't claim they were pure raced...but to me that is denial. Our country still has a hell of a way to go when it comes to race...seems like other countries are so much more accepting, ironically, of it and we're the melting pot! I just hope for my daughter's sake there will be a major change in attitude about all of this.

        --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
        "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@...> wrote:


        |
        It often comes as a surprise
        for people to discover that …
        `There is No Such Thing as a
        "Light Skinned Black" person'.

        The actual term of "Light Skinned Black"
        is nothing more that a racist oxymoron
        that was coined by racial supremacists
        --- in an effort to try to forcibly deny the
        many `Mixed-Race' people who were / are
        of a Multi-Generational Multiracially-Mixed
        (MGM-Mixed) Ancestral Lineage the right
        TO both embrace (and also receive public
        support in openly acknowledging) the
        physically visible (and obvious)
        FACT of their FULL-ancestry.

        The eugenicists and other racial-supremacists
        created a non-scientific, spurious and racist concept
        called the `One-Drop Rule' (ODR) in an effort to
        falsely label any Black bloodlines found in a
        Mixed-Race individual's ancestral lineage as being
        both an "inferior" and a "contaminated" "taint"
        that was so "filthy" and "vile" that even a mere
        `drop' of it had quite literally managed (and would
        eternally continue) to destroy the actual existence of
        all of the other blood-lineages found in their ancestry.

        [NOTE: More information on the racist,
        reeking, odious ODR is found below.]

        Again, the so-called "Light Skinned Black" people
        are simply `Multi-Generational Multiracially-Mixed'
        (MGM-Mixed) / `Mixed-Race' people who happened
        to have been from families that BOTH BECAME
        (AND CONTINUALLY-REMAINED) Mixed-Race
        THROUGHOUT their multiple generations.

        [PLEASE NOTE that THIS IS NOT stating or implying
        that having a LIGHT-Complexioned SKIN tone
        IS THE `ONLY' (OR even a `REQUIRED') PROOF
        of any person being OF MIXED-RACE LINEAGE.

        It's simply stating that the person's Light-complexioned
        skin coloring and tone is quite clearly an UNDENIABLE
        physical PROOF of the FACT that their family's Ancestral
        Lineage has been `CONTINUALLY' racially Admixed
        `THROUGHOUT' the GENERATIONS (from the very first
        occurrence of "racial" admixing up to their very present
        generation of such – ex. Griffe marries Metis, etc.).

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        THE KEY to actually being a `Multi-Generational
        Multiracially-Mixed' (MGM-Mixed) Mixed-Race
        individual IS ONE'S LINEAGE-CONTINUITY!!

        In order to be of the Mixed-Race 'type' that is
        known as `Multi-Generational Multiracially-Mixed'
        or `MGM-Mixed' --- one's ancestry MUST have
        BOTH BECOME & REMAINED (at least 25%)
        racially-admixed THROUGHOUT all of their
        family generations -- starting with the
        very first occurrence of admixture
        up unto their present generation!

        [Simply having 1 or 2 "ancient-ancestors"
        who are said to have been of some
        "other race" and that are allegedly
        found "somewhere-down-the-line"
        (ex. a great-grand whatever of another
        "race") -- DOES NOT -- make anyone
        MGM-Mixed^ (or else nearly everyone
        found on the planet could then (falsely)
        claim that they are MGM-Mixed ^).
        (^Multi-Generational Multiracially-Mixed)]

        Being `Multi-Generational Multiracially-Mixed'
        or 'MGM-Mixed' REQUIRES that a person's
        lineage has a "CONTINUITY-of-Admixture".

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        A NOTE ON ... The Racist
        `One-Drop' Rule (ODR):

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        The 'One-Drop' Rule (ODR) --- [which is the false
        teaching that 'any amount' (even one, tiny, minute
        `drop') of Black ancestral lineage would make any
        a person who is of a Mixed-Race lineage "full Black"]
        --- is quite simply nothing more than racism.

        The racist, reeking, odious ODR was created during
        the antebellum / chattel-slavery era of the continental
        U.S. by racial-supremacists in order to get people to
        believe the false racist myth that the so-called White
        "race" was "pure" … and to also falsely look upon
        the Black "racial" admixture (even the slightest
        amount – down to one mere `drop') that was found
        within a Mixed-Race person's ancestral lineage --
        as being a vile "taint" that was so very `filthy'
        and `contaminated' that it literally "destroyed"
        every single `drop' of non-Black blood that
        was found in the persons' ancestral lineage.

        To embrace the 'One-Drop Rule' … is the
        equivalent of BOTH embracing "racism"
        and also embracing the false and racist
        teaching that a Mixed-Race person's
        Black ancestral lineage is "tainted".

        My advice is that a non-Racist should *not*
        embrace the concept of the 'One-Drop Rule'
        -- as "Black blood" is *not* "tainted" --
        and should never be perceived or embraced
        as being so (not even in the name
        of so-called "pride" and "unity").

        The racist 'One Drop Rule' (ODR) is an offense to
        the pride of people who are of a full-Black lineage
        and to people who of a Mixed-Race lineage that
        includes a part-Black ancestry as well -- and this
        FACT is also why it is not a 'unifying' force at all
        -- but rather, it is a racist attack on their heritages.

        In addition, legally-speaking – any attempted
        forcible application of the racist 'One-Drop Rule'
        (ODR) -- against any individual or group -- was
        ruled as UN-constitutional (i.e. made `illegal')
        by the United States Supreme Court in 1967
        via the case of 'Loving vs. The State of Virginia'.

        [Through the 'Loving vs. Virginia' case, the U.S.
        Supreme Court, ruled against both all of the laws
        banning Interracial marriage -- and -- also ruled
        that any so-called law which forcibly applied the
        'One Drop Rule' -- was racist, discriminatory,
        illegal, unconstitutional, and non-enforcible.

        That decision (`The "Loving" Decision' or
        `The "Loving" Case) struck down the racist
        `VA Racial Integrity Act' (VRIA) and every
        `Anti-Miscegenation Law' (AML) found in the
        U.S. — AS WELL AS the racist, `One-Drop Rule'
        (ODR) on which both the VRIA & the AMLs were based!]

        So … essentially … there has been no legal
        application of the racist "ONE-DROP RULE'
        (ODR) found within the U.S. SINCE 1967.

        [i.e. The stench of the reeking, racist, odious ODR
        (which openly-mocked, cruelly-degraded and also
        falsely-accused one's black-bloodlines of being a
        `contaminated taint' that destroyed the existence
        of any and all of one's other / non-black bloodlines)
        -- along with it's biased application and racist
        terminologies -- has legally been `cleared from
        the air' of the U.S. since way back in 1967.]

        Thus, again, there is NO SUCH THING as
        a "Light-Skinned Black" person (as these
        individuals are quite simply `Multi-Generational
        Multiracially-Mixed (MGM-Mixed)' Mixed-Race
        people who are from families that have
        been CONTINUALLY racially-admixed
        THROUGHOUT their generations).

        For more information on this topic,
        please feel to contact me via email
        and / or to visit the websites below.


        — APGifts, Founder / Moderator
        (Generation-Mixed; MGM-Mixed
        and FGM-Mixed `Yahoo!Groups')
        © All Rights Reserved
        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/generation-mixed
        <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/generation-mixed>
        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mgm-mixed
        <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mgm-mixed>
        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fgm-mixed
        <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fgm-mixed>
        email: <mailto:soaptalk@...>
        soaptalk (at) hotmail (dot) com
        <mailto:soaptalk@...>

        Related links:

        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1399
        <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1399>
        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1602
        <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1602>
        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1691
        <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1691>
        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1745
        <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1745>
        <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/3331>
        <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/3331>
        <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/3331>
        <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/3331>
        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/3331
        <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/3331>

        .


      • Connie Ware-Berg
        This is very interesting to me. And I like your way of thinking that you seem to know who and what you are and I commend you for this. And I thank you for
        Message 3 of 30 , Dec 3, 2011
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          This is very interesting to me. And I like your way of thinking that you seem to know who and what you are and I commend you for this. And I thank you for being in the military and serving to help keep us all free. It makes me sad to know that this is still going on today and I mean no dis-respect but I feel people need to check out our history and learn to grow up. We all in some way or another have had many hardships through out life. But I feel that we can make a difference if only one person at a time to change some things at least.  Now to look at my skin tone color I am very light for my father german and mother irish but then all of the rest of my colorful ancesters on mother's and father's side back to Molly Welsh and Benjamin Bannaker. I was born with two inches of pure black hair. Blue eyes, but of course I am very blonde now. :) I am 63. For my gr-gr-mother Cummings was listed in several census's as: B, W, M, and I. Now I do know quite a bit of her heritage back to the late 1600's but I can not find where and when she passed. In Mi I am quite sure. Go figure I guess? By the way we are neighbors so to speak. I was born and raised in Mi. If you are interested you can check out the site of:
          By the way you say your one ancestor goes back to Thomas Jefferson check out Benjamin Bannaker.
          He wrote a letter to Jefferson I will see if I can find the site for you if interested.
          Blessings to you and yours, Connie



          From:
          Semmaster <semcontrol@...>
          To: Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:39 PM
          Subject: [Generation-Mixed] Re: There is no such thing as a "light-skinned Black"

           
          I grew up on the east-side of Springfield, Ohio. We were about 15 to 20 Black families with at least one light, bright or nearly white skinned parent, in the midst of all Caucasian families. We caught hell from both sides. Blacks on the South and West ends of town referred to us as Uncle Toms or Yellow N*ggers and the East-End Caucasians...well you know... My mom and grandmother both looked White my father was dark skinned with natural wavy hair. I grew up knowing that I wasn't just Black. Through family pictures and stories, I knew we were a mixture of White, Black and American Indian. As I grew, joined the military and left home, people outside of Ohio began asking me what I am and I would always say Black with a touch of Red and White. In the seventies, I became very interested in learning more of who I really am and began my journey to find out. I started by questioning my parents and traveling to different counties around Ohio searching census records. In essence what I found out on my father's side is mother is listed as mulatto on several census and my grandfather (father's father) is listed as Ethiopian of his WWI military record. On my maternal side, the list goes all the way back to Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings....

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          In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
          Connie Ware-Berg <connie.wareberg@...> wrote:

          Any child is very special.
          And no one can tell any one any different!
          Blessings to you and yours,
          Connie

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          From: "breeann_76@..." <breeann_76@...>
          To: Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 12:20 AM
          Subject: Re: [Generation-Mixed]
          Re: There is no such thing as a "light-skinned Black"

          My daughter is black and white. Im a mixture of irish scottish austrian and indian and lots more but i am very fair skinned with blue eyes. My daughter is absolutely lovely and none will ever question the african american in her genes as she has many of the physical attributes of her biological father. I will raise her as a normal person. Teach history of all races. Her skin might be a creamy caramel but she is first a human being. I will make sure she has no racial identity crisis as she will know exactly who she is. We are who we define ourselves to be...from the inside not the out.
          It is my opinion that the racial categorization in this country (USA) is preposterous.

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          From: "Connie Ware-Berg" <connie.wareberg@...>
          To: "Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com"
          <Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com>
          Subject: [Generation-Mixed]
          Re: There is no such thing as a "light-skinned Black"
          Date: Thu, Dec 1, 2011 11:35 pm

          First I would like to say Please look into your history!!!!! Depending on where a person was born and lived had a lot to do with the skin tone color of the person. Today there are very few people in the world now that is pure blood any thing. Most of us are all a mixture of two or more.
          Second I would like to say that I am Irish, German, Indian (Several Tribes) on mother and fathers side (family history only so far), and African American, and I am Very Proud of All of my heritage and ancesters!! They are all what helped me to be me.
          Third I would like to say when I was growing up (and I still am) :) I was raised to like or dis like a person for the person and not for their skin tone color. I will be that way until the day the Creator says my days here on earth are done and it is time to go with him.
          Fourth If any one is interested they can look on the net for Mary (Molly) Welsh (Walsh) Bannaker. Benjamin Bannaker was her grandson. And Mary Welsh was my 8th generation gr-gr-mother. I have what I say is a very colorful history of ancesters and
          I am proud of all of them.
          Fifth I have my fathers side of the family back into the early 1700's, mothers side back to the late 1600's and my fathers mother's side back to the late 1700's if any one is interested you can contact me maybe we could be cousins who knows??
          Thank you for your time. Connie

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          From: Chibi <orriami@...>
          To: Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2011 7:16 PM
          Subject: [Generation-Mixed] Re: There is no such thing as a "light-skinned Black"

          It is a very funny thing I've always wondered really...the "white race"... is there really a way to define it? Does that just mean that as long as your skin is white, you are pure? My daughter's skin is white, is she pure, even though she is mixed?

          It baffles me. Most white people were already mixed anyway. European people did not all speak one language, hold one culture, or act in any
          particular way that was uniform. In fact, back in earlier times, people of the same or close skin color in Europe fought one another for land, for the mere fact that they hated or despised one's culture or viewpoints, for women, for EVERYTHING, much like other races did as well. These people were able to overcome their ways and mix among each other without as much complaint. A white American is a mixture of a lot of things usually. Most will cite at least two types of European lineage they have when they tell you in detail what they come from. My husband looks as white as you can come (lol), but most would be surprised to find that he is half Irish, and half Cherokee Indian.

          His biological father is all Cheerokee, or at least that is as much of him as we can identify. My husbands eyes are a stark blue, but his hair a a bit thicker on his head, and as far as body hair, he lacks a lot of it except for his legs. (no chest or back hair, most Indians did not have very much body hair.)But hes as pale as can be as well. No one notices that he is not fully white, which is horrendously ironic. Of course, I suppose his mixture is not as big of a deal as say, someone who was black and white. Most white people will just write him off as white too, and they'd think he was a part of that "pure race" with his bright blue eyes. If that is done today, imagine what mistakes other white people before might have made, or the secrets they might try to hide about their lineage...

          Me on the other hand, I am mostly African American, with a Korean Great grandmother, Cheerokee and black great grandfather, and from there most of my other family members are black, however we did also incoorperate some Hispanic, other Koreans, Chinese, and more American Indian relatives. I myself however am a mixture of races. Most people will tell me that I look like I'm something more than black, but my features are mostly black. I would, upon first glance, be written off as just black by most people, although a few times many people will tell me I look mixed (I can't quite figure out how though, lol). Fact is, even though I'm a mixture like my husband, and even though more people can tell it about me than my husband, I am "tainted" I suppose? Not that I too much care honestly about such a ridiculous thing, I try to embrace all of my cultures equally, just so happens I have been around more of my African American relatives than the others.

          It's sick and a waste of time really to focus on race so heavily. You'd think people would get over it already. Especially here in the south, where white people who want to be supremacists and egotists, and look down upon Hispanic and Black races mostly with disdain and disgust, ARE at some point, mixed. They have black people in their family somewhere...whether or not it was wanted, planned, or whatever they are there somewhere. And knowing that they probably do, even if it wasn't told to them, they shouldn't behave the way they do about it. It's as if they're in denial...maybe it would be different if they didn't claim they were pure raced...but to me that is denial. Our country still has a hell of a way to go when it comes to race...seems like other countries are so much more accepting, ironically, of it and we're the melting pot! I just hope for my daughter's sake there will be a major change in attitude about all of this.

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          In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
          "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@...> wrote:

          It often comes as a surprise
          for people to discover that …
          `There is No Such Thing as a
          "Light Skinned Black" person'.

          The actual term of "Light Skinned Black"
          is nothing more that a racist oxymoron
          that was coined by racial supremacists
          --- in an effort to try to forcibly deny the
          many `Mixed-Race' people who were / are
          of a Multi-Generational Multiracially-Mixed
          (MGM-Mixed) Ancestral Lineage the right
          TO both embrace (and also receive public
          support in openly acknowledging) the
          physically visible (and obvious)
          FACT of their FULL-ancestry.

          The eugenicists and other racial-supremacists
          created a non-scientific, spurious and racist concept
          called the `One-Drop Rule' (ODR) in an effort to
          falsely label any Black bloodlines found in a
          Mixed-Race individual's ancestral lineage as being
          both an "inferior" and a "contaminated" "taint"
          that was so "filthy" and "vile" that even a mere
          `drop' of it had quite literally managed (and would
          eternally continue) to destroy the actual existence of
          all of the other blood-lineages found in their ancestry.

          [NOTE: More information on the racist,
          reeking, odious ODR is found below.]

          Again, the so-called "Light Skinned Black" people
          are simply `Multi-Generational Multiracially-Mixed'
          (MGM-Mixed) / `Mixed-Race' people who happened
          to have been from families that BOTH BECAME
          (AND CONTINUALLY-REMAINED) Mixed-Race
          THROUGHOUT their multiple generations.

          [PLEASE NOTE that THIS IS NOT stating or implying
          that having a LIGHT-Complexioned SKIN tone
          IS THE `ONLY' (OR even a `REQUIRED') PROOF
          of any person being OF MIXED-RACE LINEAGE.

          It's simply stating that the person's Light-complexioned
          skin coloring and tone is quite clearly an UNDENIABLE
          physical PROOF of the FACT that their family's Ancestral
          Lineage has been `CONTINUALLY' racially Admixed
          `THROUGHOUT' the GENERATIONS (from the very first
          occurrence of "racial" admixing up to their very present
          generation of such – ex. Griffe marries Metis, etc.).

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          THE KEY to actually being a `Multi-Generational
          Multiracially-Mixed' (MGM-Mixed) Mixed-Race
          individual IS ONE'S LINEAGE-CONTINUITY!!

          In order to be of the Mixed-Race 'type' that is
          known as `Multi-Generational Multiracially-Mixed'
          or `MGM-Mixed' --- one's ancestry MUST have
          BOTH BECOME & REMAINED (at least 25%)
          racially-admixed THROUGHOUT all of their
          family generations -- starting with the
          very first occurrence of admixture
          up unto their present generation!

          [Simply having 1 or 2 "ancient-ancestors"
          who are said to have been of some
          "other race" and that are allegedly
          found "somewhere-down-the-line"
          (ex. a great-grand whatever of another
          "race") -- DOES NOT -- make anyone
          MGM-Mixed^ (or else nearly everyone
          found on the planet could then (falsely)
          claim that they are MGM-Mixed ^).
          (^Multi-Generational Multiracially-Mixed)]

          Being `Multi-Generational Multiracially-Mixed'
          or 'MGM-Mixed' REQUIRES that a person's
          lineage has a "CONTINUITY-of-Admixture".

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          A NOTE ON ... The Racist
          `One-Drop' Rule (ODR):

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          The 'One-Drop' Rule (ODR) --- [which is the false
          teaching that 'any amount' (even one, tiny, minute
          `drop') of Black ancestral lineage would make any
          a person who is of a Mixed-Race lineage "full Black"]
          --- is quite simply nothing more than racism.

          The racist, reeking, odious ODR was created during
          the antebellum / chattel-slavery era of the continental
          U.S. by racial-supremacists in order to get people to
          believe the false racist myth that the so-called White
          "race" was "pure" … and to also falsely look upon
          the Black "racial" admixture (even the slightest
          amount – down to one mere `drop') that was found
          within a Mixed-Race person's ancestral lineage --
          as being a vile "taint" that was so very `filthy'
          and `contaminated' that it literally "destroyed"
          every single `drop' of non-Black blood that
          was found in the persons' ancestral lineage.

          To embrace the 'One-Drop Rule' … is the
          equivalent of BOTH embracing "racism"
          and also embracing the false and racist
          teaching that a Mixed-Race person's
          Black ancestral lineage is "tainted".

          My advice is that a non-Racist should *not*
          embrace the concept of the 'One-Drop Rule'
          -- as "Black blood" is *not* "tainted" --
          and should never be perceived or embraced
          as being so (not even in the name
          of so-called "pride" and "unity").

          The racist 'One Drop Rule' (ODR) is an offense to
          the pride of people who are of a full-Black lineage
          and to people who of a Mixed-Race lineage that
          includes a part-Black ancestry as well -- and this
          FACT is also why it is not a 'unifying' force at all
          -- but rather, it is a racist attack on their heritages.

          In addition, legally-speaking – any attempted
          forcible application of the racist 'One-Drop Rule'
          (ODR) -- against any individual or group -- was
          ruled as UN-constitutional (i.e. made `illegal')
          by the United States Supreme Court in 1967
          via the case of 'Loving vs. The State of Virginia'.

          [Through the 'Loving vs. Virginia' case, the U.S.
          Supreme Court, ruled against both all of the laws
          banning Interracial marriage -- and -- also ruled
          that any so-called law which forcibly applied the
          'One Drop Rule' -- was racist, discriminatory,
          illegal, unconstitutional, and non-enforcible.

          That decision (`The "Loving" Decision' or
          `The "Loving" Case) struck down the racist
          `VA Racial Integrity Act' (VRIA) and every
          `Anti-Miscegenation Law' (AML) found in the
          U.S. — AS WELL AS the racist, `One-Drop Rule'
          (ODR) on which both the VRIA & the AMLs were based!]

          So … essentially … there has been no legal
          application of the racist "ONE-DROP RULE'
          (ODR) found within the U.S. SINCE 1967.

          [i.e. The stench of the reeking, racist, odious ODR
          (which openly-mocked, cruelly-degraded and also
          falsely-accused one's black-bloodlines of being a
          `contaminated taint' that destroyed the existence
          of any and all of one's other / non-black bloodlines)
          -- along with it's biased application and racist
          terminologies -- has legally been `cleared from
          the air' of the U.S. since way back in 1967.]

          Thus, again, there is NO SUCH THING as
          a "Light-Skinned Black" person (as these
          individuals are quite simply `Multi-Generational
          Multiracially-Mixed (MGM-Mixed)' Mixed-Race
          people who are from families that have
          been CONTINUALLY racially-admixed
          THROUGHOUT their generations).

          For more information on this topic,
          please feel to contact me via email
          and / or to visit the websites below.

          — APGifts, Founder / Moderator
          (Generation-Mixed; MGM-Mixed
          and FGM-Mixed `Yahoo!Groups')
          © All Rights Reserved
          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/generation-mixed
          <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/generation-mixed>
          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mgm-mixed
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          Related links:

          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1399
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          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1602
          <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1602>
          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1691
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          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1745
          <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1745>
          <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/3331>
          <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/3331>
          <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/3331>
          <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/3331>
          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/3331
          <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/3331>

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