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Re: [Generation-Mixed] Re: The U.S.C.B.'s role in the O.D.R.

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  • Philip Arnell
    An interesting story latonya. Dive more into your european background though, You might establish a connection more than you think.
    Message 1 of 7 , Mar 29, 2010
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      An interesting story latonya. Dive more into your european background though, You might establish a connection more than you think.


      From: latonyabeatty76 <latonyabeatty76@...>
      To: Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Sat, March 27, 2010 1:29:38 PM
      Subject: [Generation-Mixed] Re: The U.S.C.B.'s role in the O.D.R.

       

      This is the situation that happened to my ggrandfather. His father was black and mother American Indian. His race is the only thing that has contradicted all else. His name is even Tsalagi and not English. It just upsets me when I see this. I marked Indian and put the tribe on the census on behalf of my ggrandfather and our heritage. I would be more than happy to show them and explain to them why I did. I also have proof of white ancestry but don't feel connected to the part of my heritage.

      [[[ QUOTE:

      "Any mixture of White and Nonwhite should
      be reported according to the Nonwhite parent.
      Mixtures of Nonwhite races should be reported
      according to the race of the father, except that
      Negro-Indian should be reported as Negro.

      CENSUS : 1910" ]]]


    • ashley717717
      The USA is the only country in this hemisphere that has avoided recognizing mixed people. Canada has Metis, Mexico has Mesitizos, but the USA has been very
      Message 2 of 7 , Mar 30, 2010
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        The USA is the only country in this hemisphere that has avoided recognizing mixed people. Canada has Metis, Mexico has Mesitizos, but the USA has been very black and white on the issue and given criteria for being Black (any Negoid blood at all), White (pure), or Native American (on the rolls, with various criteria for being on a particular roll). I think we are putting good pressure on the government to recognize American mixes, and it's driving them crazy! hahahaha


        In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
        j s <creolescience@...> wrote:


        I suppose the real question is what was the deciding factor
        in the change in the 1940's census from Mulatto to Negro.
        Was it a desire for a greater black unity and therefore a rejection
        of the mulatto designation ("We are all black" like in the 60's)
        or a desire by whites to categorize them all as the same,
        perhaps even as a backlash against greater acceptance by
        whites of "Negro" culture ( Harlem Renaissance, music etc).?


        multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:


        THE USCB ENFORCEMENT OF
        THE RACIST `ONE-DROP RULE'"


        The Data shown below clearly demonstrates
        how the United States Census Bureau (USCB)
        has used a form of "documentary-genocide" in
        an attempt to both annihilate the factual-record
        of the existence of `certain' Mixed-Race groups
        and to also deny said groups the right to be able to
        lay claim to and publicly-embrace their full-lineage.:

        (Notice how the definitions used for Mixed-Race
        people changed with each census -- until the
        term was finally eliminated altogether – with
        the remaining entire `Mixed-Race' people
        groupings altogether mis-categorized.

        Notice also how –without any explanation –
        it is simply and continually decided that ---
        anyone who is of the 'African-American' Ethnic
        group is also to be considered as `mono'-racially
        Black / Negro'Race' – regardless of the person's
        true "racial-admixture" may, in fact, actually be.)

        Thanks to groups like the USCB, Mulatto /
        Mixed-Race people began to be viewed under
        the oxymoron of "Light-Skinned Blacks",
        and the Mulatto /Mixed-Race category
        eventually removed from the Forms.

        From then on, Mixed-Race people
        became silenced by One-Droppism.


        Historical racial classification and the census:

        Year: 1900
        Category: White, Black, Indian, Chinese, and Japanese

        Year: 1910
        Category: White, Black, Mulatto, Chinese,
        Japanese, Indian, Other (plus write-in)

        Year: 1920
        Category: White, Black, Mulatto, Indian,
        Chinese, Japanese, Filipino, Hindu,
        Korean, and Other (plus write-in)

        Year: 1930
        Category: White, Negro, Indian, Mexican,
        Chinese, Japanese, Filipino, Hindu,
        Korean (Other races, spell out in full)

        Year: 1940
        Category: White, Negro, Indian, Chinese,
        Japanese, Filipino, Hindu, Korean
        (Other races, spell out in full)

        Year: 1950
        Category: White, Negro, Indian, Japanese,
        Chinese, Filipino (Other races, spell out)

        Year: 1960
        Category: White, Negro, American Indian,
        Japanese, Chinese, Filipino, Hawaiian,
        Part Hawaiian, Aleut, Eskimo

        Year: 1970
        Category: White, Negro or Black, Indian
        (American), Japanese, Chinese, Filipino,
        Hawaiian, Korean, Other (print race)

        Year: 1980
        Category: White, Negro, Indian (American),
        Japanese, Chinese, Filipino, Korean,
        Vietnamese, Asian Indian, Hawaiian,
        Guamanian, Samoan, Eskimo, Aleut,
        Other (specify); each person
        can also be Hispanic or Latino.

        Year: 1990
        Category: White, Black, Indian (American), Chinese,
        Filipino, Hawaiian, Korean, Japanese, Eskimo,
        Aleut, Vietnamese, Asian Indian, Samoan,
        Guamanian, Other Asian Pacific Islander,
        Other race; and Hispanic or Latino.

        SOURCE: https://www.amherst.edu/library/research/courserelated/spring06/hist10.html


        1870 Census: Instructions to Assistant Marshals

        Color:

        Be particularly careful in
        reporting the class Mulatto.

        The word is here generic, and includes
        quadroons, octoroons, AND `all persons
        having any perceptible trace of African blood'.

        Important scientific-results depend upon the correct
        determination of this class in schedules 1 and 2.

        SOURCE: http://www.ipums.umn.edu/%7Epipums/voliii/inst1930.html

        1890 Census: Instructions to Enumerators

        "COLOR, SEX, AND AGE

        4. Whether White, Black, mulatto, Quadroon,
        Octoroon, Chinese, Japanese, or Indian.—
        Write White, Black, Mulatto, Quadroon, Octoroon,
        Chinese, Japanese, or Indian, according to
        the color or race of the person enumerated.

        Be particularly careful to distinguish between
        Blacks, Mulattos, Quadroons, and Octoroons.

        The word "mulatto," [should be used to
        describe] those persons who have from
        three-eighths to five-eighths black blood;
        "quadroon," those persons who have
        one-fourth black blood; and "octoroon,
        "those persons who have one-eighth
        or `any trace' of Black blood".

        SOURCE: http://www.ipums.umn.edu/%7Epipums/voliii/inst1930.html

        1910 Census: Instructions to Enumerators


        PERSONAL DESCRIPTION

        Color or Race:

        Write "W" for white;
        "B" for black;
        "Mu" for mulatto;
        "In" for Indian;
        "Ch" for Chinese;
        "Jp" for Japanese;
        For all persons not falling within one
        of these classes, write "Ot" (for other)…

        … the term "Black" (B) includes All persons
        Who Are Evidently Full-Blooded Negroes,
        while the term "Mulatto" (Mu) includes all
        other persons having "some proportion
        or perceptible trace of Negro blood".

        SOURCE: http://www.ipums.umn.edu/%7Epipums/voliii/inst1930.html

        1920 Census: Instructions to Enumerators

        PERSONAL DESCRIPTION

        Color or Race.—

        Write "W" for white;
        "B" for black;
        "Mu" for mulatto;
        "In" for Indian;
        "Ch" for Chinese;
        "Jp" for Japanese;
        For all persons not falling within one
        of these classes, write "Ot" (for other)…

        … the term "black" (B) includes all persons
        who are evidently full-blooded negroes,
        while the term "mulatto" (Mu) includes all
        other persons having some proportion
        or perceptible trace of negro blood.

        SOURCE: http://usa.ipums.org/usa/voliii/inst1920.shtml

        Race in 1930

        Someone who was part Indian and
        part Negro was to be reported as Negro
        unless the Indian blood predominated and the person
        was `generally accepted' as an Indian in the community.

        SOURCE: http://genealogy.about.com/library/print/nuchinckley1a.htm

        1940 Census: Instructions to Enumerators

        Color or Race

        Write "W" for white; "Neg" for Negro;"In" for Indian;
        "Jp" for Japanese; "Fil" for Filipino; "Kor" for Korean;
        "Chi" for Chinese; and "Hi" for Hindu;

        For a person of any other race, write the race in full.

        455. Negroes

        A person of mixed White and Negro blood
        should be returned as Negro, no matter
        how small a percentage of Negro blood.
        Both Black and Mulatto persons are to be
        returned as Negroes, without distinction.
        A person of mixed Indian and Negro
        blood should be returned as a Negro,
        unless the Indian blood very definitely
        predominates -- AND -- he is `universally
        accepted' in the community as an Indian.

        457. Mixed Races

        Any mixture of White and Nonwhite should
        be reported according to the Nonwhite parent.
        Mixtures of Nonwhite races should be reported
        according to the race of the father, except that
        Negro-Indian should be reported as Negro.

        SOURCE: http://www.usa.ipums.org/usa/voliii/inst1940.shtml

        1950 Census: Instructions to Enumerators

        Personal Characteristics

        Item 9. Race

        114. Item 9.

        Determining and entering race.

        Write "W" for white; "Neg"
        for Negro; "Ind" for
        American Indian;
        "Chi" for Chinese; "Jap" for
        Japanese; "Fil" for Filipino.
        For a person of any other
        race, write the race in full.

        Assume that the race of
        related persons living in the
        household is the same as the
        race of your respondent,
        unless you learn otherwise.

        For unrelated persons
        (employees, hired hands,
        lodgers, etc.) you must ask the
        race, because knowledge of the
        housewife's race (for example)
        tells nothing of the maid's race.

        116. Negroes.-


        Report "Negro" (Neg)
        for Negroes and for
        persons of Mixed White
        -And-Negro-Parentage.

        A person of Mixed-Indian-
        and-Negro-Blood should
        be returned as a Negro,
        unless the Indian blood very
        definitely predominates
        -- AND -- he is `accepted'
        in the community as an Indian.

        (Note, however, the exceptions
        described in par. l18 below.)

        117. American Indians.

        Report "American Indian"
        (Ind) for persons of
        Mixed-White-And-
        Indian-Blood -- if enrolled
        on an Indian Agency or Reservation roll;
        if not so enrolled, they should
        still be reported as Indian if
        the proportion of Indian blood
        is One-Fourth or more, or if
        they are `regarded' as Indians
        in the community where they live.
        (See par. 116 for persons of
        Mixed-Indian-And-Negro-
        Blood and also exceptions
        noted in par. 118.)
        In those counties where there
        are many Indians living outside
        of reservations, special care
        should be taken to obtain
        accurate answers to item 9.

        118. Special communities.

        Report persons of Mixed-White-
        Negro-And-Indian-Ancestry
        `living in certain communities'
        in the Eastern United State's
        in terms of The Name By
        Which They Are Locally Known.

        The communities in question
        are of long standing and are
        locally recognized by special
        names, such as '"Croatian,"
        "Jackson White," "We-sort," etc.

        Persons of Mixed-Indian-And-
        Negro-Ancestry and Mulattoes
        `not living in such communities'
        should be returned as
        "Negro" (see par. 116).

        When in doubt, describe
        the situation in a footnote.

        119. Mixed parentage.

        Report Race of Nonwhite
        parent for persons of
        Mixed-White-And-Nonwhite-Races.

        Mixtures of Nonwhite races
        should be reported according
        to the race of the father.

        (Note, however, exceptions detailed
        in pars. 116 and 118 above.)

        SOURCE: http://www.ipums.umn.edu/Epipums/voliii/inst1930.html

        CENSUS : 1850, 1860
        RACE QUESTION: Color
        ENUMERATOR INSTRUCTIONS:
        White, Black, or Mulatto.

        CENSUS : 1870, 1880
        RACE QUESTION: Color
        ENUMERATOR INSTRUCTIONS:
        White (W), Black (B), Mulatto
        (M), Chinese (C), Indian (I).

        CENSUS: 1900
        RACE QUESTION: Color or race
        ENUMERATOR INSTRUCTIONS:

        Write "W" for White; "B" for Black (Negro OR
        `Of-Negro-Descent'); "Ch" for Chinese; "JP" for
        Japanese, and "In" for Indian, as the case may be.

        CENSUS : 1910
        RACE QUESTION: Color or race
        ENUMERATOR INSTRUCTIONS:

        108.
        Write "W" for white; "B"
        for Black; "Mu" for Mulatto;
        "Ch" for Chinese; "Jp" for Japanese; "In" for Indian.
        For all persons not falling within one of these classes,
        write "Ot" (for other), and write on the left-hand margin
        of the schedule the race of the person so indicated. 109.
        For census purposes, the term `Black' (B)
        includes all persons who are evidently
        Full-Blooded Negroes, while the term "Mulatto"
        (Mu) includes all other persons having Some
        Proportion or Perceptible Trace of Negro Blood.

        CENSUS: 1920
        RACE QUESTION: Color or race
        ENUMERATOR INSTRUCTIONS:

        120.
        Write "W" for white, "B" for Black;
        "Mu" for Mulatto; "In" for Indian;
        "Ch" for Chinese; "Jp" for Japanese; "Fil" for
        Filipino; "Hin" for Hindu; "Kor" for Korean.
        For all persons not falling within one of these classes,
        write "Ot" (for other), and write on the left-hand margin
        of the schedule the race of the person so indicated. 121.
        For census purposes, the term `Black' (B)
        includes all persons who are evidently
        Full-Blooded Negroes, while the term "Mulatto"
        (Mu) includes all other persons having Some
        Proportion or Perceptible Trace of Negro Blood.

        CENSUS : 1940
        RACE QUESTION: Color or race
        ENUMERATOR INSTRUCTIONS:

        453. Write "W" for white; "Neg"
        for Negro; "In" for Indian;
        "Chi" for Chinese; "Jp" for Japanese; "Fil" for
        Filipino; "Hi" for Hindu; and "Kor" for Korean.
        For a person of any other race, write the race in full.

        454. Mexicans.

        Mexicans are to be regarded as white unless
        definitely of Indian or other nonwhite race.

        455. Negroes.

        A person of mixed white and Negro blood
        should be returned as Negro, no matter
        how small a percentage of Negro blood.
        Both Black and Mulatto persons are to be
        returned as Negroes, without distinction.
        A person of Mixed-Indian-And-Negro-Blood
        should be returned as a Negro, unless the Indian
        blood very definitely predominates and he is universally
        accepted in the community as an Indian.

        456. Indians.

        A person of Mixed-White-And-Indian-Blood
        should be returned as an Indian, if enrolled
        on an Indian agency or reservation roll, or if not
        so enrolled, if the proportion of Indian blood is
        One-Fourth Or More, or if the person is regarded
        as an Indian in the community where he lives.

        457. Mixed Races.

        Any mixture of White and Nonwhite should
        be reported according to the Nonwhite parent.

        Mixtures of Nonwhite races should be reported
        according to the race of the father, except that
        Negro-Indian should be reported as Negro.

        Note that Mulattos no longer have
        their own category from this point
        forward, but they were also
        without a separate category in 1900.


        CENSUS : 1950
        RACE QUESTION: Race:
        ENUMERATOR INSTRUCTIONS:

        White (W); Negro (Neg);
        American Indian (Ind) ;
        Japanese (Jap); Chinese (Chi);
        Filipino (Fil) ;
        Other race – spell out

        114. Item 9.

        Determining and entering race.-
        Write "W" for white; "Neg" for
        Negro; "Ind" for American Indian;
        "Chi" for Chinese; "Jap" for Japanese; "Fil" for Filipino.
        For a person of any other race, write the race in full.

        Assume that the race of related persons living
        in the household is the same as the race of your
        respondent, unless you learn otherwise.

        For unrelated persons (employees, hired hands,
        lodgers, etc.) you must ask the race, because
        knowledge of the housewife's race (for
        example) tells nothing f the maid's race.

        115. Mexicans.

        Report "white" (W) for Mexicans unless they are
        definitely of Indian or other nonwhite race.

        116. Negroes.

        Report "Negro" (Neg) for Negroes and for
        persons of Mixed-White-And-Negro-Parentage.

        A person of Mixed-Indian-And-Negro-Blood
        should be returned as a Negro, unless the
        Indian blood very `definitely predominates' --
        AND -- he is `accepted' in the community as an Indian.
        (Note, however, the exceptions described in par. l18 below.)

        117. American Indians.

        Report "American Indian" (Ind) for persons of
        Mixed-White-And-Indian-Blood if enrolled on an
        Indian Agency or Reservation roll; if not so enrolled,
        they should still be reported as Indian if the proportion
        of Indian blood is One-Fourth Or More, or if they are
        regarded as Indians in the community where they live.

        (See par. 116 for persons of mixed Indian and
        Negro blood and also exceptions noted in par. 118.)

        In those counties where there are many Indians
        living outside of reservations, special care should
        be taken to obtain accurate answers to item 9.

        118. Special communities.

        Report persons of mixed white, Negro, and Indian ancestry
        living in certain communities in the Eastern United States
        in terms of the name by which they are locally known.
        The communities in question are of long standing and
        are locally recognized by special names, such as '
        "Croatian," "Jackson White," "We-sort," etc.

        Persons of Mixed-Indian-And-Negro-
        Ancestry and Mulattoes 'not living in such
        communities' should be returned as "Negro"

        (see par. 116). When in doubt,
        describe the situation in a footnote.

        119. Mixed parentage.

        Report race of Nonwhite parent for persons
        of Mixed-White-And-Nonwhite races.
        Mixtures of nonwhite races should be
        reported according to the race of the father.
        (Note, however, exceptions
        detailed in pars. 116 and 118 above.)

        CENSUS : 1960
        RACE QUESTION:

        Is this person –
        White, Negro, American Indian,
        Japanese, Chinese, Filipino, Hawaiian,
        Part Hawaiian, Aleut, Eskimo, (etc.)?

        (STARTING IN 1970 THERE WERE
        NO ENUMERATOR INSTRUCTIONS
        BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE THEN
        ALLOWED TO CHOOSE THEIR
        OWN "RACIAL" CATEGORIES.)


        CENSUS : 1970
        COLOR OR RACE

        Fill one circle. If "Indian (American),"
        also give tribe. If "Other," also give race.
        O White
        O Negro or Black
        O Indian (Amer.)
        Print tribe ____________________
        O Japanese
        O Chinese
        O Filipino
        O Hawaiian
        O Korean
        O Other -
        Print race ____________________
        [On the questionnaires used in Alaska,
        the categories "Aleut" and "Eskimo"
        were substituted for "Hawaiian"
        and "Korean" in question 4.]


        CENSUS : 1980
        COLOR OR RACE

        Is this person --
        Fill one circle.
        O White
        O Asian Indian
        O Black or Negro
        O Hawaiian
        O Japanese
        O Guamanian
        O Chinese
        O Samoan
        O Filipino
        O Eskimo
        O Korean
        O Aleut
        O Vietnamese
        O Other -
        Specify __________
        O Indian (Amer.)
        Print tribe ____________
        "Fill the circle for the category with
        which the person most closely identifies.
        If you fill the Indian (American) or
        Other circle, be sure to print the name
        of the specific Indian tribe or specific group."

        CENSUS : 1990
        COLOR OR RACE

        Fill ONE circle for the race that the
        person considers himself/herself to be.
        If Indian (Amer.), print the name
        of the enrolled or principal Tribe.

        If Other Asian or Pacific Islander
        (API), print one group, for example:

        Hmong, Fijian, Laotian, Thai, Tongan,
        Pakistani, Cambodian, and so on.
        If Other race, print race.
        O White
        O Black or Negro
        O Indian (Amer.)
        (Print the name of the enrolled
        or principal tribe.)
        _______________
        O Eskimo
        O Aleut
        Asian or Pacific Islander (API)
        O Chinese
        O Japanese
        O Filipino
        O Asian Indian
        O Hawaiian
        O Samoan
        O Korean
        O Guamanian
        O Vietnamese
        O Other API
        ____________________
        O Other race (Print race)
        ____________________

        "Fill ONE circle for the race each person
        considers himself/herself to be.
        If you fill the Indian (Amer.) circle,
        print the name of the Tribe or Tribes
        in which the person is enrolled.
        If the person is not enrolled in a tribe,
        print the name of the principal tribe(s).
        If you fill the Other API circle [under
        Asian or Pacific Islander (API)],
        only print the name of the group
        to which the person belongs.
        For example, the Other API category
        includes persons who identify as Burmese,
        Fijian, Hmong, Indonesian, Laotian,
        Bangladeshi, Pakistani, Tongan, Thai,
        Cambodian, Sri Lankan, and so on.
        If you fill the Other race circle, be
        sure to print the name of the race.

        If the person considers himself/herself to
        be White, Black or Negro, Eskimo
        or Aleut, fill one circle only.

        Please do not print the race in the boxes.

        The Black or Negro category
        also includes persons who
        identify as 'African-American'
        Afro-American, Haitian, Jamaican,
        West Indian, Nigerian, and so on.

        All persons, regardless of citizenship
        status, should answer this question."


        CENSUS : 2000
        COLOR OR RACE

        What is this person's race?
        Mark one or more races to indicate what
        this person considers himself/herself to be.
        White
        Black, 'African-American', or Negro
        American Indian or Alaska Native
        ______________
        (print name of enrolled or principal tribe)
        Asian Indian
        Native Hawaiian
        Japanese
        Korean
        Vietnamese
        Guamanian or Chomorro
        Samoan
        Other Pacific Islander
        ______________________
        Some Other Race
        _______________________

        New standards, issued in 1997, made for
        5 minimum racial categories instead of 4.
        ("Asian or Pacific Islander" is now
        "Asian" and "Hawaiian or Pacific Islander.)

        The categories are now American Indian
        or Alaskan Native, Asian, Black or
        'African-American', Native Hawaiian
        and Other Pacific Islander, White.

        For the first time, people can select more than
        one when they self-identify, and respondents
        are instructed to check all races that apply..
        There were 15 check box response categories
        and 3 write-in areas (as compared with
        1990's 16 responses and 2 write-ins.
        They combined the 3 separate categories
        of American Indian, Eskimo, or Aleut
        into one – American Indian or Alaska
        Native – with instructions to write in the tribe.
        And "Asian and Pacific Islander" is now two
        categories, Asian, and "Native Hawaiian
        and Other Pacific Islander."
        The categories are meant to be collapsible
        to the "six basic racial categories"
        (quoted from the Census Bureau document
        "Racial and Ethnic Classifications used in
        Census 2000 and Beyond (2000) found at http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/race/racefactcb.html)

        SOURCE: www.rci.rutgers.edu/~vbashi/soc108-handout-census.htm

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