Re: Strange Media Observation
- That's an excellent point.
It should be remembered, however, that it's not just the AAs
who need to portray less stereotypical roles (although this
Ethnic group is clearly Hollywood's favorite target.
In fact, it is actually a group of AAs who have led the
protest in Hollywood for decades against stereotypical
roles and tried to get most AAs actors and entertainers (as well
as all actors-of-color) to simply refuse to take on such roles.
A modern example of this would be Robert
Townsend's protest-comedy "Hollywood Shuffle".
An historical example would be Lena Horne's refusal to take on
what would have been sterotypical roles for an AA actress in her
day (a move which, by the way, nearly got her banned in Hollywood.)
lenda aranir <lendaaranir@y...> wrote:
You are right donnell but we need more AAs to potray a less
stereotypical image in hollywood.The movie hustle and flow is another
stereotypical movie.They have mgm mixee terrence howard acting as a
hood pimp and all he knows best is rapping.Terrence howard should
have turned down that role.
donnell lattimore <caramelkid1010@...> wrote:
just because people play sterotypes, doesnt mean we should play into
them..that's why it's called acting.
Heron Simmonds <heron_bone@...> wrote:
I couldn't find the website that a student sent me, but here is
I'm going to check out the Bogle book thanks.
multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:
Agreed --- 100%.
In fact, as stated earlier, many of the racist and stereotypical
characters and plots found in these clearly unbearably moronic
films (as well as the various other forms of media `entertainment'
including, quite often, the 6:00 news) seem to be based very
much on any one of the racist stereotypes spoken of in the book:
----"TOMS, COONS, MULATTOES, MAMMIES & BUCKS"
(Note: This book was written by author, Donald Bogle) ---
Heron Simmonds <heron_bone@y...> wrote:
I totally agree that Bringing Down the House is
shameless and shameful, except I am puzzled
that people find this presentation strange.
Anti-Black racism is basic to American culture.
I'll try to fish up an interesting website a
student of mine gave me on the history of theater.
In lieu of that documentation let me make a short
case for the normality of selling black deviancy.
The American minstrel, the parent of American theater
was based in racist representations of black people.
The first uses of film (experimental-Edison and
polished-Birth of a Nation) are intensely racist.
Black film making didn't make any significant commercial
splash in America until Blaxploitation films.
American politics still follows the racist Southern Strategy.
And rap musicians, despite (or rather because of)
their creative intelligence and business acumen,
know that sex, drugs, and violence is what sells.
And white audiences seem to enjoy it even
more when the art depicts blacks doing it. ...
What is in the center remains bourgeois respectability,
which remains, by definition, not Black.
Isn't that what the movie was about?
You cannot make a ghetto girl respectable.
If you try to include blacks you are
liable to bring down your own house.
Heron-bone aka Professor Unity
as in Let's B one
john <reddgold_32@...> wrote:
I'm glad you bought that up.
I thought I was the only one who thought that way.
I always admire queen latifah but I didn't
like the the movie bring down the house.
To me she played a stereotypical role and I didn't
like how the white characters responded to her.
They even darken her a little to appear more black.
Have you noticed that too?
The movie that drives me crazy is "Bringing Down the House".
Queen Latifah was a disgrace!
When she was rapping, she always presented
herself as a strong, independant woman.
I thought she really compromised the message of her music,
all the work she has done over the years by acting so
stupid and emulating stereotypes of Blacks in that movie.
Notice that Halle and Latifah now both have Cover Girl
Steve Martin was shameful too.
- .......but there was another movie name the underworld. The guy at the end turned half vampire and half werwolf,which made him stronger.
Brittany Link <babydoll211987@...> wrote:they couldnt have vampires of color cause then we'd have sun protection and we'd be killing all day lol, Also for those who are thinking being mixed is 'the best of both worlds crap' I start to think about blade, he was half human half vampire, he had the negative and postive of both. Also another one would be to think about a hermapherdite , half male half female. do they have the best of both worlds?
sudoangel2000 <sudoangel2000@...> wrote:
Certainly a movie that sticks with you for that scene alone.
Romero I would have to give credit to for incorporated people of
color in his films. After all, Zombies can be any shade of human
Trust me you are not missing anything by not watching "Monster Balls"
or "Training Day". You're friend is right the scene in MB is akin to
the rape scene from Mandigo.
Notice that Halle gets roles in higher budget movies now. I think it
shows in her demeaner that she was pressured or else her career would
go nowhere. Sad.
Denzel's role in training day made me want to see him get his a**
beat, shot, something the role was that obnoxious. Some will say
that makes a good actor to cause that kind of reaction in a film.
Hey I see guys like that everyday in front of the liquor stores. Not
so special after all.
Have you noticed that there are not many vampires of color as well.
Blacula was a joke (I'm a extreme vampire movie fan). Seems to me
vampires would not be particular in the person they bite. Interview
with the Vampire the people of color got sucked dry.
--- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com, "multiracialbookclub"
> Omigosh -- it is just too funny that you mentioned
> that scene in "Night of the Dead" -- because
> that was the exact scene that I instantly
> thought of when I read the article ... lol
> What was just as bad was that not only was he the only
> person "of-color" inthe film -- but he was also the main
> hero of the film who courageously saves the lives of
> almost all the other surviving characters ... then ...
> literally for not provocation or rational reason ...
> he is simply shot dead on the spot (it almost seemed
> like a pseudo-social-psychological political statement
> being made to the masses by hollywood at the time).
> Wow .. it is just so funny that you made mention
> of the very movie scene that came to my mind also. :D
> Sesame Street was also the only place
> I ever saw any MGMs or any other
> mixed-raced people on TV for years.
> The films 'Training Day' and 'Monster
> Ball' are two which I have not seen.
> Many people advised me to not see 'Monster Ball' because
> they felt the so-called 'love scene' in it was extremely
> offensive; near pornographic; and more akin to a 'rape
> of a slave' scene out of some 1970's 'Mandingo' film.
> Having never seen the either film -- I have simply decided
> to heed their warning and continue to wonder why Hollywood
> did not feel that Berry's performances in films such as
> 'Losing Isaiah' (which although held a stereotypical
> person-of-color-on-drugs plot, did not use exploitative
> nude scenes) was not also considered to be Oscar-worthy.
> --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
> "sudoangel2000" <sudoangel2000@y...> wrote:
> Actually being an avid horror movie fan this guy
> picks up on everything that I noticed in the movies.
> Not just horror movies.
> When I was little I watched TV in hopes of seeing other
> like me MGMs,the closest I got was Sesame Street..lol
> The movie that made it clear that people of color no
> matter what their role in a film would be killed off at
> some point was the original "Night of the Living Dead".
> The black man that managed to survive gets shot
> in the head by a redneck sheriff just when you
> think he had made it through the mayhem.
> These days it's a little better but not much.
> I think it's the way Hollywood perpetuates the
> stereotypes and has no qualms about doing so.
> Example Denzel Washington wins the Oscar for
> "Training Day" which I felt was the most stereotypical
> role he could have played considering he had
> films that where he was the "thugish" type.
> Or Halle Berry winning the Oscar for "Monster Balls".
> Previous to the film she refused to disrobe.
> As soon as she does (Hollywood
> pressure) she wins the Oscar.
> For what really?
> That was one of the worst,
> disjointed movies I've ever seen.
> The plot was thin or rather maybe an
> idea that never really clarified.
> Oh don't get me started...lol
> I'll leave it at this and agree
> with that guy's observations.
> --- In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
> "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@h...> wrote:
> Speaking of 'the media', this link had a
> kind of funny observation that someone
> made ... so I thought I'd share it.
> In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
> j s <creolescience@y...> wrote:
> I think in most media, unless they are mixed and aware
> of the special circumstances it brings, they will
> probably see it as a black and white issue without
> middleground. I think the work probably reflects the
> limitation of the creators and their experiences.
> --- Lynn <wintyreeve@> wrote:
> That's a good point...
> How are mixed people portrayed in the media?
> My soap opera, Guiding Light, actually has
> an interracial couple married in the series.
> They have a daughter but you see very little
> of her, I think she was featured on the show only once ~
> Really- there is no middle ground.
> You see the extreme of the stereotypes, the people
> who make these shows must create their own reality?
> What do you think?
> Lynn (GraceofWynn)
> --- "creolescience" <creolescience@y...> wrote:
> Ok, so how is Paul Saterfield mixed?
> My big question.
> See I remember him from General Hospital.
> I mean a friend told me - yeah that's it.
> Alright I worked nights back then
> and there wasn't much on TV...
> But seriously how is he mixed?
> To me he was always the epitomy
> of aryan "whiteness".
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