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  • phillymom35
    Hello GM Fam .. I d like to welcome Heather to the Best Group [Generation-Mixed]..EVER!.. I m a newbie as well, they ve made me feel totally at home here,
    Message 1 of 17 , Dec 3, 2006
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      Hello GM Fam' ...

      I'd like to welcome Heather to the Best Group [Generation-Mixed] ... EVER! ...

      I'm a "newbie" as well, they've made me feel totally at home
      here, perhaps because we all at sometime had [ still have]
      the same concerns, questions or perhaps in research

      maybe you were talking with a peer or trying to
      talk sensible with a family member only to realize
      they don't feel the way you do, so it falls on a deaf ear

      then GM's is the place for you ...
      here ... you won't be classed or categorized ...

      also I understand your concerns about your son, and rightfully so [how old?]
      that we've come this far, yet the mentality of others remains the same ...
      but the key in my opinion is knowledge continue to educate your
      son ... that he'll accept himself for who he is inside ... give him
      history of your [as much as you can] ancestry-lineage.

      Explain to him how cruel people can be ''cause of skin color” ...
      let him know the ignorance is Alive and sometime
      in his life he'll be asked "Well - What are you?" ...
      and if he chooses to tell them and they will still assume what they want
      ... butttttttt! ... as long as he is comfortable with his inner self ...
      he will be ok ... they have the problem ... NOT HIM! [tell him]

      I wish I had someone to talk to me,[when I was younger] ...
      give me history etc. ... why my mother's skin is light bright.
      almost white! ... mine's brown ... why her hair was [not any
      more cause of gray] sandy ... mine black. [lol].why no one
      told me about the ignorance I would encounter [ as a child]
      ... when my mother took me into a store with another
      sister [light] ... and someone she knew said ''oh I
      didn't know that was your daughter! [ME] ... [gosh]

      I've gotten a tremendous amount of info, and help from GM ...

      I was doing some research before I joined the group, but
      they have opened a lot of avenues for me to continue

      ... and I'm constantly learning ... and eager to know more ...
      some of which is heart wrenching, but it's HISTORY and this
      information will go to my grands, hopefully passed on ...
      don't want ignorance nor the lack of knowledge hinder them

      I hope this will help them in how they perceive
      other People-of-Color ... or people period!
      I can honestly say I don't pre-judge ... I accept people
      for who they are ... can attribute some of this to my
      Indian grandmother ... the rest ... is Self taught.

      My history - ancestry - lineage is Mixed.........

      I'm assumed African American ..
      birth record reads ‘Colored’ and on occasion
      someone will ask "What are you?" ...

      I am A Generation-Mixed.


      Have a Good Sunday Evening Everyone


      Oh by the way Heather, I saw the same show [Oprah] ...
      I think one of the men Terrence Howard?
      The other one I can't remember.


      Heather Stimmel <heather21230@...> wrote:
      Let me properly introduce myself.

      My name is Heather and I'm a new member of GM.

      I'm really excited about being here
      and getting to know everyone!

      I posted previously, including information
      about myself and my family.

      Anyhow ... just wanted to say, "Hello"
      to everyone and comment on this post.

      First off, I thought the pictures were awful ... but, it is
      what it is- history (as sad and as graphic as it may seem).
      My first feeling was of sadness and anger ... sadness
      for what happened to Blacks and Mixed-Race people
      back then (even now!) and anger at so many Whites who
      were stupid enough and ignorant enough (and pathetic
      enough!!!) to ALLOW something like this to happen.

      That said, I totally agree with the writer/or
      producer of the intro and opening page of the site.
      They got it right on the money: if a word like the 'N' word was
      born out of hate and racism, why in the world would anyone want
      to use it ... for "slang" or as a greeting (or ANY reason)?????

      That has always been a question of mine.

      Unfortunately, my son (who, by the way, is a straight-A,
      GOOD KID=) has had the experience of already
      hearing this word from many, ignorant Whites.

      That saddens me, and makes me MAD.

      The thing is ... there is NO WAY I'd want him out there,
      on the streets (or anywhere else), saying the exact,
      same word (for so-called "leisure purposes???" ) that
      someone called him, because of the color of his skin ...
      because they are repulsed by the fact that my son isn't White!

      It's just as stupid for that to happen as what
      happened to minorities back in the 60's.

      I just can't fathom it.

      I remember, one day, watching an episode of Oprah (who I
      LOVE=) on T.V. and she had a famous, Black actor on there
      (can't remember his name, but can see his face plain-as-day= )
      and she asked him (as well as other actors and actresses
      who were on the show and in the same movie with this actor)
      what he thought about Black youth using the 'N' word.
      He said, "honestly," he felt it was O.K. for them to do it,
      because it was a "cultural thing" and they did it, not out
      of disrespect to any one person but, because it was being
      used as a "greeting" or like, "Hey, brother, what's up?"
      Oprah immediately said to this actor that she disagreed with
      him and that she believes if the youth (or anyone else of color)
      continues to use the word, that's just giving free reign to
      Whites and other racist people to use the word and not feel
      like it's bad, or has a negative connotation associated with it.

      That said, how many people-of-color would want a White
      person (who is racist, by the way) to call them the 'N' word?
      Not any that I know!!!

      It's one of those things (like racism) that needs to be "put out
      on the table" and discussed openly and honestly by all races,
      with the intention of everyone involved walking away having
      actually learned something and have changes of HEART.

      That's what it's all about.

      When we view each other as HUMAN AND PEOPLE
      who God put on this earth to love and appreciate,
      THEN things will begin to change.

      It's a heart-thing.

      If your heart is full of anger, resentment, vengeance
      and all other negative emotions, there's no room for
      things like openness, peace, love and forgiveness.
      A healing needs to take place and in order for that to
      happen, people of all races, nationalities, religions,
      etc. need to be open to the possibilities.
      If not, the world will stay the same, depressing, evil way it is.

      Don't get me wrong ... there are TONS of great people
      in the world- people willing to LISTEN, people willing
      to LOVE instead of hate, people willing to give each
      other a chance without malice and without judgment.

      I know plenty of them=) The people who aren't this way, though,
      are the ones who make it difficult to enjoy life for those of
      us who are sincere, and would like to see things change.

      I will step down from my soapbox here=)

      This is just something I feel very strongly about and wish, in my
      heart, would change the way people are and treat one another.

      Hope everyone's having a great weekend.

      We'll be going to our meeting ("church")
      soon, so I need to finish gettin' ready.

      Take care and God bless!!!!!

      Sincerely, Heather S.

    • tlbaker1
      Welcome, Heather! Philly you sound like me with the why is my mother s skin so light and the rest of her family . I knew where my caramel skin came from
      Message 2 of 17 , Dec 3, 2006
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        Welcome, Heather!

        Philly you "sound" like me with the 'why is my
        mother's skin so light and the rest of her family'.
        I knew where my caramel skin came from because
        of my father - like biology - white flower and
        red flower produces pink flower offspring.
        I just adore biology and genetics - always have.

         

        Lynne

         


        From: Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com
        [mailto: Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com ]
        On Behalf Of
        phillymom35
        Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 7:30 PM
        To: Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [Generation-Mixed] Re:Abolish the N word

         

        Hello GM Fam' ...

        I'd like to welcome Heather to the Best Group [Generation-Mixed] ... EVER! ...

        I'm a "newbie" as well, they've made me feel totally at home
        here, perhaps because we all at sometime had [ still have]
        the same concerns, questions or perhaps in research

        maybe you were talking with a peer or trying to
        talk sensible with a family member only to realize
        they don't feel the way you do, so it falls on a deaf ear

        then GM's is the place for you ...
        here ... you won't be classed or categorized ...

        also I understand your concerns about your son, and rightfully so [how old?]
        that we've come this far, yet the mentality of others remains the same ...
        but the key in my opinion is knowledge continue to educate your
        son ... that he'll accept himself for who he is inside ... give him
        history of your [as much as you can] ancestry-lineage.

        Explain to him how cruel people can be ''cause of skin color” ...
        let him know the ignorance is Alive and sometime
        in his life he'll be asked "Well - What are you?" ...
        and if he chooses to tell them and they will still assume what they want
        ... butttttttt! ... as long as he is comfortable with his inner self ...
        he will be ok ... they have the problem ... NOT HIM! [tell him]

        I wish I had someone to talk to me,[when I was younger] ...
        give me history etc. ... why my mother's skin is light bright.
        almost white! ... mine's brown ... why her hair was [not any
        more cause of gray] sandy ... mine black. [lol].why no one
        told me about the ignorance I would encounter [ as a child]
        ... when my mother took me into a store with another
        sister [light] ... and someone she knew said ''oh I
        didn't know that was your daughter! [ME] ... [gosh]

        I've gotten a tremendous amount of info, and help from GM ...

        I was doing some research before I joined the group, but
        they have opened a lot of avenues for me to continue

        ... and I'm constantly learning ... and eager to know more ...
        some of which is heart wrenching, but it's HISTORY and this
        information will go to my grands, hopefully passed on ...
        don't want ignorance nor the lack of knowledge hinder them

        I hope this will help them in how they perceive
        other People-of-Color ... or people period!
        I can honestly say I don't pre-judge ... I accept people
        for who they are ... can attribute some of this to my
        Indian grandmother ... the rest ... is Self taught.

        My history - ancestry - lineage is Mixed.........

        I'm assumed African American ..
        birth record reads ‘Colored’ and on occasion
        someone will ask "What are you?" ...

        I am A Generation-Mixed.


        Have a Good Sunday Evening Everyone


        Oh by the way Heather, I saw the same show [Oprah] ...
        I think one of the men Terrence Howard?
        The other one I can't remember.

         


        Heather Stimmel <heather21230@...> wrote:

        Let me properly introduce myself.

        My name is Heather and I'm a new member of GM.

        I'm really excited about being here
        and getting to know everyone!

        I posted previously, including information
        about myself and my family.

        Anyhow ... just wanted to say, "Hello"
        to everyone and comment on this post.

        First off, I thought the pictures were awful ... but, it is
        what it is- history (as sad and as graphic as it may seem).
        My first feeling was of sadness and anger ... sadness
        for what happened to Blacks and Mixed-Race people
        back then (even now!) and anger at so many Whites who
        were stupid enough and ignorant enough (and pathetic
        enough!!!) to ALLOW something like this to happen.

        That said, I totally agree with the writer/or
        producer of the intro and opening page of the site.
        They got it right on the money: if a word like the 'N' word was
        born out of hate and racism, why in the world would anyone want
        to use it ... for "slang" or as a greeting (or ANY reason)?????

        That has always been a question of mine.

        Unfortunately, my son (who, by the way, is a straight-A,
        GOOD KID=) has had the experience of already
        hearing this word from many, ignorant Whites.

        That saddens me, and makes me MAD.

        The thing is ... there is NO WAY I'd want him out there,
        on the streets (or anywhere else), saying the exact,
        same word (for so-called "leisure purposes???" ) that
        someone called him, because of the color of his skin ...
        because they are repulsed by the fact that my son isn't White!

        It's just as stupid for that to happen as what
        happened to minorities back in the 60's.

        I just can't fathom it.

        I remember, one day, watching an episode of Oprah (who I
        LOVE=) on T.V. and she had a famous, Black actor on there
        (can't remember his name, but can see his face plain-as-day= )
        and she asked him (as well as other actors and actresses
        who were on the show and in the same movie with this actor)
        what he thought about Black youth using the 'N' word.
        He said, "honestly," he felt it was O.K. for them to do it,
        because it was a "cultural thing" and they did it, not out
        of disrespect to any one person but, because it was being
        used as a "greeting" or like, "Hey, brother, what's up?"
        Oprah immediately said to this actor that she disagreed with
        him and that she believes if the youth (or anyone else of color)
        continues to use the word, that's just giving free reign to
        Whites and other racist people to use the word and not feel
        like it's bad, or has a negative connotation associated with it.

        That said, how many people-of-color would want a White
        person (who is racist, by the way) to call them the 'N' word?
        Not any that I know!!!

        It's one of those things (like racism) that needs to be "put out
        on the table" and discussed openly and honestly by all races,
        with the intention of everyone involved walking away having
        actually learned something and have changes of HEART.

        That's what it's all about.

        When we view each other as HUMAN AND PEOPLE
        who God put on this earth to love and appreciate,
        THEN things will begin to change.

        It's a heart-thing.

        If your heart is full of anger, resentment, vengeance
        and all other negative emotions, there's no room for
        things like openness, peace, love and forgiveness.
        A healing needs to take place and in order for that to
        happen, people of all races, nationalities, religions,
        etc. need to be open to the possibilities.
        If not, the world will stay the same, depressing, evil way it is.

        Don't get me wrong ... there are TONS of great people
        in the world- people willing to LISTEN, people willing
        to LOVE instead of hate, people willing to give each
        other a chance without malice and without judgment.

        I know plenty of them=) The people who aren't this way, though,
        are the ones who make it difficult to enjoy life for those of
        us who are sincere, and would like to see things change.

        I will step down from my soapbox here=)

        This is just something I feel very strongly about and wish, in my
        heart, would change the way people are and treat one another.

        Hope everyone's having a great weekend.

        We'll be going to our meeting ("church")
        soon, so I need to finish gettin' ready.

        Take care and God bless!!!!!

        Sincerely, Heather S.


      • phillymom35
        Rodney You re right ... it was Cheadle, on the show ... Ludacris, and most recently the rapper 50cent at odds with Oprah for derogative mentioning of women
        Message 3 of 17 , Dec 3, 2006
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          Rodney You're right ... it was Cheadle, on the show ...

          Ludacris, and most recently the rapper 50cent at odds
          with Oprah for derogative mentioning of women in their raps..


          Rodney Sam <rqs79@...> wrote:
          Hey, Heather. Welcome to Generation-Mixed.

          That particular OPRAH episode you speak of
          was about the actors from the movie "CRASH".
          The actor you are talking about is DON
          CHEADLE who starred in Hotel Rwanda.
          I saw that episode and remember hearing
          him justify the use of the N word.
          I was shocked and surprised
          by his acceptance of the word.
          He actually said that he was endearing for
          another Black person to address him like that.

          Figure that out.

          And I did check the website and totally
          agree with everything they said.

          Why would you use a word that came out
          of hate and contempt for your ancestors?

          Well, my ancestors, since,
          I am a person of color.
           

        • multiracialbookclub
          Hi Philly, Thank you for your posting!!!! [:)] What wonderful and kind words you have expressed about our GM family. Your posting is very encouraging [;;)]
          Message 4 of 17 , Dec 3, 2006
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            Hi Philly,

            Thank you for your posting!!!! :)

            What wonderful and kind words you
            have expressed about our GM family.

            Your posting is very encouraging ;;)

            Thanks again and have a wonderful day!!

            --M


            In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
            phillymom35 <phillymom35@...> wrote:



            Hello GM Fam' ...

            I'd like to welcome Heather to the Best Group [Generation-Mixed] ... EVER! ...

            I'm a "newbie" as well, they've made me feel totally at home
            here, perhaps because we all at sometime had [ still have]
            the same concerns, questions or perhaps in research

            maybe you were talking with a peer or trying to
            talk sensible with a family member only to realize
            they don't feel the way you do, so it falls on a deaf ear

            then GM's is the place for you ...
            here ... you won't be classed or categorized ...

            also I understand your concerns about your son, and rightfully so [how old?]
            that we've come this far, yet the mentality of others remains the same ...
            but the key in my opinion is knowledge continue to educate your
            son ... that he'll accept himself for who he is inside ... give him
            history of your [as much as you can] ancestry-lineage.

            Explain to him how cruel people can be ''cause of skin color" ...
            let him know the ignorance is Alive and sometime
            in his life he'll be asked "Well - What are you?" ...
            and if he chooses to tell them and they will still assume what they want
            ... butttttttt! ... as long as he is comfortable with his inner self ...
            he will be ok ... they have the problem ... NOT HIM! [tell him]

            I wish I had someone to talk to me,[when I was younger] ...
            give me history etc. ... why my mother's skin is light bright.
            almost white! ... mine's brown ... why her hair was [not any
            more cause of gray] sandy ... mine black. [lol].why no one
            told me about the ignorance I would encounter [ as a child]
            ... when my mother took me into a store with another
            sister [light] ... and someone she knew said ''oh I
            didn't know that was your daughter! [ME] ... [gosh]

            I've gotten a tremendous amount of info, and help from GM ...

            I was doing some research before I joined the group, but
            they have opened a lot of avenues for me to continue

            ... and I'm constantly learning ... and eager to know more ...
            some of which is heart wrenching, but it's HISTORY and this
            information will go to my grands, hopefully passed on ...
            don't want ignorance nor the lack of knowledge hinder them

            I hope this will help them in how they perceive
            other People-of-Color ... or people period!
            I can honestly say I don't pre-judge ... I accept people
            for who they are ... can attribute some of this to my
            Indian grandmother ... the rest ... is Self taught.

            My history - ancestry - lineage is Mixed.........

            I'm assumed African American ..
            birth record reads `Colored' and on occasion
            someone will ask "What are you?" ...

            I am A Generation-Mixed.


            Have a Good Sunday Evening Everyone


            Oh by the way Heather, I saw the same show [Oprah] ...
            I think one of the men Terrence Howard?
            The other one I can't remember.



            Heather Stimmel <heather21230@...> wrote:

            Let me properly introduce myself.

            My name is Heather and I'm a new member of GM.

            I'm really excited about being here
            and getting to know everyone!

            I posted previously, including information
            about myself and my family.

            Anyhow ... just wanted to say, "Hello"
            to everyone and comment on this post.

            First off, I thought the pictures were awful ... but, it is
            what it is- history (as sad and as graphic as it may seem).
            My first feeling was of sadness and anger ... sadness
            for what happened to Blacks and Mixed-Race people
            back then (even now!) and anger at so many Whites who
            were stupid enough and ignorant enough (and pathetic
            enough!!!) to ALLOW something like this to happen.

            That said, I totally agree with the writer/or
            producer of the intro and opening page of the site.
            They got it right on the money: if a word like the 'N' word was
            born out of hate and racism, why in the world would anyone want
            to use it ... for "slang" or as a greeting (or ANY reason)?????

            That has always been a question of mine.

            Unfortunately, my son (who, by the way, is a straight-A,
            GOOD KID=) has had the experience of already
            hearing this word from many, ignorant Whites.

            That saddens me, and makes me MAD.

            The thing is ... there is NO WAY I'd want him out there,
            on the streets (or anywhere else), saying the exact,
            same word (for so-called "leisure purposes???" ) that
            someone called him, because of the color of his skin ...
            because they are repulsed by the fact that my son isn't White!

            It's just as stupid for that to happen as what
            happened to minorities back in the 60's.

            I just can't fathom it.

            I remember, one day, watching an episode of Oprah (who I
            LOVE=) on T.V. and she had a famous, Black actor on there
            (can't remember his name, but can see his face plain-as-day= )
            and she asked him (as well as other actors and actresses
            who were on the show and in the same movie with this actor)
            what he thought about Black youth using the 'N' word.
            He said, "honestly," he felt it was O.K. for them to do it,
            because it was a "cultural thing" and they did it, not out
            of disrespect to any one person but, because it was being
            used as a "greeting" or like, "Hey, brother, what's up?"
            Oprah immediately said to this actor that she disagreed with
            him and that she believes if the youth (or anyone else of color)
            continues to use the word, that's just giving free reign to
            Whites and other racist people to use the word and not feel
            like it's bad, or has a negative connotation associated with it.

            That said, how many people-of-color would want a White
            person (who is racist, by the way) to call them the 'N' word?
            Not any that I know!!!

            It's one of those things (like racism) that needs to be "put out
            on the table" and discussed openly and honestly by all races,
            with the intention of everyone involved walking away having
            actually learned something and have changes of HEART.

            That's what it's all about.

            When we view each other as HUMAN AND PEOPLE
            who God put on this earth to love and appreciate,
            THEN things will begin to change.

            It's a heart-thing.

            If your heart is full of anger, resentment, vengeance
            and all other negative emotions, there's no room for
            things like openness, peace, love and forgiveness.
            A healing needs to take place and in order for that to
            happen, people of all races, nationalities, religions,
            etc. need to be open to the possibilities.
            If not, the world will stay the same, depressing, evil way it is.

            Don't get me wrong ... there are TONS of great people
            in the world- people willing to LISTEN, people willing
            to LOVE instead of hate, people willing to give each
            other a chance without malice and without judgment.

            I know plenty of them=) The people who aren't this way, though,
            are the ones who make it difficult to enjoy life for those of
            us who are sincere, and would like to see things change.

            I will step down from my soapbox here=)

            This is just something I feel very strongly about and wish, in my
            heart, would change the way people are and treat one another.

            Hope everyone's having a great weekend.

            We'll be going to our meeting ("church")
            soon, so I need to finish gettin' ready.

            Take care and God bless!!!!!

            Sincerely, Heather S.
          • phillymom35
            lolol..ok Lynne I m speaking of myself ... so help me out here ... Black flower - White flower ... Grey? ... Right? No ... wait a minute, let me try this,
            Message 5 of 17 , Dec 3, 2006
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              lolol..ok Lynne I'm speaking of myself ... so help me out
              here ... Black flower - White flower ... Grey? ... Right?
              No ... wait a minute, let me try this, black ,white and red
              or black, white and [reddish] brown... [Cinnamon? LOL Yep
              I'm being silly right now [literally laughin out loud] but
              a little silliness, harmless humor and laughter is to the
              soul what chicken soup is to a cold.......ok ....
              just had some extra time on my hands..lol

              Have a good night and a great day tom...

                

              tlbaker1 <tlbaker1@...> wrote:
              Welcome, Heather!

              Philly you "sound" like me with the 'why is my
              mother's skin so light and the rest of her family'.
              I knew where my caramel skin came from because
              of my father - like biology - white flower and
              red flower produces pink flower offspring.
              I just adore biology and genetics - always have.
              Lynne

              From: Generation-Mixed@ yahoogroups. com
              [mailto: Generation-Mixed@ yahoogroups. com ]
              On Behalf Of
              phillymom35
              Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 7:30 PM
              To: Generation-Mixed@ yahoogroups. com
              Subject: [Generation- Mixed] Re:Abolish the N word
              Hello GM Fam' ...

              I'd like to welcome Heather to the Best Group [Generation- Mixed] ... EVER! ...

              I'm a "newbie" as well, they've made me feel totally at home
              here,
              perhaps because we all at sometime had [ still have]
              the same concerns, questions or perhaps in research

              maybe you were talking with a peer or trying to
              talk sensible with a family member only to realize
              they don't feel the way you do, so it falls on a deaf ear

              then GM's is the place for you ...
              here ... you won't be classed or categorized ...

              also I understand your concerns about your son, and rightfully so [how old?]
              that we've come this far, yet the mentality of others remains the same ...
              but the key in my opinion is knowledge continue to educate your
              son ... that he'll accept himself for who he is inside ... give him
              history of your [as much as you can] ancestry-lineage.

              Explain to him how cruel people can be ''cause of skin color” ...
              let him know the ignorance is Alive and sometime
              in his life he'll be asked "Well - What are you?" ...
              and if he chooses to tell them and they will still assume what they want
              ... butttttttt! ... as long as he is comfortable with his inner self ...
              he will be ok ... they have the problem ... NOT HIM! [tell him]

              I wish I had someone to talk to me,[when I was younger] ...
              give me history etc. ... why my mother's skin is light bright.
              almost white! ... mine's brown ... why her hair was [not any
              more cause of gray] sandy ... mine black. [lol].why no one
              told me about the ignorance I would encounter [ as a child]
              ... when my mother took me into a store with another
              sister [light] ... and someone she knew said ''oh I
              didn't know that was your daughter! [ME] ... [gosh]

              I've gotten a tremendous amount of info, and help from GM ...

              I was doing some research before I joined the group, but
              they have opened a lot of avenues for me to continue

              ... and I'm constantly learning ... and eager to know more ...

              some of which is heart wrenching, but it's HISTORY and this
              information will go to my grands, hopefully passed on ...
              don't want ignorance nor the lack of knowledge hinder them

              I hope this will help them in how they perceive
              other People-of-Color ... or people period!
              I can honestly say I don't pre-judge ... I accept people
              for who they are ... can attribute some of this to my
              Indian grandmother ... the rest ... is Self taught.

              My history - ancestry - lineage is Mixed....... ..

              I'm assumed African American ..
              birth record reads ‘Colored’ and on occasion
              someone will ask "What are you?" ...

              I am A Generation-Mixed.


              Have a Good Sunday Evening Everyone


              Oh by the way Heather, I saw the same show [Oprah] ...
              I think one of the men Terrence Howard?
              The other one I can't remember.


              Heather Stimmel <heather21230@ yahoo.com> wrote:


              Let me properly introduce myself.

              My name is Heather and I'm a new member of GM.

              I'm really excited about being here
              and getting to know everyone!

              I posted previously, including information
              about myself and my family.

              Anyhow ... just wanted to say, "Hello"
              to everyone and comment on this post.

              First off, I thought the pictures were awful ... but, it is
              what it is- history (as sad and as graphic as it may seem).
              My first feeling was of sadness and anger ... sadness
              for what happened to Blacks and Mixed-Race people
              back then (even now!) and anger at so many Whites who
              were stupid enough and ignorant enough (and pathetic
              enough!!!) to ALLOW something like this to happen.

              That said, I totally agree with the writer/or
              producer of the intro and opening page of the site.
              They got it right on the money: if a word like the 'N' word was
              born out of hate and racism, why in the world would anyone want
              to use it ... for "slang" or as a greeting (or ANY reason)?????

              That has always been a question of mine.

              Unfortunately, my son (who, by the way, is a straight-A,
              GOOD KID=) has had the experience of already
              hearing this word from many, ignorant Whites.

              That saddens me, and makes me MAD.

              The thing is ... there is NO WAY I'd want him out there,
              on the streets (or anywhere else), saying the exact,
              same word (for so-called "leisure purposes???" ) that
              someone called him, because of the color of his skin ...
              because they are repulsed by the fact that my son isn't White!

              It's just as stupid for that to happen as what
              happened to minorities back in the 60's.

              I just can't fathom it.

              I remember, one day, watching an episode of Oprah (who I
              LOVE=) on T.V. and she had a famous, Black actor on there
              (can't remember his name, but can see his face plain-as-day= )
              and she asked him (as well as other actors and actresses
              who were on the show and in the same movie with this actor)
              what he thought about Black youth using the 'N' word.
              He said, "honestly," he felt it was O.K. for them to do it,
              because it was a "cultural thing" and they did it, not out
              of disrespect to any one person but, because it was being
              used as a "greeting" or like, "Hey, brother, what's up?"
              Oprah immediately said to this actor that she disagreed with
              him and that she believes if the youth (or anyone else of color)
              continues to use the word, that's just giving free reign to
              Whites and other racist people to use the word and not feel
              like it's bad, or has a negative connotation associated with it.

              That said, how many people-of-color would want a White
              person (who is racist, by the way) to call them the 'N' word?
              Not any that I know!!!

              It's one of those things (like racism) that needs to be "put out
              on the table" and discussed openly and honestly by all races,
              with the intention of everyone involved walking away having
              actually learned something and have changes of HEART.

              That's what it's all about.

              When we view each other as HUMAN AND PEOPLE
              who God put on this earth to love and appreciate,
              THEN things will begin to change.

              It's a heart-thing.

              If your heart is full of anger, resentment, vengeance
              and all other negative emotions, there's no room for
              things like openness, peace, love and forgiveness.
              A healing needs to take place and in order for that to
              happen, people of all races, nationalities, religions,
              etc. need to be open to the possibilities.
              If not, the world will stay the same, depressing, evil way it is.

              Don't get me wrong ... there are TONS of great people
              in the world- people willing to LISTEN, people willing
              to LOVE instead of hate, people willing to give each
              other a chance without malice and without judgment.

              I know plenty of them=) The people who aren't this way, though,
              are the ones who make it difficult to enjoy life for those of
              us who are sincere, and would like to see things change.

              I will step down from my soapbox here=)

              This is just something I feel very strongly about and wish, in my
              heart, would change the way people are and treat one another.

              Hope everyone's having a great weekend.

              We'll be going to our meeting ("church")
              soon, so I need to finish gettin' ready.

              Take care and God bless!!!!!

              Sincerely, Heather S.


            • phillymom35
              You re welcome Multi, Anytime !!!!!!! ... you [GM] all have wonderful advice and posts still reading a lot of them ... so thank you too! multiracialbookclub
              Message 6 of 17 , Dec 4, 2006
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                You're welcome Multi, Anytime!!!!!!!

                ... you [GM] all have wonderful advice and posts
                still reading a lot of them...

                so thank you too!


                multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:
                Hi Philly,

                Thank you for your posting!!!! :)

                What wonderful and kind words you
                have expressed about our GM family.

                Your posting is very encouraging ;;)

                Thanks again and have a wonderful day!!

                --M


                In Generation-Mixed@ yahoogroups. com,
                phillymom35 <phillymom35@ ...> wrote:



                Hello GM Fam' ...

                I'd like to welcome Heather to the Best Group [Generation- Mixed] ... EVER! ...

                I'm a "newbie" as well, they've made me feel totally at home
                here, perhaps because we all at sometime had [ still have]
                the same concerns, questions or perhaps in research

                maybe you were talking with a peer or trying to
                talk sensible with a family member only to realize
                they don't feel the way you do, so it falls on a deaf ear

                then GM's is the place for you ...
                here ... you won't be classed or categorized ...

                also I understand your concerns about your son, and rightfully so [how old?]
                that we've come this far, yet the mentality of others remains the same ...
                but the key in my opinion is knowledge continue to educate your
                son ... that he'll accept himself for who he is inside ... give him
                history of your [as much as you can] ancestry-lineage.

                Explain to him how cruel people can be ''cause of skin color" ...
                let him know the ignorance is Alive and sometime
                in his life he'll be asked "Well - What are you?" ...
                and if he chooses to tell them and they will still assume what they want
                ... butttttttt! ... as long as he is comfortable with his inner self ...
                he will be ok ... they have the problem ... NOT HIM! [tell him]

                I wish I had someone to talk to me,[when I was younger] ...
                give me history etc. ... why my mother's skin is light bright.
                almost white! ... mine's brown ... why her hair was [not any
                more cause of gray] sandy ... mine black. [lol].why no one
                told me about the ignorance I would encounter [ as a child]
                ... when my mother took me into a store with another
                sister [light] ... and someone she knew said ''oh I
                didn't know that was your daughter! [ME] ... [gosh]

                I've gotten a tremendous amount of info, and help from GM ...

                I was doing some research before I joined the group, but
                they have opened a lot of avenues for me to continue

                ... and I'm constantly learning ... and eager to know more ...
                some of which is heart wrenching, but it's HISTORY and this
                information will go to my grands, hopefully passed on ...
                don't want ignorance nor the lack of knowledge hinder them

                I hope this will help them in how they perceive
                other People-of-Color ... or people period!
                I can honestly say I don't pre-judge ... I accept people
                for who they are ... can attribute some of this to my
                Indian grandmother ... the rest ... is Self taught.

                My history - ancestry - lineage is Mixed....... ..

                I'm assumed African American ..
                birth record reads `Colored' and on occasion
                someone will ask "What are you?" ...

                I am A Generation-Mixed.


                Have a Good Sunday Evening Everyone


                Oh by the way Heather, I saw the same show [Oprah] ...
                I think one of the men Terrence Howard?
                The other one I can't remember.


                Heather Stimmel <heather21230@ yahoo.com> wrote:

                Let me properly introduce myself.

                My name is Heather and I'm a new member of GM.

                I'm really excited about being here
                and getting to know everyone!

                I posted previously, including information
                about myself and my family.

                Anyhow ... just wanted to say, "Hello"
                to everyone and comment on this post.

                First off, I thought the pictures were awful ... but, it is
                what it is- history (as sad and as graphic as it may seem).
                My first feeling was of sadness and anger ... sadness
                for what happened to Blacks and Mixed-Race people
                back then (even now!) and anger at so many Whites who
                were stupid enough and ignorant enough (and pathetic
                enough!!!) to ALLOW something like this to happen.

                That said, I totally agree with the writer/or
                producer of the intro and opening page of the site.
                They got it right on the money: if a word like the 'N' word was
                born out of hate and racism, why in the world would anyone want
                to use it ... for "slang" or as a greeting (or ANY reason)?????

                That has always been a question of mine.

                Unfortunately, my son (who, by the way, is a straight-A,
                GOOD KID=) has had the experience of already
                hearing this word from many, ignorant Whites.

                That saddens me, and makes me MAD.

                The thing is ... there is NO WAY I'd want him out there,
                on the streets (or anywhere else), saying the exact,
                same word (for so-called "leisure purposes???" ) that
                someone called him, because of the color of his skin ...
                because they are repulsed by the fact that my son isn't White!

                It's just as stupid for that to happen as what
                happened to minorities back in the 60's.

                I just can't fathom it.

                I remember, one day, watching an episode of Oprah (who I
                LOVE=) on T.V. and she had a famous, Black actor on there
                (can't remember his name, but can see his face plain-as-day= )
                and she asked him (as well as other actors and actresses
                who were on the show and in the same movie with this actor)
                what he thought about Black youth using the 'N' word.
                He said, "honestly," he felt it was O.K. for them to do it,
                because it was a "cultural thing" and they did it, not out
                of disrespect to any one person but, because it was being
                used as a "greeting" or like, "Hey, brother, what's up?"
                Oprah immediately said to this actor that she disagreed with
                him and that she believes if the youth (or anyone else of color)
                continues to use the word, that's just giving free reign to
                Whites and other racist people to use the word and not feel
                like it's bad, or has a negative connotation associated with it.

                That said, how many people-of-color would want a White
                person (who is racist, by the way) to call them the 'N' word?
                Not any that I know!!!

                It's one of those things (like racism) that needs to be "put out
                on the table" and discussed openly and honestly by all races,
                with the intention of everyone involved walking away having
                actually learned something and have changes of HEART.

                That's what it's all about.

                When we view each other as HUMAN AND PEOPLE
                who God put on this earth to love and appreciate,
                THEN things will begin to change.

                It's a heart-thing.

                If your heart is full of anger, resentment, vengeance
                and all other negative emotions, there's no room for
                things like openness, peace, love and forgiveness.
                A healing needs to take place and in order for that to
                happen, people of all races, nationalities, religions,
                etc. need to be open to the possibilities.
                If not, the world will stay the same, depressing, evil way it is.

                Don't get me wrong ... there are TONS of great people
                in the world- people willing to LISTEN, people willing
                to LOVE instead of hate, people willing to give each
                other a chance without malice and without judgment.

                I know plenty of them=) The people who aren't this way, though,
                are the ones who make it difficult to enjoy life for those of
                us who are sincere, and would like to see things change.

                I will step down from my soapbox here=)

                This is just something I feel very strongly about and wish, in my
                heart, would change the way people are and treat one another.

                Hope everyone's having a great weekend.

                We'll be going to our meeting ("church")
                soon, so I need to finish gettin' ready.

                Take care and God bless!!!!!

                Sincerely, Heather S.


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              • tlbaker1
                LOLOLOL, just remembering my biology class in high school... Lynne _____ From: Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com] On
                Message 7 of 17 , Dec 4, 2006
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                  LOLOLOL, just remembering my biology class in high school...

                   

                  Lynne

                   


                  From: Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com
                  [mailto: Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com ]
                  On Behalf Of
                  phillymom35
                  Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 11:51 PM
                  To: Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: [Generation-Mixed] Re: Abolish the N word

                   

                  lolol..ok Lynne I'm speaking of myself ... so help me out
                  here ... Black flower - White flower ... Grey? ... Right?
                  No ... wait a minute, let me try this, black ,white and red
                  or black, white and [reddish] brown... [Cinnamon? LOL Yep
                  I'm being silly right now [literally laughin out loud] but
                  a little silliness, harmless humor and laughter is to the
                  soul what chicken soup is to a cold.......ok ....
                  just had some extra time on my hands..lol

                  Have a good night and a great day tom...

                    

                  tlbaker1 <tlbaker1@...> wrote:

                  Welcome, Heather!

                  Philly you "sound" like me with the 'why is my
                  mother's skin so light and the rest of her family'.
                  I knew where my caramel skin came from because
                  of my father - like biology - white flower and
                  red flower produces pink flower offspring.
                  I just adore biology and genetics - always have.

                  Lynne


                  From: Generation-Mixed@ yahoogroups. com
                  [mailto: Generation-Mixed@ yahoogroups. com ]
                  On Behalf Of
                  phillymom35
                  Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 7:30 PM
                  To: Generation-Mixed@ yahoogroups. com
                  Subject: [Generation- Mixed] Re:Abolish the N word

                  Hello GM Fam' ...

                  I'd like to welcome Heather to the Best Group [Generation- Mixed] ... EVER! ...

                  I'm a "newbie" as well, they've made me feel totally at home
                  here,
                  perhaps because we all at sometime had [ still have]
                  the same concerns, questions or perhaps in research

                  maybe you were talking with a peer or trying to
                  talk sensible with a family member only to realize
                  they don't feel the way you do, so it falls on a deaf ear

                  then GM's is the place for you ...
                  here ... you won't be classed or categorized ...

                  also I understand your concerns about your son, and rightfully so [how old?]
                  that we've come this far, yet the mentality of others remains the same ...
                  but the key in my opinion is knowledge continue to educate your
                  son ... that he'll accept himself for who he is inside ... give him
                  history of your [as much as you can] ancestry-lineage.

                  Explain to him how cruel people can be ''cause of skin color” ...
                  let him know the ignorance is Alive and sometime
                  in his life he'll be asked "Well - What are you?" ...
                  and if he chooses to tell them and they will still assume what they want
                  ... butttttttt! ... as long as he is comfortable with his inner self ...
                  he will be ok ... they have the problem ... NOT HIM! [tell him]

                  I wish I had someone to talk to me,[when I was younger] ...
                  give me history etc. ... why my mother's skin is light bright.
                  almost white! ... mine's brown ... why her hair was [not any
                  more cause of gray] sandy ... mine black. [lol].why no one
                  told me about the ignorance I would encounter [ as a child]
                  ... when my mother took me into a store with another
                  sister [light] ... and someone she knew said ''oh I
                  didn't know that was your daughter! [ME] ... [gosh]

                  I've gotten a tremendous amount of info, and help from GM ...

                  I was doing some research before I joined the group, but
                  they have opened a lot of avenues for me to continue

                  ... and I'm constantly learning ... and eager to know more ...

                  some of which is heart wrenching, but it's HISTORY and this
                  information will go to my grands, hopefully passed on ...
                  don't want ignorance nor the lack of knowledge hinder them

                  I hope this will help them in how they perceive
                  other People-of-Color ... or people period!
                  I can honestly say I don't pre-judge ... I accept people
                  for who they are ... can attribute some of this to my
                  Indian grandmother ... the rest ... is Self taught.

                  My history - ancestry - lineage is Mixed....... ..

                  I'm assumed African American ..
                  birth record reads ‘Colored’ and on occasion
                  someone will ask "What are you?" ...

                  I am A Generation-Mixed.


                  Have a Good Sunday Evening Everyone


                  Oh by the way Heather, I saw the same show [Oprah] ...
                  I think one of the men Terrence Howard?
                  The other one I can't remember.



                  Heather Stimmel <heather21230@ yahoo.com> wrote:




                  Let me properly introduce myself.

                  My name is Heather and I'm a new member of GM.

                  I'm really excited about being here
                  and getting to know everyone!

                  I posted previously, including information
                  about myself and my family.

                  Anyhow ... just wanted to say, "Hello"
                  to everyone and comment on this post.

                  First off, I thought the pictures were awful ... but, it is
                  what it is- history (as sad and as graphic as it may seem).
                  My first feeling was of sadness and anger ... sadness
                  for what happened to Blacks and Mixed-Race people
                  back then (even now!) and anger at so many Whites who
                  were stupid enough and ignorant enough (and pathetic
                  enough!!!) to ALLOW something like this to happen.

                  That said, I totally agree with the writer/or
                  producer of the intro and opening page of the site.
                  They got it right on the money: if a word like the 'N' word was
                  born out of hate and racism, why in the world would anyone want
                  to use it ... for "slang" or as a greeting (or ANY reason)?????

                  That has always been a question of mine.

                  Unfortunately, my son (who, by the way, is a straight-A,
                  GOOD KID=) has had the experience of already
                  hearing this word from many, ignorant Whites.

                  That saddens me, and makes me MAD.

                  The thing is ... there is NO WAY I'd want him out there,
                  on the streets (or anywhere else), saying the exact,
                  same word (for so-called "leisure purposes???" ) that
                  someone called him, because of the color of his skin ...
                  because they are repulsed by the fact that my son isn't White!

                  It's just as stupid for that to happen as what
                  happened to minorities back in the 60's.

                  I just can't fathom it.

                  I remember, one day, watching an episode of Oprah (who I
                  LOVE=) on T.V. and she had a famous, Black actor on there
                  (can't remember his name, but can see his face plain-as-day= )
                  and she asked him (as well as other actors and actresses
                  who were on the show and in the same movie with this actor)
                  what he thought about Black youth using the 'N' word.
                  He said, "honestly," he felt it was O.K. for them to do it,
                  because it was a "cultural thing" and they did it, not out
                  of disrespect to any one person but, because it was being
                  used as a "greeting" or like, "Hey, brother, what's up?"
                  Oprah immediately said to this actor that she disagreed with
                  him and that she believes if the youth (or anyone else of color)
                  continues to use the word, that's just giving free reign to
                  Whites and other racist people to use the word and not feel
                  like it's bad, or has a negative connotation associated with it.

                  That said, how many people-of-color would want a White
                  person (who is racist, by the way) to call them the 'N' word?
                  Not any that I know!!!

                  It's one of those things (like racism) that needs to be "put out
                  on the table" and discussed openly and honestly by all races,
                  with the intention of everyone involved walking away having
                  actually learned something and have changes of HEART.

                  That's what it's all about.

                  When we view each other as HUMAN AND PEOPLE
                  who God put on this earth to love and appreciate,
                  THEN things will begin to change.

                  It's a heart-thing.

                  If your heart is full of anger, resentment, vengeance
                  and all other negative emotions, there's no room for
                  things like openness, peace, love and forgiveness.
                  A healing needs to take place and in order for that to
                  happen, people of all races, nationalities, religions,
                  etc. need to be open to the possibilities.
                  If not, the world will stay the same, depressing, evil way it is.

                  Don't get me wrong ... there are TONS of great people
                  in the world- people willing to LISTEN, people willing
                  to LOVE instead of hate, people willing to give each
                  other a chance without malice and without judgment.

                  I know plenty of them=) The people who aren't this way, though,
                  are the ones who make it difficult to enjoy life for those of
                  us who are sincere, and would like to see things change.

                  I will step down from my soapbox here=)

                  This is just something I feel very strongly about and wish, in my
                  heart, would change the way people are and treat one another.

                  Hope everyone's having a great weekend.

                  We'll be going to our meeting ("church")
                  soon, so I need to finish gettin' ready.

                  Take care and God bless!!!!!

                  Sincerely, Heather S.




                • moltenlava_cat
                  Well actually you re both right to an extent. Terrence Howard, Ludacris and Don Cheadle were on the show. But Don Cheadle was siding with Oprah saying he was
                  Message 8 of 17 , Dec 7, 2006
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                    Well actually you're both right to an extent.
                    Terrence Howard, Ludacris and Don Cheadle were on the show.
                    But Don Cheadle was siding with Oprah saying he was
                    against the use, while Terrence Howard stated he
                    had no problem as long as AAs used the n-word.
                    Ludacris repeatedly tried to defend his support of
                    using the word as a way of people coming together,
                    turning the negative into the positive.

                    Although, I may be wrong about all of this.
                    I doubt some people (Oprah included) would just stand by
                    as Don Cheadle accepted the use of the word by anyone.
                    Taking into consideration, one of his recents films, Hotel Rwanda.



                    In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                    phillymom35 <phillymom35@...> wrote:



                    Rodney You're right ... it was Cheadle, on the show ...

                    Ludacris, and most recently the rapper 50cent at odds
                    with Oprah for derogative mentioning of women in their raps.



                    Rodney Sam <rqs79@...> wrote:



                    Hey, Heather. Welcome to Generation-Mixed.

                    That particular OPRAH episode you speak of
                    was about the actors from the movie "CRASH".
                    The actor you are talking about is DON
                    CHEADLE who starred in Hotel Rwanda.
                    I saw that episode and remember hearing
                    him justify the use of the N word.
                    I was shocked and surprised
                    by his acceptance of the word.
                    He actually said that he was endearing for
                    another Black person to address him like that.

                    Figure that out.

                    And I did check the website and totally
                    agree with everything they said.

                    Why would you use a word that came out
                    of hate and contempt for your ancestors?

                    Well, my ancestors, since,
                    I am a person of color.


                    Rodney

                    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1250
                    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1241
                    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1299
                    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1448
                  • Heather Stimmel
                    Yes... I remember now! That is the way it went. I stand corrected. Heather Related Link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/2058
                    Message 9 of 17 , Dec 8, 2006
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                      Yes... I remember now! That is the way it went. I stand corrected.
                      Heather

                      Related Link:
                      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/2058
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